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I just found out that John Kerry's father is a Jew! Kerry's paternal grandparents came from Austria and picked the name Kerry by dropping a pen on a map of Europe and hitting County Kerry, Ireland. They converted to Catholicism, but still ...

We're about to elect not only the second Catholic President, but the first Jew!

Sweet!

great, people were electing Bush because he was Bush Sr's son. Now we're electing Kerry because he's a Jew?

There are a million better reasons...

and I'm in a cranky mood

That is very cool, indeed.

I just found out that John Kerry's father is a Jew! Kerry's paternal grandparents came from Austria and picked the name Kerry by dropping a pen on a map of Europe and hitting County Kerry, Ireland. They converted to Catholicism, but still ...

We're about to elect not only the second Catholic President, but the first Jew!

Sweet!


that is, of course, if he gets elected.

I just found out that John Kerry's father is a Jew! Kerry's paternal grandparents came from Austria and picked the name Kerry by dropping a pen on a map of Europe and hitting County Kerry, Ireland. They converted to Catholicism, but still ...

We're about to elect not only the second Catholic President, but the first Jew!

Sweet!

You sure about that? Some immigrants had names made up for them because theirs was too hard to pronounce.

More important. Have a link or the source of this info.....

I think he will get elected because people hate Bush like they have hated no other President.

I have people stopping me all the time telling me how they love my "Not My President" shirt but i NEVER, i repeat, NEVER have anyone stop me to disagree with it. Mainly old people are the ones stopping me too. I mean really old people. You know, the ones that have the most power because they are retired and have nothing better to do than lobby.

You sure about that? Some immigrants had names made up for them because theirs was too hard to pronounce.

More important. Have a link or the source of this info.....

Ah yes ... links ...

Jewish Link (http://www.uahc.org/rjmag/03fall/kerry.shtml)

Another Jewish Link (http://www.jewishsf.com/bk030207/us02.shtml)

Al Jazeera Link (http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2004%20News%20archives/Jan/31%20n/John%20Kerrys%20Jewish%20roots.htm)

Want I should grab up some KKK, Aryan Nation, or Neo-Nazi links as well - in the spirit of fair and balanced?

Mexican Link (http://aztlan.net/kerry_jewish_roots.htm)

Google Link (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=kerry+jewish+grandparents&btnG=Google+Search)

I just found out that John Kerry's father is a Jew! Kerry's paternal grandparents came from Austria and picked the name Kerry by dropping a pen on a map of Europe and hitting County Kerry, Ireland. They converted to Catholicism, but still ...

We're about to elect not only the second Catholic President, but the first Jew!

Sweet!He is just another Jew that would sell Israel down the river, too.

That is interesting.

How it affects my views on him? MEH!

Ok he had Jewish grandparents. He and his parents seem to not know that so are they "really" Jewish?

I am a Pole; I am sure there might be some in my lineage so I guess I am a Jew as well! ;)

Figures Al-J is all over this. They have to make sure everybody knows of all the Zionists in this country! :rolleyes:

The Skull and Bones stuff is intersting as well. I guess they can be grave robbers like the Pilgrims! ;)

Judiasm isn't a race, it's a religion. You're not born a Jew, and John Kerry says he is Catholic.

Plus, what better way to have Islamic terrorists frothing at the mouth than advertising that Sen. Kerry had Jewish grandparents?

i'd say that's yet another reason to dislike Kerry (which i do already); yet more religious affiliation. i'd be excited if we were going to elect the first atheist or agnostic, but all religions are equally unfounded and silly, so what does it matter whether he's Jewish, Christian, Hindu, or Shinto?

Well if he was Buddhist, then we might be able to expect a peaceful President.

i'd say that's yet another reason to dislike Kerry (which i do already); yet more religious affiliation. i'd be excited if we were going to elect the first atheist or agnostic, but all religions are equally unfounded and silly, so what does it matter whether he's Jewish, Christian, Hindu, or Shinto?
Kind of like identifying oneself by their sexuality, pathetic and silly.

Kind of like identifying oneself by their sexuality, pathetic and silly.
indeed.

Judiasm isn't a race, it's a religion. You're not born a Jew, and John Kerry says he is Catholic.

Plus, what better way to have Islamic terrorists frothing at the mouth than advertising that Sen. Kerry had Jewish grandparents?
There is the Jewish religion and the Jewish ethnicity...so you could be a Catholic Jew, but Kerry wasn't brought up Jewish religiously or ethnically, so he himself is not a Jew...

Wow, he's jew! Awesome! He can definately run the country now!

Hell! Lets get Lieberman, he's fully jewish...with him in office it'll be like Pax American! Woot!

Judiasm isn't a race, it's a religion. You're not born a Jew, and John Kerry says he is Catholic.

Judaism is a religion, yes, however Jewish is a cultural identity. You are born a Jew.

Actually no, a cultural identity is Italian, English and German.

Judaism is a religion. Oh crap, that means he's not really a Jew. Forget it, I almost voted for him too.

Actually no, a cultural identity is Italian, English and German.

Judaism is a religion. Oh crap, that means he's not really a Jew. Forget it, I almost voted for him too.
Those are national identities...

Some times they are one in the same. I'll placate you...African-american.

Some times they are one in the same. I'll placate you...African-american.
Sometimes, but not always. Jewish is an ethnic group...

Heh...Hitler wasn't that interested in religion...but was killing of ETHNIC Jews...

Ah yes ... links ...
Al Jazeera Link (http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2004%20News%20archives/Jan/31%20n/John%20Kerrys%20Jewish%20roots.htm)
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That is a Fake AlJazeera..

Okay, let me get this straight. You're trying to tell me that Sammy Davis Jr. wasn't Jewish? He was just pretending or something...

That is a Fake AlJazeera..

Oopppss. That happens when you let your pejudices(in my case Al-J) get in the way.

Thanks for pointing that out.....

That is a Fake AlJazeera..
And your other sources are "not-quite-Aljazeera"...Does not mean its a Lie....
But it does not come from AlJazeera.

see... if it would come from this link:
http://english.aljazeera.net/

It would have a 90% credibility rating....as far as I am concerned.

Kerry might as well be a Jew because he isn't a Catholic. He is Pro Choice, had a wedding outside of the Church, commiting adultery, received Holy Communion when he should have been denied, spoke of politics during mass, and beared false witness against his neighbors. Plus God only knows what else.

Sure I'm out numbered here as a practising devout Catholic, but that's my opinion.

I think he will get elected because people hate Bush like they have hated no other President.

wow...glad you have such a great grasp of history...

Kerry might as well be a Jew because he isn't a Catholic. He is Pro Choice, had a wedding outside of the Church, commiting adultery, received Holy Communion when he should have been denied, spoke of politics during mass, and beared false witness against his neighbors. Plus God only knows what else.

Sure I'm out numbered here as a practising devout Catholic, but that's my opinion.

As a non-catholic who was force-fed catholicism throughout the first 18 years of my life, I'd have to agree with you

Judaism is passed down through the mother, so no, he's not a jew, unless his mother was one too.

Kerry might as well be a Jew because he isn't a Catholic. He is Pro Choice, had a wedding outside of the Church, commiting adultery, received Holy Communion when he should have been denied, spoke of politics during mass, and beared false witness against his neighbors. Plus God only knows what else.

Sure I'm out numbered here as a practising devout Catholic, but that's my opinion.

Normally, you would be right. However, until the Church of Pedophilla makes right for their crimes, they have no right to talk about morality.

Sick bastards and it has been going on for a long time.

A friend got back from Ireland and was rather bothered. He latter reported that he just learned that 30 years ago their Priest kidnapped his best friend, molested and tortured him! What did the Church do? Moved him to Canada.

So even the Church isn't Catholic these days.

Judaism is passed down through the mother, so no, he's not a jew, unless his mother was one too.

Oh I know. There are a few racist chowder heads that will make Jewish comments now(some of them are my relatives :rolleyes: )

Normally, you would be right. However, until the Church of Pedophilla makes right for their crimes, they have no right to talk about morality.

Sick bastards and it has been going on for a long time.

A friend got back from Ireland and was rather bothered. He latter reported that he just learned that 30 years ago their Priest kidnapped his best friend, molested and tortured him! What did the Church do? Moved him to Canada.

So even the Church isn't Catholic these days.
Statistically, the amount of pedophiles in the Catholic church isn't any more than the normal population. So are we the Nation of Pedophiles?

Normally, you would be right. However, until the Church of Pedophilla makes right for their crimes, they have no right to talk about morality.

Sick bastards and it has been going on for a long time.

A friend got back from Ireland and was rather bothered. He latter reported that he just learned that 30 years ago their Priest kidnapped his best friend, molested and tortured him! What did the Church do? Moved him to Canada.

So even the Church isn't Catholic these days.

Sorry to disappoint you but the molestation problems have been blown way out of proportion by the truly Anti-Catholic media and society in general. Sure the Church has been wrong, but who is without sins, finally things are being done to correct this.

If you don't think American society is Anti-Catholic, then consider this: If you take a look at the total number of Catholics here, why has there only been one Catholic President. And he wouldn't have beat Nixon in 1960 had his fathers' mob ties not bought Chicago for him.

Yes we do have a right to preach morality. Not every priest is a child molestor. How many kids are molested by their own parents or families each day. I would guess millions. A good Catholic condems any assault on children no matter what their religion. Besides the bad deeds, you can look at some of the good deeds. Remember Mother Teresa, or maybe you think she was the devil herself.

Statistically, the amount of pedophiles in the Catholic church isn't any more than the normal population. So are we the Nation of Pedophiles?

Society tends to punish pedophiles. The church was hiding them and used peoples failths to "guide" their actions about going forward.

Even if we look at the numbers; the population number is not valid. How many people are not Catholic? Now what is the ratio of Pedophiles to followers?

We may never know how many people were affected by this.

The problem is not the number of incidents, becuae it is definately a minority of preists who are commiting these crimes.
The problem is the response from the Church itself.
Most of these preists aere not brought to justice for the predatory and criminal actions, instead,they are RELOCATED to new parishes, where they have a new smorgasboard of victims.

THATS the problem.

They should be rotting in a prison.

Society tends to punish pedophiles. The church was hiding them and used peoples failths to "guide" their actions about going forward.

Even if we look at the numbers; the population number is not valid. How many people are not Catholic? Now what is the ratio of Pedophiles to followers?

We may never know how many people were affected by this.

Sadly only now is society ready to talk about abuse. What would society have done to Catholics if these molestion charges were revealed say 60 years ago? Heck even the KKK hated us back then and still do!

Society tends to punish pedophiles. The church was hiding them and used peoples failths to "guide" their actions about going forward.

Even if we look at the numbers; the population number is not valid. How many people are not Catholic? Now what is the ratio of Pedophiles to followers?

We may never know how many people were affected by this.
Millions aren't Catholic. And society rarely punishes pedophiles, because the family is so embarrassed or afraid that they don't press charges. A report on CNN said up to 10% of students are sexually abused by teachers, but how many of them are charged with a crime?

In case I forgot to clarify it, I believe the molestors should be held accountable like everyone else. Theres a movie out there called the Boys of St Vincent. Check it out, it's quite depressing.

In case I forgot to clarify it, I believe the molestors should be held accountable like everyone else. Theres a movie out there called the Boys of St Vincent. Check it out, it's quite depressing.
As do I. But I don't think it's fair to single out Catholics when the problem is ubiquitous.

Sorry to disappoint you but the molestation problems have been blown way out of proportion by the truly Anti-Catholic media and society in general. Sure the Church has been wrong, but who is without sins, finally things are being done to correct this.

Oh really an anti-catholic agenda?

Hmmm ok. Priest nails some kids, Church transfers hims, he nails a few more, they transfer him.

Estimations from groups that work with children and violence estimate higher numbers then being reported.

I even saw one story of a case where Church officials asked the family to keep quiet about it as it would damange the Churches standings.

If you don't think American society is Anti-Catholic, then consider this: If you take a look at the total number of Catholics here, why has there only been one Catholic President. And he wouldn't have beat Nixon in 1960 had his fathers' mob ties not bought Chicago for him.

Sorry even "anti-catholic" people still have issues if Catholic Children are being molested.

I know full well about Kennedy and the fears he caused as him getting elected would mean the Pople would be running this country.


Yes we do have a right to preach morality. Not every priest is a child molestor. How many kids are molested by their own parents or families each day. I would guess millions. A good Catholic condems any assault on children no matter what their religion. Besides the bad deeds, you can look at some of the good deeds. Remember Mother Teresa, or maybe you think she was the devil herself.

Well the fact enrollment seems to be declining suggests othewise(out here it is).

Mother Teresa was a great lady. One good point, now how many Pedophiles are there. How many children had thier lifes screwed up with no assistence from their Church?

He who is without sin shouldn't cast the first stone.

Very true.

The Church falls under that same ruling.

The fact they hid the sins make them guilty of sin as such they can't judge the actions of others.

I should also clarify that when I mention "the Church" I am refering to the leaders.

The Chruch is also an all inclusive term.

Sorry gentlemen but I am very angry over this.

If you think about it. It's is the "Anti-Catholic" press that solved this problem as it brought it to everybodies attention.

Millions aren't Catholic. And society rarely punishes pedophiles, because the family is so embarrassed or afraid that they don't press charges. A report on CNN said up to 10% of students are sexually abused by teachers, but how many of them are charged with a crime?

That is true.

However, if the authorities in society find out, they act.

The authorties in the Church found out and they acted by shifted the priest to a new parish and went silent on the episode.

We as Catholics don't judge as I live in a glass house too. We try to teach people about the love of God. We shouldn't judge others, but some do. When the Church says something is sinful, it's really applying to it's own members. But it can seen as judging by outsiders. Catholic Churches have hid their sins but are doing something about it finally. You can't condem a group for the crimes of a few. Would you say blacks are all quilty because some are in prison?

Yes an Anti-Catholic agenda. The media has purposefully over reported on molestation. Yes some of those groups that work with kids also make things up to get people into trouble. Ever hear about kids making false claims of abuse so someone could cash in, or innocent people would go to prison. Yes there is an Anti-Catholic agenda in our society.

The Church has never claimed to be perfect. Nothing in this world is perfect. We are guilty of sin no matter what we do because we are not perfect. I don't know where youre from but enrollment is increasing due to the Hispanic population growing.

I should also clarify that when I mention "the Church" I am refering to the leaders.

The Chruch is also an all inclusive term.

Sorry gentlemen but I am very angry over this.

If you think about it. It's is the "Anti-Catholic" press that solved this problem as it brought it to everybodies attention.

You seriously don't think the media is anti Catholic? When was the last time you saw a positive story in the news about us?

In America, Catholic immigrants were discrimminated against big time. Remember the Molly McGuires in PA. For years Catholics were denied good jobs because those nice wasps' had similar gentlemens agreements like they did with Jews.

Yes an Anti-Catholic agenda. The media has purposefully over reported on molestation. Yes some of those groups that work with kids also make things up to get people into trouble. Ever hear about kids making false claims of abuse so someone could cash in, or innocent people would go to prison. Yes there is an Anti-Catholic agenda in our society.


Do you have numbers to prove otherwise?

Then how do you prove those numbers are undercut to "better" the problem.

Making false claims? *sigh*

Ok I guess then.....well never mind.

Do you have numbers to prove otherwise?

Then how do you prove those numbers are undercut to "better" the problem.

Making false claims? *sigh*

Ok I guess then.....well never mind.

Where are your numbers then?

False Claims?

You seriously don't think the media is anti Catholic? When was the last time you saw a positive story in the news about us?

In America, Catholic immigrants were discrimminated against big time. Remember the Molly McGuires in PA. For years Catholics were denied good jobs because those nice wasps' had similar gentlemens agreements like they did with Jews.

All right. The Molly McGuires were in 1876.
The Gentlemens agreement was in 1947.

I will give you JFK at 1963

How do the events of 40+ years ago consture an anti-catholic agenda for the problems of today?

Can you tell me a case of a person being descrimated against in this country for being a catholic? The Deep south is an obvious case. However, Boston? Where is the agenda there?

Where are your numbers then?

False Claims?

You said the numbers were over estimated. If they are then what are they?

You probably can't answer that as the Church will not willing admit to it as it means lawsuits.

All right. The Molly McGuires were in 1876.
The Gentlemens agreement was in 1947.

I will give you JFK at 1963

How do the events of 40+ years ago consture an anti-catholic agenda for the problems of today?

Can you tell me a case of a person being descrimated against in this country for being a catholic? The Deep south is an obvious case. However, Boston? Where is the agenda there?

Yes certain people still hate Catholics. For an Example I was discriminated against back in 1975 when I applied for an engineering job with a private company. Back then you could ask someones religious beliefs on the application. I was just out of the military, and had finished my engineering degree. I had more then enough know how and experience to get the job. They gave the position to someone else who was less qualified. My friend from college worked there and informed me that the owners were Free Masons so thats why they didn't hire me. He knew this cause he was one of the owners' sons'. He was pissed at this but it was before all of these laws, so what could you do. I wouldn't have sued anyway, I'm not like that. Besides I wouldn't work someplace where I was not wanted. Other then that I can't think of any cases at the moment as it is 2 am here. Sorry.

In todays world, discrimmination is not as bad for us but there is some still there. When we protest at abortion clinics which we have the right to do, the media always calls us extremists, or radicals. You never hear stories about the good works we do such as homeless shelters, soup kitchens, international aid, refugee aid, adoptions, and our schools which are some of the best. It is always about priest abuse stories, and lawsuits.

I concede you may not notice these things as you don't sound as if you are a devout Catholic. But stand in my shoes and see if you would think the same way.

So I concede defeat as I don't have any numbers right now to substantiate my claims. Thanks for letting me rant, and I hope you don't hate all of us for what the few do.

According to a investigational report only 2 percent of priests have had relations with minors. Most boys were aged 14-18 which suggests that more then molestation was occuring. Probably a homosexual thing. Nationwide of the 40,000 or so priests, 232 have been removed over the last twenty years. According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch investigation of over 178 dioceses. Small but tragic none the less.

Gilbert Gauthe a priest suspended by the church and sentenced to 20 years. Marked the beginning of the national effort by the bishops to prevent and respond to such allegations of abuse against children. Since 1993 the US bishops with the vatican came up with 5 points for dealing with this:

Respond promptly to all reports of abuse where there is reasonable belief that abuse has occured.
If such an allegation is supported, then the priest is immediately removed and sent for medical evaluation and intervention.
Comply with the civil law as regards the reporting of such incidents and cooperate with the law.
Reach ou to the victim and family to communicate sincere care to their well being.
Within the confines of confidentiality, deal as openly as possible with the community.

Sadly not all dioceses followed these rules and left some in their current positions.

The small numbers do not warrent such hatred for catholics. In the recent Boston scandal of the MORE THEN EIGHTY priests accused of molestations only 4 were found to have been guilty. After the verdicts had been reached, did the media offer apologies for basically ruining the innocent priests' lives. No. Basically the press found them all guilty of this before they even went to trial. There's no media bias!

Well I am surprised. But 1975? Not to take away from your event that is still a life time for some people. At leas the Feds have made is so "faith" quesitons are no allowed in job interviews.

I don't have issues with Catholic followers. Only the leadership.

I find it interesting that the leadership of NOW gets threatened with excommunication and yet they don't excommunicate these priests. Threat excommunication for violent acts in the name of the pro-life movement.

I have listened to "Good Catholic" followers justify the murder of Dr. Gunn and yet do not hear the Priests speaking out against that thought. Murder to prevent murder is still a violation of the 10 commandments.

As said before comments were not directed at you. I am a lapsed Catholic. I had a great man that was the sterotypical image of the Irish Priest so I know all Priests are bad. I have even met the Pope. My issues may or may not be sorted in time.

Just like my father in law. An Italian catholic(my wife is Sicilian), he lost a newborn daughter to Cystic Fibrosis. He had a spiritiual crisises and sought guidence. He was told the God punished him for his lack of faith.

He never went back.