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How would you run your government?
I am a Republican who believes in some democratic values.
(Pro choice, Pro-Gay)

lol

id love to try and turn america into an anarchy, but ya, impossible

Anarchism :sniper:

Well...if I could do anything like it was my own nationstate...

I'd become a dictator and start imperializing...possibly starting WW3

i would convert the government to Lannanism.
i would paint the white house baby blue,
and i would come to ns everyday... lol
when i get the world's coolest computer!

Well...if I could do anything like it was my own nationstate...

I'd become a dictator and start imperializing...possibly starting WW3
coolness! =) but war is bad...

I'd like to see someone Have an Imperialistic government and try to take over France.

France-" We have white in our flag for a reason"

coolness! =) but war is bad...

not for the economy

I would run it green. No I just said that to get flamed.

I would be democratic, moderately. Not hardcore bordering on socialist or anything.

War usually sparks the economy. The assembly of weapons creates numerous jobs.

War usually sparks the economy. The assembly of weapons creates numerous jobs.
i guess people would die for money...
haha... i wouldn't...

it would be great if all nations could always be at war

then everyone would have a great economy

we will just send all the soldiers to the moon lol

Also war usually pushes through the most scientific and technological advances in the shortest period of time, so it's not all bad.

it would be great if all nations could always be at war

then everyone would have a great economy

we will just send all the soldiers to the moon lol
lol

Don't forget about space exploration. That sparks new technology.

Also war usually pushes through the most scientific and technological advances in the shortest period of time, so it's not all bad.
true...

I'd do the following:

1)Repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments
2)Abolish the Federal Reserve and the IRS
3)Get us out of the UN, NAFTA, the WTO, NATO, and every other entangling alliance
4)Repeal the 1964 Civil Rights Act, not for its intent but for its infringement upon states' rights (but PLEASE don't call me racist for that! I have a brother who's half-black and many black and Asian friends)
5)Abolish every Department except for the Departments of State, Treasury, and (maybe) Justice
6)Get the federal government out of welfare completely; but allow the states to have welfare programs if they desired
7)Repeal the Social Security Act
8)Return us to gold and silver-backed currency
9)Revive the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee and the House Un-American Activities Committee
10)Remove all Council on Foreign Relations members, Trilateral Commission members, Bildebergers, etc. from the government as well as all other subversives
11)Drastically cut government spending
12)Eliminate each and every type of foreign aid
13)Return all illegal immigrants (not legal ones, though) to their respective countries and strength our borders
14)Make ourselves depend on foreign oil as little as possible
15)End federal aid to the states
16)Repeal the Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday and expose him for the slimeball he really was (a radical socialist, adulterer, woman abuser, traitor, etc.)
17)Return all troops home and abandon all our bases in foreign countries
18)Pursue a non-interventionist foreign policy
19)Bring a complete end to regulating businesses
20)Increase veterans' benefits
21)Split the Department of Defense back into the Departments of War, the Navy, and the Air Force
22)Break off diplomatic relations with all nations that still consider us 'the enemy' (i.e., Russia, China, Vietnam, etc.)
23)Leave law enforcement entirely to the states
24)Take FDR's face off the dime, Grant's face off the 50 dollar bill, Jackson's off the 20 dollar bill, Lincoln's off the penny and 5 dollar bill, and Kennedy's off the half-dollar. They would be replaced by: Calvin Coolidge (FDR); Robert E. Lee (Grant); John Adams (Jackson); James Madison (Lincoln); and James Monroe (Kennedy)
25)Proclaim a national holiday in honor of Booker T. Washington
26)Proclaim national holidays in honor of all the major Founding Fathers
27)Outlaw the Communist Party
28)Eliminate government spending toward NASA, scientific research, the arts, etc., and turn them over to the private sector
29)Reject the proposed gay marriage amendment and leave it up to the states to decide marriage policies
30)Give away all land owned by the federal government to the states

I'd declare a national "I Love LannaN Day," lol!

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I'd do the following:

Good thing you'll never be President ... but, then again, 90% of what you've stated isn't within the mandate of the President, so .... *shrug*

Good thing you'll never be President ... but, then again, 90% of what you've stated isn't within the mandate of the President, so .... *shrug*

You despise our Founding Fathers that much? They strongly believed in limited government, states' rights, no socialism or entangling alliances, etc... just as RB seems to believe.

i would paint the white house baby blue,


Terror level pink!

I would have a very, very liberal democratic system. I would expnad marriage equality, and establish an international minimum wage, enforced by enbargoes.

You're way out there. Robert E Lee would not be the best candidate for the 50. her supported the succession of the Confederate states from the US. lincoln deserves to be on the penny and 5 bill. He was one of the greatest, if not the best presidents we ever had.

We cannot return all illegal immigrants back to their respective states because the make up most of our economy now. Besides they do all of the crappy jobs that whites and blacks probably won't do.(no I'm not a racist)

Yes, we do need the justice department

I'd do the following:

1)Repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments
2)Abolish the Federal Reserve and the IRS
3)Get us out of the UN, NAFTA, the WTO, NATO, and every other entangling alliance
4)Repeal the 1964 Civil Rights Act, not for its intent but for its infringement upon states' rights (but PLEASE don't call me racist for that! I have a brother who's half-black and many black and Asian friends)
5)Abolish every Department except for the Departments of State, Treasury, and (maybe) Justice
6)Get the federal government out of welfare completely; but allow the states to have welfare programs if they desired
7)Repeal the Social Security Act
8)Return us to gold and silver-backed currency
9)Revive the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee and the House Un-American Activities Committee
10)Remove all Council on Foreign Relations members, Trilateral Commission members, Bildebergers, etc. from the government as well as all other subversives
11)Drastically cut government spending
12)Eliminate each and every type of foreign aid
13)Return all illegal immigrants (not legal ones, though) to their respective countries and strength our borders
14)Make ourselves depend on foreign oil as little as possible
15)End federal aid to the states
16)Repeal the Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday and expose him for the slimeball he really was (a radical socialist, adulterer, woman abuser, traitor, etc.)
17)Return all troops home and abandon all our bases in foreign countries
18)Pursue a non-interventionist foreign policy
19)Bring a complete end to regulating businesses
20)Increase veterans' benefits
21)Split the Department of Defense back into the Departments of War, the Navy, and the Air Force
22)Break off diplomatic relations with all nations that still consider us 'the enemy' (i.e., Russia, China, Vietnam, etc.)
23)Leave law enforcement entirely to the states
24)Take FDR's face off the dime, Grant's face off the 50 dollar bill, Jackson's off the 20 dollar bill, Lincoln's off the penny and 5 dollar bill, and Kennedy's off the half-dollar. They would be replaced by: Calvin Coolidge (FDR); Robert E. Lee (Grant); John Adams (Jackson); James Madison (Lincoln); and James Monroe (Kennedy)
25)Proclaim a national holiday in honor of Booker T. Washington
26)Proclaim national holidays in honor of all the major Founding Fathers
27)Outlaw the Communist Party
28)Eliminate government spending toward NASA, scientific research, the arts, etc., and turn them over to the private sector
29)Reject the proposed gay marriage amendment and leave it up to the states to decide marriage policies
30)Give away all land owned by the federal government to the states

You really have this down doncha? More so than I and I have Presidency on my eyes...

You're way out there. Robert E Lee would not be the best candidate for the 50. her supported the succession of the Confederate states from the US. lincoln deserves to be on the penny and 5 bill. He was one of the greatest, if not the best presidents we ever had.

We cannot return all illegal immigrants back to their respective states because the make up most of our economy now. Besides they do all of the crappy jobs that whites and blacks probably won't do.(no I'm not a racist)

Yes, we do need the justice department

You're permitted to disagree, but I agree with RB. Lincoln was a tyrant! :mad:

Don't forget about space exploration. That sparks new technology.

however, the american space program was a compleatly military endevour.

Therefore we as a people should put the militay in charge of our economy

now how exactly was lincoln a tyrant. I consider him one of the greatest presidents of all tme.

Quite poorly. If somehow I became president I am sure that congress would be passing mandatory resolution after mandatory resolution in an attempt to force me to spend money until they managed to impeach me. I'd appoint 3 cabinet officals; defense, state and the atorney general, and then give myself an acting temporary appointment over all other cabinet positions and fire the entire staffs, then I'd take on the three leftovers and pare them down. I'd go through every international treaty, and those which obligate the US to anything but free trade would be abrogated as fast as permissible under their terms - including UN and NATO membership. I'd do as much as possible to destroy the federal government before the congress managed to impeach me, but I doubt anything I did would last for long.

Why do you want to know?

Wow, Roach Busters... your a fascist?

Outlaw the Communist Party

I assume that also covers the Socialist Labour Party and Democratic Socialists of America?

I've voted for Socialism. Democratic Socialism to be exact.


...Fascist...

WOW!!! Nice office here!!

First priority is to remove all unnecessary forces from abroad.

Second is to revamp military spending, concentrating on defensive purposes only, and a solid plan to back UN initiatives when required.

Revoke the death penalty.

Establish a gun registry program.

Reduce number of nuclear weapons. Scrap any space shield technology.

Hand over control of Iraq to UN as quickly as possible.

Inform Israel to seek a peaceful solution to current impasse, and advise them that all aid/support will cease unless there is significant movement towards the desired goal.

Close all military bases in Arab countries.

Establish universal health care for all citizens.

Revamp the educational system.

Establish a program to stop homelessness....

And after lunch I will.....

If we hand over control to the UN they will just screw it up.

Are you seriously considering revoking the death penalty?
Would you let Timothy Mcveigh and Osama bin laden live?

If we hand over control to the UN they will just screw it up.

Are you seriously considering revoking the death penalty?
Would you let Timothy Mcveigh and Osama bin laden live?
The UN has done an admiral job of peacekeeping around the world. Besides, the Iraqis would prefer the UN than continued presence of their captors, who they are not exactly in love with.

Yes indeed, let them live and have the rest of their natural born lives to consider the consequences of their actions. Hopefully they would live a long, long, time behind bars. By executing these people, you give them freedom, well in the case of Bin Laden anyways. Why do them a favour?

And still I am the lone Communist .... neat!

The UN has done an admiral job of peacekeeping around the world

Really? What about Katanga? What about Somalia? Or Kosovo? Or Rwanda?

Wow, Roach Busters... your a fascist?



I assume that also covers the Socialist Labour Party and Democratic Socialists of America?

I've voted for Socialism. Democratic Socialism to be exact.


...Fascist...

How does that make me a fascist?

And in answer to your question, no, I would not outlaw the latter two parties.

Hallad, I would like an apology.

This is all under the assumption that Congress would agree to this, the Supreme Court would not find in unconstitutional, and that those instructed would listen to my suggestions in functions where I could not directly order these measures...


1. Consolidate most Federal departments, trimming their size, clearing out middlemen, etc...reduce funding, double up functions and such. Ideally there would be a Department of State, Defense, Treasury, Justice, and National Infrastructre & Interior.

2. Return many functions such as drug laws and weapons laws to the states, provided that their actions do not violate the Constitution. Highways within each state would be subject to that state alone.

3. Eliminate the Brady Bill, Affirmative action programs (instead relying upon hirings and selection based soley on merit, race, sex, or creed will not be a factor), give incentives that NASA be in part equipped and funded by private firms, though with federal inspection.

4. Increase defense spending and increase the size of the United States Military, adding at least two full infantry divisions to the Army, reactivate another Armored division, and add at least one division sized-formation to the Marines.

5. Return abortion laws to each state

6. Return many Education responsibilities to the states and eliminate No Child Left Behind Act

7. Repeal the USA Patriot Act, save several provisions which are actually beneficial without borderline infringing on rights...aka allowing for information sharing and cooperation between branches of government and law enforcement.

8. Withdraw from NAFTA, introduce heavy tariffs on items coming in from US corporations that have shifted their operations overseas and placing tariffs upon products manufactured by First world corporations in 3rd world nations.

9. Relax immigration laws save backround checks and terrorist warning lists.

10. Sever ties with the People's Republic of China and recognize the independence of The Republic of China (Taiwan) and Tibet.

11. Publically support a "free and united Ireland"

12. Support the UK in its opposition to the EU and if need be, sign a defence agreement with the UK exclusive of NATO

13. Place trade sanctions on the PRC

14. In Iraq, continue with present policy with interim government, however publically go on Iraqi radio and television, and explain that there will be an amnesty for militants to turn in weapons and affirm loyalty to a democratic Iraqi government and thus gain full voting rights. I will also state for that those who continue their now treasonous resistance after the deadline, "the gloves will come off"...

15. Make a defence pact with Russia, involving aid in both military and civilian technology in addition to financial aid. In exchance, Russia will place several motor rifle divisions in Iraq, which will be trained on the job by American advisors and equipped with new technology. Also, the United States will sanction Russian measures in Chechnya as acts of national defence and security. Hopefully this will free up American units.

16. Surplus American units will be sent from Iraq, and deployed in a massive sweep of the border tribal regions of Afghanistan, in an effort to find Osam Bin Laden and his cohorts.

17. Revamp the Dealth penalty system, limiting appeals to three, shortening execution schedules but allowing DNA testing to be used when requested. Execution will consist of a firing squad, the family of the criminal will be billed for the bullet used.

I'd do the following:

1)Repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments
2)Abolish the Federal Reserve and the IRS
3)Get us out of the UN, NAFTA, the WTO, NATO, and every other entangling alliance
4)Repeal the 1964 Civil Rights Act, not for its intent but for its infringement upon states' rights (but PLEASE don't call me racist for that! I have a brother who's half-black and many black and Asian friends)
5)Abolish every Department except for the Departments of State, Treasury, and (maybe) Justice
6)Get the federal government out of welfare completely; but allow the states to have welfare programs if they desired
7)Repeal the Social Security Act
8)Return us to gold and silver-backed currency
9)Revive the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee and the House Un-American Activities Committee
10)Remove all Council on Foreign Relations members, Trilateral Commission members, Bildebergers, etc. from the government as well as all other subversives
11)Drastically cut government spending
12)Eliminate each and every type of foreign aid
13)Return all illegal immigrants (not legal ones, though) to their respective countries and strength our borders
14)Make ourselves depend on foreign oil as little as possible
15)End federal aid to the states
16)Repeal the Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday and expose him for the slimeball he really was (a radical socialist, adulterer, woman abuser, traitor, etc.)
17)Return all troops home and abandon all our bases in foreign countries
18)Pursue a non-interventionist foreign policy
19)Bring a complete end to regulating businesses
20)Increase veterans' benefits
21)Split the Department of Defense back into the Departments of War, the Navy, and the Air Force
22)Break off diplomatic relations with all nations that still consider us 'the enemy' (i.e., Russia, China, Vietnam, etc.)
23)Leave law enforcement entirely to the states
24)Take FDR's face off the dime, Grant's face off the 50 dollar bill, Jackson's off the 20 dollar bill, Lincoln's off the penny and 5 dollar bill, and Kennedy's off the half-dollar. They would be replaced by: Calvin Coolidge (FDR); Robert E. Lee (Grant); John Adams (Jackson); James Madison (Lincoln); and James Monroe (Kennedy)
25)Proclaim a national holiday in honor of Booker T. Washington
26)Proclaim national holidays in honor of all the major Founding Fathers
27)Outlaw the Communist Party
28)Eliminate government spending for NASA, scientific research, the arts, etc., and turn them over to the private sector
29)Reject the proposed gay marriage amendment and leave it up to the states to decide marriage policies
30)Give away all land owned by the federal government to the states

I forgot a few important ones:

31)Re-establish diplomatic relations with the Republic of China (aka Taiwan) and recognize it as China's only legitimate government
32)Repeal the Gestapo- er, I mean, Patriot- Act
33)Repeal every treaty that would entangle us in any kind of foreign war
34)Immediately withdraw each and every troop from Iraq
35)Demand that the North Koreans, Vietnamese, Laotians, etc. return each and every one of our POWs they are still holding; if they refuse, bomb the living hell out of them until they comply
36)Leave policies regarding religion in schools, the workplace, etc. to state and local governments
37)Never again fight a war without a congressional declaration of war
38)Outlaw or severely restrict the activities of the ACLU
39)Minimize or eliminate the influence of big corporations on politics
40)Adopt the motto, "Equal rights to all, special privileges to none."
41)Appoint a Supreme Court Chief Justice who would repeal Roe v. Wade because of its violation of the 10 Amendment
42)Eliminate all gun control and environmental-protection laws, turning them over to the states instead
43)Sharply increase military spending, but decrease spending in all other areas
44)Appoint only constitutionalists to the Supreme Court
45)Appoint to my cabinet only men and women of integrity, unconditional patriotism, and strong moral character

side note: just because you are related to black people doesnt make you not racist

side note: just because you are related to black people doesnt make you not racist

I'm not racist, though.

I'd actually listen to people. Oh wait, it's America, so the people are all stupid. It must be true, Michael Moore told me.

Hey, flame me.

This was technically known as sarcasm btw. :gundge:

C'mon, people, let's keep posting! This thread is cool, I wanna keep it alive!

I'd gradually turn it into the Soviet Union, only with a worse economy, then I'd embezzle a load of money and run away.

I'd gradually turn it into the Soviet Union, only with a worse economy, then I'd embezzle a load of money and run away.

Seriously?

I'm not racist, though.


No ... you'd just let them be forced to live under Jim Crowe laws because "the State has that right" ... after all ... if them n*ggers don't like it, they can move, right? [/sarcasm]

You are a racist. Deal with it.

No ... you'd just let them be forced to live under Jim Crowe laws because "the State has that right" ... after all ... if them n*ggers don't like it, they can move, right? [/sarcasm]

You are a racist. Deal with it.

Fuck you. I am NOT a racist.

Seriously?

If I thought I could get away with it.

If not, I guess I'd just be one of those bland presidents that never does much... until I embezzle a load of money and run away!

I'd immediately give it straight back to Britain, and use its considerable resources to direct a few other lost children back to the Mother government. and a few of those never guided correctly. *looks at France on the globe*

You can all decide how serious I'm being.

Also, assuming, just for a second that this question also said, (or were the respective leader of your own nation) then I would pull Britain out of the EU, strengthen British unity.
Upgrade some other part of Britain other than London.
strengthen Scottish fishing, subsidising them until Cod stocks were replenished. Stop other nations fishing in our waters.
Immediately cut all cuts in the military funding, and unscrap the vessels we will be scrapping. Increase military funding, and ensure Iraq is in a good state before I left.
Cancel all debt owed to Britain, and help the nations in need with practical aid. (that's, not electronic money, but equipment, and practical assistance in agriculture. the sooner that nation is rich, the sooner it makes us all richer. Both win.)
There's a lot more stuff that I'd do, but that's the gist of it.

oh yeah and i guess ill play and do a nice numbered list


1) implement full health care coverage for every american and have the government work with the medical industry to stop screwing people
2) eliminate the FBA and CIA and replace them with a single agency with a single head and have them do both home and foreign intelligence
3) new amendment or act reinforcing and increasing the power of the establishment clause
4) repeal any and all laws, codes, and acts that add any form of religion (atheism is not areligion mr radical right wingers) from the government
5) tell the states to bite me and implement gay marriage at state level (Because we CANT make churches do jack, which it doesnt matter because church wedding dont make it official)
6) create a commitee/tribunal to oversee all court cases where the party is seeking monetary retribution. this panel will jduge whether or not the lawsuit is frivolous, and if so the case is thrown out of court and the plaintiff and lawyer are fined
7) repeal the electoral college and implement a direct election of the president by the people
8) remove any and all funding for ridiculous groups and research (can you say study of cow flatulence on ozone)
9) eliminate all forms of affirmative action or at the very least streamline it and reward affirmatigve action benefits on an ad hoc basis
10) increase minimum wage
11) increase funding to necesary long range projects: ie hydrogen fueled cars (should have plenty from cutting out the inane governemnt funded studies)
12) stop handing out retributions and friendships to other countries on ad hoc basis and for political reasons: this recent crap about cuba
13) implement act and or amendment reiterating and giving the power to declare war solely to congress, add policing actions to federal definition of "war"
14)stop playing politics with illegal immigrants. either ship them out or require all immigrants caught escaping to this country to become citizens of the country
15) stop pretending war is coming from the sky and step up control and observation of all borders and people coming in throguh either flgiht or ship from other countries, all passengers must be checked, to the devil with racial profiling or ad hoc decisions
16) increase funding for technology step ups in the military and police forces
17) enact laws to allow for 3rd patries to become more legitimate and make it easier for them to be on the ballto
18) make the federal government balance its stupid budget and responsible for its spending

mroe when i get to them

I'm not racist, though.
you are one of 2 things: racist or naive, take your pick

you are one of 2 things: racist or naive, take your pick

Neither. What the hell is 'racist' or 'naive' about believing in states' rights?

Fuck you. I am NOT a racist.

Yet you'd repeal the Civil Rights Act, which ended Jim Crowe laws ...

You are a racist.

id have the balls to actually say wat i think. im sick of politicians saying crap. id make me point clear instead of jump around the place. keep abortion legal, make drugs legal, make gay marriage legal, and call lots of world leaders throughout the day just for the heck of it

Yet you'd repeal the Civil Rights Act, which ended Jim Crowe laws ...

You are a racist.

Sorry I flamed. That was uncalled for. I just don't like being called racist. I'd only repeal it because it violates the 10th Amendment. I'm all in favor of civil rights laws, as long as they're made by state and local governments. And if I were racist, would I proclaim a national holiday in honor of Booker T. Washington?

Neither. What the hell is 'racist' or 'naive' about believing in states' rights?
fine you are naive
you believe if left to themselves they will do whats right. oh yeah that has ALWAYS worked

Fuck you. I am NOT a racist.
wat are u then? im not saying yer racist or mock u i just want to know wat ud consider yerself. im to thick to determine if tat means yer racist or not

id have the balls to actually say wat i think. im sick of politicians saying crap. id make me point clear instead of jump around the place. keep abortion legal, make drugs legal, make gay marriage legal, and call lots of world leaders throughout the day just for the heck of it
oh yeah, id be jumping down peoples throat, i can see it now

"This week the president would like to hold a press conference telling his detractors to go **** themselves."

oh yeah and id make all drugs that are illegal now, legal for medical use and marijuana legal period and make msot legal medical drugs illegal

fine you are naive
you believe if left to themselves they will do whats right. oh yeah that has ALWAYS worked

No, I'm just stupid and bad-tempered, as demonstrated by my response to Keruvalia. But like I said, I support states' rights, because that's what the 10 Amendment is all about. If that is naive, then I am naive.

oh yeah, id be jumping down peoples throat, i can see it now


"This week the president would like to hold a press conference telling his detractors to go **** themselves."

oh yeah and id make all drugs that are illegal now, legal for medical use and marijuana legal period and make msot legal medical drugs illegal
cheers id do the same, cept id go farther. id make acid and some other drugs legal. prbly shrooms and morning glory, or are those legal? i dont know one of me mates seemed to think so

wat are u then? im not saying yer racist or mock u i just want to know wat ud consider yerself. im to thick to determine if tat means yer racist or not

Again, I apologize for that ugly, idiotic comment. I believe in racial equality very much. Hell, I'd outlaw the Black Panthers and KKK...but I believe that issues like segregation are social evils, thus they should be dealt with by society, not government.

Again, I apologize for that ugly, idiotic comment. I believe in racial equality very much. Hell, I'd outlaw the Black Panthers and KKK...but I believe that issues like segregation are social evils, thus they should be dealt with by society, not government.
and i believe... wait, i KNOW society will not deal with social issues until FORCED by a third party, they are social evils because society is ****ing something up

and i believe... wait, i KNOW society will not deal with social issues until FORCED by a third party, they are social evils because society is ****ing something up

True, true, but I'm a sucker for following the constitution, and since the Civil Rights Act violates the 10th Amendment...

Again, I apologize for that ugly, idiotic comment. I believe in racial equality very much. Hell, I'd outlaw the Black Panthers and KKK...but I believe that issues like segregation are social evils, thus they should be dealt with by society, not government.
aye tat makes since, even to a thikie like me. the government shouldnt always step in and make a rule to tell us wats evil, i mean look at marijuana. ive yet to find anything truly evil bout tat, yet the government says it is.

I would give a medal to Sgt. Jimmy Masse of the United States Marines Corps

and i believe... wait, i KNOW society will not deal with social issues until FORCED by a third party, they are social evils because society is ****ing something up

If you're mocking me (even though I probably deserve it, lol) please stop.

I would give a medal to Sgt. Jimmy Masse of the United States Marines Corps

Who? (Sorry, the name doesn't ring a bell)

True, true, but I'm a sucker for following the constitution, and since the Civil Rights Act violates the 10th Amendment...
should i start quoting the constution proving its constitutional?

aye tat makes since, even to a thikie like me. the government shouldnt always step in and make a rule to tell us wats evil, i mean look at marijuana. ive yet to find anything truly evil bout tat, yet the government says it is.
whats evil about marijuana is the government is getting moeny slipped in their pockets so we cant have it

Guess I should throw out my numbered list ...
Obviously a President doesn't have this sort of power, but ...

1] Sieze all wealth and redistribute it to everyone equally.
2] Divide up all government owned lands - with the exception of national parks - and give anyone who doesn't already own land an equitable portion.
3] Abolish the military and establish a National Defense, which would never leave US borders under any circumstances.
4] Abolish private insurance and create a federal healthcare system where everyone is entitle to the same care - regardless.
5] Repeal the 10th ammendment and centralize the government.
6] Offer all US territories 100% statehood.
7] Ban all firearms unless they are in the hands of trained National Defense. If you want a gun, get trained, simple as that.
8] Dismantle all US weapons of mass destruction.
9] Write a formal apology to the rest of the world.
10] Make higher education compulsory.
11] Create stricter government controls on how businesses operate.

I suppose I could go on and on ... but you get the picture ...

which also reminds me

eliminate the three military branches and make a single military branch with a single head and have it split the jobs

Guess I should throw out my numbered list ...
Obviously a President doesn't have this sort of power, but ...

1] Sieze all wealth and redistribute it to everyone equally.
2] Divide up all government owned lands - with the exception of national parks - and give anyone who doesn't already own land an equitable portion.
3] Abolish the military and establish a National Defense, which would never leave US borders under any circumstances.
4] Abolish private insurance and create a federal healthcare system where everyone is entitle to the same care - regardless.
5] Repeal the 10th ammendment and centralize the government.
6] Offer all US territories 100% statehood.
7] Ban all firearms unless they are in the hands of trained National Defense. If you want a gun, get trained, simple as that.
8] Dismantle all US weapons of mass destruction.
9] Write a formal apology to the rest of the world.
10] Make higher education compulsory.
11] Create stricter government controls on how businesses operate.

I suppose I could go on and on ... but you get the picture ...

9) I agree with that one!

War usually sparks the economy. The assembly of weapons creates numerous jobs.

No it doesn't


Why?

Cause the nation doing the fighting i.e. US in Iraq, is frowned apon thus less people from overseas buy from them.....= more unemployment and economic growth.

Ironically, though for the suffering country, everything is rebuilt as new and in decades, the economy booms e.g. Germany and Japan since WWII.

should i start quoting the constution proving its constitutional?

Quote the 10th Amendment, if you'd like.

whats evil about marijuana is the government is getting moeny slipped in their pockets so we cant have it
lol, yer prbly right. i was wondering why they dont bloody make it legal, but tats prbly true. i dont think its evil, i think if it was legal and all this crap they put on it wasnt there it would be good.

No it doesn't


Why?

Cause the nation doing the fighting i.e. US in Iraq, is frowned apon thus less people from overseas buy from them.....= more unemployment and economic growth.

Ironically, though for the suffering country, everything is rebuilt as new and in decades, the economy booms e.g. Germany and Japan since WWII.

War can help or hurt an economy.

Help: World War II
Hurt: Our current war

Who? (Sorry, the name doesn't ring a bell)
A sgt Who wanted to Figth for his country...Ready to die and all...
And he had to go tru Hell...worst than Dying...

oh yeah and i guess ill play and do a nice numbered list


1) implement full health care coverage for every american and have the government work with the medical industry to stop screwing people
2) eliminate the FBA and CIA and replace them with a single agency with a single head and have them do both home and foreign intelligence
3) new amendment or act reinforcing and increasing the power of the establishment clause
4) repeal any and all laws, codes, and acts that add any form of religion (atheism is not areligion mr radical right wingers) from the government
5) tell the states to bite me and implement gay marriage at state level (Because we CANT make churches do jack, which it doesnt matter because church wedding dont make it official)
6) create a commitee/tribunal to oversee all court cases where the party is seeking monetary retribution. this panel will jduge whether or not the lawsuit is frivolous, and if so the case is thrown out of court and the plaintiff and lawyer are fined
7) repeal the electoral college and implement a direct election of the president by the people
8) remove any and all funding for ridiculous groups and research (can you say study of cow flatulence on ozone)
9) eliminate all forms of affirmative action or at the very least streamline it and reward affirmatigve action benefits on an ad hoc basis
10) increase minimum wage
11) increase funding to necesary long range projects: ie hydrogen fueled cars (should have plenty from cutting out the inane governemnt funded studies)
12) stop handing out retributions and friendships to other countries on ad hoc basis and for political reasons: this recent crap about cuba
13) implement act and or amendment reiterating and giving the power to declare war solely to congress, add policing actions to federal definition of "war"
14)stop playing politics with illegal immigrants. either ship them out or require all immigrants caught escaping to this country to become citizens of the country
15) stop pretending war is coming from the sky and step up control and observation of all borders and people coming in throguh either flgiht or ship from other countries, all passengers must be checked, to the devil with racial profiling or ad hoc decisions
16) increase funding for technology step ups in the military and police forces
17) enact laws to allow for 3rd patries to become more legitimate and make it easier for them to be on the ballto
18) make the federal government balance its stupid budget and responsible for its spending

mroe when i get to them

19) eliminate the branches of the military and make a single military under a single head that performs all military actions as needed by trained personell
20) make all weapons that can be mofidied to fully automatic illegal and all weapons bigger than a hunting rifle illegal (to civilians, if you want one join the friggin military)
21) tag and track all weapons, make weapons only avialable at sanctioned shops

I would probably run as a Green.

I'd do the following:

6)Get the federal government out of welfare completely
14)Make ourselves depend on foreign oil as little as possible
20)Increase veterans' benefits
22)Break off diplomatic relations with all nations that still consider us 'the enemy' (i.e., Russia, China, Vietnam, etc.)
26)Proclaim national holidays in honor of all the major Founding Fathers
27)Outlaw the Communist Party
28)Eliminate government spending toward NASA, scientific research, the arts, etc., and turn them over to the private sector

Are you an anarchist of some sort? You seem to want to do away with government completely and retreat entirely from the world.

#6 and #20 contradict each other

#14 - I like this one

#22 - Russia? The USSR ended 10 years ago.
China? Isn't there like $200 billion in trade between both of you annually?
Vietnam? As I recall, Bill Clinton was warmly recieved there a couple of years ago.

#26 and #27 seem to contradict each other. Weren't the founding fathers against any government action to silence political dissent and free speech?

#28 - OK that's basically sending the economy to hell.

Seriously, there are only two things worth doing while president.

1. Have fun at the expense of the population
2. Get rich at the expense of the population

Quote the 10th Amendment, if you'd like.
thats not all im quoting, there is other parts of the constitution, the 10th amendment is easily loopholed around, well not easily but its still loopholable

Amendment 10

The power not delegated to the United States by the Constitution , nor prohibited to it by the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Article 5

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.


as soon as something is made an amendment the 10th amendments effect on it becomes null and void

I would probably run as a Green.


Are you an anarchist of some sort? You seem to want to do away with government completely and retreat entirely from the world.

#6 and #20 contradict each other

#14 - I like this one

#22 - Russia? The USSR ended 10 years ago.
China? Isn't there like $200 billion in trade between both of you annually?
Vietnam? As I recall, Bill Clinton was warmly recieved there a couple of years ago.

#26 and #27 seem to contradict each other. Weren't the founding fathers against any government action to silence political dissent and free speech?

#28 - OK that's basically sending the economy to hell.
roach busters wants the cosntitution followed to a t, the conervative righ t so no freedom of speech, assembly, or press but make sure people have guns

Sorry I flamed. That was uncalled for. I just don't like being called racist. I'd only repeal it because it violates the 10th Amendment. I'm all in favor of civil rights laws, as long as they're made by state and local governments. And if I were racist, would I proclaim a national holiday in honor of Booker T. Washington?


No harm, no foul.

However, you must realize that the 10th Ammendment works on a small scale with few people. When society reaches a larger scale, things change - just like in any natural order.

So, if you repeal the Civil Rights Act, you're allowing states to reinact things like the Jim Crowe laws (I'm lookin' at you, Alabama) and there would be nothing anyone could do about it. Granted, the rioting and bloodshed would make for spectacular television, but so long as Congress has the right to use the US Army National Guard to enforce its laws, things are relatively sane.

I mean ... imagine you live in a state where it was decided that White folks can't go outside in the evening and can only go grocery shopping on Thursdays and may only use public parks on Monday morning? It's not completely out of the question ...

Let's say Utah decides it is a Mormon state and requires all non-Mormons to wear badges on their arm and are thus restricted in their day to day lives? Perhaps non-Mormon marriages will not be recognized.

How about Mississippi deciding that all but 4 counties will be "Whites Only"?

Does this not violate our Constitutional right to not only full faith and credit but our right to unrestricted travel in these various states?

The Jim Crowe laws were unconstitutional, hence, the Civil Rights Act.

If you do still insist on repealing it, how about a better solution in return? I wouldn't rely on the good-nature of people to do the right thing ... the internet is a microcosm and just these forums alone are full of flaming, angry, moronic, ignorant slobs.

I would probably run as a Green.


Are you an anarchist of some sort? You seem to want to do away with government completely and retreat entirely from the world.

#6 and #20 contradict each other

#14 - I like this one

#22 - Russia? The USSR ended 10 years ago.
China? Isn't there like $200 billion in trade between both of you annually?
Vietnam? As I recall, Bill Clinton was warmly recieved there a couple of years ago.

#26 and #27 seem to contradict each other. Weren't the founding fathers against any government action to silence political dissent and free speech?

#28 - OK that's basically sending the economy to hell.

I'm not an anarchist. Anarchists favor no government. I favor limited government.

[QUOTE=Keruvalia]No harm, no foul.
\QUOTE]

Wanna bury the hatchet? You made some excellent points in your post.

thats not all im quoting, there is other parts of the constitution, the 10th amendment is easily loopholed around, well not easily but its still loopholable

Amendment 10

The power not delegated to the United States by the Constitution , nor prohibited to it by the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Article 5

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.


as soon as something is made an amendment the 10th amendments effect on it becomes null and void

Anyone have a dunce cap I can borrow?

Wanna bury the hatchet? You made some excellent points in your post.

What hatchet? ;) I wouldn't worry about it ... my temper is the opposite of yours (no offense, but you did admit to a short fuse :D ) and I tend to not worry about the flame and try to get to the meat of the discussion.

Tell ya what, I'll buy the Guinness and you tell me what you'd do in place of the Civil Rights Act.

Anyone have a dunce cap I can borrow?
what rule in the civil rights act is not already given in the constitution

not to mention what is your damn problem with it

roach busters wants the cosntitution followed to a t, the conervative righ t so no freedom of speech, assembly, or press but make sure people have guns

When the hell did I say those things?

what rule in the civil rights act is not already given in the constitution

not to mention what is your damn problem with it

Uh...I dunno, but how 'bout a dunce cap? I feel like wearing one now!

When the hell did I say those things?
reinstating the UAC and outlawing the communist party

What hatchet? ;) I wouldn't worry about it ... my temper is the opposite of yours (no offense, but you did admit to a short fuse :D ) and I tend to not worry about the flame and try to get to the meat of the discussion.

Tell ya what, I'll buy the Guinness and you tell me what you'd do in place of the Civil Rights Act.

Thanks. I like you. You're a very civil, mature, forgiving person.

I would probably run as a Green.


Are you an anarchist of some sort? You seem to want to do away with government completely and retreat entirely from the world.

#6 and #20 contradict each other

#14 - I like this one

#22 - Russia? The USSR ended 10 years ago.
China? Isn't there like $200 billion in trade between both of you annually?
Vietnam? As I recall, Bill Clinton was warmly recieved there a couple of years ago.

#26 and #27 seem to contradict each other. Weren't the founding fathers against any government action to silence political dissent and free speech?

#28 - OK that's basically sending the economy to hell.

#6 and #20- Not really, because veterans fought for the country so they earned it

#14- Yeah, my grammar sucks

#22- As for Russia, read 'New Lies For Old' and 'The Perestroika Deception' by Soviet defector Anatoliy Golitsyn, or the journal 'Soviet Analysis' (which I wouldn't recommend, because it's 350 bucks a year!); yes, China and Vietnam still consider us 'the main enemy'

#26- Okay, let me re-phrase it; the Communist Party can be legal, so long as they do not permit anyone advocating the overthrow of the U.S. to join them

#28- Er, what was 28 again? I'll go back and check...not that it matters, because isn't 'hell' where our economy is now?

i want to know what you disagree with the civil rights act

(and i can technically quote article 6 section 2 too)

reinstating the UAC and outlawing the communist party

It would only investigate subversive individuals or groups and only if they had 100% proof that those they were investigating were subversive; plus, obviously, they would need permission of the court; as for the communist party, see one of my latter posts (page 7, I believe)

Thanks. I like you. You're a very civil, mature, forgiving person.

I don't see any reason not to be ... although, it does seem the majority of folks here are kids (14-17) and I'm 32 and (usually) with age comes a sense of civility.

That, and I believe in the will of the people - especially that of the working class - and would never take away the rights of another person to believe as they will so long as that will is not imposed on others. (of course, but then, I am a Communist ;) )

Never minding all that, I enjoy the hell out of lively discussion. Where would we be without it!

i want to know what you disagree with the civil rights act

(and i can technically quote article 6 section 2 too)

I don't, now that you've given me your proof that it doesn't violate the constitution; hence, my request for a dunce cap.

I don't see any reason not to be ... although, it does seem the majority of folks here are kids (14-17) and I'm 32 and (usually) with age comes a sense of civility.

That, and I believe in the will of the people - especially that of the working class - and would never take away the rights of another person to believe as they will so long as that will is not imposed on others. (of course, but then, I am a Communist ;) )

Never minding all that, I enjoy the hell out of lively discussion. Where would we be without it!

Are you a Stalinist communist, or the kind that believes in peaceful co-existence with non-communists as well as political freedoms?

It would only investigate subversive individuals or groups and only if they had 100% proof that those they were investigating were subversive; plus, obviously, they would need permission of the court; as for the communist party, see one of my latter posts (page 7, I believe)
and the FCC is only ensuring parents dont have to do their job and yeah i read that i sorta agree

and the FCC is only ensuring parents dont have to do their job

Huh?

I don't, now that you've given me your proof that it doesn't violate the constitution; hence, my request for a dunce cap.
if your only reason for opposing it was believing it was against hte constitution (unless you are mocking me about believing me), that is a horrible reason

if your only reason for opposing it was believing it was against hte constitution (unless you are mocking me about believing me), that is a horrible reason

It was the reason; and I never said I hated it, I just disagreed with it. But since it's completely constitutional...I give it two thumbs up!

Are you a Stalinist communist, or the kind that believes in peaceful co-existence with non-communists as well as political freedoms?

Think more along the lines of Trotsky and Guevara ... I do believe in peaceful co-existence provided the will of the people is never usurped ... otherwise "Viva la Revolucion!!" :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

Huh?
the FCC is a watchdog group doing what the government cant: limiting freedom of speech and press unconditionally.

and i believe parents dont do their job, they sit their kids in front of the tv expecting it to be good and good for them, without even checking out thewta they are seeting them out to watch, and if the kids see something the parents disagree with, they get pissed and blame the people that were on the show of all people

parents need to learn to blame them damn selves

parents need to learn to blame them damn selves

You got that right!

parents need to learn to blame them damn selves

I blame myself ... but, then, I don't really watch TV and my kids generally follow suit ... although we do watch an inordinate amount of movies ... and the only radio I ever listen to is NPR ... and as for a computer, I tell my kids the same thing my dad told me, "You can have a computer when you build one yourself."

[QUOTE=Roach-Busters

#22- As for Russia, read 'New Lies For Old' and 'The Perestroika Deception' by Soviet defector Anatoliy Golitsyn, or the journal 'Soviet Analysis' (which I wouldn't recommend, because it's 350 bucks a year!); yes, China and Vietnam still consider us 'the main enemy'[/QUOTE]

Well, to be honest i'd expect a lot of countries to consider the USA the 'main enemy' at the moment.
Anyway, maybe i'm biased because i'm from Britain but i don't agree with most of your ideas, i reckon a socialist government works better for more people, but that's just me...

Isn't anybody here forgetting the real reason that states don't have as many rights as they used to?

it's a little thing called The American Civil War.

doesn't anybody remember that The Confederate States of America wanted to suceed(probably not spelled right) from the union because of their views of slavery.

We don't need to get rid of the Cia and have one intelligence agency that controls interior and exterior intelligence. That system can easily fail with one person in control of it. It is the decision of the president to decide which information is credible.

The only two policies of any of yours that I agree with is the end to federal welfare and the curtailing of peace talks with enemy nations. Fuck um. Welfare needs to be controlled by someone else, not the government.

btw- I also do believe in veterans benefits and higher wages for certain professions.

exactly how i run my country on here.

For a basic Idea on how the US (or any other nation for that matter) would
be run... check out my nation...

Is it possible to see the nations stats?

You know, Happyness, Education, ect?

That would be interesting...

[QUOTE=Roach-Busters

#22- As for Russia, read 'New Lies For Old' and 'The Perestroika Deception' by Soviet defector Anatoliy Golitsyn, or the journal 'Soviet Analysis' (which I wouldn't recommend, because it's 350 bucks a year!); yes, China and Vietnam still consider us 'the main enemy'

Well, to be honest i'd expect a lot of countries to consider the USA the 'main enemy' at the moment.
Anyway, maybe i'm biased because i'm from Britain but i don't agree with most of your ideas, i reckon a socialist government works better for more people, but that's just me...[/QUOTE]

Good point. I must also highly commend you for disagreeing without being a flaming jerk like I was earlier to, uh...damn, I forgot his name...

Seriously, there are only two things worth doing while president.

1. Have fun at the expense of the population
2. Get rich at the expense of the populationDon't forget sex in the oval office. No cheap blow jobs in the closet either, full bore freak sex on the carpet with seal of the US on it.

Good point. I must also highly commend you for disagreeing without being a flaming jerk like I was earlier to, uh...damn, I forgot his name...

lol true u were, but you apologised, so its all good

I'd immediately give it straight back to Britain, and use its considerable resources to direct a few other lost children back to the Mother government. and a few of those never guided correctly. *looks at France on the globe*

You can all decide how serious I'm being.


lol good idea, we can all head over to the south of France to keep warm during the winter...or summer if every summer is gonna have as *great* weather as this one

I voted other, because there is no separation (in the choices offered) between Democrat and liberal. If there were, I would have voted liberal. America's founding fathers were the essence of modern liberalism. The current Democratic party is nothing but failed, re-hashed socialism.