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This fellow a perfect example of an extremist athiest.
I post this cause most of you are claiming that all athiests are saints and never to wrong, that athiests never try to hurt people.
Cause I disagreed with you, my main nation was deleted:
Read it and you will find he is an atheist. He hates america, and I believe by "conservative" he means religious, which is what most american conservatives are.

hell, read for yourselves. second to last post.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=342302&page=2

Why the hell should I not be upset about that?

Atheists are just as much human as any member of any religion. And it's human's that are prone to hate, cause damage and do wrong. No one is exempt. Some people have stricter moral codes and do less wrong, some are looser and end up in jail, or dead. It doesn't matter what your religious affiliations are, you are still human and have the capacity to do wrong. A buddhist could kill, although, once they did, they may no longer be a buddhist!

This fellow a perfect example of an extremist athiest.
I post this cause most of you are claiming that all athiests are saints and never to wrong, that athiests never try to hurt people.
Cause I disagreed with you, my main nation was deleted:
Read it and you will find he is an atheist. He hates america, and I believe by "conservative" he means religious, which is what most american conservatives are.

hell, read for yourselves.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=342302&page=2

Is it so hurtful that some don't talk to other's imaginary friend? :(

Who the hell claimed that atheists can do no wrong?

Is it so hurtful that some don't talk to other's imaginary friend? :(
hey, Mr. Wiseass, did you even read the second to last post on that thread?

Who the hell claimed that atheists can do no wrong?
some freaking idiots

Dear God in heaven, was this guy nuts? I use the term militant atheism rather loosely, but I've found out that real ones exist.

Yeah ok and this one example means all athiests are evil?

I don't think so, somehow...

hey, Mr. Wiseass, did you even read the second to last post on that thread?

Hey Mr. Wiseass, have you ever read the rantings of some radical Christians, et al.?

Dear God in heaven, was this guy nuts? I use the term militant atheism rather loosely, but I've found out that real ones exist.
nope. this guy is just a fucking nutcase. completly nuts. how the hell did he think he could get his nation back?

Well, for my 2 cents worth, I think athiests that attack people over their beliefs are just as stupid as religious types who try to shove their views down peoples throats...

BTW, this is NOT a good example of radical athiesm - the fact that he is an athiest is extremely peripheral to the rest of his post.

It IS a good example of a whackjob who unreasoningly hates an entire nation...

I sort of understand the thoughts behind atheism but who wants to believe it. Do you really want to believe that when you die you are just gone, no eternal blissful life in heaven.

I also don't like all the teens that say they are atheists just to paint an image of coolness.

I sort of understand the thoughts behind atheism but who wants to believe it. Do you really want to believe that when you die you are just gone, no eternal blissful life in heaven.

I also don't like all the teens that say they are atheists just to paint an image of coolness.


Why would you want to believe in a diety that sends people to eternal damnation? ;)

Athiesm is just another word for a lack of faith. It's not important what religion you practice, or what god(s) you worship. The most important thing is faith, even if it's in yourself. This guy at least might have the courage to take action against things he sees wrong in this world, which is more than I can say about most citizens in first world countries. Now, i'm not saying anything about the morality issues here, because the cold ugly truth is politics only uses morality as a way to manipulate the public. Morality and politics should share no sentence, because if it's used as a tool of manipulation, the only way to break free of that manipulation is to disregard and ignore this tool. As for the killing of American and Israeli soldiers, I actually am in disagreement with this fella. A soldier is doing his job. Most soldiers sign up not for political reasons, but for reasons of pride, experience, and honor. Although I find no honor in modern warfare, it is still motivation for many enlistees.

Head political figures ought not to be killed by one person. They ought not to be bombed either. Political change can and will come about when a government takes it's actions one step to far. Popular revolt is necessary, and although it may seem sensible to some to start the popular revolt, it cannot be an attack. Attacks are the foundation of modern government, and the only way to begin a just revolution is by counter-action. A unified response to a common threat is key.

Returning to the subject of athiesm, screw it. If you don't have faith, that's your problem. Athiesm is a flaw.

From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.

nope. this guy is just a fucking nutcase. completly nuts. how the hell did he think he could get his nation back?
I'd say he's one. But it's sort of scary to think if some of his anti religious rhetoric is true. I mean, does he really believe that the world has too much religion for his own good?
He sort of reminds me of the anarchists that prevailed in this country at the turn of the last century. They killed McKinley, who they saw as too expansionist. They were also blamed for a truck bombing in New York some twenty years later. And then people wonder what caused the Red Scare.

He sort of reminds me of the anarchists that prevailed in this country at the turn of the last century. They killed McKinley, who they saw as too expansionist. They were also blamed for a truck bombing in New York some twenty years later. And then people wonder what caused the Red Scare.

czolgosz was only vaguely an anarchist - he also was a member of the republican party. in fact, most anarchists had him pegged as a spy; there was actually a warning about him written into the anarchist paper "fee society" a few months before the assassination. not that anarchists didn't assassinate oppressors. its just that czolgosz isn't the best example of it.

and nobody was ever caught or found guilty of the wall street bombing. and i wouldn't be so quick to blame anarchists for it either. when anarchists blow something up, we make sure that innocent people won't get hurt. that bombing killed workers and could really only kill workers - clerks and messengers and such. not really something that people who hoped to help the workers fight off oppression would do.

what caused the red scare was several decades of government propoganda and media hyperbole and show trials that convicted and killed innocent anarchists.

Yeah ok and this one example means all athiests are evil?

I don't think so, somehow...
Where did I say all athiests were evil. I said not all of them were the good do no harm saints certain people made them out to be.
Stop generalizing.

Hey Mr. Wiseass, have you ever read the rantings of some radical Christians, et al.?
So the fact he's an athiest makes it alright for him to do that stuff then. But if its christians or any other religious type, its bad.

Why would you want to believe in a diety that sends people to eternal damnation? ;)
That's another false hood the false christians teach.
Eternal damnation is no where taught in the bible.

That's another false hood the false christians teach.
Eternal damnation is no where taught in the bible.

Except in the Book of the Revelation of Saint John.

So the fact he's an athiest makes it alright for him to do that stuff then. But if its christians or any other religious type, its bad.

No, that's an incorrect assumption but it's just so creepy when done in the name of religion. :D

Only thing is he didn't post about killing people for believing in God, he only posted about killing U.S. and Israeli leaders for what he perceives, rightly or wrongly, as international injustices. So this is not an example of anti-religious-holy-war, merely one of some fool advocating anti-U.S./Israel guarilla warfare and assassinations.

Stalin and Mao, otoh...

Whittier that guy was a nutbar and you know it. Was I wrong in assuming you were an adult.

Athiesm is just another word for a lack of faith. It's not important what religion you practice, or what god(s) you worship. The most important thing is faith, even if it's in yourself.
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Returning to the subject of athiesm, screw it. If you don't have faith, that's your problem. Athiesm is a flaw.

Nice strawman. Since when does Atheism, lack of faith in a deity figure, equate with a lack of faith in oneself? Frankly, if anything, Atheism is a virtue. It takes a *lot* of courage, and a *lot* of personal strength to admit to oneself that there is nothing out there watching over us, and likely nothing waiting for us after we've passed away.

Except in the Book of the Revelation of Saint John.
Revelation says they are destroyed in the lake of fire, not that they live there forever.
Destroyed=cease to exist

No, that's an incorrect assumption but it's just so creepy when done in the name of religion. :D
when its done for or against religion its creepy.

Whittier that guy was a nutbar and you know it. Was I wrong in assuming you were an adult.
cause I am offended by what he wrote.
Ah yes, I see, now,
if a person is an adult, he would allow the distribution of pro terrorists videos,
and propaganda.
shows where your loyalties lie, apparently not with the forces of freedom

Haha, I remember reading that thread when he first posted it. I'm glad to see he got DEATed, never saw what happened to that thread.

Man, what a complete loon.

However, this isn't really a case of a radical atheist. This is just some radical who also happens to be atheist. Well, I guess that's technically right, to call him a radical atheist, but not in the way that you'd think by reading that.

Lemme rephrase. He's a radical atheist who's radical thoughts and actions have nothing to do with his faith, or lack thereof. Radicals on any side of any debate are always somewhat disturbing.

Just more proof that stupidity doesn't discriminate by religion...

But it is common, maybe even accurate (of course, there will ALWAYS be exceptions), to think that aetheists are "smarter" since they've actually sat down and thought about religion and made a decision not to accept it while others may just suck down every word in their holy books and never think about it one bit.

Revelation says they are destroyed in the lake of fire, not that they live there forever.
Destroyed=cease to exist

Read it again. It says they will suffer day and night forever.

cause I am offended by what he wrote.
Ah yes, I see, now,
if a person is an adult, he would allow the distribution of pro terrorists videos,
and propaganda.
shows where your loyalties lie, apparently not with the forces of freedom

lol. With your last statement I'm still left wondering. I just say this because it seems you are making a big deal out of nothing. He is an idiot. You are offended. He was trying to offend people like you, he was trying to offend everyone that was why he wrote it. Galdania was an attention whore.

Did he get arrested or not?

Atheism is by no means a lack of faith. It is a religious belief like any other- it is a view on a religious idea held with no provable evidence in favour. As an infidel, I see it as foolish to make an assumption one way or the other, I just live life and try to be good. Of course, there will be plenty of idiots of every religious grouping who are militant idiots, though I don't know anyone else who identifys as an infidel.

Since many religions say something to the effect of 'Good works will not save you', surely any reasonable deity will forgive you for not spinning the wheel, as it were. If He's/She's/It's/They are not reasonable, I don't want to compromise myself in the interest of eternal life.

As for why anyone would choose to believe that we die and that's it, it's just the logical assumption of an aspiritual belief, i.e. the belief that there is no supernatural/spiritual plane to existence, nothing to do with what they want. Do Christians really choose to believe in Heaven? What were the other options?

As for atheists thinking things through, that's nonsense and a generalisation. I grew up in an atheist household, I wouldn't have gone through any level of thoughtful consideration to reach that view.

This fellow a perfect example of an extremist athiest.
I post this cause most of you are claiming that all athiests are saints and never to wrong, that athiests never try to hurt people.
Cause I disagreed with you, my main nation was deleted:
Read it and you will find he is an atheist. He hates america, and I believe by "conservative" he means religious, which is what most american conservatives are.

hell, read for yourselves. second to last post.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=342302&page=2

Maybe so, maybe he is also beeing that to fool others for some reason

Actually, I have never seen anyone state that "all athiests are saints and never to wrong, that athiests never try to hurt people". Or anything being fairly close to this statement.

Also, I don't think that you disagreeing with those who you think claim that "all athiests are saints and never to wrong, that athiests never try to hurt people" had anything to do with the deletion of your main nation.

Btw, "main nation"? Does that mean you had more then one nation at the same time?

Btw, "main nation"? Does that mean you had more then one nation at the same time?

Nah, his other nation got DEATed a little while ago. It looked like someone took control of his nation from his computer, but (from the thread I read, I don't know if it's true) he apparently had used this excuse before.

To assume that athiests have no faith in anything is flawed logic.

Just because they chose not to believe in some omnipotent being or any afterlife does not mean they have no beliefs: they may very well believe in themselves, in friends, in a sports team, in their government etc. ad infinitum...

Haha, I remember reading that thread when he first posted it. I'm glad to see he got DEATed, never saw what happened to that thread.

Man, what a complete loon.

However, this isn't really a case of a radical atheist. This is just some radical who also happens to be atheist. Well, I guess that's technically right, to call him a radical atheist, but not in the way that you'd think by reading that.

Lemme rephrase. He's a radical atheist who's radical thoughts and actions have nothing to do with his faith, or lack thereof. Radicals on any side of any debate are always somewhat disturbing.
I agree. What is wrong with people here.
I said this guy was proof that radical atheists exist and now I"m being accused of calling all athiests evil? :confused:

My atheism is not a form of religion. People who say it is piss me off no end. You are not me, so shut up about what *I* believe.

*My* form of atheism is "If there is a God, I will find out one way or another when I die. Until then, I refuse to use religious texts of any kind to support any point not relating to a) The Golden Bough or b) the large number of insane. insane religious people around. I also rely on the realm of science for facts, and the realms of philosophy and psychology for my debates."

And not *all* morons are religious - in fact, most wouldn't know real faith if they were hit over the head with it. You can spread hatred and violence under the name of athiesm... the point is that there is nothing in the lack of belief of athiests that *encourages* going to war/killing (no "convert others of be damned, no Holy wars for us, etcetcetc)

Just more proof that stupidity doesn't discriminate by religion...

But it is common, maybe even accurate (of course, there will ALWAYS be exceptions), to think that aetheists are "smarter" since they've actually sat down and thought about religion and made a decision not to accept it while others may just suck down every word in their holy books and never think about it one bit.
deciding not to believe in God does not make you any smarter than any one else.
Your intelligence is not determined by whether you beleive in God or not.

lol. With your last statement I'm still left wondering. I just say this because it seems you are making a big deal out of nothing. He is an idiot. You are offended. He was trying to offend people like you, he was trying to offend everyone that was why he wrote it. Galdania was an attention whore.

Did he get arrested or not?
It sounded to me like he was really trying to do that stuff.
I mean he was trying to use NS to recruit supporters and the mods deleted him for it.
And then he makes another post asking to talk to Max about it.
Plus his post was very detailed about how to make an explosive. How and why would he know that if his intention wasn't serious?

Nah, his other nation got DEATed a little while ago. It looked like someone took control of his nation from his computer, but (from the thread I read, I don't know if it's true) he apparently had used this excuse before.
That's what Steph. claims. And she's free to believe it. But its wrong.

Right, if Athiesm is different for everyone, then wouldn't it be a faith in oneself? It does take courage to believe you're on your own and there exists no afterlife, but in reciprocation, it also takes courage to believe there is a god, and you will be saved. I won't support one side or the other. Athiesm can be fine, as long as the person has a faith in themselves in any way, shape, or form. And Religions can be fine, as long as their faith is to something they believe in, and not to modern day corporate worship practices (unless of course they place their faith in that, haha.)

It's a great idea to not make any assumptions about god and afterlife, because people ought not assume anything. Opinions, beliefs, and alliegences should be formed through personal experience. The thing is, you only know what you yourself have learned, and that is what your decisions should be based on. Take nothing for truth unless you yourself can verify it.

As for athiesm being a flaw, that is in reference to a complete lack of faith, which is a problem for the individual and the community.

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.