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Look, I'm an Hispanic, I have German, white, Black, and other Hispanic friends. We joke with each other with racist jokes, yet we still love each other. Now I'm wondering, are racist jokes THAT offensive?

I'm in a chatroom, I say "Achtung juden, der reich der reich der Furehr" which translates into "Attention jew, the Empire, the Empire, the leader." But since those two little nice words are in there, Reich and Furehr, I'm flamed. Do that in Florida, who cares? I mean, I with my friends, and probably the entire state do 50 racist jokes against their friends a day. Yet they still love each other.

What I'm trying to say is, maybe we shouldn't be THAT offended. Maybe you know... we shouldn't beat or flame someone over it. If it was a joke we should laugh, but it shouldn't mean we should flame those that are serious, I hate racism.

What I'm trying to say is lighten up, don't be so uptight, we only have a few years on this Earth and we should embrace it.

Ya ya, flame at will, I'm tied to the wall and you have the whip, flame my radical ideals... eh... I had to say this.

My friend is half Jewish.

He randomly told me "We must burn all the Jews" in german.

I thought it was hilarious :p



To answer your question, I think a racist joke isn't too bad as long as it's meant to be funny, not insulting. I mean, I laugh at all the white jokes I hear :p

Problem is, over the internet, you don't know who's joking and who means it.

Problem is, over the internet, you don't know who's joking and who means it.

So true which is why facism must rise again!

That was a joke...

Colodia is absolutely correct. You can't always tell who's serious and who's joking, and there are alot of people out there who are serious, so alot of people react negatively to any racist comments.

So true which is why facism must rise again!

That was a joke...
yes and if you said that in a debate without the obvious warning, people would wonder wtf you are on

This is the difference between joking with your friends and with people you do not know.

This is the difference between joking with your friends and with people you do not know.

Blah if anybody did seriously mean that, eh bad for them, why even try to change them or fight with them hm? :p

I'm jewish. I'm also asian.

My friend is half Jewish.

He randomly told me "We must burn all the Jews" in german.

I thought it was hilarious

Island of Rose, I understand what you are saying, but that was genuinely not funny. :(

It was the irony of it that was funny.



Then again, I'm the white guy that goes around and makes white jokes all the time, sooo...

I'm jewish. I'm also asian.



Island of Rose, I understand what you are saying, but that was genuinely not funny. :(

Bleh, just expressing my views.

No the weird statement about having all jews burned.



I used to want to be cremated when I die but now...

No the weird statement about having all jews burned.



I used to want to be cremated when I die but now...

Let me get you want to be cremated again:

Watch out for those necrophiliacs if you're buried then.

If you don't want to offend people, you shouldn't make racial jokes or break taboos in outrageous, funny ways...or express yourself at all :) But there are pretty obvious limits. Don't walk up to strangers and joke about the Holocaust, cancer or HIV/AIDS. There's a good chance they won't think any of those subjects are funny. But if you're with a group of people who know you're an intelligent person and you randomly make a really sexist statement, that can be very funny. Knock yourself out with that. You can even make those jokes around strangers if you have no regard for the sentiments of strangers. But in general, we have certain understandings like personal space and forming lines. They all have varying degrees of importance and help us live our day to day lives. I encourage people to just be intelligent. That's good general advice.

That's just plain common sense.

Like you don't call a Venuzuelan or any other Hispanic that isn't Mexican, Mexican...

My friend is still in the Hospital.

"Wir habben der Krieg verloren....
Aber, einer tag, sollen wir es bestimt wiederfinden."
Pardon my German.

Chico, yo no se Aleman

Dude, I don't know German.

"Achtung juden, der reich der reich der Furehr"

Not exactly a joke is it? Not because of its subject matter, but because it... well, it just isn't. It is a piece of badly spelled mock German with incorrect capitalisation. I thought jokes were meant to have some element of humour to them, but obviously I have been mistaken all these years.

Did you know black people love taffy?
And that homosexuals tend to shift their weight to their right foot?

"Wir habben der Krieg verloren....
Aber, einer tag, sollen wir es bestimt wiederfinden."
Pardon my German.
Umm.. Something about the war being either over/forgotten, But, one day we will find it again?

Havnt spoken a word of german for over 2 yars now.

Not exactly a joke is it? Not because of its subject matter, but because it... well, it just isn't. It is a piece of badly spelled mock German with incorrect capitalisation. I thought jokes were meant to have some element of humour to them, but obviously I have been mistaken all these years.

Wow, mad because of some misspellings :p

Wow, mad because of some misspellings :p

No, just that your example wasn't a joke, unlike Hakartopia's "We have lost the war! Yes, but one of these days we will find it again." You see, note the pun on the word "lost", and the twist at the end where instead of the expected "yes, but we will win one day" we get the verb to find... as opposed to a piece of doggerel with no humourous content.

Blacks are always drunk.

The sober ones love grape soda. :D




Anyway, as a purveyor of racially-based jokes, I love satire of the PC-world we live in. Everyone has to "not offend anyone". I never mean anything seriously regarding race, and those who are so uptight about their race are silly. I am a white guy(SHOCK!), but I am a third Czech, and the rest is everything out there, basically.

I would agree with whoever said don't say this sort of thing to strangers. I have done that with people I've just met who I felt were open, lighthearted people, but I quite quickly learned my lesson that such jokes are best told in a friendly, comfortable group.

But really, all of this media-spread Political Correctness© is silly. Why should we care? Racism, except for affirmative action, is no longer as much of a problem as it once was. Most of us are comfortable with all races and creeds.

It is silly, for example, for the media to be warning of usually Arab terrorists, but afraid to offend, they say "men that may wear parkas and have bruises or cuts indicative of terrorist camps". Come on people.

Let's lighten up. Or how black guys say things about white guys I find hilarious, but white guys really can't say similar things about black guys, just because of the way society is. Afraid to open up to each other.

Let's all hug and tell "racist" jokes! :D

I think some people (myself included) find humor in the unexpected. We delight in seeing a character step on a rake and get smacked in the face. Heck, even when we expect it, it can be funny.

Hah! The pie missed Curly and hit that stuffy, rich guy behind him. Get it?! Houu....

When an intelligent, level-headed person just makes a really stupid comment, it's funny to folks like me.

It takes about as much creativity as potty humor does, but HEY, potty humor can be funny too. Breaking taboos unexpectedly shouldn't get you a Pulitzer(sp?), but it can get a laugh (even in an intelligent audience that doesn't unfairly discriminate).

No, just that your example wasn't a joke, unlike Hakartopia's "We have lost the war! Yes, but one of these days we will find it again." You see, note the pun on the word "lost", and the twist at the end where instead of the expected "yes, but we will win one day" we get the verb to find... as opposed to a piece of doggerel with no humourous content.

Bleh, I never said I was funny, sorry :)

Bleh, I never said I was funny, sorry :)

I naively thought that was the whole point of jokes, no?

I naively thought that was the whole point of jokes, no?


but the whole point of humor is a stiffled defense mechanism, when i chimp smiles its showing its teeth, are you so sure its a fundimentally different response in humans.

I naively thought that was the whole point of jokes, no?

We're all not perfect :p[/sarcasm, ya I know that was a bad joke]

I naively thought that was the whole point of jokes, no?

hahahaha, good joke! Oh wait...

*chirp* *chirp*

._.

but the whole point of humor is a stiffled defense mechanism, when i chimp smiles its showing its teeth, are you so sure its a fundimentally different response in humans.

A chimp also shows its teeth when it is picking at its gums. Your anthropomorphic point being what exactly?

._.

Would I be right in supposing that "._." is meant to represent a piece of tumbleweed rolling by?

I think he's trying to say different things me different people laugh.

Would I be right in supposing that "._." is meant to represent a piece of tumbleweed rolling by?

Er... yes! yes it does... >.> <.<

Yes.

A chimp also shows its teeth when it is picking at its gums. Your anthropomorphic point being what exactly?

we if we can't anthropomorphize chimps who can we? the point was humor is stiffled defense mechanizism and redirected aggression. that's why most humor at its base is cruel, racist or otherwise. its also why its sometimes culture or group specific. because it helps to define them and us. we laugh at them, and they don't get it. we show our teeth at them and they know to stay clear.

but the whole point of humor is a stiffled defense mechanism, when i chimp smiles its showing its teeth, are you so sure its a fundimentally different response in humans.

I would have to argue about the whole point being a defense mechanism. Humor can definitely be a defense mechanism (I myself turn into Robin Williams around attractive women), but it can also simply be meant for entertainment, pure and simple.

As for rascist jokes, I grew up swapping rascist jokes with my Mexican friends, and learned most of the best jokes from them. But now I am in Japan, and race is a super-serious topic. One friend told me that Keanu Reeves' grandmother was Chinese, and said it like that was the most shocking thing in the world. I think rascist jokes can be about an openness, and an acceptance of cultural differences, but only when told as a joke.

the point was humor is stiffled defense mechanizism and redirected aggression.

Although a joke may be those things, if we follow the Freudian line, it is also something else. If I punch the wall in frustration it may be an example of redirected aggression, but that does not mean it is a joke. There is some other element necessary: an element which was lackingin th example I was discussing - "Achtung juden, der reich der reich der Furehr"

Babies laugh when they're happy sometimes. And if you tickle them. Are they trying to scare us away by showing us their gums and adorable little smiles?

Babies laugh when they're happy sometimes. And if you tickle them. Are they trying to scare us away by showing us their gums and adorable little smiles?
It's their way of sayin': "U R pwned. Get ready for projectile $hitz."

Why must anything said be offensive?
Because someone, somewhere, said it was. Words have no more or less power than we give them. If we say a word that is considered profane, what makes it so wrong?

A joke that utilizes the satire of a race or ethnicity should not be "wrong."
I believe in humor. I believe life should be taken with a spoonful of sugar. I don't think any real joke should be offensive, unless it was intended as such. All jokes need a butt, but does that but need to be a race or ethnicity? Sometimes. If you think people shouldn't make fun of people on accordance with their race, ethnicity or creed, lighten up will you?
Hell, just look at Mel Brooks. He's Jewish, yet if you watch any of his movies you'll see he rips on them everychance he can get. So nothing is wrong with it untill we say something is wrong with it. :) :mad: :) :headbang: :fluffle: :confused:

This depends on what race you happen to be by birth. I am not offended even though I am "white"

Plus a few other things in my ancesrtory.

:headbang:

I feel that racist jokes are kinda funny...as long as it's a joke. I hate 'political correctness' it's such a load of poop. I know my limits though...I never use the 'N' word, and I never call mexicans the 'S' word. However, if the mexican is one of my friends, and we're just joking around, I've been known to call them "beaner" and no harm done, because they know i'm making fun of stupid white trailer trash, like myself...except I don't live in a trailer. It's usually responded to with an equally "offensive" remark towards my people (Dutch, and Swedes). And that's jsut our relationship. You oculd say it's influenced by South Park, and you're probably right. But it's the way it is, and it works.

"Achtung juden, der reich der reich der Furehr"

Umm..

Just to pick nits, the word your looking for is "Ein" as in ONE.

"Der" is "the".

"You meant ein riech, ein volk, ein fuhrer."

One Country, One People, One Leader.

Hitler was a bastard, and Nazis are shitheads.

Carry on..

No I say things that make no sense sometimes...

I have several friends who seem to think the same things about racial jokes, that it's okay as long as its among friends and all that junk.

well being black I can tell you I don't find it funny even among friends. Social dynamics can make a person accept something that would be otherwise hard to swallow just because they don't wanna ruin a friendship or start trouble. I know a few people I'd like to knock out because he took too many liberties during school (like the guy who called me his N**** for a full week)

Theres really no point in racist jokes, they're never really funny and are a excuse for lack of any real humour. Plus all they do is fuel actual racist attitude, even when said as a joke.

last thing we need is a new fanatical group around :mp5:

I do have a question regarding the N**** word. Why is it appropriate for two blacks to refer to each other by that word, but totally offensive for a white to refer to a black by that word? This is a dynamic I noticed in college, with my first real exposure to large numbers of blacks (before that it was all just hicks and Mexicans). Can anyone explain this to me? And I do mean really explain it.

I dont know about you all, but I know plenty of racist jokes and I think they are funny not because it insults another's nationality, religion, color, gender, etc., but because it makes fun of the streotypicial person that even the most PC person thinks of when they hear,"jew," "black," "hispanic," "white," or "West Virginian."

Nobody knows why really...

I am white, English and NOT a racist, yet I find many 'racist' jokes utterly hilarious! Does that make me a bad person? A lot of these jokes are MEANT to be harmlessly funny! Remember the old saying? "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me". I have heard white, black, asian, indian/pakistani jokes and a lot of them are all equally funny.

In my opinion, if someone genuinly finds it offensive, then surely a simple apology along the lines of "I'm sorry I didn't mean to offend you, I take it back." Some people go to all sorts of lengths, including suing a person just because of what they said.

THEY ARE ONLY WORDS!! A COLLECTION OF AUDIBLE PHRASES ARRANGED INTO A SENTENCE! ITS NOT GOING TO KILL YOU!

As someone had previously said the underlying content of a racist joke is a racist comment. I think that these 'jokes' used in real life or used anonymously on the internet is a persons way of testing what is acceptable within the community and how far they can push the boundaries of what is right and wrong.
The more we as a community (this forum and in real life) interpret these jokes as being harmless just because the guy saying it calls it a joke, may make them try and push the boundaries even further and will try a similar cover up to make it seem that we are the ones who are wrong by not taking it light heartedly.
If everyone accepts that these jokes arn't offensive than that is just one more step closer to a society that openly discriminates against a race as it is accepted as being OK to do.

I do have a question regarding the N**** word. Why is it appropriate for two blacks to refer to each other by that word, but totally offensive for a white to refer to a black by that word? This is a dynamic I noticed in college, with my first real exposure to large numbers of blacks (before that it was all just hicks and Mexicans). Can anyone explain this to me? And I do mean really explain it.

That's called hypocricy and it annoys me too. I agree with you, when you say '******' to a black person people call you racist but when you look at the lyrics of some rapsongs, well... it speaks for itself. Nigga this, nigga that and they complain that 'white' people are racist when they say '******'? I fail to see any logic reasoning behind this.

This is the difference between joking with your friends and with people you do not know.


ME and my best mate revel in telling as offensive jokes as possible, because we know that, in the end, both of us are very anti-racist, sexist, homophobic etc. But I wouldn't tell the same jokes to people I didn't know.

"My Empire colonised Africa, and all I got was this lousy wog"

That's called hypocricy and it annoys me too. I agree with you, when you say '******' to a black person people call you racist but when you look at the lyrics of some rapsongs, well... it speaks for itself. Nigga this, nigga that and they complain that 'white' people are racist when they say '******'? I fail to see any logic reasoning behind this.


Honestly, I wonder about this also. All of this "no racism" stuff yet blacks can say things about whites(and a few other groups, about whites and Asians mainly) that whites basically can't say in return to blacks without being pinned as any one of many politically correct terms.

Yet if you look at the incredible racism within the minority extremists who are the most outspoken and act like they run their races(Jesse Jackson, etc.), and they propose something as racist as "Affirmative Action", which does not do anything for poor whites or Asians yet is hailed as being "fair" for favoring blacks, Latinos...

WHY CANNOT WE SIMPLY PASS ON DIVIDING BY RACE, and CELEBRATE our cultural differences via satire, indeed jokes, and the current artistic cultural expressions that already exist... why must we divide so!




And besides, there IS a black guy in my family tree. He's.... well that one might draw the ire of the mods. I won't post that.

Does anyone know of Abu Hamza? The extremeist f*ckhead who has the nerve to stand in public in Britain and rant on about killing christians and other races that aren't related to his own? Now THAT'S racist. Hopefully that neanderthal, stoneage cleric bastard will be deported to a place where he will be killed. :)

I'm just following up on Quarka's comments about blacks and others saying what they like and whites seemingly being the only ones accused of racism.