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That way you may mysticaly change what has already happend casue if it works i am going to whine about my grandmother being dead. I mean come on the war is almost done doing its duty so you can start whining about some thing else!

That way you may mysticaly change what has already happend casue if it works i am going to whine about my grandmother being dead. I mean come on the war is almost done doing its duty so you can start whining about some thing else!

If i had shot your grandmother that would have given you the right to whine, even tho it was already done and whining most probably wouldnt change it.

And i would most likly face procecution but its hard to procecute someone with Aircraft Carriers.

Flax

I can whine! We should never have gone to war in Iraq! Bush lied about WMDs! Even through four independent sources say he didn't lie, the information provided to him was faulty, and we have found some WMDs in Iraq...We can just ignore all that, because we don't like Bush, and he talks funny! So, we ousted one of the most murderous dictators in the history of mankind...Who caers? Bush looks like a monkey!

</liberal bullshit>

1) The war is not almost over. It's looking increasingly like we could be there for years.
2) The only WMD found so far have been random decade-or-more old chemical shells that Sadam may or may no have even known about.
3) Even if it was just faulty info (despite that, from what I've read, they were quite determined from the start to invade Iraq, and frequently ignored or downplayed information that contradicted what they wanted to be the truth), thats still the biggest scandal this country has ever had.
4) We may not be able to change the past, but if nothing else, we can remove this war-mongering idiot from power before we end up fighting another stupid, pointless war.

we have found some WMDs in Iraq..
Please state what weapons of MASS Destruction you have found


we ousted one of the most murderous dictators in the history of mankind.
</liberal bullshit>

I knew some americans where a tad soft in the history department but this is just hilarious.

But yes he was a dictator, but does it even matter to you that he comited the worst of his crimes under US protection and as your ally ?

Flax

Now, I applaud peoples' right to whine, but while you're whining, maybe you should be honoring your pledge of Allegience to your country. It's one thing to not like Bush, it's another to act all pouty and cry until you get your way. Don't like Bush? Fine, don't vote for him, but at least support him while he's in office. And by support I mean don't be an ass just because you can.

Now, I applaud peoples' right to whine, but while you're whining, maybe you should be honoring your pledge of Allegience to your country. It's one thing to not like Bush, it's another to act all pouty and cry until you get your way. Don't like Bush? Fine, don't vote for him, but at least support him while he's in office. And by support I mean don't be an ass just because you can.
By pledging allegiance to your country, you make no affiliation whatsoever to your leader. Griping about the terrible job he is doing is part of your allegiance because it helps get the message out that you don't like him, possibly making more peopel vote against him.

Weapons of mass destruction are described as either nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons. So, how about the shells full of mustard gas, or whatever it was. Or, the Mossad intelligence report that says the 20 tons of nerve agents captured from al Qaeda members by the Jordanian government came from Iraq.

Does it matter to you that the US never told Saddam to destroy the Marsh Arabs, or gas Kurdish children? Oh me, oh my, I just answered your question with a question of a rhetorical nature.

Weapons of mass destruction are described as either nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons. So, how about the shells full of mustard gas, or whatever it was. Or, the Mossad intelligence report that says the 20 tons of nerve agents captured from al Qaeda members by the Jordanian government came from Iraq.

Does it matter to you that the US never told Saddam to destroy the Marsh Arabs, or gas Kurdish children? Oh me, oh my, I just answered your question with a question of a rhetorical nature.
How about all the Iraqis that have cancer because of the uranium or whatever from the shells and stuff left behind by the US in the first war in Iraq?...
How about all the WMDs the United States and other countries have?...

How about all the Iraqis that have cancer because of the uranium or whatever from the shells and stuff left behind by the US in the first war in Iraq?...
How about all the WMDs the United States and other countries have?...


Whoops.

"Why are we allowed to have WMDs, but they aren't?!"
Why are so many other nations that have them allowed to have them? Because they don't harbor terrorists, they don't provide aid to terrorists, they have stable governments, and they wouldn't use them on their own people.

Whoops.

"Why are we allowed to have WMDs, but they aren't?!"
Why are so many other nations that have them allowed to have them? Because they don't harbor terrorists, they don't provide aid to terrorists, they have stable governments, and they wouldn't use them on their own people.
Saddam harbored and provided aid to terrorists? I thought that was disproven...and even if it wasn't what's the deal with Iran?

Whoops.

"Why are we allowed to have WMDs, but they aren't?!"
Why are so many other nations that have them allowed to have them? Because they don't harbor terrorists, they don't provide aid to terrorists, they have stable governments, and they wouldn't use them on their own people.
I'm glad you also completely ignore my first argument...

Weapons of mass destruction are described as either nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons. So, how about the shells full of mustard gas, or whatever it was.


Pleasy try and get your facts right i mean it cant be all that hard now can it.

Yes there have been artillery shells found with traces of chemical agents.
IE they can very well have been listed as destryed in accordance to UN resolutions.

And the gasing of the cusrds was during the 80-88 conflict with iran where the kurds suported iran.
And if you sold him chemical weapons to use against the iranians can you act surprised when he used them against the kurds ?

If so you are more blinded by propaganda than i thought possible.

Flax.

Ps.
And NO i dont hate America heve tho i might hate american foregin policy.
Ds.

Whoops.

Because they don't harbor terrorists, they don't provide aid to terrorists, they have stable governments, and they wouldn't use them on their own people.

Hmm it might come as a surprise to you but you harbour people who blow up cuban civilian airliners, sound a bit terroristy to me.

And kolera blankets to US native indian seems like using biological agets on your own population.

I admit that the blankets was quite some time ago but it was still done.

Flax

Hmm it might come as a surprise to you but you harbour people who blow up cuban civilian airliners, sound a bit terroristy to me.

And kolera blankets to US native indian seems like using biological agets on your own population.

I admit that the blankets was quite some time ago but it was still done.

Flax
Cuban civil airliners? Enlighten me.

Cholera, you mean? Well, I can't say I'm particularly proud of that part of my nation's history.

How about all the Iraqis that have cancer because of the uranium or whatever from the shells and stuff left behind by the US in the first war in Iraq?...
By ignoring it...you prove that it isn't real and isn't worthy of a response...

Cholera, you mean? Well, I can't say I'm particularly proud of that part of my nation's history.

Sorry about the spelling i unwittingly used the swedish spelling, my bad

And abot the airliner that would be this.

1976, soon after a Cuban airliner took off from Barbados en route to Jamaica and Havana, a bomb exploded in the plane -- killing 73 people aboard. The men linked by extensive evidence to the crime, Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada, had a long history of working closely with the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency.


you can probably google the rest

Flax

Er, people, the sad fact is that Saddam never had the capability to effectively attack the United States. If he did somehow have "Weapons of Mass Destruction", that were actually able to cause "Mass Destruction", in any form to the American people, it seems to me that he would've used them during the short-lived war.

this thread is just painful to read. Most of you don't have a grasp of anything resembling facts, course this is a rant type thread and we don't really expect logic or facts in a rant.

One thing would be nice if you don't mind....SPELLING....please double check it. If you can't double check your alleged facts at least double check your spelling.

We can work on logic right after we work on putting your words into something definable as a cogent thought. Yeah like that is going to happen with you all. :sniper: :gundge: :headbang: :D :p

this thread is just painful to read. Most of you don't have a grasp of anything resembling facts, course this is a rant type thread and we don't really expect logic or facts in a rant.

One thing would be nice if you don't mind....SPELLING....please double check it. If you can't double check your alleged facts at least double check your spelling.

We can work on logic right after we work on putting your words into something definable as a cogent thought. Yeah like that is going to happen with you all. :sniper: :gundge: :headbang: :D :p
I wonder what "alleged facts" you're questioning...

One thing would be nice if you don't mind....SPELLING....please double check it. If you can't double check your alleged facts at least double check your spelling.


Granted my spelling isnt perfect in anyway, English isnt my first language and i do have slight problesm with dyslexia, but in what way does that discredit my views and facts ?

Flax

That way you may mysticaly change what has already happend casue if it works i am going to whine about my grandmother being dead. I mean come on the war is almost done doing its duty so you can start whining about some thing else!

...hmm, could it be because we don't want the same thing happening to other countries?

Can I ask a silly question: how old are you? Just curious...

and we have found some WMDs in Iraq
We have found old chemical shells that haven't been usable for a while now, possibly dating back to the Gulf War or even before that. Other than that...we've got ourself one single little Serin gas mine, and we can debate whether it was imported by terrorist or actually belonged to Saddam all we want…but why bother? This is an argument about WMD’s…

Now, I applaud peoples' right to whine, but while you're whining, maybe you should be honoring your pledge of Allegience to your country. It's one thing to not like Bush, it's another to act all pouty and cry until you get your way. Don't like Bush? Fine, don't vote for him, but at least support him while he's in office. And by support I mean don't be an ass just because you can.

Oh please, give me a break. Obviously you lack the knowledge of the men who gave us this country, men who encouraged us to use our first amendment if we did not like our leaders. Furthermore, our pledge is to our country, our founding fundamentals and beliefs, and the freedom that comes with being here, not to the man whose running in office…especially if the man whose running is trying to destroy those founding principles. Besides, you should be grateful. In the old days, if people didn’t like things were running they formed lynch mobs and rebellions.

Now about the war in Iraq, personally I don’t believe we should’ve gone over there. Was Saddam killing innocent men and women? Yes, he was, and he probably would’ve continued to do so, but that’s what comes with a dictatorship. So are we going to get rid of one dictatorship, but not get rid of the several others? Oh, I know…the reason we went over there is because he hates America…well if that’s the reason then we should prepare our self for another world war because A LOT of people hate America…mainly due to our current leadership. Or was the reason because he had ties to Osama Bin Laden? We still haven’t found any proof to that. There is slight evidence that MAY show that his Secret Security had contacts with Al-Quaida and perhaps funded some Sunni cells, however I sincerely doubt that Saddam had contact with Osama…considering Osama hates Saddam in the first place and has publicly spoken out against him, even verbally supported the Shiite uprising in 91. So there you have that.

Saddam did however support HAMAS suicide bomber’s families with funds, but what were they going to buy with that money? Another mud hut to get bulldozed down by our good friend Sharon to make room for housing developments and a big wall? If that’s why we went to war, shouldn’t this be Israel’s business? Why haven’t they dedicated mass troops to Iraq? After all, the IDF is the most well trained fighting force on the planet. Give us some of their boys so we can send these second rate South Koreans home and take some of our boys out.

So why did we go there? We had a lot of other things that we could’ve dedicated these trillions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of troops to. Like perhaps to capturing [drum roll] Mr. Osama Bin Laden. But of course, the great George W Bush decided he’d put his hands in another basket while the man that is responsible for the deaths of over 3,000 American civilians is still taking a vacation in the beautiful mountains of Afghanistan/Pakistan. This of all other things was what bothered me most about this war.

Now I’m no longer whining about the war in Iraq, because quite frankly it’s pointless. I also am rather neutral, actually more towards NOT taking our troops out just yet due to the current turmoil in Iraq. I honestly believe that we should keep our troops there a little while until the Iraqi military builds up to protect themselves…only to slip into another civil war within the next ten years.

I like that last one furer, but you are wrong on one thing. I recently read that the secret service member of Saddaams wasnt in Prauge (the supposed meeting place of the two men) at the time of the "meeting" and the terrorist wasnt in prauge as well.

and we are killing more iraqi people then saddaam was. just last week there were 100 iraqi casualties a week! and I forget the number but for every 1 dead there are 10 injured? a side effect of america invading iraq was the disassembling of task force 5. this task force was later changed into task force 20. the difference? task force 5s main purpose was finding Osama and his top men. however the moment iraq was invaded TF5s mission changed to look for saddaam. odd aparently a man killing his own people is more important then a man who launched an attack and killed 3000. I guess between cheyne and well, cheyne he decided they could pass more laws to crush civil liberties not to mention iraq would make thier friends rich(er). USA PATRIOT act and Haliburton.

Whoops.

"Why are we allowed to have WMDs, but they aren't?!"
Why are so many other nations that have them allowed to have them? Because they don't harbor terrorists, they don't provide aid to terrorists, they have stable governments, and they wouldn't use them on their own people.
But the US did harbour terrorists, provided them aid, and munitions and even trained them.

China, Russia, and North Korea have WMD. You think they ever harboured and/or trained terrorists? Will the US be taking their toys away from them anytime soon? Not likely.

Why does the US have WMD? To attack other countries such as Iraq, under false pretenses? Oh sorry, I forgot, they were designed to defend America from attack.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0113-01.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0113-01.htm

This is questionable, becuase Depleted Uranium, or as I'll call it U-238 is no more radioactive then the land your sitting on right now, the air you're breathing, and the water that you drink. U-238 itself is no threat at all. It's just a super hard metal that can be used for military purposes, now there is a minute amount of radioactive dust on a U-238 shell that if you inhaled all of would be no more carcinogenic than smoking a cigarette. I mean, U-238 is just a super hard metal. Just because it's got "uranium" in the name doesn't mean its any more radioactive than the monitor you're staring at right now.

Just because it's got "uranium" in the name doesn't mean its any more radioactive than the monitor you're staring at right now.

http://www.health-now.org/site/article.php?menuId=16&articleId=94

The toxicity is not debatable as the Director of the U.S. Army Environmental Policy Institute stated in a congressionally mandated report that "No available technology can significantly change the inherent chemical and radiological toxicity of DU. These are intrinsic properties of uranium " (Health and Environmental Consequences of Depleted Uranium Use in the U.S. Army: Technical Report, AEPI, June 1995).

http://www.health-now.org/site/article.php?menuId=16&articleId=94
The following is from the World Health Organization (WHO) regarding depleted uranium munitions, and hopefully clears up any misconceptions.

http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/pub_meet/en/DU_Eng.pdf