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since there's so much debate over the Bible currently, i don't think it would hurt if i threw this in: the Bible Code.

now, now, before you all denounce it as "religious fantasy" and "complete utter nonsense", why don't you buy the book, read it over, then come at me again?

how is it possible that these books written over 3,000 years ago prophesise world events today? the torah was reputed to be dictated by God Himself and scribed by Moses who wrote it down word-by-word, letter-by-letter. People who wants scientific and mathematical proof of God, here it is.

The guy who wrote the bible code (Drosnin or something?) is athiest.

The book works on letter sequencing, taking every 2nd, 3rd, 4th letter and so on and searching for words and phrases in the result.

Some skeptical types did exactly the same thing with some other famous novels, and got similar results, meaning you can probably find anything you like using these methods in a large enough text.

The guy who wrote the bible code (Drosnin or something?) is athiest.

The book works on letter sequencing, taking every 2nd, 3rd, 4th letter and so on and searching for words and phrases in the result.

Some skeptical types did exactly the same thing with some other famous novels, and got similar results, meaning you can probably find anything you like using these methods in a large enough text.

really? i read that some skeptical types doing the same thing with other famous novels COULD NOT come up with the similar results. if there are are there published examples?

the torah throws out things like arafat, kennedy, sadat, clinton, bush, bin laden etc. etc. that seems pretty scary to me...

The same thing was done with Moby Dick.

The same thing was done with Moby Dick.

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interesting read. drosnin claims that "DNA" was encoded in the part when God tells Abraham his descendants would amount to the number of sand grains on the seashore.

http://www.csicop.org/si/9711/bible-code.html

Before everyone gets bogged down in bible code this and bible code that, read the thesis at this address.

It essentially agrees that there are words hidden in the bible but has also been able to use the same code patterns for other books as well as randomly created sequences of letters.

Objectively, language is a random sequence of letters; are the same linked words found in the same places in french or german versions of the bible? That is an observation I would like to see. It would separate the bible out as having real messages whereas other translated works would lose their messages in translation. I would wager however that the bible too, just as any other piece of literature, would lose these codes in translation. It would of course have new ones but they would not correlate across languages.

Remember, read the whole thesis, it is put together beautifully and will answer all your questions.

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It ushered in the end of Drosnin...

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html

http://www.csicop.org/si/9711/bible-code.html

Before everyone gets bogged down in bible code this and bible code that, read the thesis at this address.

It essentially agrees that there are words hidden in the bible but has also been able to use the same code patterns for other books as well as randomly created sequences of letters.

Objectively, language is a random sequence of letters; are the same linked words found in the same places in french or german versions of the bible? That is an observation I would like to see. It would separate the bible out as having real messages whereas other translated works would lose their messages in translation. I would wager however that the bible too, just as any other piece of literature, would lose these codes in translation. It would of course have new ones but they would not correlate across languages.

Remember, read the whole thesis, it is put together beautifully and will answer all your questions.

Yup. There are words hidden in the Hebrew text, put there probably as anti-tampering devices. The priests would know of their existence, and where they were, so they could take any version of the text and see if it had been tampered with or not. This sort of word- and letter-game is not unusual: there are deliberately hidden codes in texts from ancient Welsh verses to Alice in Wonderland.

So far so normal. The mistake the authors of the Bible Code made was to assume that all the acrostic concoctions their computer program found are relevant and intentional: but since they can be found in any text of sufficient length, and of course working with the benefit of hindsight (i.e. setting out to hunt for references to "Hitler" or "Kennedy" or suchlike), it is clear that it's just a product of text written using an alphabetical script (as opposed to an ideographical script like Chinese). It works particularly well in Hebrew, since there are no vowels to complicate things.

The same thing was done with Moby Dick.
Did they find the white whale ? :D

since there's so much debate over the Bible currently, i don't think it would hurt if i threw this in: the Bible Code.

now, now, before you all denounce it as "religious fantasy" and "complete utter nonsense", why don't you buy the book, read it over, then come at me again?

how is it possible that these books written over 3,000 years ago prophesise world events today? the torah was reputed to be dictated by God Himself and scribed by Moses who wrote it down word-by-word, letter-by-letter. People who wants scientific and mathematical proof of God, here it is.
I know a great deal about bible prophecy. There is no "Bible Code"
That was just a book of fiction.
But a lot of the stuff predicted in the Bible has already come to past.

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interesting read. drosnin claims that "DNA" was encoded in the part when God tells Abraham his descendants would amount to the number of sand grains on the seashore.
I thought atheists didn't believe in God.

I know a great deal about bible prophecy. There is no "Bible Code"
That was just a book of fiction.
But a lot of the stuff predicted in the Bible has already come to past.

Such as... ?

oh...too bad...people are already criticising the book without reading it. :(

I have a terrible feeling right now, some where, there is an active net connection to N.S. Forums and some-one looking into a crystal ball or more correctly a bronze bowl of water, thinking they are communicating with Nostrodamus ... and we are going to hear about it.

:rolleyes:

oh...too bad...people are already criticising the book without reading it. :(

Did you read this (http://www.csicop.org/si/9711/bible-code.html)? Why should we have to plough through screeds of ill-conceived nonsense when it has been demonstrated that you can pull the same trick with, for example, Moby Dick (http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html), or the US Supreme Court's 1987 ruling on Edwards versus Aguillard, or any other sufficiently long piece of text in any alphabetical language?

you fanatics and your silly ways of trying to desperatly prove to the world that god exsists and hes powerfully allmightly no matter what no questions about it...blah blah blah...i could write a bunch of stories and call it The Elbib and sell it as a religious text, hell i can go around and burry mysteriousy artifacts under the ground and hope they get found way later...


maybe...

something...

Say it aint so