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I was walking home from the bus depot in my city(ottawa) at around half past midnight last night/this morning. As I walked past an alley, I heard a high pitched voice say "Give me your wallet". Now me be tired and lacking common sense, asked the person in the alley to show themself. A ten year old walked out of the alley carrying a F**King switchblade night. He repeated his demand for my wallet. I did something that was part reflex and part by-product of two years of Tae-kwon-do. I kicked him in the chest. He fell to the ground, dropped the knife, started crying and ran away. I picked up the knife and threw it in a sewer. What I want to know is Where the Hell were this kid's parents.

All I wanna know is how the hell can you look at yourself in the mirror after making a poor boy cry [/sarcasm]

I was walking home from the bus depot in my city(ottawa) at around half past midnight last night/this morning. As I walked past an alley, I heard a high pitched voice say "Give me your wallet". Now me be tired and lacking common sense, asked the person in the alley to show themself. A ten year old walked out of the alley carrying a F**King switchblade night. He repeated his demand for my wallet. I did something that was part reflex and part by-product of two years of Tae-kwon-do. I kicked him in the chest. He fell to the ground, dropped the knife, started crying and ran away. I picked up the knife and threw it in a sewer. What I want to know is Where the Hell were this kid's parents.
eh, try southcentral los angeles.

All I wanna know is how the hell can you look at yourself in the mirror after making a poor boy cry [/sarcasm]
the kid threatened him with a knife. Its called self defense.

the kid threatened him with a knife. Its called self defense.

yes, and colodia's post is called Sarcasm. It's even marked as such.

Hi,
Unbelievable. I would ask the same question about this kid's parents! The good thing is you're okay, you didn't get hurt, and you used good judgement. The kid didn't get hurt either, which I guess being that he's a kid (a shithead kid, yes), is a good thing.

Again, glad you're okay and sorry you had such a horrible experience. Is that type of thing common where you're from?

Take care. ;)

No it's not common. I'm Canadian and I live in one of Canada's safer cities.(Except for the homeless man who shot two teens at a shopping mall last month. They're both survived fortunatly.)

I kicked him in the chest. He fell to the ground, dropped the knife, started crying and ran away.
Child abuser.

Child abuser. HE THREATENED ME WITH A KNIFE! WTF WAS I SUPPOSED TO DO?

Child abuser.Are you retarded?

HE THREATENED ME WITH A KNIFE! WTF WAS I SUPPOSED TO DO?
Give him your wallet? Or better yet. Buy him a cup of hot coco.

Are you retarded?
Are you?

Are you retarded?
His answer Yes, Yes, I need a jacket this one is straight so lets try it on hey i can't get out.

I think Celack showed remarkable restraint - he used minimal force and disarmed his attacker. Good job! :)

Give him your wallet? Or better yet. Buy him a cup of hot coco.
or turn him in to the cops, wacht brainwashed jurys do their duty or knock him cold.

Give him your wallet? Or better yet. Buy him a cup of hot coco.

Oh yes I can see it now.


"Give me you wallet!"
"How bout a nice cup of hot coco?" and then he stabs me.


Naw that doesn't work.

"Give me your wallet!"
"Here you go. It contains my bank card, my work ID card and all of my important documents but no cash. I'm rewarding you you little criminal."


HMMMM those were great ideas

Jesus, what next?

HAND OVER THE APPLE JUICE AND NO ONE GETS HURT!

I think Celack showed remarkable restraint - he used minimal force and disarmed his attacker. Good job! :)Thank you.

Child abuser.


It never fails to amuse me how many brain damaged people post in the general forum.

Oooh....scary....i think it doesn't matter how old your attacker is, he is still trying to harm you, so wouldn't you have the right and the instinct to protect yourself? i'm really glad you're okay, celack. =D

thanks.

It never fails to amuse me how many brain damaged people post in the general forum.
You must be happy to see that your not alone eh?

Oh yes I can see it now.


"Give me you wallet!"
"How bout a nice cup of hot coco?" and then he stabs me.


Naw that doesn't work.

"Give me your wallet!"
"Here you go. It contains my bank card, my work ID card and all of my important documents but no cash. I'm rewarding you you little criminal."


HMMMM those were great ideas
You could have buy him a Happy Meal. Instead of traumatizing the poor kid for life.

If you have that training in Taekwondo, why did you need to kick him? If he'd attacked you with the knife, couldn't you have just disarmed him? I mean, a ten year old isn't going to be proficient with a knife, and he could probably barely reach your vital organs. Let him make the first move.

Am I alone in thinking this is kind of funny?

I know, I'm a bad person.

Am I alone in thinking this is kind of funny?

I know, I'm a bad person.

Since he didn't put him in a headlock and make him cry uncle and hand over his wallet (or one of equal value), yes you are.

I'd say you're pretty lucky that you don't know where that snot's parents are. That sounds just like the kind of story that ends with parents filled with "fury over their poor child," a jury with the combined intelligence of a sewer rat, a slimy lawyer, and some soppy brat with his arm in a sling sobbing about the "mean man who kicked him when he was just playing." I hate kids.

You could have buy him a Happy Meal. Instead of traumatizing the poor kid for life.
I'm traumatizing a kid for life? This kid who had a knife and was robbing people? I taught him why that is a bad thing. It seems as though he was already traumatized.

If you have that training in Taekwondo, why did you need to kick him? If he'd attacked you with the knife, couldn't you have just disarmed him? I mean, a ten year old isn't going to be proficient with a knife, and he could probably barely reach your vital organs. Let him make the first move.

This kid was chest height on me. He could have reached many of my organs. Also it was REFLEX actions. I wasn't thinking. It was reflex and instinct. If I had thought about it for longer I probably would have disarmed him.

You could have buy him a Happy Meal. Instead of traumatizing the poor kid for life.
yeah reward him for attempting to mug you I can invision it now Every ones out mugging for a Happy Meal, Casue they to cheap to spend their alowacne great Move Von next come mass murder forcocain, and Give the little bastards everything they want. Celack You did well. (he still needs that jacket.)

2 years of taekwondoe is when you pretty much just get started. good job though, I hope the kid woke up with a cracked rib and had trouble breathing and laughing for the next month. maybe that would make him think twice.

yeah reward him for attempting to mug you I can invision it now Every ones out mugging for a Happy Meal, Casue they to cheap to spend their alowacne great Move Von next come mass murder forcocain, and Give the little bastards everything they want. Celack You did well. (he still needs that jacket.)

As a matter of fact, I am a bit hungry. Fututre could you perhaps step to the nearest dark alley?

I'd say you're pretty lucky that you don't know where that snot's parents are. That sounds just like the kind of story that ends with parents filled with "fury over their poor child," a jury with the combined intelligence of a sewer rat, a slimy lawyer, and some soppy brat with his arm in a sling sobbing about the "mean man who kicked him when he was just playing." I hate kids.
Thats not nice Now i hate lieing bastard kids thats another story and you're wrong the jurys typicaly have around the iq indivually of two or three amebos.

If he was complaining about the mean man who kicked him, i'm off free then.


I'm 16 BTW.

If you have that training in Taekwondo, why did you need to kick him? If he'd attacked you with the knife, couldn't you have just disarmed him? I mean, a ten year old isn't going to be proficient with a knife, and he could probably barely reach your vital organs. Let him make the first move.

This is exactly what his training was for.

Since he didn't put him in a headlock and make him cry uncle and hand over his wallet (or one of equal value).
Maybe he isn't telling us everything. :p

I would've picked up the knife and chased after him.

"Come back here you little shit!"

Spank your goddamn children! ...or maybe the parents were crimelords and they were teaching their son the art of the common thief... oooo... think about that. yeah, I know I'm deep.

yeah reward him for attempting to mug you I can invision it now Every ones out mugging for a Happy Meal, Casue they to cheap to spend their alowacne great Move Von next come mass murder forcocain, and Give the little bastards everything they want. Celack You did well. (he still needs that jacket.)
Or prevent him from doing it again. You know, "save" him from a life of crime.

Or prevent him from doing it again. You know, "save" him from a life of crime.

I did prevent him by teaching him that trying to rob someone will lead to him losing his stuff and getting hurt.

Or prevent him from doing it again. You know, "save" him from a life of crime.
So he should have been knocked cold and put in juvy for two years "shudders i think he came off perrty well he was luckei that the guy he tryed and mugged didn't have a gun.

So he should have been knocked cold and put in juvy for two years "shudders i think he came off perrty well he was luckei that the guy he tryed and mugged didn't have a gun.

In Canada? Hell I live in America and I don't have a gun.

I did prevent him by teaching him that trying to rob someone will lead to him losing his stuff and getting hurt.
So, you took his wallet as well?

In Canada? Hell I live in America and I don't have a gun.
duh if he comits a crime worse case scenario should be his top priority he might even be mugin a crime lord, that didn't acure to me when i punched a kid out cold for the next day and got juvy for three weeks, sorta didn't go quite as i thought it would little bastard kept taunting me i can still hear his voice as he told me i was stuipd (which i was.

So he should have been knocked cold and put in juvy for two years "shudders i think he came off perrty well he was luckei that the guy he tryed and mugged didn't have a gun.
So maybe next time the kid will have a gun and not ask you to give him your wallet. But shoot you first and then take it. Shudder at the thought of that.

duh if he comits a crime worse case scenario should be his top priority he might even be mugin a crime lord, that didn't acure to me when i punched a kid out cold for the next day and got juvy for three weeks, sorta didn't go quite as i thought it would little bastard kept taunting me i can still hear his voice as he told me i was stuipd (which i was.

Worst case scenario for me would be if the guy had a badge and uniform, or worse a uniform and tank.

No.Where the hell did you get that from?

He dropped his knife and I threw it in the sewer.

Jeez I don't know if your being stupid just for a joke, to be condratictory, to be an asshole, or if your genuinely stupid.

No.Where the hell did you get that from?

He dropped his knife and I threw it in the sewer.

Jeez I don't know if your being stupid just for a joke, to be condratictory, to be an asshole, or if your genuinely stupid.
You did say stuff. And it started out as a joke. But you and several other brainiacs here made it a "seriouse" issue.

I never made it a serious issue. I played along.

I never made it a serious issue. I played along.
Uh huh. Sure.

You must be happy to see that your not alone eh?


I rarely post in General because of mindless prats like yourself, I only in this thread because me and Celack go way back.

And as far as your defense of this kid goes, get a freakin' clue. He pulled a knife on him, therefore Celack had every legal right to defend himself, and that he did.

I can see that your posts are intended to not only grief but possibly start a flame war. Do us all a favor and stop posting your drivel in this thread.

I rarely post in General because of mindless prats like yourself, I only in this thread because me and Celack go way back.

And as far as your defense of this kid goes, get a freakin' clue. He pulled a knife on him, therefore Celack had every legal right to defend himself, and that he did.

I can see that your posts are intended to not only grief but possibly start a flame war. Do us all a favor and stop posting your drivel in this thread.
Get a freaking clue and don't randomly flame others just cause you dont like their posts. Moron.

Get a freaking clue and don't randomly flame others just cause you dont like their posts.

I have a clue, in fact, I have several.

If someone draws a knife on me, you damn right I'm going to incapacitate them and save myself from physical harm. I don't care if it's a 10 year old or a 90 year old, male or female. Your posts are so lacking in sense that it's hard for me to decide if you're being obnoxious or if you truely mean what you are saying.

Moron.


How quaint. You accuse me of flaming yet you edit in a flame? Nice........

I have a clue, in fact, I have several.

If soemone draws a knife on me, you damn right I'm going to incapacitate them and save myself from physical harm. I don't care if it's a 10 year old or a 90 year old, male or female. Your posts are so lacking in sense that it's hard for me to decide if you're being obnoxious or if you truely mean what you are saying.

If you can read, braintrust, then go read a view posts back.

If you can read, braintrust, then go read a view posts back.


So...you post drivel in a thread then flame others when we react to it? Wow, you sure know how to use the inter-web thingy.....

So...you post drivel in a thread then flame others when we react to it? Wow, you sure know how to use the inter-web thingy.....
Cause calling me braindamaged is not flaming huh?

You said you were joking but all youc'e done is pretty much flame me or Automagfreek. Back off or shut up.

You said you were joking but all youc'e done is pretty much flame me or Automagfreek. Back off or shut up.
I didn't start flaming.

Cause calling me braindamaged is not flaming huh?


Merely an observation, and further proving to myself that posting in General causes brain disease.

Merely an observation, and further proving to myself that posting in General causes brain disease.
Then get out quikly. Before your remaining 4 cells fry.

Merely an observation, and further proving to myself that posting in General causes brain disease.
It doe's not, I am sure it was gentic

I didn't start flaming.
Calling me a child abuser isn't flaming?

Then get out quikly. Before your remaining 4 cells fry.


Well, at least I am able to use the big boy voice when I make posts. And you can't seem to let this go, can you? j00 r t3h w1nn4r!!!1111

It doe's not, I am sure it was gentic

There are alot of intelligent posters in General, don't get me wrong. But sadly that is overshadwoed by people like our friend Von Witzleben here.

Calling me a child abuser isn't flaming?
It wasn't ment to be. But you were just playing along anyway eh?

Well, at least I am able to use the big boy voice when I make posts. And you can't seem to let this go, can you? j00 r t3h w1nn4r!!!1111
You seem to be rather entertaining yourself with the flaming. Don't you?

My question is: WHERE the HELL is this kid's parents? snorting their meth in their house and sent their kid to get drug money?

Yea, it's stupid that we got CHILDREN mugging people or -- like what's been going on in Japan -- exhortion and murdering other kids! (a 14-year old had decapitated a ten year old and left in front of a school some years back, or more recently a 12-year old stabbing a 11-year old for making fun of her in a chatroom!).

Caleck (is it Caleck? sorry if I misspell it) is right in defending himself the way he did, gives the kid a lesson not to pull a knife on somewhere (well at least someone older then he is... I'm afraid). Someone else could've easily just shot him, or beat the kid to a pulp ('beating to a pulp' is different from 'a kick to the chest').

When we get children commiting violent adult crimes, or trying to -- 'Houstin, we got MAJOR social problems'.

Anyone who's seriously saying that Caleck overreact has obviously never been in a situation where there is a risk their life was possibly threatened -- and most likely never been bullied in school! You don't kiss a grown man's boo-boo if you kicked him to the ground for trying to mug you, so why should you do the same to a kid who threatens to stab you?

Pavlov's theory of conditioning is that if you felt something unpleasent you don't do it again, if you get something good, you do it again -- so why reward the kid for trying to mug you?

You seem to be rather entertaining yourself with the flaming. Don't you?


Not flaming, simply retorting to your inane trolling. BUT, I'm not going to stoop down to that level, so I'll just leave you by your lonesome.

Another thread, down in flames... :(

well, you could do what i do, and illegally carry a concealed weapon.. i have an eight inch buck knife i take almost everywhere in my jacket. if some punk kid pulled a switchblade on me, i can just pull out a knife three times as big.
damn punks get a taste of their own medicine :mp5: :D

Not flaming, simply retorting to your inane trolling. BUT, I'm not going to stoop down to that level, so I'll just leave you by your lonesome.
You stooped down to "that level" with your first post. So go act all high and mighty. cause thats all there is to it, an act.

Little punk. I would've said "you should've brought a gun" before I kicked him in the chest.

Caleck isn't the only one who got a young mugger.

I just got off the phone with my friend Dante, he and my cousin were in Sandpoint, and going through a small market-type area when this kid went up to Dante with a bat, giving the 'money or your bones' threat.

Fortunately my Cousin Zack had yanked the bat out of the brat's hands.

Who's teaching these kids to mug people?

I would have been like HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH and kept on walking. And when he threatend me with a knife i would have ran and screamed, or be myself and run towards him and kicked him or something.

I've had two ten year olds come up to me when I was walking in the park with my dog demading my wallet. What a pity I didn't have it on me, but they wern't willing to check caus I had my dog with me.

Of course the dog was as dumb as a post and would probably sit there and look while I got attacked...

Little punk. I would've said "you should've brought a gun" before I kicked him in the chest.
yeah.. but i would've kicked him in the face :p

Good thing it was you and not me. If a ten year old threatened me with a knife, I would have beat the piss out of him and then took everything he owned, and kept the knife.

Had that happened to me and had I been (legally; I have a right-to-carry) packing heat (as I sometimes do when I go out in public), I would have drawn my handgun on the punk. However, in the situation that really happened, I'd say you handled it quite well.....

Me!

i think u did right

That kid must be pretty desperate to try to pull something like that. Or he might be trying to show off to someone. Either way he's pretty retarded.

Then get out quikly. Before your remaining 4 cells fry.
Seems to me you flame in all of your other posts too.
Me finds meself agreeing with Celack and AMF here.
Holy shit, I agree with AMF?
:eek:

It's almost funny these days, what's considered right and wrong.
You handled the situation just fine. Probably the safest in that situation (next to running which would have left the kid to try it again) move would be the kick to the chest... minding not to deliver a direct blow the the solar plexus and avoid heart shock. Anyone saying "disarm" needs to research the subject, because delivering a blow to a noncritical target is usually the best way to "disarm." The other disarming techniques usually end in a broken arm or worse.

The funny part comes in with the morally deprived that would defend a kid like this. I've been taking taekwondo for more than 4 years, and one of my good friends, a student of many weapons as well as taekwondo at the age of 24, got sued by a 19 year old "kid".
The 19 year old was harrasing a drunken elderly man at a bar when my friend told him to back off. The 19 year old pulled out a knife... no small switchblade either. Because of the distance to the target my friend did a stepbehind sidekick to the offhand of the 19year old, breaking a rib and piercing one of his loungues. Then called an ambulance and waited there til the ambulance arrived, the 19 year old recovered just fine. And my friend was cleared of any wrongdoing during even which was witnessed by many.

Then, 4 months later he gets a notice that he's being sued in a civil court or some such crap. He's being sued on the fact that since he could have easily killed the kid, and chose lesser action that he didn't actually think of the kid as a threat. So it wasn't self defense since this "kid" as they always reffered to him at the trial, wasn't a threat to my friend. Although they won the first trial, thank goodness someone had common sense and it was overturned after one appeal. But that's the kind of shit that can happen when people start siding on the morally corrupt.

You had every right to defend yourself, Celack. The child attacked you first. Don't listen to any of the pacifist bullshit being dished out trying to make the child the victim. The people who apologise for the child's actions are part of the same group of people who have created a morally bankrupt society.

You did right, you stopped him without seriously hurting him, though what sort of idiout would have given/sold a knife to a kid that age and then let him run off into the night, i don't know.

Hopfully this has taught him a lesson, but I hope that this kids parents catch him and give him a bollocking or the police do.

Then, 4 months later he gets a notice that he's being sued in a civil court or some such crap.
Let me make a wild Guess...this happened in The US...rite?

I would have been like HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH and kept on walking. And when he threatend me with a knife i would have ran and screamed, or be myself and run towards him and kicked him or something.
He kinda threatened me with the knife so I did kick him, without the runniong cause he was right next to me.

yeah.. but i would've kicked him in the face :p
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repeatedly

It makes you wonder what kind of kid thinks that they CAN do such actions. What kind of thoughts could have been going through its head if it thinks it can rob and steal using violence at its age. If it were me, it'd have no teeth, but at least it'll think twice before doing do again.

Caleck isn't the only one who got a young mugger.

I just got off the phone with my friend Dante, he and my cousin were in Sandpoint, and going through a small market-type area when this kid went up to Dante with a bat, giving the 'money or your bones' threat.

Fortunately my Cousin Zack had yanked the bat out of the brat's hands.

Who's teaching these kids to mug people?

Why Al Queda of course.


Seriously, Celack..I think you did the right thing. Now only if you could contact his parents...although I doubt very much that they would care...

you shouldve...RIPPED HIS BLOODY HEAD OFF

You should've given the little shit a wedgie, too.

Jesus Christ. What is the world coming to when you get mugged by a 10 year old.

I take Tae Kwon Do too, and learning to disarm people is not the first thing I was taught. The kid is lucky Celack didn't seriously hurt him.

So so far all people have done is say "Good job"(DOn't stop saying that. I like feeling competent) "You shouldn;t done something nice for him" "You were too harsh." or somebody flamed me.

Grab him and spank him in front of his friends.



I would've picked up the knife and chased after him.

"Come back here you little shit!"


lol

You could have buy him a Happy Meal. Instead of traumatizing the poor kid for life.


wtf!!! i work with the disabled. if we're being attacked, we are allowed to restrian the person. granted, we're not allowed to kick them, but still. i know plenty of 10 year olds, how abt i send one over to you and mug you. see what you do. :upyours:

wtf!!! i work with the disabled. if we're being attacked, we are allowed to restrian the person. granted, we're not allowed to kick them, but still. i know plenty of 10 year olds, how abt i send one over to you and mug you. see what you do. :upyours:
Fuck off.:upyours:

Does anyone want to hear my story about the WORST MUGGERS IN THE WORLD?

Does anyone want to hear my story about the WORST MUGGERS IN THE WORLD?
The IRS?

I was walking home from the bus depot in my city(ottawa) at around half past midnight last night/this morning. As I walked past an alley, I heard a high pitched voice say "Give me your wallet". Now me be tired and lacking common sense, asked the person in the alley to show themself. A ten year old walked out of the alley carrying a F**King switchblade night. He repeated his demand for my wallet. I did something that was part reflex and part by-product of two years of Tae-kwon-do. I kicked him in the chest. He fell to the ground, dropped the knife, started crying and ran away. I picked up the knife and threw it in a sewer. What I want to know is Where the Hell were this kid's parents.
Jesus Celack, what are you some kind of pussy or something, that was just a little kid and you kicked him and made him cry.

Now I've noticed the sarcasm threshold on this thread is kinda low, so I'll just point out right now that I was kidding.

I have a clue, in fact, I have several.

If someone draws a knife on me, you damn right I'm going to incapacitate them and save myself from physical harm. I don't care if it's a 10 year old or a 90 year old, male or female. Your posts are so lacking in sense that it's hard for me to decide if you're being obnoxious or if you truely mean what you are saying.
Auto, may be tough to break this to you, but I'm pretty sure he was joking to begin with.

well, you could do what i do, and illegally carry a concealed weapon.. i have an eight inch buck knife i take almost everywhere in my jacket. if some punk kid pulled a switchblade on me, i can just pull out a knife three times as big.
damn punks get a taste of their own medicine :mp5: :D
lolYou call that a knife?

The IRS?

No. My brother (he was 17) was in Southend with a few of his mates, in the lunch break of his school. They saw a group of Year 11s run down the road towards them, obviously running away from them - they all thought this was odd, but carried on. Anyway, these two men about 20-25 stopped them.

Now, my brother is actually pretty short, and was by far the shortest and the youngest in the group. So what does Mugger 1 do? Pick on the biggest person in the group.

The mugger threatened him and demanded the boy's phone and wallet, despite the fact about 5 people were there. My brother saw a glint of metal in his hand, but then realised it was some toenail clippers. Yep, that's right. So my brother's mate did nothing: Mugger 1 got nervous and said to his accomplice, "Go to the car and get the cricket bat out of the trunk". Mugger 2 went off, but came back empty-handed; there was no cricket bat. Embarassed, the two muggers left.

What's ironic is that the group of burly Year 11s they'd seen had handed over their money!

Von Witzleben gave no indications whatsoever that he was joking to begin with.

Von Witzleben: You are hereby warned for trolling. Cut it out now, or you will be forumbanned.

Automagfreek and Celack: Don't feed the trolls.

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Now that's weird. I never heard of a 10 year old mugger before.

Auto, may be tough to break this to you, but I'm pretty sure he was joking to begin with.

It's kind of hard to interpret sarcasm by looking at words on a screen. They don't have exactly have a tone to them.....

Now that's weird. I never heard of a 10 year old mugger before.


I have.

(My 2 cents... I'm thought Von Witzleben was joking...but then it just got all bad)

Anyway, it seems like this thread is kind of addressing the issue of youth crime and violence, which I think could be a really wicked discussion...shall we?????

So....

What do you think is causing all these kids to behave larcenously? I recently witnessed a dozen teen boys (of all races) fighting with baseball bats accross the street. When I called the cops, the guy actually asked me if they were playing baseball. !!?? Only if the rules have changed and three or four guys get to beat another to insensibility in order to get a point. When I went to highschool (10 years ago...my god) there were PLENTY of brawls... but no one brought out weapons. I'm worried about my kids going to school now where kids are knifing or shooting eachother...it's like they don't understand what it means to really injure or kill someone. Why????

have any of you heard of compassion for other humans.

expessially for ones who may have a hard life.


i beleave that is what von witzlebin was trying say with his first post.


i mean help peaple in bad situations, dont perpetuate the matter.

but that also means you have to care about more than yourself.

Get a freaking clue and don't randomly flame others just cause you dont like their posts. Moron.
hey, your the moron. AMF is respected member of NS.

Von Witzleben gave no indications whatsoever that he was joking to begin with.

Von Witzleben: You are hereby warned for trolling. Cut it out now, or you will be forumbanned.

Automagfreek and Celack: Don't feed the trolls.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
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didn't see your post. sorry.

Von Witzleben, were you recently kicked in the chest down a dark alley?
(Just Kidding, I knew you were being sarcastic the whole time)

Celack, you're a girl right? So I've 2 things to say.

1, can people not refer to her as him.

2, why didn't you flash him?

If some kid had done that to me, I'd have knocked him down, put him in an ankle lock and snap his ankle.

Good job though Celack, you were quick to think about what had to be done

Anyway, it seems like this thread is kind of addressing the issue of youth crime and violence, which I think could be a really wicked discussion...shall we?????
I remember About a copy-paste i made months ago...It was about a 36 years old painter...he got killed by a gang of kids...some as young as 10...as far as I can remember

have any of you heard of compassion for other humans.
expessially for ones who may have a hard life.
have any of you heard of compassion for Muggers.
expessially for ones who have a knife.

I guess mob mentality isn't purely an adult domain. There was recently a terrible case of youth violence near where I live (in Canada). A group of school girls (all under 14) who attend in an inner-city area were sick of being propositioned by johns trolling for hookers in the area. They were so fed up that they attacked a woman who was walking by, looking dazed and with her shoes in her hand. They surrounded her and beat her, one girl even dancing on her face. The woman turned out to be the victim of a recent sexual assault and not a hooker... but even if she had been......well the girls were sentenced to making a movie about prositution so they could get a glimpse into the lives of their intended victims.

...the girls were sentenced to making a movie....
Dancing on someone face...thats your ticket to Hollywood

I was walking home from the bus depot in my city(ottawa) at around half past midnight last night/this morning. As I walked past an alley, I heard a high pitched voice say "Give me your wallet". Now me be tired and lacking common sense, asked the person in the alley to show themself. A ten year old walked out of the alley carrying a F**King switchblade night. He repeated his demand for my wallet. I did something that was part reflex and part by-product of two years of Tae-kwon-do. I kicked him in the chest. He fell to the ground, dropped the knife, started crying and ran away. I picked up the knife and threw it in a sewer. What I want to know is Where the Hell were this kid's parents.

That's fucked up, Ottawa has become such a violent city in the past while. Our local news has been looking a lot like the local Detroit news from the stations we get.

Yeah. I won't be looking for it at Cannes.

Von Witzleben, were you recently kicked in the chest down a dark alley?
(Just Kidding, I knew you were being sarcastic the whole time)

Celack, you're a girl right? So I've 2 things to say.

1, can people not refer to her as him.

2, why didn't you flash him?

If some kid had done that to me, I'd have knocked him down, put him in an ankle lock and snap his ankle.

Good job though Celack, you were quick to think about what had to be done
No! I'm not a girl! I'ma 16 year old guy.

Also Cog sorry botu feeding the troll but I take offense at being called a child abuser.

Looks like some people just can't let it go.

Celack, congrats on the good kick. Did you check your surroundings for any accomplices before dropping the kid?

Von Witz, out of curiousity, have you ever been physically confronted with violence or the threat of violence before? I somehow doubt it as I surmise your age to be even less than that of Celack's. (Please correct me if I'm wrong there.) I can assure you that self-preservation is a far stronger cry in the mind than are those of political and social correctness. There is no time for confusion or chitchat when a situation such as that arises. I highly doubt the conversation following "Give me your wallet" was "Come on out here. How old are you?" "Oh, I'm ten. The wallet man!" It was an alley, not exactly conducive to great lighting. The age of ten was most likely a guess, not a when-is-your-birthday fact. I agree, more could have been done beyond the kick; still, there's no need to be nasty about it.

Celack, I'm glad that you're safe and that you were able to defend yourself appropriately. It's sad to see that kids that young are trying to turn to such things but this is a far from perfect world (although there are thankfully many, although perhaps not enough people who are trying to improve upon what we have). Take care, buddy...I am glad to know that I would've done the same thing.

Von Witzleben gave no indications whatsoever that he was joking to begin with.

Von Witzleben: You are hereby warned for trolling. Cut it out now, or you will be forumbanned.

Automagfreek and Celack: Don't feed the trolls.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

Thank you Cog!

AMF and Celack, you're too good for this stuff...we all know you're in the right.

I would have tried as hard as I could to have broken his ribs so he would NEVER do any thing of the sort again.

Now that's weird. I never heard of a 10 year old mugger before.

The child is the product of a morally bankrupt society, which you and your kind are helping to create. Don't be at all surprised

...They were so fed up that they attacked a woman who was walking by, looking dazed and with her shoes in her hand. ... The woman turned out to be the victim of a recent sexual assault and not a hooker....

...and this, Ladies and Gentlemen, is why vigilantism is bad.

"Think about it for a moment."

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
Founder and Delegate of The Realm of Ambrosia

Vigilantism is always bad, not jsut because of mistaken identity.

Vigilantism is always bad.
I m not sure about that...

Why not?

You must be happy to see that your not alone eh?
AMF rarely posts in general. His is almost exclusively RP.

If you have that training in Taekwondo, why did you need to kick him? If he'd attacked you with the knife, couldn't you have just disarmed him? I mean, a ten year old isn't going to be proficient with a knife, and he could probably barely reach your vital organs. Let him make the first move.
Bad idea. I would never let anyone with a knife threatening me make the first move. Even if it was a baby with a knife, I would make the first move to take the knife away. Never make assumptions that could cost your life, or cost a lot of blood.

Personally, I think the fact that you felt it necessary to attack a 10 year old - armed with a knife or not - is pretty pathetic. A child is not a seasoned murderer. A grown man with a knife would be extremely unlikely to be able to stab you. It takes a certain mindset to be able to cause grievous bodily harm to another person.

The child posed no threat. Even if he had attempted to stab you (which all common sense says he wouldn't have), you could simply have grabbed his arm or wrist. I really don't hope anyone is going to claim a 16 year old can't hold back a 10 year old.

I'm rather sickened that I seem to be the only person who, when reading that a child was in a dark alley past midnight - alone - thought "What is the poor little bastard doing out here?". Instead it is just one post after another blaming the parents and boasting about how they can beat the crap out of a 10 year old.

Nobody even seems to have bothered to consider why a 10 year old would resort to mugging someone. It seems to me that if the child is alone, in an alley, past midnight, he either doesn't have any living parents, or no parents that take care of him properly.

Given that this child likely has no parents, or at least none that care for him, that probably means he has no source of food, nor money, and possibly no home to even stay in. My first concern, and only concern, on seeing this child would be to help him.

My guess is that he simply needed money to feed himself. Hence, he found/stole a knife, and tried to get it the only way he could. Children aren't hardened criminals. If he attempted to mug someone, there was no doubt a reason.

But, not like anyone gives a damn about the kid. They're too busy claiming how they badly they would hurt him. -__- Got to love people.

i don't agree with the Hw badly they would have hurt him posts but...

If some one was threatening you with a switch-blade, i doubt you woul have acted much differant

A ten year old kid tried to mug me a while back. Was on the train from Catford (in London) to my home, and this little kid started talking to me. I thought nothing of it, so I talked back to him. When I got off at my stop, he followed me and hit me in the back. I laughed and carried on walking. This happened a few more times. Then he hit me in the face and threw him into a wall and he buggered off.

But seriously. Little git should learn his place.

OH and,Calek, I'm glad your ok, and i'm glad the kid wasn't to seriously hurt. It's not that i support what he did, but, you have to hope people aren't hurt to bad other wise, you just can't call yourself a good person

If you have that training in Taekwondo, why did you need to kick him? If he'd attacked you with the knife, couldn't you have just disarmed him? I mean, a ten year old isn't going to be proficient with a knife, and he could probably barely reach your vital organs. Let him make the first move.

He made the first move by holding a knife visable and demanding his wallet.

FFS, I can't believe people think that kicking this punk in the chest was an overreaction!

Sure, he might not have been a "talented" knife-fighter, but why risk serious injury or death to minimise damage to a f****ing mugger? The fact he was 10 is completely irrelvant. I hope the kick in the chest hurt the little shit like hell - might make him think twice about trying to mug someone again.

Besides all of which, someone came at him with a knife - the kick was an instinctive reaction - if he had stopped to mull over "hmm, now what is the most effective but least damaging counterstroke I can use aginst this kid", our forum member may well now have a punctured kidney or liver and require dialysis for the rest of his life, or even be dead.

Get a clue, people...

bumpy wumpy

Sucks for you huh.

Good to see a fellow Ottawan on this site. Ottawa is pretty safe, but odd things can happen. :P

bump

You should of killed the little basterd. It would of benifited humanity in the long run....

bumpidtiy wombat!

All I wanna know is how the hell can you look at yourself in the mirror after making a poor boy cry [/sarcasm]

Making kids cry is awesome. I wish I got paid for it.

Wow, talk about gravedigging.

I was walking home from the bus depot in my city(ottawa) at around half past midnight last night/this morning. As I walked past an alley, I heard a high pitched voice say "Give me your wallet". Now me be tired and lacking common sense, asked the person in the alley to show themself. A ten year old walked out of the alley carrying a F**King switchblade night. He repeated his demand for my wallet. I did something that was part reflex and part by-product of two years of Tae-kwon-do. I kicked him in the chest. He fell to the ground, dropped the knife, started crying and ran away. I picked up the knife and threw it in a sewer. What I want to know is Where the Hell were this kid's parents.

WOAH! I only thought that happened in New York!

You should report that to the news or something, I know I'd lick to hear about a manwho was almost robbed by a kid!

You should of killed the little basterd. It would of benifited humanity in the long run....

Yeah I know, I would've kicked him in the chest held him down than stabbed him a few times.

HE THREATENED ME WITH A KNIFE! WTF WAS I SUPPOSED TO DO?

YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT! You said you lived in one of Canadas safer cities, but now your the one who was held up, you sir are a puppet of Joey P.

oops, what happened to Joey P? nevermind my last post.

HE THREATENED ME WITH A KNIFE! WTF WAS I SUPPOSED TO DO?

But my statement still stands you said you lived in canadas safer cities, now you say you started the thread! OH!

Child abuser.

I would of taken the knife from the kid and stabbed him. But i'm sure Celack's way is better.

But my statement still stands you said you lived in canadas safer cities, now you say you started the thread! OH!
WTF? What are you talking about? How does the fact that ottawa is one of Canada's safer cities mean that I'm lying?

Wow....I'm glad you defended yourself. Maybe that kid will think next time he tries to mug someone.

So....

What do you think is causing all these kids to behave larcenously? I recently witnessed a dozen teen boys (of all races) fighting with baseball bats accross the street. When I called the cops, the guy actually asked me if they were playing baseball. !!?? Only if the rules have changed and three or four guys get to beat another to insensibility in order to get a point. When I went to highschool (10 years ago...my god) there were PLENTY of brawls... but no one brought out weapons. I'm worried about my kids going to school now where kids are knifing or shooting eachother...it's like they don't understand what it means to really injure or kill someone. Why????

There are so many different theories about it. The one I feel is the most accurate is that we live in a society that endorses "having" and therefore greed. Our poor are not given the means to have the things that they need for life let alone those that society tells them they require for prestige. So, they try to get what they need in some other way.

As to violence, we are all too busy trying to figure out what is causing it on the large scale of society instead of looking at each individual case and asking why is THIS person violent and then trying to help them.

A really good read the subject of crime and justice is "The Rich Get Richer and the Poor Get Prison".

Another about violent criminals is called "Why They Kill", an autobiography of a sort of Lonnie Athens, an american criminologist.

You should of killed the little basterd. It would of benifited humanity in the long run....
go go gadget forum necromancy

That's fucked up, Ottawa has become such a violent city in the past while. Our local news has been looking a lot like the local Detroit news from the stations we get.

The news chanels from Detroit focus on the negative. Trust me I know, I've lived here my whole life. It's really quite pleasant.

Also someone posted about adults being unlikely to kill with a knife... remember this is a kid with skewed morals here, he would probably have knifed Celack. Kids are very unpredictable, and this one obviously didn't have any qualms about brandishing a knife.

You should've kicked him in the face for good measure, Then find his parent(s), and repeat the process.

Face kicking is theraputic and rehabilitating.

I'm a pretty calm person but if that kind of **** happened to me, I would have disarmed him, kicked him in the back of the knees to bring him to ground and a couple of fists to the face and a final knee to the face to finish him off, because the next person he tries that **** on might not be able to defend him or herself...

10 year old or not, they try to rob or attack me and I won't stand for it!

I'm a pretty calm person but if that kind of **** happened to me, I would have disarmed him, kicked him in the back of the knees to bring him to ground and a couple of fists to the face and a final knee to the face to finish him off, because the next person he tries that **** on might not be able to defend him or herself...

10 year old or not, they try to rob or attack me and I won't stand for it!

Indeed. I would've skinned 'em, tanned his hide, and made a new wallet out of it. ;)

His mom should've had enough sense to consult Dr. Coathanger. :p

HE THREATENED ME WITH A KNIFE! WTF WAS I SUPPOSED TO DO?


Kick his little ass, grab him by the ear, and march him back to his momma so she can whup the stupid out of him.

Or, take the kid to cops, and they can call child protective services.

AFTER you kick his little ass.

I'm a pretty calm person but if that kind of **** happened to me, I would have disarmed him, kicked him in the back of the knees to bring him to ground and a couple of fists to the face and a final knee to the face to finish him off, because the next person he tries that **** on might not be able to defend him or herself...

10 year old or not, they try to rob or attack me and I won't stand for it!


Or end up with a knife in your neck for being a "hero".

Indeed. I would've skinned 'em, tanned his hide, and made a new wallet out of it. ;)

His mom should've had enough sense to consult Dr. Coathanger. :p

LOL, after I did that I would have taken his t-shirt and pants and thrown them with the knife down the sewer, let the little bum walk home with no clothing!

LOL, after I did that I would have taken his t-shirt and pants and thrown them with the knife down the sewer, let the little bum walk home with no clothing!

I doubt he'd walk far, what with no skin and all.

Or end up with a knife in your neck for being a "hero".

I am a pretty average size for an 18 year old, around 176cm and my build is quite average, but I can move pretty damn fast added that my punches are harder than one would think if they saw me, done what Celack did and kicked him in the guts, added with the fact I did a bit of Tae-kwon-do back in the day, combined with the fact that this kid probably would have pissed me off by the time I kicked him.

And I never said anything about being a "Hero" - just using the right to defend myself, but I still would have let his face headbutt my fist around 3 times or so, then a final Knee to his face to finish him off.

I doubt he'd walk far, what with no skin and all.

LOL, I don't think that I could skin him, it would remind me of those bad horror movies of the 80's...then again...I am getting a job in a meat works...bit of practice :)

I am a pretty small guy for an 18 year old, around 176cm, but I can move pretty damn fast, done what Celack did and kicked him in the guts, added with the fact I did a bit of Tae-kwon-do back in the day, combined with the fact that this kid probably would have pissed me off by the time I kicked him.

And I never said anything about being a "Hero" - just using the right to defend myself, but I still would have let his face headbutt my fist around 3 times or so, then a final Knee to his face to finish him off.

Sure.

Easy to say.

But you never know how things actually turn out...

That kid could end up stabbing you in a vital spot before you even knew what was happening.
You just never know.

Martial arts and Boxing are fine and all, but in a real fight...there are so many variables that anything could happen.

You should have taken anything he might have had... better yet strip him and send him running home in his skivvies.

Sure.

Easy to say.

But you never know how things actually turn out...

That kid could end up stabbing you in a vital spot before you even knew what was happening.
You just never know.

Martial arts and Boxing are fine and all, but in a real fight...there are so many variables that anything could happen.

Well, if I lost a fight to a 10 year old, I'd hope I did die.

You did the wrong thing. When he fell on the ground, you should have kicked him repeatedly, stepped on him a few times, a couple punches and then walk away. I mean... if you're going to defend yourself... DEFEND YOURSELF.

Sure.

Easy to say.

But you never know how things actually turn out...

That kid could end up stabbing you in a vital spot before you even knew what was happening.
You just never know.

Martial arts and Boxing are fine and all, but in a real fight...there are so many variables that anything could happen.

Your right, it is easy to say, I could be stabbed, so could anyone. I don't really live in an area where this kind of thing goes on, but I protect myself, my family and my car. I don't hand over my wallet, sure he may stab me and take it, but he will have to do that, because I won't give it to him while I can still kick his arse.

Well, if I lost a fight to a 10 year old, I'd hope I did die.


Well, i'd imagine that a kid with a switchblade is a bit more formidable that an average one.

Very soft is the carotid artery.

Kick his little ass, grab him by the ear, and march him back to his momma so she can whup the stupid out of him.

Or, take the kid to cops, and they can call child protective services.

AFTER you kick his little ass.


right on man/lady. The best advice i've read all night.

Well, i'd imagine that a kid with a switchblade is a bit more formidable that an average one.

Very soft is the carotid artery.

It's true that there's a risk, but doesn't make more sense to try and defend yourself rather than just stand there and let some snot-nosed punk stab you?

wow, he just ran off?? and all he had was a switchblade?? If you did that to one of the ten-year olds who mugs you back home in Colombia, little man woulda pulled a semi on your ass. White people, pscht!

Your right, it is easy to say, I could be stabbed, so could anyone. I don't really live in an area where this kind of thing goes on, but I protect myself, my family and my car. I don't hand over my wallet, sure he may stab me and take it, but he will have to do that, because I won't give it to him while I can still kick his arse.

Now, THAT....I can agree with.
If you want my wallet, you better be willing to stab me and wrest it from me.
Cause otherwise, its staying with me.

"That knife better be made of chocolate, son. Becuase I'm gonna make you eat it."
-Somebody cool from a movie that I cant remember.

Heres one that I can:

"Im gonna take [i]this [i/] foot , and kick you on THAT side of your head, and theres not a goddamn thing you can do about it."
-Billy Jack.
"The Legend of Billy Jack."

America has a policy of not dealing with Terrorist, I have a policy of not dealing with scum...

didnt i read this topic several months ago??? gravedigging perhaps?

I look at it as a 10 year old got a lesson in cause and effect.
You handled yourself very well.
We had a kid, age 10 in our neighbourhood that would have pulled something like that off. And yes he very likely would have tried to stab you. He certainly thought nothing of dropping an adult man to his knees when said man told him to quit beating a 6 year old girl.
Not sure where the kid is 10 years later probably locked up or working on it, just glad he doesn't live around these parts no more, no more.

I look at it as a 10 year old got a lesson in cause and effect.
You handled yourself very well.
We had a kid, age 10 in our neighbourhood that would have pulled something like that off. And yes he very likely would have tried to stab you. He certainly thought nothing of dropping an adult man to his knees when said man told him to quit beating a 6 year old girl.
Not sure where the kid is 10 years later probably locked up or working on it, just glad he doesn't live around these parts no more, no more.

People who can't parent correctly have no business breeding. Had these kids been properly plucked from the womb, people wouldn't have to deal with this kind of crap. ;)

the kid had an interesting and unfortunate history. He was mum's youngest and they were living with his 2 half sisters who were also half sisters. mum doesn't like to breed with the same man. seems the sisters had the same idea. kid would be out riding around at midnight, didn't go to school. :headbang:

This short latino guy with a knife tried to mug me once. He came up to me and waved the knife "Give me your money or I'll fucking kill you."

So I kicked him in the nuts, which promptly caused him to fall down.

Beat him until he tells you where he lives

Take his battered corpse there and leave it on the doorstep

Ring and stand back

Case his parents and kill them also based on instinct

But leave one alive to tell you where any surviving relations may be living

Kill them also

Then get a large van

Make some Ammonium Nitrate

Blow up an embasy

Go to the country the embasy represents and kill everyone there

Then finish off the continent

Get where i am going with this?

Jeez this thread is long.

I say Celack handled it well. TaeKwonDoe (the art of hand and foot) focuses a lot on kicks and blocks, not grappling.
The following facts are also important:
- 2 years experience is not mastery
- knives are dangerous nomatter who wields them
- disarming is always harder and riskier than stiking

Considering all that, attempting to peacefully disarm the kid would have posed an unnacceptable risk to Celack's life. Belting him once and powerfully was the only option that was both safe and not cruel.

Of course it would be nice if the kid had hung around while you called the cops, as he clearly needs help.

Reading the first two pages I think that people lost sight of exactly what this is about.

I personally think it's appaling that a 10 year old is a theif, it's really quite pathetic.

When my friend was 10, he was attacked by these kids that wanted his money. He gave it to them, then punched one of them in the face, took his money and ran and hid in his house.

All I wanna know is how the hell can you look at yourself in the mirror after making a poor boy cry [/sarcasm]

Anyone using a switchblade comes at me, they will be very lucky to live, let alone run away crying.

When my friend was 10, he was attacked by these kids that wanted his money. He gave it to them, then punched one of them in the face, took his money and ran and hid in his house.

good on 'im

Well, in all honesty 95% of what I said in this thread is just tongue-in-cheek bullshit.

In actuality, it's quite sad that a child is reduced to such a miserable state. For a child to even do to such a thing reflects upon the life he lived, which must've been painful, neglectful, abusive, lonely. He was probably never shown love, compassion, etc. So concern for other human beings is an alien concept to him.

This kind of bullshit is an endless cycle perpetuated by the ignorance and apathy of society.

Interesting and somewhat disturbing thread.

I have to agree that Celack did the best thing he could have done in that situation. Good job! Maybe he'll think twice about trying to pull a stunt like that again.

I also somehow doubt the people who say he should have tried to 'save' the kid or whatever have ever been in a situation like that. Or have read about basic human biology, for that matter.

When faced with a dangerous situation (and a knife coupled with a threat, is a danger, no matter who is wielding it), your body immediately gears up the "Fight or Flight" response. This is basically a rush of adrenaline and a reaction in the nervous system to prepare the body for a strenuous reponse to the danger. If faced with immediate danger (like a knife-wielding thug a a yard or two from you), the body instigates "Fight or Flight" and then reacts. This reaction is with little or no thought from conscious mind. For some people this reaction might have been to freeze and wait for more information, another's might have been to flee straight away, or someone else's (like Celack) may have been to lash out and remove the threat. In reality, Celack probably had very little choice in the way he reacted. He just removed the threat.

If you're ever in a situation like that, you'll know what it's like.

Anyway, I'd say the little punk got exactly what he deserved.

FFS, I can't believe people think that kicking this punk in the chest was an overreaction!

Sure, he might not have been a "talented" knife-fighter, but why risk serious injury or death to minimise damage to a f****ing mugger? The fact he was 10 is completely irrelvant. I hope the kick in the chest hurt the little shit like hell - might make him think twice about trying to mug someone again.

Besides all of which, someone came at him with a knife - the kick was an instinctive reaction - if he had stopped to mull over "hmm, now what is the most effective but least damaging counterstroke I can use aginst this kid", our forum member may well now have a punctured kidney or liver and require dialysis for the rest of his life, or even be dead.

Get a clue, people...

I said it earlier, but it bears repeating ;)