NationStates Jolt Archive

Now, I know that provoking thought from liberals tends to be a little dangerous. After all, once their minds have been conditioned to parrot the talking points from their favorite fringe groups (most of which have only one thing in common, they hate George Bush, even when they don't really know why...,) it becomes really painful for them to consider any other points of view.

Then again, only in the liberal mindset, does anyone who disagrees with the latest leftist group-thought get called "heartless/racist/Nazi/brownshirt/etc..."

Anyway, here are 2 articles that I think are good light reading for today...Lefties, do notice that I am giving the Sandy Burglar story the same treatment the media ("what Liberal media???") is giving it...after all, I could spend hours (that I no longer have available) discussing that matter, and what should be done about Mister "Are those classified documents in your pants or are you just happy to see me?" But I won't do it until I see the media ("what Liberal media???") actually cover the story.

- The editorial of today's Pittsburgh, PA Tribune-Review (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/archive/s_204905.html), does an excellent job of covering the internal turmoil of the Democratic party, heading into their convention. All that talk about "Democratic unity behind John Kerry?" Don't believe it.

- Well, well, well...Hillary Clinton has finally been given a speaking role in the Democratic convention. Alas for her, it's just to introduce the guy she is married to. Again, so much for party unity...after all, she got that spot only after much badgering of the Kerry team by New York operatives. I guess the Kerry team (starting with Chappaquiddick Ted) wanted Hillary to "know her role and smell what's cookin'" (it contains waffles and ketchup...) Anyway, Jim Shea, writing in the Hartford Courant (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/news/editorial/9223284.htm), writes the speech that Hillary should, but will not give while introducing Bill. Regardless, once you read this, you know that it is what will be on her mind...

Have fun...get out of the house, and enjoy time with those you love.

of course its the liberals who speak out way too much and who are inteolerant and hateful when the conservatives type how much they are in every single statement they make whether having anything to do with it or not

My views on conservatives and liberals can be summed up thusly:

Conservatives hold the disgusting view that the "strong" should rule over the "weak". Liberals hold the equally disgusting view that the "strong" can be expected to restrain themselves.

Now, I know that provoking thought from liberals tends to be a little dangerous. After all, once their minds have been conditioned to parrot the talking points from their favorite fringe groups (most of which have only one thing in common, they hate George Bush, even when they don't really know why...,) it becomes really painful for them to consider any other points of view.

Then again, only in the liberal mindset, does anyone who disagrees with the latest leftist group-thought get called "heartless/racist/Nazi/brownshirt/etc..."

Anyway, here are 2 articles that I think are good light reading for today...Lefties, do notice that I am giving the Sandy Burglar story the same treatment the media ("what Liberal media???") is giving it...after all, I could spend hours (that I no longer have available) discussing that matter, and what should be done about Mister "Are those classified documents in your pants or are you just happy to see me?" But I won't do it until I see the media ("what Liberal media???") actually cover the story.

- The editorial of today's Pittsburgh, PA Tribune-Review (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/archive/s_204905.html), does an excellent job of covering the internal turmoil of the Democratic party, heading into their convention. All that talk about "Democratic unity behind John Kerry?" Don't believe it.

- Well, well, well...Hillary Clinton has finally been given a speaking role in the Democratic convention. Alas for her, it's just to introduce the guy she is married to. Again, so much for party unity...after all, she got that spot only after much badgering of the Kerry team by New York operatives. I guess the Kerry team (starting with Chappaquiddick Ted) wanted Hillary to "know her role and smell what's cookin'" (it contains waffles and ketchup...) Anyway, Jim Shea, writing in the Hartford Courant (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/news/editorial/9223284.htm), writes the speech that Hillary should, but will not give while introducing Bill. Regardless, once you read this, you know that it is what will be on her mind...

Have fun...get out of the house, and enjoy time with those you love.


Finally someone who puts some effort into what they are trying to point out.

So what's the news here? The Democratic party has been disorganized since the late 90s and their inability to deal with the political witchhunt that Grand Inquisitor Ken Starr presided over. If the Dems lose this election, it won't be because Bush is the better candidate, but because they were unable to form a cohesive, unified alternative. People aren't happy with Bush, but they can't trust the Dems because there's no message and at least Bush is a known evil. No one's voting "for" anyone this time around, just voting "against" things.

Nice way to present the same tired old recap as relevant information, though. Kudos on your grasp of political spin.

We liberals really take too much s*** from the right. We have done nothing to deserve it.

We liberals really take too much s*** from the right. We have done nothing to deserve it.

The left throw just about as much at conservatives. As for deserving it tell that to the guys who make you all look like idiots when the burst out yelling at the guy explaining HIS/HER view that doesn't seem similar to there own. You dont see conservative people screaming and argueing you see them laughing at the liberal who is. As for me I just sit back watch and laugh at both of them and wait to see if it get violent.

The left throw just about as much at conservatives. As for deserving it tell that to the guys who make you all look like idiots when the burst out yelling at the guy explaining HIS/HER view that doesn't seem similar to there own. You dont see conservative people screaming and argueing you see them laughing at the liberal who is. As for me I just sit back watch and laugh at both of them and wait to see if it get violent.

So liberals scream and conservatives dismiss and nothing ever changes. Glad we settled that.

Really want something thought-provoking, as compared to that jokes that Panhandlia regularly posts? Check out Barbara Ehrenreich's column (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/25/opinion/25ehre.html?hp) in today's NY Times titled "Wal-Mart Invades Earth."

Really want something thought-provoking, as compared to that jokes that Panhandlia regularly posts? Check out Barbara Ehrenreich's column (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/25/opinion/25ehre.html?hp) in today's NY Times titled "Wal-Mart Invades Earth."

I'd love to, but I refuse to register.

Is "Wal-Mart Greeter" a publicly elected office now?

Really want something thought-provoking, as compared to that jokes that Panhandlia regularly posts? Check out Barbara Ehrenreich's column (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/25/opinion/25ehre.html?hp) in today's NY Times titled "Wal-Mart Invades Earth."
I also refuse to register, however, http://www.bugmenot.com is very good at getting around that inconvenience. However, in the spirit of saving a little time, here's a synopsis.

Oh, gee. Another "Wal-Mart is evil incarnate because it's a non-union environment" story. Yawn. Wake me up when they actually write an article with a good argument against shopping at Wal-Mart. By the way, "Wal-Mart crowds out the 'Mom n Pop' stores" isn't compelling, either.

Just like "we hate GW Bush" is not really a good argument for voting for Jean Francois Kerry (not that there are that many to start out with,) crying out "Wal-Mart employees aren't unionized" is not a good argument against shopping there (in fact, it's a damn good reason for me to actually shop there, knowing my hard-earned money is not going to a union.)

Best argument to not shop at Wal-Mart: They sell crap.

Wins every time.

The left throw just about as much at conservatives. As for deserving it tell that to the guys who make you all look like idiots when the burst out yelling at the guy explaining HIS/HER view that doesn't seem similar to there own. You dont see conservative people screaming and argueing you see them laughing at the liberal who is. As for me I just sit back watch and laugh at both of them and wait to see if it get violent.
vull crap, all conservatives do is throw out crap about how liberal everything ois and how liberals are evil. everytime one makes a statement it involves accusing liberals of something, even if that is irrelevant to the topic of the statement

I have noticed that usually the only people to give labels of "conservative" or "liberal" are the conservatives. There is such a wide range of liberal ideas, most "liberals" have another label for themselves. For instance, I am a Civil Libertarian (meaning I am for promoting the rights of individuals over government).

The true political spectrum, however is not a simple continuum. There are actually TWO continua: the Economic left/right scale and the Social Libertarian/Authoritarian scale.

For instance, I very much lean toward the Social Libertarian side (away from authoritarian rule) on SOCIAL ISSUES.

However, I am a centrist on ECONOMIC ISSUES.

If you would like to see where you stand on the Political Compass, check out this site and take the quiz:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Don't be fooled by Conservative rhetoric...there are more than just Liberals and Conservatives. (of course, most Conservatives just have a knee-jerk reaction to anyone who doesn't agree with them, and call them "liberals" or other names meant to be derrogatory.)

And I think it is especially interesting that Panhandlia pointed out that regardless of our differences, all the informed groups DO agree--Bush is bad for America and Americans.

Best argument to not shop at Wal-Mart: They sell crap.

Wins every time.
And I actually do accept that one, given my experiences with Wal-Mart.

And I think it is especially interesting that Panhandlia pointed out that regardless of our differences, all the informed groups DO agree--Bush is bad for America and Americans.
Whoa there...just where exactly do you pull that one out of?

Eh--Panhandlia, you can shop wherever you like. No skin off my ass. But I'll tell you why I don't shop at Wal-Mart, but I will shop at Costco.

I can get the same goods for about the same prices at both places--the difference is literally pennies--but Costco pays their employees a living wage, provides health insurance for about 90% of them, and manages to do it while being more profitable per store than the Wal-Mart segment they compete directly with--Sam's Club. How? They're more efficient, and because they actually give a shit about their employees, they don't have the 44% turnover rate that Wal-Mart does. When it comes right down to it, Costco is just run better than Wal-Mart is for the long haul.

See, Wal-Mart is running into the same problem other fast-growing companies have run into--if you can't keep growing at the same rate, you can't stay as profitable, and Wal-Mart is running into resistance now. It happened to Microsoft. It happened to ClearChannel.

But Wal-Mart has another problem. Henry Ford once said that he had to pay his employees enough that they could buy his product. Wal-mart isn't doing that, and they've got the lowest prices around. If the largest employer in the US won't pay their people enough so they can afford to shop at Wal-Mart, then Wal-Mart's going to have problems with sales, and guess what? Wal-Mart's sales have been flat for the last year. They've got a business strategy that fails in the long term.

Now if Wal-Mart realizes that and changes its tune, starts paying its employees enough that they don't have to go on food stamps and put their kids on free lunch and medicaid, then perhaps I'll shop there again. But if I have a choice between getting the same deal from a company that abuses people and a company that treats empoyees with dignity and respect, I'll take the second choice. Costco all the way.

I'd love to, but I refuse to register.

use crimethinc for your login name and for your password. works almost everywhere. and remember to thank your local anarchist.

Just like to say good for TropicalMontana for that avenue of self-education.
Also like to say i somewhat give credit for pointing out a topic or two of less then arguable conversation on Panhandlia's part, since possibly millions of people already heard this topic and spin on Savage last week, with much more expansion and timing.
Good for you to try and keep us up! ;)