NationStates Jolt Archive

Is he right?

An doctor who appears to care about animals more than his patients was quoted as saying:

I think for the loss of maybe 5, 10, 15 human lives, we could save 10, 15, 20 million non-human ones.
and he also said that the use of animals for human medical research was comparable to the oppresion of jews by the nazis.

Of course, I believe these are terrible things to say, and completely silly. But should he be banned from entering the country because he said it? Well, that's what our beloved Mr.Blunkett wants to do, even though the Doctor has pointed out that in none of what he said did he say that he actually wanted to kill scientists, just expressed his beliefs.

Discuss.

"Can this rapist enter the country Mr. Blunkett"

'I don't see why not, it will help thousands of small businessmen in the Manchester area'

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"Can this doctor who likes animals enter the country Mr. Blunkett?"

'No he is obviously a dangerous tree hugging pinko liberal.'


And some ask me why I want to emigrate. :rolleyes:

its their damn country they can do whatever they want

Both me and AiF live in Britain.

:rolleyes:

Yes Whittier, whatever you say

*shakes head*, honestly. If you're going to try to be controversial, at least put some *effort* into it.

:rolleyes:

Yes Whittier, whatever you say

*shakes head*, honestly. If you're going to try to be controversial, at least put some *effort* into it.
stop following me you dumbass

Both me and AiF live in Britain.
my mistake

stop following me you dumbass

Hello? Public board? What you write is visible to people? Basics of internet?

And if you complain about me replying to this, let me point out that you did, in fact, address a statement to me.

Hello? Public board? What you write is visible to people? Basics of internet?

And if you complain about me replying to this, let me point out that you did, in fact, address a statement to me.
well, you are following me. or is it just coincidence

If he has no criminal record, he should be allowed in, unless he has announced he intends to break the law once he's here. Anything else, including Blunkett, is silly.

Shaed, Whittier-... knock it off.

As for the original post, when did England reinstate exile? Or is he a non-Brit seeking entry?

Either way, it doesn't much matter. Blocking / kicking-out will just make him bitch louder.

i dont see the issue

Its all true, under various biases

dont people believe in free speech?

I apologized in that other thread, think I'll apologize in this one too, since this is where I made the comment.

Shaed, Whittier-... knock it off.

As for the original post, when did England reinstate exile? Or is he a non-Brit seeking entry?

Either way, it doesn't much matter. Blocking / kicking-out will just make him bitch louder.
He's from the US, Whittier misquotes him on a quote the good doctor says was taken out of context, and the government (Blunkett) is only investigating the accuracy of a newspaper article which charecterized the good doctor as advocating the killing of medical researchers - if it is accurate they government will consider banning him from the country as would they a racist who advocates killing Pakis.

So with these clarifications for those of us who don't live in the UK, we can rephrase the question, should the UK be allowed to ban foreigners who advocate the killing of medical researchers from entering?

where is the US doctor advocating killing? What he says is not: "I think we should kill all the medical researchers" He just states the fact that if they were to be killed, millions of animals would not be.

Don't take this the wrong way, I disagree with what he says. I just think that in a free country we should be allowed to say what we want.

Also I must express my disgust at the word you use for Pakistanis. Even if you didn't mean it that way, you still shouldn't say it.

***sorry for not getting back to you sooner, but work and web-surfing aren't always compatable, darn bosses actually expect me to do something for the money they pay me.***

where is the US doctor advocating killing? Apparently at at a Washington DC animal rights shindig. I don't have time to look up the exact wording, but it went something along the lines of: If someone were to kill medical researchers, it wouldn't take many, 5 or 10 or 20, it would save the lives of millions of animals. Whether or not this consitutes advocacy of killing people or is even the doctors opinion is sorta an open question, but the doctor in qestion (Valsik ?sp) was portrayed in an Observer article a while ago as advocating killing medical researchers. Again, the doctor says his words were taken out of context and that may be true, but the Observer article should be enough to make the issue worth investigating. If in fact the Home Office finds that the doctor was not advocating killing medical researchers they have no intention of preventing the doctor from entering the UK, but if they find he was advocating killing medical researchers they have every intention of keeping the doctor out.

As for the use of Paki, point taken about its offensveness. As a note though, Paki, while it used to be short for Pakistani, is a more generic term now with religous overtones. I used it for the shock value, if the good doctor is shortlisted from the UK for advocating the killing of medical researchers it will be for the same reason the UK tries to keep out foreigners who advocate racial cleansing. less offensive?

Well, Blunkett has already ripped up the Magna Carta, that most cherished of British documents, spitting in the face of democracy and liberty and everything he as a minister is supposed to stand for. He wants to chip and track released criminals via satellite, he wants ID cards, he can hold people without charge in the UK, he wants to stop animal rights protestors protesting in public places, now he wants to ban free speech? Why don't we just abolish other political parties and get barcodes tatooed into our necks?

Is he right?

An doctor who appears to care about animals more than his patients was quoted as saying:


and he also said that the use of animals for human medical research was comparable to the oppresion of jews by the nazis.

Of course, I believe these are terrible things to say, and completely silly. But should he be banned from entering the country because he said it? Well, that's what our beloved Mr.Blunkett wants to do, even though the Doctor has pointed out that in none of what he said did he say that he actually wanted to kill scientists, just expressed his beliefs.

Discuss.

he should immediately and unquestioningly be removed from the medical profession, if he wants to practice still he can become a vet

As for the original post, when did England reinstate exile?

For certain values of the term "exile" (limiting travel from the so-called 'mainland' to Northern Ireland) in 1974 with the Prevention of Terrorism Act.

OK so they're keeping this guy out for his unusual views as regards the horrible practice of vivisection, but they still dither about deporting those Muslim extremists who loiter outside working-class mosques attempting to recruit terrorists to go to Pakistan?

He's from the US, Whittier misquotes him on a quote the good doctor says was taken out of context, and the government (Blunkett) is only investigating the accuracy of a newspaper article which charecterized the good doctor as advocating the killing of medical researchers - if it is accurate they government will consider banning him from the country as would they a racist who advocates killing Pakis.

So with these clarifications for those of us who don't live in the UK, we can rephrase the question, should the UK be allowed to ban foreigners who advocate the killing of medical researchers from entering?
I am misqouting who. I haven't qouted anyone in this thread.

I am misqouting who. I haven't qouted anyone in this thread.
Sorry Whittier, it was Anarchy Is Fun, in the original post.

Since I have the time now, the doctors name is Vlasak.
What he has actually been quoted as saying is "“I don’t think you’d have to kill too many [researchers]. I think five lives, ten lives fifteen human lives, we could save a million, two million, ten million non-human lives. If something bad happens to these people, it will discourage others. It is inevitable that violence will be used.”

I reserve judgement on whether the quote was taken out of context, something BLunkett is also doing, although he is bothering to investigate unlike me. I think it reasonable to investigate to see whether or Vlasaak is in fact advocating killing people, given the accusation in the newspaper that he was, apparently some people don't.

stop following me you dumbass

oops, namecalling?