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Bush or Kerry? Why?

Why isn't 'neither' an option?

Didnt think about that..... :(

It's also multiple guess...

yeah i know

not that ive ever voted for a republican but

bush scares me. i always thought it was a good idea to change out parties at the top to kinda balance things out

boy was i wrong

kerry doesnt have alot of personality but he seems to be a reasonably good man who holds good democratic ideas. besides, with a republican congress his most liberal ideas wont get passed anyway, leaving just the stuff that everyone agrees on to get passed.

A forum full of HUNDREDS of politically minded people. I have yet to see a Bush/Kerry/BADNARIK thread. Wow. fucking incredible.

A forum full of HUNDREDS of politically minded people. I have yet to see a Bush/Kerry/BADNARIK thread. Wow. fucking incredible.

Thats because no one cares about the other guys. They always go for the two biggest candidates.

Which party is Badnarik? Libertarian, correct?

Thats because no one cares about the other guys. They always go for the two biggest candidates.

I do. I'm voting for Peroutka (Constitution Party).

very correct.

very correct.

Thanks.

All I know is I'm NOT voting for President Bush.

No seriously how many people have actually heard about the other candidates. I always listen to things that involve polictics and i cant even tell you the other people running.

All I know is I'm NOT voting for President Bush.

Whats your reason??

All I know is I'm NOT voting for President Bush.

Agreed.

A forum full of HUNDREDS of politically minded people. I have yet to see a Bush/Kerry/BADNARIK thread. Wow. fucking incredible.
I agree
Incidentally, Badnarik
and I have to claim ignorance of the other candidates, although I've come across pretty much all of them while doing my LP research...Seems to me that if someone was going to make this thread, instead of just giving the same options AGAIN, they'd take a second to see who is running for major 3rd parties and include them...
Otherwise it seems pretty pointless.

No seriously how many people have actually heard about the other candidates. I always listen to things that involve polictics and i cant even tell you the other people running.

badnarik is for libertarian party. ive not heard about the other parties either, actually.

I don't think I care much for any of the candidates, but I had to pick someone to vote against, and that is going to be Bush. Yes, I know. The rule is, "always vote for the incumbent so that you're not paying for his retirement.", but I have to say, I don't want him in office. There have been better presidents, and maybe we need to give someone else a chance to fuck it up, but good. I can't say I'm overly impressed with Kerry, but he seems to be the only one with half a chance of ousting Bush.

No seriously how many people have actually heard about the other candidates. I always listen to things that involve polictics and i cant even tell you the other people running.
anyone who really cares about how their country is run should look into the other candidates (unless you just really agree at least 90% or so with one of the two major parties)

edit: I'm not necessarily saying you should vote for a 3rd party, but ignorance is no excuse.
Also, the libertarian party has been getting pretty good press coverage this year. The Libertarian National Convention was on CNN. You're obviously not trying too hard to find anything out.

I agree
Incidentally, Badnarik
and I have to claim ignorance of the other candidates, although I've come across pretty much all of them while doing my LP research...Seems to me that if someone was going to make this thread, instead of just giving the same options AGAIN, they'd take a second to see who is running for major 3rd parties and include them...
Otherwise it seems pretty pointless.

/me ponts to the "*GASP!* libertarians are running for president?" thread i jut made.

I can't vote :mp5:

what is Kerry going to do that makes him so great? I havent heard anything about him i like.

I can't vote :mp5:
neither can i. i have to wait till im 19 to have any say in the laws i must obey :/

what is Kerry going to do that makes him so great? I havent heard anything about him i like.

Agreed.

The only thing i've heard from Kerry are lies.

The only thing i've heard from Kerry are lies.

Once again, agreed.

I mean Kerry said he voted against a bill that involved our troops then later when he saw everyone else liked it he said he voted for it. Yeah i really want him for president...

I just dont know why someone would want to vote for Kerry

I'd vote for Kerry simply to get rid of Bush. Not because I particularly like Kerry, but because I see him as having a chance, and I like Bush even less than I like him.

But why get rid of Bush? What has he been doing that make you want to get rid of him?

badnarik is for libertarian party. ive not heard about the other parties either, actually.
Will he end the War?...will bring the boys home?

Well, for one thing, I think he smoke-screens a lot to avoid dealing with issues like the economy, which has suffered during his incumbency. Then he condones riders on bills which erode rights which americans should be protecting, but we're being treated as if we're not mentally competent to decide for ourselves what we want, and live with the consequences, good or bad. Oh, and he tends to gut environmental acts and then rename them. I think he panders to the religious right, as well, not because he agrees with them, but because he knows that he can use their backing as a powerful lobbying group.

Not that I think Kerry will be that much better, but I'd like to give him a chance. I just think that the Bush presidency has had its four years, and it's not working.

I don't think Bush has been phenomenally worse than any previous president, don't get me wrong. I tend to think of all politicians as being unfit for the job by dint of wanting it. I also see them as being something of an organized crime outfit, democrat and republican alike.

If I was voting age, then Kerry.

I'd vote for Kerry simply to get rid of Bush. Not because I particularly like Kerry, but because I see him as having a chance, and I like Bush even less than I like him.

Well, that's what the Germans did in the early 30's. They were so incredibly desperate for a new leader, ANY new leader, that they elected Hitler.

Bush couldn't really do anything about the economy, because the WTC. Clinton said he knew about the planne attacks yet did nothing. Actually the economy is getting stonger.

Strengthening the Economy

"The economy is strong and getting stronger. The President’s pro-growth policies have helped drive the economy and move the recovery forward, putting more money in the pockets of America’s families and laying a foundation for robust growth and job creation now and for years to come.



GDP grew by more than 5 percent over the last three quarters, the fastest rate of growth in nearly two decades.
Productivity grew at the fastest 3-year rate in more than 50 years.
Providing bold and active leadership to end the recession and helping people find work – From 2000 to 2003, America’s economy experienced an unprecedented combination of shocks: the stock market bubble bursting; an economic recession; the terrorist attacks of September 11th and subsequent War on Terror including the war in Iraq; and the discovery of corporate accounting scandals, years in the making, that undermined confidence in corporate America. President Bush acted promptly and aggressively to address these shocks.

Creating Jobs – The President acted decisively to help create jobs and get Americans back to work. Just one year after the President signed the Jobs & Growth bill, there is widespread evidence his policies have worked.

Raising America’s standard of living – The President’s economic policies have allowed Americans to weather the stock market bubble, the recession, the terrorist attacks, and the corporate scandals, and have resulted in higher incomes and living standards for American workers."

Well, that's what the Germans did in the early 30's. They were so incredibly desperate for a new leader, ANY new leader, that they elected Hitler.


I understand that, but I think we're at a bit of an impasse. Which is really the lesser of the two evils? I'd like to think that we'd stop any budding Hitler in his tracks, but I've been watching our rights being taken by means of attrition, and maybe we don't care enough. Perhaps we always get the leader we deserve.

Bush couldn't really do anything about the economy, because the WTC. Clinton said he knew about the planne attacks yet did nothing. Actually the economy is getting stonger.

Strengthening the Economy

"The economy is strong and getting stronger. The President’s pro-growth policies have helped drive the economy and move the recovery forward, putting more money in the pockets of America’s families and laying a foundation for robust growth and job creation now and for years to come.



GDP grew by more than 5 percent over the last three quarters, the fastest rate of growth in nearly two decades.
Productivity grew at the fastest 3-year rate in more than 50 years.
Providing bold and active leadership to end the recession and helping people find work – From 2000 to 2003, America’s economy experienced an unprecedented combination of shocks: the stock market bubble bursting; an economic recession; the terrorist attacks of September 11th and subsequent War on Terror including the war in Iraq; and the discovery of corporate accounting scandals, years in the making, that undermined confidence in corporate America. President Bush acted promptly and aggressively to address these shocks.

Creating Jobs – The President acted decisively to help create jobs and get Americans back to work. Just one year after the President signed the Jobs & Growth bill, there is widespread evidence his policies have worked.

Raising America’s standard of living – The President’s economic policies have allowed Americans to weather the stock market bubble, the recession, the terrorist attacks, and the corporate scandals, and have resulted in higher incomes and living standards for American workers."


Compare the growth statistics for the GDP with the figures for the deficit. We aren't exactly in the black since he took office.

I understand that, but I think we're at a bit of an impasse. Which is really the lesser of the two evils? I'd like to think that we'd stop any budding Hitler in his tracks, but I've been watching our rights being taken by means of attrition, and maybe we don't care enough. Perhaps we always get the leader we deserve.

True. By the way, if you took the comparison to the 30's Germans as an insult (I weren't implying you liked Hitler or anything, though), I apologize.

Oh, I didn't take that as an insult at all. I saw what you were getting at with the comparison. I also see a lot of the same mindset here that allowed Hitler's election to take place then. I worry, but frankly, I know that life goes on, and eventually nature strives to reinstate common sense and balance. Of course, it's going to have to work hard to do that from where we're at at present.

If you really think about it Bush couldnt do anything about the WTC making the ecomomy drop. It is Americans who made the economy drop. There are the people who wont go on planes anymore because they think they are going to get hijacked, making the airline fire people because they cant support them all.

Oh, it's not just the WTC that hurt the airlines. The problem was compounded when the price of gas rose.

I personally think that Bush is in the position that many roman emperors found themselves in. The price of grain was causing a famine, so they released grain from imperial storehouses, with a fixed price within reach of the common man...and opportunists bought it up and raised the price again.

I just don't think he's equipped to deal with the problem. I'd like to give someone else a chance. It's not entirely his fault that he's in this position, but the way he's dealing with it might make it a lot worse if we give him the time to do it. I don't see him solving our problems. I'm not looking at his personality when I say that I just don't think he's capable of carrying out any effective policy in office.