NationStates Jolt Archive

Who is speaking tonight? Gore and Clinton? Right? Well...if I have any opinions (or when the Republicans want to come slam/flame after the speeches), I'll post them here in a few hours...

...okay, just now I was watching CNN and Howard Dean was being interviewed and asked about presenting a positive message in the speeches at the DNC and he responded with something to the effect of:
"Oh, I definitely think we should be presenting a positive message here. Everyone already knows what George W. Bush has done to this country--created a trillion dollar debt, getting us into a war that we don't know why because he didn't tell us..."
Now...I'm going to be voting for Kerry...but Dean is a freaking self-contradicting moron...

There's no contradiction there--he was saying that the convention will be upbeat because everyone else already knows the bad stuff. And it will be. But Dean at the time wasn't part of the convention--he was being asked what the convention will be like.

As to the schedule, I know for certain that Gore and Clinton will be speaking, and I think Carter will be as well. The big fireworks ought to be tomorrow night when Ron Reagan Jr. takes the stage to talk about stem cell research.

There's no contradiction there--he was saying that the convention will be upbeat because everyone else already knows the bad stuff. And it will be. But Dean at the time wasn't part of the convention--he was being asked what the convention will be like.

As to the schedule, I know for certain that Gore and Clinton will be speaking, and I think Carter will be as well. The big fireworks ought to be tomorrow night when Ron Reagan Jr. takes the stage to talk about stem cell research.
In my opinion, if everyone already knows what Bush has done to this country, Dean didn't even need to mention as much as he did.

I can see your point, but right now, Dean and the others who aren't on the ticket are the attack dogs so Kerry and Edwards don't have to do the dirty work themselves. That's standard for this part of the campaign.

Okay...now there is a "professional blogger" (Ana Marie Fox) on CNN talking to Anderson Cooper and I think they're both high because no one knows what they're talking about, including themselves...

Wow. That was awesome. Anderson Cooper literally walked his show right into the next CNN show...

I don't like the fact that I just saw a teleprompter...but oh well, Bush uses one too...

Al Gore just stepped on...

"I don't want you to think I lay awake at night counting...and recounting...sheep..."

"America is a place where any little boy or girl can grow up and win the popular vote."

"...and by the way, I know about the bad economy...I was the first one laid off..."

Gore isn't doing such a good job of presenting a positive message...but I still agree with pretty much everything he is saying...

"...and by the way, I know about the bad economy...I was the first one laid off..."\
Gore is an idiot.

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Gore is an idiot.
At least he is trying to be funny, whether or not you think it's funny...unlike GWB who is funny even though he doesn't mean to be...

Anyone know if there has ever been a Prez/Veep duo with the same first name before?

Jimmy Carter is up next.

Carter is speaking now.

Hey guys, what's your opinion on Hillary and her participation in the race? Just curious.

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Gore is an idiot.
I loved Gore's speech! He would have been one freaking awesome prez.

Hillary's speech was good... I've read here that other Dems weren't too impressed by it... but I thought she did a good job of promoting Kerry (the point of the convention) and avoiding mentioning her husband, whom she was introducing, overmuch. She's a good politician... a good speaker... and I generally agree with her ideas.

She's just a little crazy.

Anyone know if there has ever been a Prez/Veep duo with the same first name before?
Heh... yep... two Johns... John Quincy Adams (although he wasn't regularly called by his first name) and John C. Calhoun in 1825 to 1829.

Crazyness seems to be an admirable Presidential quality these days. Hillary '08?

Crazyness seems to be an admirable Presidential quality these days. Hillary '08?
Heh... I'd vote for her... but she'd only run if Kerry looses this election, which I don't want.

Heh... I'd vote for her... but she'd only run if Kerry looses this election, which I don't want.
Haha, 2008-20016! Another four years of the Clinton administration! Rock on! Hillary would be even better than Bill because she probably wouldn't get caught up in any scandals.

Anyway, Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy and Teresa Heinz Kerry are up tonight. I'm looking forward to it.

Any KKK wannabes have any strong opinions about the National Anthem being sung not in English?

Any KKK wannabes have any strong opinions about the National Anthem being sung not in English?
I thought they couldn't sing worth crap, but um it's a nice idea. (edit: but no, I'm not KKK)

Most of the entertainers they have there are lousy. I was looking forward to Maya Angelou and she was the worst speaker :\ (although not quite as bad as the ones who came just before her). I dunno, I'm looking forward to Dean and Reagan.

Hmm...FOX...I hate them...

Michael Moore vs Bill O'Reilly
(Moore is doing a good job)
...but at the same time the DNC is on CNN...oh well...

I think O'Reilly made a mistake inviting Moore on maybe...I didn't realize it was on until just now, but oh well. I guess I'll catch the end.

Dean didn't even need to mention as much as he did.Free speech

Free speech
I didn't say he shouldn't have and he needs to be arrested. I said he didn't need to and it wasn't smart politically to say what he said. I can say you are the biggest idiot in the world due to free speech, but does that make it a good idea?

Heh, O'Rielly isn't that smart is he?

While he offered to sacrifice his own life to secure Fallujah, he said he wouldn't sacrifice his child or anyone else's child...totally missing Moore's point. Bush isn't sacrificing his life, he is sacrificing the life of America's future--whether the cause is just or not is debatable, but not part of this question.

I didn't say he shouldn't have and he needs to be arrested. I said he didn't need to....
If Dean dont say it...who will?... Kerry? Edwards? (comon...they are wimps)

If Dean dont say it...who will?... Kerry? Edwards? (comon...they are wimps)
Uh...the point is...the Democrats are trying to portray a positive message at their convention...
I understand that someone needs to say the negative things about Bush (because that's all the repubs are going to do about Kerry), but if the Dems want to portray a positive message at their convention, they need to hold onto the negativity until later...

Uh...the point is...the Democrats are trying to portray a positive message at their convention...
...Then all they need...is to have Edwars talking all nite...
But like hell im going to turn the TV off...

Damn...Dean mentioned the Iraq war only once...I guess he has no choice...
I was expecting more from him...
at least he called Bush a LIAR...

I'm glad Kerry beat Dean. Kerry is better.

Meh... Coke v Pepsi.
I'm just really glad Edwards got the veep slot.

I'm glad Kerry beat Dean. Kerry is better.
Why is he better?

Meh... Coke v Pepsi.
I'm just really glad Edwards got the veep slot.
I just hope Coke stands a chance vs Jesus Juice.

Obama kicks ass

Obama kicks ass
He was freaking fantastic!! Amazing speech....!!!

Obama kicks ass
Very much so. Kerry needs to get out of the way.

I want to vote for Edwards/Obama.

The Democratics keep emphasizing that Republicans need a split America.

This Reagan kid is a pretty good public speaker too. He may not be a good political speaker, but he is making excellent points. I don't know if he'd be able to do a good job running for any office, but as far as stem cell research goes, he is an excellent speaker.

A lot of people are holding back tears now...

Yeah, I just saw Reagan give that speach. Most people were kind of tuning him out at the start I think, but he really got the crowd going towards the end. Fantastic speech!

And then the girl that was just on for Kids for Kerry did a good job too. She looked very nervous (for obvious reasons, heh), but still had a well written speech and presented it well.

Very much so. Kerry needs to get out of the way.

I want to vote for Edwards/Obama.
That would kick even more ass!! I would so love that.

I thought Reagan was great! He's not bad looking, and he knows what he's talking about, and he means it, unlike some out there...

Stem cells will cure cancer, Parkinson's, diabetes, heart disease?
I could swear that's the argument for legalizing pot. Get your science straight.
Which is better, getting a quick acting though painful cancer due to the cure or a chronic disease? I've chose the chronic disease. I can deal with reality. (insert turtle here)

Teresa Heinz Kerry is next and I can't wait. Of course, Cheney will out do here in any speech he makes as far as vulgarness goes, but she'll be the worst of all the Democrats....

OH NO! She spoke in French (as well as Spanish, Italian, and two other languages)!! She must be a terrorist!! [/right-wing bullshit]

Teresa lied. It is not how she said it, it is the fact she lied. Just like McGovern with his 1000% until the polls came in. I saw both and I heard both. Among others. Kerry threw his medals away while I was earning mine. I still have mine. I am not ashamed of what I have done in the military as I did what was moral, ethical and by any court, legal. Kerry apparently has an issue. That sets him up for scrutiny by US courts and war crimes by Viet Nam. Calley faced the accusations. Kerry at least facilitated war crimes (if they occured as Kerry is apparantly the only living witness and therefore the only person who could have done the war crime) just the same as the nazi generals. This is convoluted simply because of the story line presented by Kerry himself. Kerry needs a trial lawyer, Edwards will work. Except in criminal trials you have to prove your assertions... (insert turtle)

What's Teresa lying about? And what does this have to do with what is currently going on with the DNC?

OH NO! She spoke in French (as well as Spanish, Italian, and two other languages)!! She must be a terrorist!! [/right-wing bullshit]

No, she thinks she's the Pope. She can give John boy communion. A US anti-pope, who woulda thought it? (insert turtle)

BACBI, start getting on topic and stop flaming or find a new thread, please.

What's Teresa lying about? And what does this have to do with what is currently going on with the DNC?
What she said that the reporter questioned her about. It doesn't matter which newspaper he worked for, it matters that you are accountable to both sides of the people if you want your mate to be elected. Unfortunately Bush has been able, yes to skate on tech. ask Edwards about that. Having watched the convention in Chicago on TV and the riots of the period, I remember the lies of Teddy Kennedy, Cater, Mondale, Hart, Gregorie, Boxer, Dukakis both Clintons, if they would just stick to the truth and keep their mouths shut otherwise. I might believe a democrat again. (insert turtle)
ps good night.

I really like Barack Obama. Very charismatic and young, he could definately be a president. His speech was amazing, and I suggest you all watch (as I will) his upcoming Senate career.

In my opinion, Dean's speech ranked about the worse of this convention, I suppose they had to give him a spot given Joe Trippi, not Dean, changed the way the Democratic party raised money..

But if there was a star tonight it was easily, without doubt.. "BARACK OBAMA"

He gave the next best speech to Clinton's thus far.. but hey, we're just getting started! ;)

Meh... Coke v Pepsi.
I'm just really glad Edwards got the veep slot.

Actually, although I don't know much about his current politics, Edward's background is pretty scary. Makes me wonder why I should vote at all.

I really like Barack Obama. Very charismatic and young, he could definately be a president. His speech was amazing, and I suggest you all watch (as I will) his upcoming Senate career.

I agree, he is of intrest. Really, good night now, (insert turtle).

Actually, although I don't know much about his current politics, Edward's background is pretty scary. Makes me wonder why I should vote at all.

Hey, Edwards is just going for VP, he has just as much experience as GWB had when he actually stole the election. So, for people saying Edwards doesn't have it.. think about it.. Bush never did!

In my opinion, Dean's speech ranked about the worse of this convention, I suppose they had to give him a spot given Joe Trippi, not Dean, changed the way the Democratic party raised money..

But if there was a star tonight it was easily, without doubt.. "BARACK OBAMA"

He gave the next best speech to Clinton's thus far.. but hey, we're just getting started! ;)

Excuse me but did my response to opal get deleted? I really want to know how I was flaming. Thank you.

Excuse me but did my response to opal get deleted? I really want to know how I was flaming. Thank you.

Uh, not that I noticed.. are you sure it went through??

No, she thinks she's the Pope. She can give John boy communion. A US anti-pope, who woulda thought it? (insert turtle)
How is that not flaming?

What she said that the reporter questioned her about. It doesn't matter which newspaper he worked for, it matters that you are accountable to both sides of the people if you want your mate to be elected.
Yea, I don't agree with her lying about that, especially since the guy was just asking for clarification, however none of the news I saw on it showed the newspaper guy's full question and it may be that we're just not seeing the full story.

Anyhow, now FOX is saying that Teresa didn't say anything about her husband...

Uh, not that I noticed.. are you sure it went through??

Uh, yes. two post I made dealing with the DNC and relation of Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr and the relationship of current democrats to the message were gone after they were submitted. Opal responded to one. Just because I'm an old guy doesn't mean I have nothig to say in the democratic party. By the way, I forgot Mc Govern, that was my first arrest and charges for the cause.

Anyhow, now FOX is saying that Teresa didn't say anything about her husband...

nice obsfucation. Nobody said she said anything about her husband. She said something derogatory (at least in my humble opinion) about all potential voters. Including me. I'm from Pennsylvania and I'm aware of the arrogance of the Heinz. Carnegie, they're not. (insert Turtle)
As far as the antipope comment I also happen to be catholic she made a challenge to John Paul that has to be answered. She brought religion to the fore.

No...FOX News criticized her for not talking about her husband.

Hey, Edwards is just going for VP, he has just as much experience as GWB had when he actually stole the election. So, for people saying Edwards doesn't have it.. think about it.. Bush never did!

It's not his political experience that worries me. It's his career before that. Anyone whose claim to faim is winning 80 million for someone when their claim probably had nothing to do with anything is not someone I want in office when tort reform is badly, badly needed.

It's not his political experience that worries me. It's his career before that. Anyone whose claim to faim is winning 80 million for someone when their claim probably had nothing to do with anything is not someone I want in office when tort reform is badly, badly needed.
As opposed to a C Average Business student who traded Sammy Sosa away...

No...FOX News criticized her for not talking about her husband.

That I missed, Fox is background noise in another room. Right now it's Law and Order. Again please TG me and explain how I flammed you. Presenting an argument does no good if you piss off someone. (insert turtle)

As opposed to a C Average Business student who traded Sammy Sosa away...

I'm in Seattle area, don't go there.

I'm in Seattle area, don't go there.
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That I missed, Fox is background noise in another room. Right now it's Law and Order. Again please TG me and explain how I flammed you. Presenting an argument does no good if you piss off someone. (insert turtle)
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A Rod, Big Unit, et al.

A Rod, Big Unit, et al.
Oh, yea, heh...I know what you're talking about...I was a Mariner fan until Griffey left...

As opposed to a C Average Business student who traded Sammy Sosa away...

I didn't say he was any worse than Bush. I'm just afraid that when I vote anybody but Bush, I'll just be trading one bad president for another (or at least for a pushy bad VP).

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See above page 5. This skin is not easy on my vision, so I can't tell you what post number. I take it you are not pissed at me anymore. TG if you want, I'm going to bed. I have to save the world again tomrrow. The stuggle continues. (insert turtle)

I didn't say he was any worse than Bush. I'm just afraid that when I vote anybody but Bush, I'll just be trading one bad president for another (or at least for a pushy bad VP).
Maybe, but we vote because it's trial and error. Bush has won't the presidency (not by the people, but by the system) and he erred. Give someone else a chance for these next four years.

"...and by the way, I know about the bad economy...I was the first one laid off..."
sorry to hear you got laid off. but i have to ask the qustion when where you laid off?

sorry to hear you got laid off. but i have to ask the qustion when where you laid off?
It's an Al Gore quote and the joke is quite obvious...

Maybe, but we vote because it's trial and error. Bush has won't the presidency (not by the people, but by the system) and he erred. Give someone else a chance for these next four years.

Oh for God's sake, you're preaching to the choir here. I've said more than once that I will vote for anyone but Bush, so you don't have to tell me that. I was just pointing out that Edwards (even as VP) isn't exactly a perfect candidate either. That is all.

OK, Edward's speech tonight? Brilliant! The man is one of the best politicians, like, ever.

I know that doesn't automatically qualify him to be VP, but man, he gave me goosebumps when speaking about america and the world's potential to improve. I loved his speech!

His daughter was good too... his wife, bleh... the rest of the speakers, bleh... but Edwards was worth sitting through it all!