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And the article found here http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723 explains why he is such a moron. It's good to see that someone on the internet has some common sense.

I hate Michael Moore.... But I love his message.... Eh... Nobody's perfect.

Does it?

It is interesting that the author lists out points from the movies but then uses generalizations to explain away the whole batch.

Why doesn't he simply
1) move says the bushes are in league with the Bin Ladens.
False - reasons.......

Question: Did he even see the film?

It's a strange question but I remember op-ed pieces in the past where the author reviewed from others comments.

Meh!

I am still going to see the film and draw my own conclusions.

His name should be Michael Moore-on. In addition to being an extremely supercilious fat bastard, he is also a radical socialist (like Kerry) and an all-around rabid anti-American (like Kerry AND Bush).

Michael Mooron.

No not really. I don't think he's a moron.

Kerry, a radical socialist? I'm sorry, I just blew a lung laughing.


Now, I know I'll get jumped on, but I like Moore. He's a liar, we all know that- he plays with the truth in his "documentaries". But I'm okay with that, since the Right gets to do that all the time- why can't the Left? Moore is our Limbaugh. Or maybe our O'Rielly. Or Hannity.

My theory is it is fine … it was a movie … it is fine for him to make stuff up in that situation

Only thing that bugs me is when it is called/considered a documentary :-P now that is the joke of the day …

I’m sorry I defiantly think he should speak his mind but please don’t call it anything but what it is. An entertaining look into one mans perspective on things

Kerry, a radical socialist? I'm sorry, I just blew a lung laughing.


Now, I know I'll get jumped on, but I like Moore. He's a liar, we all know that- he plays with the truth in his "documentaries". But I'm okay with that, since the Right gets to do that all the time- why can't the Left? Moore is our Limbaugh. Or maybe our O'Rielly. Or Hannity.

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Excellent. We have now discovered that American politics lie entirely in the realm of bullshit, lies, and idiocy. Yes, both sides lie. Both are usually wrong. And regardless of who is in office, people generally hate them for various reasons. Now that we have all understood this, does it really seem like our politicians know ANYTHING? Naw, but I don't really feel like running this country. Honestly, this is nothing new. It doesn't matter who is in office, they ALL screw up. And people usually tell lies and half-truths to make them sound better or worse. It's nothing new. Moore doesn't surprise me. What DOES surprise me is that people even bother to listen to politicians any more. What they say and what they do are entirely different things. As an American, I choose to work, party, and watch lots of TV. That way I can at least enjoy myself while liberals and conservatives screw the country.

He is a moron. Nothing he says or does should be taken seriously. Ever. Like Kerry.

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Excellent. We have now discovered that American politics lie entirely in the realm of bullshit, lies, and idiocy. Yes, both sides lie. Both are usually wrong. And regardless of who is in office, people generally hate them for various reasons. Now that we have all understood this, does it really seem like our politicians know ANYTHING? Naw, but I don't really feel like running this country. Honestly, this is nothing new. It doesn't matter who is in office, they ALL screw up. And people usually tell lies and half-truths to make them sound better or worse. It's nothing new. Moore doesn't surprise me. What DOES surprise me is that people even bother to listen to politicians any more. What they say and what they do are entirely different things. As an American, I choose to work, party, and watch lots of TV. That way I can at least enjoy myself while liberals and conservatives screw the country.
SOOOO damn true!

Moore's movies are entertaining... however as far as presenting a film that "encourages debate"... I don't think that this film fits the bill...

From what I've seen and heard about it, it seems that the film is, once again, all about how Micheal Moore is right and everyone else is wrong. This is not the true spirit of debate.

Debate consists of each side presenting their views and listening to the other side, then making a decision on what is the correct answer... Micheal Moore refuses to listen to any criticism, or opinion contrary to that of his own. He does not debate, he constantly barrages his oppponents with spin and misinformation.

His films are put together in such a way that makes them as controversial as possible, often ripping the context away from interviews and using classic hollywood tactics in order to stir emotion. Moore claims to speak for the everyman, when in reality it is quite clear that he speaks for himself.

It's obvious that Moore has seen that controversy=money, awards, and fame. Documentaries by definition are meant to document truths and facts. The only thing Moores films seem to document are his opinions and images/clips/soundbites he thinks will stir the public the most. This movie should by no means be considered a documentary nor should his other films.

I own a copy of Bowling for Columbine and intend to see F9/11 this weekend. I enjoy his movies and find them very entertaining. I do not believe that they provoke intelligent thought or debate any more than Lord Of The Rings does. By all means, see the movie, enjoy it. However, I would take everything with a grain of salt. Context is very important. People can splice up tons of footage to paint whatever picture of a person, or event that they wish. Mr. Moore, uses this technique very well, and I applaud him for it. However, he needs to stop being a hypocrite, saying that he is speaking for the american public, that his films are from his heart and that he makes them in hopes of provoking thought and debate. Lies, lies, lies.

I can't wait to see it this weekend. That's all I got.

You know, it's Hollywood. I hate the guy for his message because of the way he delivers it. He isn't subtle and he just really hates republicans. He has the right to say whatever he wants. That is the great thing about this country. Loonies like him can say whatever they want. But remember people, IT IS A FUGGING MOVIE! IT'S FROM FUGGING HOLLYWOOD! DON'T TAKE ANYTHING FROM HOLLYWOOD SERIOUSLY! THEY ARE THE SUPER RICH AND THEY ACT LIKE BABIES WHAN THINGS DON'T GO THEIR WAY!

I don't know if moron is the right word. In my opinion he is very unfunny and economical with his use of statistics and indeed the truth. On the other hand, I understand Fahrenheit 9/11 was checked over by 4 sets of lawyers and they found it kosher. Got to admire him because there's no one else trying to do what he does. He's got people discussing and taking an interest in politics, that can only be a good thing. I agree with some of his statements but Bush delibarately not trying to find bin Laden... be serious!

You know, it's Hollywood. I hate the guy for his message because of the way he delivers it. He isn't subtle and he just really hates republicans. He has the right to say whatever he wants. That is the great thing about this country. Loonies like him can say whatever they want. But remember people, IT IS A FUGGING MOVIE! IT'S FROM FUGGING HOLLYWOOD! DON'T TAKE ANYTHING FROM HOLLYWOOD SERIOUSLY! THEY ARE THE SUPER RICH AND THEY ACT LIKE BABIES WHAN THINGS DON'T GO THEIR WAY!

To quote someone from another forum (redvsblue), and to be honest, it has a much more intellegent arguements for and against the whole thing than that. But hey, who am I to judge.


There is no right and wrong in politics, there's only liberal and conservative. Everything is about trying to convince someone from the other side to believe how you believe. Michael Moore just chooses to do it through movies, and try and stir up controversy with it, and for that, I don't like him. I couldn't give a shit less what he believes or why he believes it, but the fact that he's shoving it in everyone's faces, and forcing his beliefs to be a topic of discussion(as this thread proves), makes him an asshole. The same thing would happen if someone made a pro-bush, anti-liberal movie, except that wouldn't stir up as much controversy because it's not trying to deface the character of our president. "I hate the president" gets a lot more attention than "I love the president".

Believe what you want, just don't force me to have to listen to it. And think about it yourself for a moment; do you really care what he thinks? Does it make you happier as a person now that you know that some dude hates the president and likes to read whatreallyhappened.com? I doubt it, so why perpetuate this? Do you really want him to make a fortune just because he hates the president more than you?


And you know what? I agree.

Michael Moore is a flat out liar.

He may have a good point now and again, and he may say some things that should make people think and reevaluate things, but that all gets lost..

Because he's a freakin' liar.

Me.

Michael Moore is a flat out liar.

He may have a good point now and again, and he may say some things that should make people think and reevaluate things, but that all gets lost..

Because he's a freakin' liar.

Me.

No, he is not a liar. He uses facts, true ones. It would be fair to say that he subverts and twists the truth, but he is not a liar about most things. He uses facts, and does not present a debate, but a single sided view to everything, smattering us with a single sided arguement.

Otherwise the lawyers which looked over the documentary would not have said it was kosher.

"No, he is not a liar. He uses facts, true ones. It would be fair to say that he subverts and twists the truth, but he is not a liar about most things."

I notice you said "most things". If you lie about things, even only a few, you're still a freakin' liar.

He distorts the truth to the point that what he shows is people saying things in direct opposition to what they actually said. Where I come from, that's lying. Ergo...

He's a freakin' liar. ;)

Me.

As a mention: I'm no fan of the Bush Administration, either.

"No, he is not a liar. He uses facts, true ones. It would be fair to say that he subverts and twists the truth, but he is not a liar about most things."

I notice you said "most things". If you lie about things, even only a few, you're still a freakin' liar.

He distorts the truth to the point that what he shows is people saying things in direct opposition to what they actually said. Where I come from, that's lying. Ergo...

He's a freakin' liar. ;)


And notice the fact that you said "flat out liar" implying that he lies about everything.

And when I said most things, I mean what facts he uses are not "true" facts, but subverted ones.

Example? The speech that he used in Bowling. It was a spliced one of three other speeches. Of course, the audiance does not know this, and accepts it as fact. All of it was said, but not in context. The person said it, but not in the way, order or even at the same time as it was presented.

"Michael Moore is a moron" - well, with a title like that it must be time for more intelligent discussion on NationStates General.

I feel somewhat glad that I haven't seen Farenheit 911 so I don't get dragged into these childish arguments.

"Michael Moore is a moron" - well, with a title like that it must be time for more intelligent discussion on NationStates General.

Precisely. This forum is a rare place for intellegent discussion. I usually head over to RedvsBlue for this sort of thing, when I see it.

Plus, it is very amusing to be there.

I am "Futuregod" there btw

He takes the facts and presents them in a highly opinionated and leading manner.

Just like the rest of the American media.

His name should be Michael Moore-on. In addition to being an extremely supercilious fat bastard, he is also a radical socialist (like Kerry) and an all-around rabid anti-American (like Kerry AND Bush).

What is wrong with socialism (notice the small s), it works in some places in the world.

You guys are all so damn stupid. Michael Moore offered $10,000 to anyone who can find a single lie in F 9/11.



None of you ignorant SOBs have seen it, so go figure.

You guys are all so damn stupid. Michael Moore offered $10,000 to anyone who can find a single lie in F 9/11.



None of you ignorant SOBs have seen it, so go figure.


awesome!! Haven't seen it yet, cos it's not released here yet.

No one has found a lie yet.

But some will not even heed such advice from fellow conservatives. Right-wing talk show host, three-time divorcee and drug addict Rush Limbaugh dismissed "Fahrenheit 9/11" as a "pack of lies" without seeing the movie. White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett called the film "outrageously false," even though he hadn't seen it. He also told CNN, "This is a film that doesn't require us to actually view it to know that it's filled with factual inaccuracies." As Moore stated, "At least they're consistent. They never needed to see a single weapon of mass destruction [in Iraq] before sending our kids off to die."

Moore went to great pains to get his facts right. He hired the former chief of fact checking at New Yorker magazine to comb the film for inaccuracies. "There's lots of disagreement with my analysis of these facts or my opinion based on the facts," he told Time. "There is not a single factual error in the movie."

The New York Times, which is not near as liberal as many people think, largely agreed with Moore, writing, "Central assertions of fact in 'Fahrenheit 9/11' are supported by the public record." For instance, Moore's contention that Bush spent 42 percent of his first eight months as president on vacation came from The Washington Post, which is also not as liberal as many think.

The question is of course, if Moore is a moron, why are the American right so threatened by him? If he's not intelligent you've nothing to fear. He has his faults, but he's never said anything really moronic, like saying Kerry is a radical socialist.

Lets face it: the right is scared by him and his movies. Otherwise they wouldn't spend nearly as much time attempting to denounce it.

Funny how so many people call him a moron and a liar, but nobody offers up any proof other than "Just because I don't believe him" or that he's a "fat bastard".

I've checked his sources and many independent bodies have checked his sources (including the conservative New Yorker) and every single thing Moore states in his 9/11 movie is actual fact.

If you have proof that it isn't, by all means speak up. Otherwise, calling him a "fat bastard" isn't proof of anything.

To see Mr. Moore's sources so that you may check them yourself, all you need to do is go to his website and there are pages upon pages of his sources in public view for anyone to go through and check.

Nothing in F 9/11 was a lie. Nothing.

I never said his facts were off or that he was a liar. I'd appreciate it if some of you would stop flaming. I just think Moore is an extremely pompous ass.

The question is of course, if Moore is a moron, why are the American right so threatened by him? If he's not intelligent you've nothing to fear. He has his faults, but he's never said anything really moronic, like saying Kerry is a radical socialist.

Cut the flaming, please. NOW.

You guys are all so damn stupid. Michael Moore offered $10,000 to anyone who can find a single lie in F 9/11.



None of you ignorant SOBs have seen it, so go figure.

Cut the flaming, please. NOW.

Michael Moore is a moron

How original, I've never heard that one before.. :rolleyes:

It just makes me laugh to see that the republicans can't find anything wrong with michael moore's movies so they end up namecalling. Immature.

However, there ARE smart republicans out there. They saw the movie.

Greg Rohwer-Selken, 33, of Ames, Iowa, whose wife, Karol, is serving in the National Guard in Iraq, was moved to tears and told Time Magazine, "It really made me question why she has to be over there."

A conservative Republican, 20-something woman in Pensacola, Fla., cried throughout the film and gave similar comments to The New York Times. "It really makes me question what I feel about the president," she said. "It makes me question his motive."

A man Newsday described as an "ardent Bush/Cheney supporter" in New York said, "It's really given me pause to think about what's really going on. There was just too much - too much to discount."

In conservative Indiana County, Pa., Eric Blank told the Indiana Gazette, "I have not felt this angry toward an administration ever. I wanted Clinton yanked from office, but I think Bush should go to jail."

Outside a Missouri theater, Leslie Hanser told the Los Angeles Times she had supported Bush "fiercely" before but finally understood why many Americans opposed his policies. "I feel like we haven't seen the whole truth before," she said.

It just makes me laugh to see that the republicans can't find anything wrong with michael moore's movies so they end up namecalling. Immature.

However, there ARE smart republicans out there. They saw the movie.

Greg Rohwer-Selken, 33, of Ames, Iowa, whose wife, Karol, is serving in the National Guard in Iraq, was moved to tears and told Time Magazine, "It really made me question why she has to be over there."

A conservative Republican, 20-something woman in Pensacola, Fla., cried throughout the film and gave similar comments to The New York Times. "It really makes me question what I feel about the president," she said. "It makes me question his motive."

A man Newsday described as an "ardent Bush/Cheney supporter" in New York said, "It's really given me pause to think about what's really going on. There was just too much - too much to discount."

In conservative Indiana County, Pa., Eric Blank told the Indiana Gazette, "I have not felt this angry toward an administration ever. I wanted Clinton yanked from office, but I think Bush should go to jail."

Outside a Missouri theater, Leslie Hanser told the Los Angeles Times she had supported Bush "fiercely" before but finally understood why many Americans opposed his policies. "I feel like we haven't seen the whole truth before," she said.

Note: Although I'm conservative, I'm very much anti-Bush and anti-Republican in addition to being anti-Moore.

I don't get what made Moore an ass in your mind. Elaborate, please?

I've read a lot of personal attacks on Michael Moore in this thread, but I have yet to see anyone disprove any of his facts. Granted, he has a bias, and isn't shy about it in his movie, and some of you have argued that he should present a more balanced view. Well, there is nothing that says a documentary (which is not exactly what I'd call this film) has to be balanced. The idea that ANY form of media could be objective is expecting a little much. There will always be biases inherent in the material and how it is presented. Hopefully you are intelligent enough to spot the bias and make allowances for it, and not just dismiss the arguement entirely. As well, the opposing views to his latest movie are well known. We hear them all the time. It is THIS viewpoint (and these facts) which are much less bandied about in the public sphere. Instead of attacking the man that made the movie, please examine the evidence he has compiled and try accept that our leaders do not always tell us all of the truth, all of the time. You might not like the way he presents the information, and that's fine. If you find a factual error in it, please bring it to someone's attention... but be prepared to back up your rebuttal with proof of your own. Calling him a moron and a liar for no reason is not furthering a critical debate... it's just simple name calling.

I'll agree that Michael Moore is a moron when the right-wing agrees with the same vigor about Fox News..

God...

the fact that people are taking Moore's movie seriously shows just how pathetic the majority of Americans have become. Still, it won't matter. Most people won't vote anyhow. That's why no matter who wins the election, everyone will complain.

God...

the fact that people are taking Moore's movie seriously shows just how pathetic the majority of Americans have become. Still, it won't matter. Most people won't vote anyhow. That's why no matter who wins the election, everyone will complain.

Hey, no more pathetic then people who actually believe Fox news is really "news" .. ;)

God...

the fact that people are taking Moore's movie seriously shows just how pathetic the majority of Americans have become. Still, it won't matter. Most people won't vote anyhow. That's why no matter who wins the election, everyone will complain.

I'm interested in what bothers you about the movie.

Let's put it simply; the right is terrified of Michael Moore. Totally and utterly terrified. They cover their ears, and yell "LIES!" at the top of their voices to drown out the voices of reason.

Please, prove me wrong - point out a lie in Fahrenheit 9/11. If you don't have one, rather than slander people, try and come up with an informed argument of your own, which Moore does well.

It scares him because it is a detailed collection of truth!

I prefer Al Franken over Michael Moore though



I want to watch "OutFoxed"

God...

the fact that people are taking Moore's movie seriously shows just how pathetic the majority of Americans have become. Still, it won't matter. Most people won't vote anyhow. That's why no matter who wins the election, everyone will complain.

The film is provoking informed debate, and you think this is 'pathetic'?

Hmm...

The film is provoking informed debate, and you think this is 'pathetic'?

Hmm...

Besides, Michael Moore freely admits he wasn't fair nor balanced but honest.. it's a political point of view (HIS) which is shared by more people then not in the world. Which is more then Fox news can say!

You see, they are terrified by this movie, so they are trying to act tough.


Why can't there be any thread that say "Bill O'Reilly is a moron" he is the one proven to lie over and over again.

But moore makes fox news actually seem "fair and balanced" in perspective.

Sinuhue, it's the fact that he's twisting facts and bullshitting his way though a movie, passing off his ideas as the ideas of the "common man".

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723 is a damn good read.

The bottom line is that I'm guessing you are a liberal. That means that naturally you support moore's outlandish views. I'm conservative, and he pisses me off. Now of course there are other things that go into the mix, but the bottom line is, Moore's supporting the increased bipartisan bullshit that's come to be modern day Washington.

He doesn't lie, he twists and leaves out parts of the facts. He may not be wrong, but he's no where near being right.

The film is provoking informed debate, and you think this is 'pathetic'?

Hmm...


It's not provoking debate at all, and certainly not informed debate. Moore's slamming his views down the throats of Americans, hoping to influence the millions of dumbassed Americans who don't know the real issues.

Someone related Mooron to Limbaugh, O'Reily, and Hannity... Those three men offer opinions. They don't try to say that they are creating "Documentaries" like michael moore does.

No he is not Right. Duh.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723

That website is so funny. Its a one-of-a-kind. :( Now that's pathetic.

You see, they are terrified by this movie, so they are trying to act tough.

I'm sorry...how can Moore's movie make anyone scared of anything? The man, and the movie, are jokes...laughable at times.

The fact that someone made a movie that's sole purpose is to get Bush out of the white house, is considered not-good by republicans. (MOST)

The fact that someone made a movie that's sole purpose is to get Bush out of the white house, is considered not-good by republicans. (MOST)

Because it's possible that it will make voters not vote for that dumbass kerry, but simply against bush since he's so "horrible".

If Clark or someone decent ran against Bush, I might consider it. At least Dean, the lunatic that he is, had an opinion. Kerry doesn't really know where he stands. The only thing he's sure of is that he likes the Red Sox.

Since when was Kerry a dumbass?


Hey, you have good taste. Clark really should have been elected. Dean would be a lot better if he had taken anger management.

Cut the flaming, please. NOW.His name should be Michael Moore-on. In addition to being an extremely supercilious fat bastard, Physician, heal thyself. You'll note at no point did I call you a moron, I said referring to Kerry as a socialist was a moronic statement which I stand by.

Since when was Kerry a dumbass?

fine:

Because it's possible that it will make voters not vote for kerry, but simply against bush since he's so "horrible".

If Clark or someone decent ran against Bush, I might consider it. At least Dean, the lunatic that he is, had an opinion. Kerry doesn't really know where he stands. The only thing he's sure of is that he likes the Red Sox.

So in otherwords bush will get no votes, and Kerry will get only the democrats, and a bunch of smart conservatives won't vote at all or at least neither of the above. That is crazy enough to work.

I'll agree that Michael Moore is a moron when the right-wing agrees with the same vigor about Fox News..

I agree.

hurray. too bad it can't change the fact that Fox lies occaisonally :(

I don't get what made Moore an ass in your mind. Elaborate, please?

With pleasure. He's always calling Americans 'stupid' (which many of us are, but not all), and badmouthing everyone who disagrees with him, and his ego is enormous.

hurray. too bad it can't change the fact that Fox lies occaisonally :(

Occasionally? How 'bout almost always?

I saw a 60 minutes with him, and as I shockingly found out, his ego is very sad. The guy was like "you potray yourself too much in your films" and Moore says "think about what you are saying: would a guy who looks like me really want to make me the center of attention?"


His book "stupid white men" was a lot about rascism in america.

It's not provoking debate at all, and certainly not informed debate. Moore's slamming his views down the throats of Americans, hoping to influence the millions of dumbassed Americans who don't know the real issues.

First I just want to say that I am not a liberal... or a conservative.... because in my country (Canada) they actually amount to about the same thing... one is just a little further right than the other:). Second, even if I WAS a liberal it wouldn't necessarily follow that I'd support, unthinkingly, Moore's position. I don't follow a party line... I try to do my thinking on my own, thank:).

This quote of yours needs some attention though... why is it that you think the majority of your fellow citizens are ignorant? Is it because they have a limited capacity for intellectual thought or because they have been fed one viewpoint for so long that they've accepted it as complete truth? I know this will tick some people off, but let's face it.... despite the fact that we have been raised to believe that the west is the most free and open place in the world, we are actually quite sheltered from dissenting opinions. Of course you can SEEK OUT dissenting opinions... we have access to the internet, the new from around the world, and we are not punished for accessing it. However, the mainstream media, which has been centralised more in more into fewer, conservative, hands, does not present a full spectrum of views. We are force-fed the same opinion (and I am blasting my own country here too, where more often there are stories about cats stuck in trees than what is going on in Africa or elsewhere in the world). The majority of people don't even realise that they aren't getting different viewpoints in their nightly news... so they don't bother to seek out other information. The fact that this movie has hit so many nerves is because the majority of westerners have never heard this viewpoint before. If they had, the theatres would be empty, and we'd be trading cheesecake recepies instead of arguing:). Yes, Moore can be overwhelmingly pompous... but he has managed to get this opposing view into the mainstream, and for that I applaud him. Just remember what his biases are when you watch it. Don't worry about your fellow citizens... I doubt they'll become so outraged after this movie that they'll burn down the White House (hey, we did that once in 1812, it was kind of fun:)).

And the article found here http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723 explains why he is such a moron. It's good to see that someone on the internet has some common sense.
Uhm, I feel sorry for you. Why are you searching for common sense on the Internet?

Here is a website analysing Farenheit 9/11 with references to the actual news stories Moore "used" in his movie along with references to rebuttals by Moore himself.

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

There are actually 59 deceits listed.

The thing that people dont understand about Moore, is that he is NOT a journalist.
He is a filmaker, and an entertainer, first and foremost.

In his movies, the tricky part to his films lies in the editing, not in the facts.
Many conservatives will show you a web site where they try to dispute his logic, or facts he uses, and its all crap.

His facts are nearly undisputable.

Its his editing tactics that are often confusing.
In Farenhiet 9/11, he quotes Bush several times in a row, but the actual events that the quote is taken from may not be on the same day in question.

Hypothetical example:

Moore says that Bush has said "I am personally suckling from Lucifer's teat."
and he may say that Bush said it in Kalamazoo.
Then you will see Bush say it five times in a row.
Making you think he may have said it five times in one day, when actually the quotes are takem from five different events.
One of wich will be the day in question.

That kind of thing.
Its meant to be an enjoyable film.
NOT a documentary.
It most certainly has an agenda, and Moore makes no bones about that fact.

In Mooere last book, "Dude, where's my Country?", He once again lambastes Bush, and his regime of corruption.
Shows them absolutely no mercy.
BUT....at the end of his book, is a 27 page chapter detailing his quotes and sources.
Best of all, he does not use liberal propoganda sites or journals to do it.
In fact, many of his quotes, where taken directly from Fox News.


The reason that Conservatives are so quick to dismiss him is that he says many things that paint Bush in a very negative light, and most of it, if not all of it....

Is absolutely true.

I'm probably late in with this, but...

the film (F911) does hold up as a historical document.

Historical documents are some of the most biased things you could ever read.
This is taken into account when considering them.

Hes a good film maker, maybe a bit overzealous as an editor, but a good film maker never the less.

He makes some VERY heavyhanded comments on the bush administration, yet they seem to ring (mostly) true.

As such, no, hes not a moron, a bit reactionary and ptolemic, but not a moron.