NationStates Jolt Archive

New I created for those who want total freedom of speech.
You can say anything you want there even if the majority is offended
and all debate is truly open and free and not dependent on whether other people like that you are debating it.
http://s4.invisionfree.com/NationalGovernments/index.php

Not to be mean, but there are a few things to point out. First of all, whomever owns the server that resides on controls what you can and cannot say there, as they are a private enterprise and not affected by the first ammendment.

Likewise whomever owns the server gets their bandwith from a larger company, probably an ISP. They have their own sets of rules which the owner of the server must follow, which in turn is passed down to anyone using that site.

Even if the person who runs the server support the idea of total free speech, of being allowed to say something that would be considered grossly offensive, it's extremely unlikely both the owner and the ISP/bandwith provider would both be fine with it.

In short, if any person complains about the content, your site would be closed. Just fair warning.

Not to be mean, but there are a few things to point out. First of all, whomever owns the server that resides on controls what you can and cannot say there, as they are a private enterprise and not affected by the first ammendment.

Likewise whomever owns the server gets their bandwith from a larger company, probably an ISP. They have their own sets of rules which the owner of the server must follow, which in turn is passed down to anyone using that site.

Even if the person who runs the server support the idea of total free speech, of being allowed to say something that would be considered grossly offensive, it's extremely unlikely both the owner and the ISP/bandwith provider would both be fine with it.

In short, if any person complains about the content, your site would be closed. Just fair warning.
Hah, unlikely.

Just to run your own site terms and conditions back to you...


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Woo! Unfree speech and they claim publishing rights on stuff you post!

Abusive, threatening, defamatory, racist, or obscene
Viruses or any other harmful computer software;
Spam, chain letters, or Pyramid schemes;
Gambling or Illicit drugs;
Terrorism; (lots of anti bushies would be upset cause they support that one)
Hacking or cheating for internet/online games
Warez, Roms, CD-Keys, Cracks, Passwords, or Serial Numbers;Pornography, nudity, or sexual material of any kindInvasive of privacy or impersonation of any person/entity;
Hacking materials or information.
overly excessive profanity

course these are banned cause they violate the laws of the US of A.

Yeah, as was posted above they have their own sets of rules. And believe it or not, they'll almost always close a site that is complained about. Unless you're paying for their service, they have absolutely no reason to keep up a site or forum that offends visitors or breaks their ToS.

Now if you pay for your hosting, then they will be more likely to talk the matter over with you. They'd likely ask that you remove the content, and give a deadline for which to do so. Free hosts can't be bothered with it so they just close the site without a word of mention.

But, it's entirely your choice. Just sharing experience from someone who has been there.

Woo! Unfree speech and they claim publishing rights on stuff you post!

And this is different from the unfree speech and claimed publishing rights of the Nation States servers how exactly?

cuz we all know anyone anti-bush is a terrorist


idiot

course these are banned cause they violate the laws of the US of A

Even these?


Spam, chain letters,
Gambling
Terrorism; (lots of anti bushies would be upset cause they support that one)[not that this is evil, just had to add a :rolleyes:-concept]
cheating for internet/online games
Pornography, nudity, or sexual material of any kind.overly excessive profanity

These are banned in the US??

Even these?


These are banned in the US??
yes

yes

Images of nudity are banned in the USA?
Better call the cops and get them to clear out the art galleries then.

yes
Why do I get so many spam from companies based in America then?

Why are chain letters constantly filling up American inboxs?

Why does Vegas exist?

Did the legitslature actually pass legitslation banning the cheating whilst playing internet games?

Why do Playboy et al sell so well, overtly, in the US?

"sexual material of any kind" is banned in the US?

Let me just check again - what do the letters "US" stand for in this discussion? - because it sure as hell isn't "United States (of America)".

Its all those religious fanatics fault.
But while that stuff is illegal, there is no way those laws can be enforced.

Example, the US Supreme overturned the laws banning porn, but municipal govenrments enforce them anyway.

Did the legitslature actually pass legitslation banning the cheating whilst playing internet games?

Apparently there was just one incident too many of Godmodding in International Incidents...

Its all those religious fanatics fault.
But while that stuff is illegal, there is no way those laws can be enforced.

Example, the US Supreme overturned the laws banning porn, but municipal govenrments enforce them anyway.


So you continue to claim that "sexual material of any kind" is banned in the USA?

So you continue to claim that "sexual material of any kind" is banned in the USA?
yes, at the local level. There's not supposed to be, but there is.

There's not supposed to be, but there is.

So, it is illegal to buy a book such as "Joy of Sex" in the USA?

There's not supposed to be, but there is.

So those 'laws' which make it illegal are not in fact 'laws', ergo it is not illegal?

So, it is illegal to buy a book such as "Joy of Sex" in the USA?
If it contains nude photos. Nudity is considered evil in america, by people with mental malfunctions.

If it contains nude photos.

It doesn't contain nude photos (unlike say, a college-level medical textbook). It is however "sexual material", so is it illegal, or are you still talking nonsense?

So, it is illegal to buy a book such as "Joy of Sex" in the USA?



So those 'laws' which make it illegal are not in fact 'laws', ergo it is not illegal?
those laws are on the books and are being enforced, but they are unconstitutional.
American city councils don't care about political or civil rights, only what's best for the rich and powerful.
That's why when you see the court's overturning some law, its usually a law passed by a county or city government. Cause the cities are the worst offenders against liberty.

It doesn't contain nude photos (unlike say, a college-level medical textbook). It is however "sexual material", so is it illegal, or are you still talking nonsense?
no, its not illegal for adults, but it is for people under 19.

those laws are on the books and are being enforced, but they are unconstitutional.

Therefore those "laws" are not laws, and so much of the material that you assert to be illegal is not in fact illegal.

Therefore those "laws" are not laws, and so much of the material that you assert to be illegal is not in fact illegal.
say that in english. I don't speak confabulese.
:cool:

no, its not illegal for adults, but it is for people under 19.

Which is a very different thing from what you originally claimed - that "sexual material of any kind" was banned in the US.




If you're going to keep on at this trolling or playing devil's advocate, a little bit of consistency in your position would make you appear somewhat more convincing.

In short, if any person complains about the content, your site would be closed. Just fair warning.
There is always a crybaby...

say that in english. I don't speak confabulese.
:cool:

The codes banning 'sexual material' are not laws, because they are unconstitional.

If they are not laws, then 'sexual material' is not illegal.

Ergo, 'sexual material' is not illegal.



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"A child of five would understand this."
"Send someone to fetch a child of five."
- Marx

course these are banned cause they violate the laws of the US of A.so what if the server is located outside the USA...How are they going to enforce local laws...without shuting down the Internet..

The codes banning 'sexual material' are not laws, because they are unconstitional.

If they are not laws, then 'sexual material' is not illegal.

Ergo, 'sexual material' is not illegal.



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"A child of five would understand this."
"Send someone to fetch a child of five."
- Marx

They are however, enforced to the maximum.

Where did I say I agreed with the laws?

Which is a very different thing from what you originally claimed - that "sexual material of any kind" was banned in the US.




If you're going to keep on at this trolling or playing devil's advocate, a little bit of consistency in your position would make you appear somewhat more convincing.
though it is legal for people over 18, you are still not allowed to look at the library, in your front lawn, on the bus, or at any museum or restaurant. only inside your house.

They are however, enforced to the maximum.

They may well be, but that doesn't mean they are illegal.

though it is legal for people over 18, you are still not allowed to look at the library, in your front lawn, on the bus, or at any museum or restaurant. only inside your house.

Do restaurants in the US often contain "sexual material of any kind"?

Do restaurants in the US often contain "sexual material of any kind"?
no. course not. I was just saying it was illegal to take porn into one and into the rest of the stuff mentioned.
It is also illegal to look at it in a public park.

no. course not. I was just saying it was illegal to take porn into one and into the rest of the stuff mentioned.

How is one meant to get porn into your house if one is not allowed to take it across the front lawn? (or is the pathway not considered to be part of the lawn?)

course these are banned cause they violate the laws of the US of A.and what if the server is located outside the USA...How are they going to enforce local laws...without shutting down the Internet..

How is one meant to get porn into your house if one is not allowed to take it across the front lawn? (or is the pathway not considered to be part of the lawn?)
good question.
You could always hide it in your bookbag or in a brown paper bag. :D

and what if the server is located outside the USA...How are they going to enforce local laws...without shutting down the Internet..
easy shut down the internet and demand that everyone else pay them to use it.
:D :D

easy shut down the internet and demand that everyone else pay them to use it.
:D :D
Information..Wants to be Free...*sings the 'come together' tune*