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"For god so loved the world that he gave his only beggoten son, that who soever beliveth in him, shall not perish, but have ever-lasting life.

Jim SC

Indeed.

What?

w00t. everlasting life. *signs up*

Whoope de doo, you can quote the bible :rolleyes:

Whoope de doo, you can quote the bible :rolleyes:

I guess you cought the smart-ass.

Jim

Hmmm, so, if I shot a believer in the head, and they did die, could the family sue the christian god for false advertising of his product ?

Anyone else missing the point. Maybe I'm just too far gone.

Hmmm, so, if I shot a believer in the head, and they did die, could the family sue the christian god for false advertising of his product ?
:D

Too far gone ? Turn around and drive back, ;)

Hmmm, I should be happy, this thread just served to remind me " The Man Who Sued God " is on tonight, I love that movie.

" So, like, I read his latest catalogue, but like, who stocks this " ever-lasting " life ? "

I hear you can get an object that grants immortality on TS2...

Hmmm, so, if I shot a believer in the head, and they did die, could the family sue the christian god for false advertising of his product ?

i think you might have misinterpreted "everlasting life". this does not refer to the physical life but spiritual life. you can destroy the body, but you can never destroy the spirit.

So Big Jim provides an explanation for his unexpected scripture-quotin':
I stand above you all as a Satanist, for I WILL PROTECT the lives of my children.

2 Jim,
Bring on the BeelzeBubba!

i think you might have misinterpreted "everlasting life". this does not refer to the physical life but spiritual life. you can destroy the body, but you can never destroy the spirit.

Well, its hardly my fault, clearly the product discription label is lacking. Some one should really have a chat to the Christian God about that. He could get his ass litigated off if he is not more careful. Its not GM too is it ?

i think you might have misinterpreted "everlasting life". this does not refer to the physical life but spiritual life. you can destroy the body, but you can never destroy the spirit.

You think God would have people who eliminated ambiguity from his contracts...

Well, its hardly my fault, clearly the product discription label is lacking. Some one should really have a chat to the Christian God about that. He could get his ass litigated off if he is not more careful. Its not GM too is it ?

You beat me *pout*.

And I never did get that spank…

You beat me *pout*.

And I never did get that spank…

1) " Wax on ... wax off ... " ;)

2) Don't make me come over-there Britty ! :)

You think God would have people who eliminated ambiguity from his contracts ...

Yes well, when Jesus gets back, I can just see him going back through the book with a big red pen and saying " For the Love of Me, they got this auto-biography all wrong ... No wonder dad was so pissed off ... "

:D

'And for the love of NED, who is this 'Paul' dude?'

John 15:12
My command is this- love one another as I have loved you.

This is why Christian law says you should throw stones at gay people. Did the authors never go to Junior School? What next? Run with scissors near adulterers?

John 15:12
My command is this- love one another as I have loved you.

This is why Christian law says you should throw stones at gay people. Did the authors never go to Junior School? What next? Run with scissors near adulterers?
"Alright, no one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle." :D

"Alright, no one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle." :D


"Look. I-- I'd had a lovely supper, and all I said to my wife was, 'That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.' "

John 15:12
My command is this- love one another as I have loved you.

This is why Christian law says you should throw stones at gay people. Did the authors never go to Junior School? What next? Run with scissors near adulterers?

Well, that was certainly random. ;)

Hmmm, thats what I love about atheism.

As soon as some one says " Let he who is with-out sin cast the first stone " I can grab a bucket full of pebbles and run around tossing handfuls through peoples hair ...

:)

You think God would have people who eliminated ambiguity from his contracts...

What do you expect, all the lawyers are playing tennis with the Dark Prince himself.

You think God would have people who eliminated ambiguity from his contracts...

Blame the traslators, it's a bit clearer in the original Hebrew.

Blame the traslators, it's a bit clearer in the original Hebrew.
Exactly. After Jehovah munched on that heavenly halibut, He said: "Eye for an eye, sucka!"

Anyone else missing the point. Maybe I'm just too far gone.

I don't get the point either really. Is it a "ffs, become a christian now!!!!1111oneeleven" threads?

What do you expect, all the lawyers are playing tennis with the Dark Prince himself.
If God is both omnipotent and benevolent why did he create lawyers?

I don't get the point either really. Is it a "ffs, become a christian now!!!!1111oneeleven" threads?
The Bible only persuades Christians. Chick tracts would have been better. More entertaining at least.

Quotes from the bible.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Clare 2:15 'And she said; 'long have we suffered at the hands of the jelly babies. The red one did murder your brother. So let us cast the jelly babies from the earth and eat wine gums.' And so the people rejoiced.'

"For god so loved the world that he gave his only beggoten son, that who soever beliveth in him, shall not perish, but have ever-lasting life.

Jim SC


Well, there's an inheret problem with this verse. It's a nice idea and all, but it is self-defeated by the concept of Hell.

If you don't believe, according to the NT, you go to Hell. Damned forever to the lake of fire.

So ....

1] Believe and have everlasting life.
2] Don't believe and have everlasting life.

So, either way, live forever (spiritually) ...

You'll have to try harder than that.

Clare 2:15 'And she said; 'long have we suffered at the hands of the jelly babies. The red one did murder your brother. So let us cast the jelly babies from the earth and eat wine gums.' And so the people rejoiced.'
*LMAO*
as it was stated in the Book of Oompa Loompa

Isn't hell destroyed in the Armageddon?

*LMAO*
as it was stated in the Book of Oompa Loompa
No, no, the book of Oompa Loompa says 'thou shalt eat jelly babies for they are created in the image of God' Why do you think we have so many religious wars?

I think one of my favorite NT verses is 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12:

"Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

God forces people to believe in lies and then condemns them for it.

Neat!

We stopped talking about the bible ages ago… :p

We stopped talking about the bible ages ago… :p

An hour is "ages"? Man ... you must have the metabolism of a hummingbird!

I can fly too.

I can fly too.


I've tried that, but I've never been distracted at just the right moment and I keep hitting the ground.

I think one of my favorite NT verses is 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12:

"Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

God forces people to believe in lies and then condemns them for it.

Neat!

Biblical proof that the Matrix exists.

I've tried that, but I've never been distracted at just the right moment and I keep hitting the ground.
You're lucky, the first time I tried I fell through it.

Biblical proof that the Matrix exists.
you realize the matrix was a christianity parody right

you realize the matrix was a christianity parody right

Ever read Plato's Republic?

In Plato’s Republic he uses what is called “the cave allegory” to describe what he believed to be the way most people perceived the world. Plato said it was as if they were chained against the wall of a cave, unable to turn in any direction and able only to see the light and shadows cast upon the wall before them by a nearby fire. Those in charge occasionally move figurines that are seen as certain shadows on the wall. This vision of the light and shadows contained all anyone chained in the cave knew of reality. One day a man was allowed to escape and see the world as it actually existed, which was, of course, a little different. When he returned to the cave in order to share his vision with the others he is received with mockery and resistance. The cave dwellers tell him he’s gone mad.

I'm pretty sure this is where the Wachowski brothers got the idea.

Plato was a very devoted Pagan. :)

Anyone else think that John 3:16 lost it's meaning after being commercialized by all that wrestling crap? I'm sure God approved of that one.

you realize the matrix was a christianity parody right
Actually, I didn't. That movie was stupid. But then, so is Christianity.

How is it a parody?

Actually, I didn't. That movie was stupid. But then, so is Christianity.

How is it a parody?
parody isnt the right word but its the only one that came to mind


well neo is like jesus and he is saving ZION from the machines, the demons, and he has to sacrifice his life to stop the demons

Would parallel be a better word for it?

well neo is like jesus and he is saving ZION from the machines, the demons, and he has to sacrifice his life to stop the demons
Parody implies they were making fun of the story of Jesus, parallel implies that they respect it and want to spread the message to others...

Parody implies they were making fun of the story of Jesus, parallel implies that they respect it and want to spread the message to others...
i think i meant allegory not sure

Which Matrix are we talking about? The Matrix? The Matrix: Reloaded? Or The Matrix 3: We Anal Rape You and Steal Your Money?

How is it a parody?

Not really a parody, as has been said, but having characters called The One, Trinity, Cyper (Lucifer?), a city called Zion (heaven), a ship called the Nebuchednezzer (that's not spelled right..), mix in prophets, revelations, martyrdom, resurection and a Last Battle and yo get a skewed version of the biblical story.

This site (http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/religion/blrel_matrix_xtn.htm) is one of many FAQs on the net about the subject. Just chuck in 'matrix' and 'christianity' into Google.

Of course it could just all be hype...

Isn't hell destroyed in the Armageddon?

No, not really, I think...Actually, Satan is cast down into hell. Rather, the Lake of Fire, which I think is hell, or part of it, or something like that.

Well, there's an inheret problem with this verse. It's a nice idea and all, but it is self-defeated by the concept of Hell.

If you don't believe, according to the NT, you go to Hell. Damned forever to the lake of fire.

So ....

1] Believe and have everlasting life.
2] Don't believe and have everlasting life.

So, either way, live forever (spiritually) ...

You'll have to try harder than that.

Hell is spiritual death. Again, life/death here does not refer to physical mortality, but to the state of being of your soul.
It would be better to say that the spirit exists forever.

And I'm not sure, but I think that there's a separate set of words in the original text for spiritual life/death. It just doesn't translate.

parody isnt the right word but its the only one that came to mind


well neo is like jesus and he is saving ZION from the machines, the demons, and he has to sacrifice his life to stop the demons

The Matrix was a mix of a bunch of theological ideas, Christianity included. There's a bit of the yin-yang stuff, and some other things...
But it's not completely based on Jesus, otherwise Neo would have come back. He also would have beat Smith instead of doing the wierd meld-connection-thing (that would be the yin-yang bits).

But yes, there is a bit of Christian theology in it.

The Matrix was a mix of a bunch of theological ideas, Christianity included. There's a bit of the yin-yang stuff, and some other things...
But it's not completely based on Jesus, otherwise Neo would have come back. He also would have beat Smith instead of doing the wierd meld-connection-thing (that would be the yin-yang bits).

But yes, there is a bit of Christian theology in it.
neo does come back remember? every so many generation a new one comes back to save zion from the machines, its a cycle

That, and people fail to realize how many different religions, stories, and legends are either based on Jesus or sound like it.

The whole dying to save others is a popular story...There's a reason why it's called the "ultimate sacrifice."

There's also a reason why there's a verse in the Bible that asks if you would die for Jesus.

neo does come back remember? every so many generation a new one comes back to save zion from the machines, its a cycle

Which is most definitely not Christian theology. That's more along the lines of Mormonism, which under most definitions isn't Christianity (though, they claim to be).

For there were many superstitious people who invented the idea of an afterlife to assuage their irrational fear of death, and concoted a story of a jew who died and came back to life to grant passage to the afterlife, for whoever believes that childish story will believe just about anything, including that they are lowly wicked people who need that dead jew to get them to the afterlife.

parody isnt the right word but its the only one that came to mind


well neo is like jesus and he is saving ZION from the machines, the demons, and he has to sacrifice his life to stop the demons

Many movies can in that case be called a parody of christianity. Well, maybe not many, but quite a few. However I think that it is more based on the thoughts of Plato.

Wait, did a Satanist just quote the Bible?

Ha! That's fantastic!

:)

For there were many superstitious people who invented the idea of an afterlife to assuage their irrational fear of death, and concoted a story of a jew who died and came back to life to grant passage to the afterlife, for whoever believes that childish story will believe just about anything, including that they are lowly wicked people who need that dead jew to get them to the afterlife.


Wow, this is a difficult subject matter, simply because people seem to have such strong opinions on it. Big Jim, i have no idea why you posted that single quote and nothing else about it. I hope that you would base your beliefs off of more than just single lines. There is so much good stuff in the bible, but the message is not in quotes, it is in the stories. After years of being passed down through oral tradition, and then in multiple translations (some by kings, ruler, or opinionated monks who also edited the content) it is difficult to trust the specific words. The overall message is still there though, and that's what you have to read for. Don't just throw a quote out unless you have something to say about. Otherwise you show that you have no ideas of your own and are useless both to the message board, and according to the messages in the bible (see the parable of the master who gave his servents talents).
As for you BAAWA, i am sorry that you feel this way so strongly. Not that i am sorry for you, but i am sorry that the religious right, as well as the multiple translations, have so corrupted religion that you see no value in it. It is a shame to see conservatives running around saying that Chrisitanity belongs to them and turning all liberals away from it's benefitial teachings. It is especially a shame that these conservatives are too busy coming up with slander and spreading negetivism to actually appreciate Christianity. Perhaps if they did, they would realize that Jesus was a liberal. I mean come on, in his eyes, everyone was worthy as long asthey had an open mind. He talked to men and women (and evidence shows he was actually married), he talked to people from every economic class, from princes to paupers. He was all about tithing and giving alms to the poor, so i'm pretty sure that he would be a huge fan of socialized health care. He had long hair and a beard and wore sandles! (Ok, that was a joke.) Just read the following that he said (with a grain of salt of course as stated above) and then try to tell me he would not be considered a liberal today:

"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
(from Matthew 5:3-10, NKJV)

Now BAAWA, i know it mentions heaven and God in there, and you may not want not believe in a heaven that is like a place up in the clouds where everything is white and you lay on your back and have grapes fed to you. I don't want to imagine that either. That would be terribly boring. But, if you read it and think of oneness with the earth, with it's cycles; if you think about sustainibile practices and protecting the environment, and therefore living a happier life, i would consider that being one with the earth, and would work for me as being one with God. Now, with theoretical physics and the idea of multi-dimentional realms existing beyond this one with it's three spacial dementions and then time, i am leaving my mind open to the idea that there actually may be a heaven out there. But for now, with my limited understanding as i inhabit this fragile human body, i'm not going to worry about what that is like. I am instead going to enjoy my time here on earth as best as i can, always giving credit to the great creative powers that formed it and thought of such glorious devices like evolution, cell biology, and even just how colors interact. We need to stop quarrelling about who's right and who's wrong, and just appreciate life, because guess what, it will only last so long. So, if you are optimistic and believe that there might be something after this existance, and that getting there will depend on you being buddy buddy with God the creater, well. you better start appreciating his work, because how embarased would you be if you met him and he said "Hey, what did you think of those beatles i made, weren't they cool", and all you could say was, well, i never really looked at them cause i thought bugs were gross." I don't think that he would want to hang out with you at that point.
And, if it turns out that there is nothing after this life, that this is all we get, then we better enjoy it. And i don't mean enjoy it by buying everything out there -- that is a non-sustainible practice, and only distracts from true happiness. Enjoy it by thinking, talking loving, watching sunsets and sunrises, taking the time to splash in puddles and not worrying about getting our pants dirty, smiling at everyone, whether or not they are going to smile back, only working at jobs that we enjoy, and if there are no jobs that are enjoyable anymore, then tell organize a strike until everyone is happy. This is the only life on earth we have (unless of course you believe in reincarnation, which then you would be able to disagree) so we better enjoy it!

As for you BAAWA, i am sorry that you feel this way so strongly.
I'm sorry that you feel that way.

Not that i am sorry for you, but i am sorry that the religious right, as well as the multiple translations, have so corrupted religion that you see no value in it.
I'm an atheist; I see no value in any religion, period.

I'm sorry that you feel that way.


I'm an atheist; I see no value in any religion, period.

and i for one am sorry that so many people think you need pity because you have the strength and honesty to live in the real world. i pity their narrow-mindedness, their fear, their cowardice, and their utter lack of imagination. and i personally laugh out loud each time one of them expresses sorrow at any atheist's liberation from their myths and fairytales.

Onanis:
Hate the sin, love the sinner. You should feel sorry for him...


and i for one am sorry that so many people think you need pity because you have the strength and honesty to live in the real world. i pity their narrow-mindedness, their fear, their cowardice, and their utter lack of imagination. and i personally laugh out loud each time one of them expresses sorrow at any atheist's liberation from their myths and fairytales.

Answer me this, which shows more strength:
Admiting that you're weak, and you need help?
or
Acting like you're right, and ignoring those trying to help?


On that note, yes Christianity is for the weak. What people fail to realize is that everyone is weak.
I could toss a verse at you, but I'll refrain.

Suicide Squad Leader: We are the Judean People's Front crack suicide squad! Suicide squad, attack!
[they all stab themselves]
Suicide Squad Leader: That showed 'em, huh?
(life of Brian)


Has anyone read "The Divine Comedy' by Dante Alighieri?

LOL I love Life of Brian!



Um, Christianity is the wrong religion. I used to be one until I opened my eyes. That is all :p

Answer me this, which shows more strength:
Admiting that you're weak, and you need help?
or
Acting like you're right, and ignoring those trying to help?


On that note, yes Christianity is for the weak. What people fail to realize is that everyone is weak.
I could toss a verse at you, but I'll refrain.

Actually, neither shows strength. The first option is for the humble person.

However, realising the fact that you can't do everything alone doesn't mean you have to become a christian. hope that wasn't what you meant.

I leave you alone for the evening and you start getting serious... This is wghy I lost faith people!

Well, I'd offer you mine, but I am suffering terminal atheism ... ;)

Poor thing…

I don't know how I'd live without the knowledge that there is a God/Godess/gods but I probably picked the wrong one and now some random bad thing will happen to me…

He talked to men and women (and evidence shows he was actually married),

No credible evidence shows that.

neo does come back remember? every so many generation a new one comes back to save zion from the machines, its a cycle
How about like he did in the first bloody movie. That's the resurrection allagory, not the reincarnation of The One.