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Do you think China might become the next Superpower, rivaling the US in Nuclear, Military, and possibly even Economic Strength?

You mean "On the Rise" right?

It's too early too tell. China's economy may go into the shitter real soon. All four of the state banks are insolvent, and China has the world's fastest growing trade deficit. This may contribute to their military rise, because a leader may get into Beijing, and try expansionist policies. If that happens, however, China will be squashed like a bug in WWIII. Luckily, that scenario won't be likely.
In the long term, however, they may be fine. They have a great infrastructure, and a growing middle class. But I don't have high expectations for them in the near future.

You mean "On the Rise" right?

Quite Corrected. Thanks.

Well, people assume that there is a relationship between Whether a nation is succesful as a socialism or a capitalism and whether it is a despotism or a democracy. I think not-- they may inteject on occation, economic strife swaying an election away from an incumbant, or a revolt bringing a more socialist gov't for example, but succesful societies can exsist in any of the four systems- cap. demo; soc. demo.; cap. dic.; soc. dic. Its just that so rarely are do societies become "succesful" by any messure.

China (a Socialist Dictatorship with Capitalist tendencies) has a good mix, a rich nation, nuclear weapons (always a plus), and plenty of people to make their dreams work.

If you think about it. China's like an imperial dynasty. The Premier's The Emperor. The rich and powerful are stronger and have more political power than the weaker ones.

China still has a similiar government after 4,000 years.

OIL will be a major problem for China. What will fuel China's major indutries?

If you think about it. China's like an imperial dynasty. The Premier's The Emperor. The rich and powerful are stronger and have more political power than the weaker ones.

China still has a similiar government after 4,000 years.

OIL will be a major problem for China. What will fuel China's major indutries?

They do have a lot of Coal, just like the US. Worst Case energy shortage, most of the world will resort to the hundreds of years worth coal supplies that hide in the Earth's mantle-- an environmental disater, yes, but not an economic one.

They do have a lot of Coal, just like the US. Worst Case energy shortage, most of the world will resort to the hundreds of years worth coal supplies that hide in the Earth's mantle-- an environmental disater, yes, but not an economic one.
Even if we did have to rely on coal, though, I'm sure it'd be in many people's vested interest to use that energy to find something else. However, I'm optimistic that the natural gas economy will be a sufficient bridge for a few decades, and will come before oil shortages become too critical.

Even if we did have to rely on coal, though, I'm sure it'd be in many people's vested interest to use that energy to find something else. However, I'm optimistic that the natural gas economy will be a sufficient bridge for a few decades, and will come before oil shortages become too critical.

But at some point the gas will run out. We should hope that fusion power is perfected by then, or that something else has been thought up, but one cannot be too optimistic.

If you think about it. China's like an imperial dynasty. The Premier's The Emperor. The rich and powerful are stronger and have more political power than the weaker ones.

China still has a similiar government after 4,000 years.

OIL will be a major problem for China. What will fuel China's major indutries?
It's the Mandate of Heaven. It baffles me that even without an empire, the Chinese government follows the same cycle as all dynasties before it. Hell, their dynasties have survived despite a strong market tradition. The Chinese have a middle class, but they may be content to stick with the current government (although it may be slightly modified).

But at some point the gas will run out. We should hope that fusion power is perfected by then, or that something else has been thought up, but one cannot be too optimistic.
It will. That's why I said a bridge economy. I read a book called The End of Oil: on the Edge of a Perilous New World. According to it, a hydrogen economy, despite current drawbacks, is the most promising out there, and wind will be quite significant (12% of global power by 2025). I'm optimistic about our energy future, although I still admit that the energy question will probably never be solved, even with fusion.

It will. That's why I said a bridge economy. I read a book called The End of Oil: on the Edge of a Perilous New World. According to it, a hydrogen economy, despite current drawbacks, is the most promising out there, and wind will be quite significant (12% of global power by 2025). I'm optimistic about our energy future, although I still admit that the energy question will probably never be solved, even with fusion.

The supply of fusion, we hope, will be limitless (provided there is always enough water on the Earth) by I feel that it will just be a better nuclear power--same radiation; same radioactive discarded reactor parts, and only a slighly reduced risk of meltdown. The things we're saying about fusion are the same they we saying in the 40's and 50's.

The supply of fusion, we hope, will be limitless (provided there is always enough water on the Earth) by I feel that it will just be a better nuclear power--same radiation; same radioactive discarded reactor parts, and only a slighly reduced risk of meltdown. The things we're saying about fusion are the same they we saying in the 40's and 50's.
The problem, however, is not the production of power (that's easy) but the waste it produces. However, build another storage plant like that at Yucca Mountain once every few decades, and we should be fine.
And I'm more optimistic about fusion. I live in Upstate New York, and our main university, the University of Rochester, is making progress toward fusion. They have a really big laser that can split atoms into subatomic particles on a large scale. They hope this will mean that they can fuse these particles together, and create energy that way.

The problem, however, is not the production of power (that's easy) but the waste it produces. However, build another storage plant like that at Yucca Mountain once every few decades, and we should be fine.
And I'm more optimistic about fusion. I live in Upstate New York, and our main university, the University of Rochester, is making progress toward fusion. They have a really big laser that can split atoms into subatomic particles on a large scale. They hope this will mean that they can fuse these particles together, and create energy that way.

I thought the waste was primarily helium and unused hydrogen--or do you mean that the H and He is radioactive? Or were you talking about fission? Anyway, we got off the topic agian.

PS I appluad you for being what seems to be a reasonable, level-headed person. While I'm a liberal, I find many republicans are respectable and intellegent. Wanna TG eachother?

Do you think China might become the next Superpower, rivaling the US in Nuclear, Military, and possibly even Economic Strength?


China's long term plan is to be the worlds sole superpower.

China's long term plan is to be the worlds sole superpower.

Yeah, but we don't always get what we want, do we?

I thought the waste was primarily helium and unused hydrogen--or do you mean that the H and He is radioactive? Or were you talking about fission? Anyway, we got off the topic agian.

PS I appluad you for being what seems to be a reasonable, level-headed person. While I'm a liberal, I find many republicans are respectable and intellegent. Wanna TG eachother?
Thanks. Now, forgive my lack of knowlege in forum slang, but what does TG mean? Or is it somehow a reference to Tactical Grace?

Thanks. Now, forgive my lack of knowlege in forum slang, but what does TG mean? Or is it somehow a reference to Tactical Grace?

Telegram. Or we can e-mail, if you perfer.

Come to think of it, I might have invented that acronym.

Just like I invented the word Pubby.

Telegram. Or we can e-mail, if you perfer.
Sorry. Anyhow, sure. You first. I want you to pop the first question.

Sorry. Anyhow, sure. You first. I want you to pop the first question.

Yeah, Check you TGs, if you will.

Yeah, Check you TGs, if you will.
Tommarow. I'm too tired tonight to start anything new.

Tommarow. I'm too tired tonight to start anything new.

OK

If you think about it. China's like an imperial dynasty. The Premier's The Emperor. The rich and powerful are stronger and have more political power than the weaker ones.

China still has a similiar government after 4,000 years.

OIL will be a major problem for China. What will fuel China's major indutries?
The Chinese have invested quite a bit of money into a gas pipeline stretching from the eastern China to Kazakhstan and I bet they'll run an oil pipeline parallel to it as well. Plus they'll get a branch off of the oil pipeline Russia will be building across eastern Siberia.

In addition to securing these non-Middle East sources of gas & oil China is very keen on nuclear power and hydroelectric dams (natural beauty, be damned :( )

The Chinese have invested quite a bit of money into a gas pipeline stretching from the eastern China to Kazakhstan and I bet they'll run an oil pipeline parallel to it as well. Plus they'll get a branch off of the oil pipeline Russia will be building across eastern Siberia.

In addition to securing these non-Middle East sources of gas & oil China is very keen on nuclear power and hydroelectric dams (natural beauty, be damned :( )
However, the Three Gorges Dam won't be the power plant it's hyped up to be. In addition to making Chonqing and inland port, it also promises to produce enough power to light up four Los Angeles sized cities, about one-ninth of China's power capacity. I'll be amazed if it produces that much. They have a reservoir the size of Lake Superior, and yet they plan to use antiquated techniques to remove silt. In addition to causing flooding upriver, it'll also force the dam to produce less power, and clog the new shipping lane. This dam also sits on a faultline, and large dams have been known to cause earthquakes. It won't surprise me if it cracks and is destroyed, but if it doesn't, it'll be a huge flop for China.