NationStates Jolt Archive

We always read/argue whom is at fault.

Why not argue a solution?

We are leaders of our nations; right? ;)

The isrealis must be forced to recognize an independant Palestinian State, or peace will never be an option.

The isrealis must be forced to recognize an independant Palestinian State, or peace will never be an option.

Simple enough. However, what if they recognise them in the crap hole arrangement they are in now? They setup they have now is pretty bad.

It really has to be a problem, not to be able to drop a small nuclear bomb on your own population-base, doesn't it?

*A question for both the palistinians, and israelis*

*smiles*

Jim

Palestinians had their own homeland, after Israel was partitioned in 1948. THey attacked Israel, with the help of other Arab countries, and lost some of their land. They repeated this again in 1967, attacked Israel, and lost all of their land. So why should Israel give back the land when the Palestinians were the aggressors?

If we take that argument seriously, we might as well give back California, Texas, Nevada, New Mexico, and Arizona back to the Mexicans.

Plus, when you really look at the history, there is not really technically a people of "Palestine." Palestinians today are merely just Jordanian refugees. The reason the region of Israel was ever called Palestine goes back to the Roman Era, when Rome took over the lands of Israel and Judah. The Philistinnes were the historical enemies of the Hebrews, so to add insult to injury, the Romans re-named that area "Palestine"

Thats all I can think of right now, maybe post some more later.

Palestinians had their own homeland, after Israel was partitioned in 1948. THey attacked Israel, with the help of other Arab countries, and lost some of their land. They repeated this again in 1967, attacked Israel, and lost their land. So why should Israel give back the land when the Palestinians were the aggressors?

If we take that argument, we might as well give ack California, Texas, Nevada, New Mexico, and Arizona back to the Mexicans

Granted. However, would not Israel like to see an end to the suicide bombings? The last time I was there Jerusalum was practically a ghost town. I ate a cafe and noticed a mother and child at one across the street. One thing that struck me was the fact the mother was very vigilent of the surroundings.

Palestinians had their own homeland, after Israel was partitioned in 1948. THey attacked Israel, with the help of other Arab countries, and lost some of their land. They repeated this again in 1967, attacked Israel, and lost their land. So why should Israel give back the land when the Palestinians were the aggressors?

If we take that argument, we might as well give ack California, Texas, Nevada, New Mexico, and Arizona back to the Mexicans

Open question: Winners write the history. Palestine was just another British mandate.

So were we.

JimSC

Open question: Winners write the history. Palestine was just another British mandate.

So were we.

JimSC

Thats not a question, thats a statement

correct answer: if the world is going to function the way it is functioning now, there is NO solution to the Palestine problem.

Granted. However, would not Israel like to see an end to the suicide bombings? The last time I was there Jerusalum was practically a ghost town. I ate a cafe and noticed a mother and child at one across the street. One thing that struck me was the fact the mother was very vigilent of the surroundings.

Israel likely would. How can a Muslim actually destroy his/her own life AND TAKE THE LIFE OF A CHILDE WHO HAS DONE no HARM in his or her own life?.

I stand above you all as a Satanist, for I WILL PROTECT the lives of my children.

Jim

easy, send troops to arrest Arafat and Sharon.
remove the old guard from power on both sides
and put the new generation in power.
and let them work it out.
and use american force to ensure the security of both israel and palestine
ensure the new boundary is not drawn along ethnic or politcial lines
any israelis in pal. areas would be subject to pal. laws
any pals. in israel would be subject to israeli laws.
send an occupying peacekeeping force if necessary to seperate the two sides if terrorists continue destroy hopes of peace.

easy, send troops to arrest Arafat and Sharon.
remove the old guard from power on both sides
and put the new generation in power.
and let them work it out.
and use american force to ensure the security of both israel and palestine
ensure the new boundary is not drawn along ethnic or politcial lines
any israelis in pal. areas would be subject to pal. laws
any pals. in israel would be subject to israeli laws.
send an occupying peacekeeping force if necessary to seperate the two sides if terrorists continue destroy hopes of peace.

Well it sounds nice but would it be accepted? The Israelies are quit tough and well armed. Anybody of military age has had training and has a military grade weapon at home.

Most likely the Pali's would resist as well.

You could announce it but our credibility is rather lacking in the arab world so they probably would not belive it.

Finally, many people like sharon and arafat. There would be resistence just on that.

Thats not a question, thats a statement

Point.

Question: How can anyone claiming god on there side destroy the innoccent?

Jim

Israel likely would. How can a Muslim actually destroy his/her own life AND TAKE THE LIFE OF A CHILDE WHO HAS DONE no HARM in his or her own life?.

I stand above you all as a Satanist, for I WILL PROTECT the lives of my children.

Jim

Well its part of the "conditioning" they go through. They no longer see the child as a child. Probably not even human either......

Point.

Question: How can anyone claiming god on there side destroy the innoccent?

Jim


God sent hitler to save the german race, god sent bush to save america, god was with the soldiers in trenches at where ever, God was with those suicide bombers.... etcetcetc

Point: Everybody thinks god is on their side, regardless.

Call me radical, but could we try building a wall ?

Oh, right, I forgot, the ICJ does not like passive defence. Hmmm.

;)

i would simply, i think this might make a good u.n
resolution if someone wanted to properly formalize it,
declare all persons within the territory of any soverign
nation citizens of that nation with the same prevelages,
responsibilities, access to the political proccess and so
on, as anyone and everyone else who is also, reguardless of
whatever historical proccess the nation currently claiming
soverignty over that land came to exist.

whatever civil dissobedience would then ensue would be a
CIVIL matter and NOT a millitary conflict.

if people wanted to march and protest you would NOT be
allowed to nuke them or knock down their houses. if they
commited murder it would be a matter of civil murder and
not military conflict.

you might need armoured courtrooms for a while
but it could and would all be sorted out that way eventualy

no nation has or need be granted any such right to treat
any ethnicity within its borders any less well or fairly
then any other

if the palistiniens want more then that that would be their
problem. if the israelies wanted to give them less that
would be theirs!

both might be unhappy, but unhappy equaly and fairly,
and if it takes a real world government with real teath
to enforce such a settlement, so be it!

national soverignty is WAAAAAAAAY over rated.

=^^=
.../\...

Call me radical, but could we try building a wall ?

Oh, right, I forgot, the ICJ does not like passive defence. Hmmm.

;)
they're already trying that.

Well it sounds nice but would it be accepted? The Israelies are quit tough and well armed. Anybody of military age has had training and has a military grade weapon at home.

Most likely the Pali's would resist as well.

You could announce it but our credibility is rather lacking in the arab world so they probably would not belive it.

Finally, many people like sharon and arafat. There would be resistence just on that.
that's the gamble. nothing is ever a sure thing

i would simply, i think this might make a good u.n
resolution if someone wanted to properly formalize it,
declare all persons within the territory of any soverign
nation citizens of that nation with the same prevelages,
responsibilities, access to the political proccess and so
on, as anyone and everyone else who is also, reguardless of
whatever historical proccess the nation currently claiming
soverignty over that land came to exist.

whatever civil dissobedience would then ensue would be a
CIVIL matter and NOT a millitary conflict.

if people wanted to march and protest you would NOT be
allowed to nuke them or knock down their houses. if they
commited murder it would be a matter of civil murder and
not military conflict.

you might need armoured courtrooms for a while
but it could and would all be sorted out that way eventualy

no nation has or need be granted any such right to treat
any ethnicity within its borders any less well or fairly
then any other

if the palistiniens want more then that that would be their
problem. if the israelies wanted to give them less that
would be theirs!

both might be unhappy, but unhappy equaly and fairly,
and if it takes a real world government with real teath
to enforce such a settlement, so be it!

national soverignty is WAAAAAAAAY over rated.

=^^=
.../\...

sounds good

they're already trying that.

Golly gee wizz, and holy blue cow bat-man, could I have gone and used sarcasm ?

Silly me. :rolleyes:

Here are some ideas I came up with a while ago. It might be interesting to see how both sides would react to these.

All Gaza Strip and West Bank is to be given to the Palestinians, on condition that they halt attacks for one(1) year after this treaty is signed.
Declaration of the Palestinian state will occur one(1) year after this treaty is signed.
In each attack after this treaty is signed, 0.5 km^2 of land is to be given to the side of the victim for each death, excluding the ‘suicide bombers’ themselves.
All militant leaders are to be handed over to the UN by the Palestinian Authority six(6) months before declaration of statehood.
Failing to hand over these people will result in a loss of 1km^2 of land to Israel for each leader not handed over to the UN
Israel is to stop construction of their settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and the people are to be relocated to within Israel.
All Palestinian refugees are to return to Palestine by the beginning of the year after the creation of Palestine.
The Israeli Army is to help train the Palestinian Defence Forces for a period of three(3) years after the signing of this treaty, except in the event of war or national emergency in either country.
The Israeli Army is to provide support for the Palestinian Defence Forces and the police forces until the proclamation of the Palestinian state, and not to bring militant leaders to trial in Israel.
In the event of war between Israel and Palestine after the declaration of the Palestinian state, all lands taken by each side will be annexed, except in the case of more than one country taking the side of the victor. In this event, the boundaries as at the declaration of Palestine will stand.

Some old and some new ideas.

Golly gee wizz, and holy blue cow bat-man, could I have gone and used sarcasm ?

Silly me. :rolleyes:
didn't see that last part of your post.

Here are some ideas I came up with a while ago. It might be interesting to see how both sides would react to these.

All Gaza Strip and West Bank is to be given to the Palestinians, on condition that they halt attacks for one(1) year after this treaty is signed.
Declaration of the Palestinian state will occur one(1) year after this treaty is signed.
In each attack after this treaty is signed, 0.5 km^2 of land is to be given to the side of the victim for each death, excluding the ‘suicide bombers’ themselves.
All militant leaders are to be handed over to the UN by the Palestinian Authority six(6) months before declaration of statehood.
Failing to hand over these people will result in a loss of 1km^2 of land to Israel for each leader not handed over to the UN
Israel is to stop construction of their settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and the people are to be relocated to within Israel.
All Palestinian refugees are to return to Palestine by the beginning of the year after the creation of Palestine.
The Israeli Army is to help train the Palestinian Defence Forces for a period of three(3) years after the signing of this treaty, except in the event of war or national emergency in either country.
The Israeli Army is to provide support for the Palestinian Defence Forces and the police forces until the proclamation of the Palestinian state, and not to bring militant leaders to trial in Israel.
In the event of war between Israel and Palestine after the declaration of the Palestinian state, all lands taken by each side will be annexed, except in the case of more than one country taking the side of the victor. In this event, the boundaries as at the declaration of Palestine will stand.

Some old and some new ideas.

I don't think it would work

as an on-topic side note, has anybody seen the film 'Ford Transit' ?

as an on-topic side note, has anybody seen the film 'Ford Transit' ?
?

?

http://www.offoffoff.com/film/2003/fordtransit.php gives a resonable description. I saw it last friday, and is an insight into life for your average palestinian living in Isreal. It's more what they have to deal with and their opinions than their living conditions and home life.

I don't think it would work

I know that it would have a low chance of working, but it does punish the Palestinians properly for any bombings, and it would also stop the Israelis from attacking at the same time - IF it worked properly.

didn't see that last part of your post.

Then remember that posts are like magic pictures, you have to stare at them for a while before all the little lines start to make sense ...

;)