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Once upon a time, Roy Moore was the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Alabama, USA. Roy Moore wsa a very religious person, he quite often liked to pass decisions based on his religion (he denied a homosexual woman the ability to claim custody of her children, who were being beaten by their drunkard father, becuase he believes homosexuals are inherently evil.)

One day Mr. Moore decided he would make a testament of his faith and have a monument custom built (AND COPY RIGHTED) for him. This monument would display the ten comandments, isntead of asking his fellows if he could bring it in, he got the people that had made it for him to help him roll it into the Court House in the dead of night and put it in the middle of the grand hall (its visible from everywhere, glass front and back) and he filmed this for posterity.

The next morning to everyone's surprise their was a very large, heavy monument of the ten comandments in the middle of the Court House, of course everyone knew "who dunnit" and it was time for moore to answer up. He stated the ten comandments are the basis for our legal system and refused to move them. The court begged him to put in other documents pertaining to the history of our nation - Declaration, of Indepence, the Constitution, Bill of rights, SOMETHING. Alas, Mr. Moore out and out refused saying the ten comandments were all that mattered.

Finally, it was time for the people to take a stand. The case was taken to the local federal court and the judge ordered Moore to remove the monument because he refused to share its space. Moore refused. Well of course everyone knew refusing a federal court order isn't gonna go down well. Moore was removed from the bench for failing to heed a court order and the monument was wheeled to storage (he was replaced by a very nice man, I met him, who moved the monument to a spare room for viewing by anyone who wants to come in, which Moore decried as being unGodly and anti-Christian.)

All these court cases to get this thing removed and to run out Moore's appeals were costing the state money, millions of dollars alabama does NOT have, because it was brought by the state. All the while Moore has a deal with a church in Florida where he is making a personal fortune sellngi the video of the illegal act and traveling aroudn the country getting paid to make speeches about what a "good" Christian he is, and did I mention renting out his copyrighted monument.

And now Alabama is further in the hoel than before, Moore is worth a few million more dollars, and there is a monument displaying a number of documents, as well as the ten comandments, inside the court house.




ALL OF YOU PRO MOORE TWITS CAN READ IT AND WEEP

Just goes to show that them Moores are whackos. Roy Moore, Ron Moore, Michael Moore, whack jobs all. Best idea is to just outlaw and barring that just avoid them and not lot them come to power of any kind.

Just goes to show that them Moores are whackos. Roy Moore, Ron Moore, Michael Moore, whack jobs all. Best idea is to just outlaw and barring that just avoid them and not lot them come to power of any kind.
yep, true fanatics for their respective causes. Though there really wasn't any harm in having the ten commandments at the front of the court house.
Their removal is a good example of the atheists forcing their views on people.

Nice peice of character assassination.
Lots of nice falsehoods you got in your post.

Chess Squares wrote
Finally, it was time for the people to take a stand.

what he really means is:

Finally, it was time for the athiest anti religion folks to take a stand.

yep, true fanatics for their respective causes. Though there really wasn't any harm in having the ten commandments at the front of the court house.
Their removal is a good example of the atheists forcing their views on people.
you didnt read where he REFUSED to accomodate any other documents relatign to our history saying the ten commandments was the onlyt one that mattered, if you agree with him you dno not deserveto live in this country you hypocrite. its the christians forcing their beliefs on everyone.

Nice peice of character assassination.
Lots of nice falsehoods you got in your post.

youd think ith 3 posts one after another to the same person in 5 post thread you could make 1 post

and i dare you to cite and correct any and all falsehoods if you can

yep, true fanatics for their respective causes. Though there really wasn't any harm in having the ten commandments at the front of the court house.
Their removal is a good example of the atheists forcing their views on people.

his choice to place a religious icon in an effort to forward his own career not only offended me because of its conflict with my values, but also offended a great number of Christians and Jews who saw through his transparent and self-serving actions. to say it caused "no harm" is totally ridiculous, since plenty of different harms can be clearly demonstrated. just because you like something doesn't mean everybody does, honey bunny, and the atheists weren't the ones who removed the icon...it was a CHRISTIAN judge who signed the order to have it removed, and a pair of CHRISTIAN maintenance workers who volunteered to remove it.

what is the point of your story???

what is the point of your story???
it was for the ignorant buffoons who had no idea what happened in teh slightest and used his story as one of religious persecution making him look like the one being abused when he is definately not the victim

bump for formal dances

Eh, but he's dead now, right?

Rock on, death. Knew you'd come in handy.

Eh, but he's dead now, right?

Rock on, death. Knew you'd come in handy.

Er, I don't think so. His political career, maybe, but I think he's still alive and attempting to force his religious views on others. And, in this day and age, perhaps that means his political career isn't so dead after all.

Eh, but he's dead now, right?

Rock on, death. Knew you'd come in handy.
only wish roy moore was dead

Er, I don't think so. His political career, maybe, but I think he's still alive and attempting to force his religious views on others. And, in this day and age, perhaps that means his political career isn't so dead after all.

.....Dammit. But he'll die soon, right? Please?

.....Dammit. But he'll die soon, right? Please?

While I would never wish death on anyone, he certainly is right up there on my list for "prolonged vegitative state".

Once upon a time, Roy Moore was the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Alabama, USA. Roy Moore wsa a very religious person, he quite often liked to pass decisions based on his religion (he denied a homosexual woman the ability to claim custody of her children, who were being beaten by their drunkard father, becuase he believes homosexuals are inherently evil.)

One day Mr. Moore decided he would make a testament of his faith and have a monument custom built (AND COPY RIGHTED) for him. This monument would display the ten comandments, isntead of asking his fellows if he could bring it in, he got the people that had made it for him to help him roll it into the Court House in the dead of night and put it in the middle of the grand hall (its visible from everywhere, glass front and back) and he filmed this for posterity.

The next morning to everyone's surprise their was a very large, heavy monument of the ten comandments in the middle of the Court House, of course everyone knew "who dunnit" and it was time for moore to answer up. He stated the ten comandments are the basis for our legal system and refused to move them. The court begged him to put in other documents pertaining to the history of our nation - Declaration, of Indepence, the Constitution, Bill of rights, SOMETHING. Alas, Mr. Moore out and out refused saying the ten comandments were all that mattered.

Finally, it was time for the people to take a stand. The case was taken to the local federal court and the judge ordered Moore to remove the monument because he refused to share its space. Moore refused. Well of course everyone knew refusing a federal court order isn't gonna go down well. Moore was removed from the bench for failing to heed a court order and the monument was wheeled to storage (he was replaced by a very nice man, I met him, who moved the monument to a spare room for viewing by anyone who wants to come in, which Moore decried as being unGodly and anti-Christian.)

All these court cases to get this thing removed and to run out Moore's appeals were costing the state money, millions of dollars alabama does NOT have, because it was brought by the state. All the while Moore has a deal with a church in Florida where he is making a personal fortune sellngi the video of the illegal act and traveling aroudn the country getting paid to make speeches about what a "good" Christian he is, and did I mention renting out his copyrighted monument.

And now Alabama is further in the hoel than before, Moore is worth a few million more dollars, and there is a monument displaying a number of documents, as well as the ten comandments, inside the court house.




ALL OF YOU PRO MOORE TWITS CAN READ IT AND WEEP

What's wrong with posting the Ten Commandments? For all you liberals whining about how it's 'unconstitutional,' hear this:

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a national religion, NOR PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF."

(Emphasis added)

I don't know if that's the exact quote word-for-word, but it's pretty darn close. Close enough, anyway.

It was placed into government property, not private property. And then he promptly disobeyed a federal court order.

Plus he's an asshole.

So "shove it" :p

youd think ith 3 posts one after another to the same person in 5 post thread you could make 1 post

and i dare you to cite and correct any and all falsehoods if you can
Whittier is just a troll. Ignore it.

What's wrong with posting the Ten Commandments? For all you liberals whining about how it's 'unconstitutional,' hear this:

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a national religion, NOR PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF."

(Emphasis added)

I don't know if that's the exact quote word-for-word, but it's pretty darn close. Close enough, anyway.

It's close enough. The point is, he put it in a government institution, not a church.

What's wrong with posting the Ten Commandments?
It's an establishment of religion and antithetical to our jurisprudence (the 2nd demandment says that god will punish the innocent, and our system is set up to avoid that).

What's wrong with posting the Ten Commandments? For all you liberals whining about how it's 'unconstitutional,' hear this:

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a national religion, NOR PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF."

(Emphasis added)

I don't know if that's the exact quote word-for-word, but it's pretty darn close. Close enough, anyway.
1) he was allowed to have it hanging in his courtroom and office, thats free excercise
2) he snuck a STATUE into the MAIN BUILDING, he does NOT own the court building, he does not have the right to put a statue there of whatever he pleases

1) he was allowed to have it hanging in his courtroom and office, thats free excercise
2) he snuck a STATUE into the MAIN BUILDING, he does NOT own the court building, he does not have the right to put a statue there of whatever he pleases

Good point. (Slaps forehead)

One quick question for you CS. What's so wrong with the 10 commandments? Judging from your reaction, what he did was a crime punishable by death.

Removing the parts about God, which is debatable...

Honor your father and your mother. The horror!.

Thou shall not murder. Hmmm you're right.. this takes away someones right to murder someone else. Damn those religous nuts.

Thou shall not commit adultery. Who needs fidelity anymore anyway? You should be able to screw who you want when you want, and if your spouse doesnt like it, screw him/her too.

Thou shall not steal. And deprive a whole segment of our society of their livelihoods?!?

Thou shall not testify falsely against your neighbor. What? You mean I can't lie and say that so-and-so is a pedophile and get him fired from his job as a teacher because he beat me at bridge last night?

Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods. Jealousy and greed are good virtues right CS? Why would you try to stop that?

One quick question for you CS. What's so wrong with the 10 commandments? Judging from your reaction, what he did was a crime punishable by death.

Removing the parts about God, which is debatable...

Honor your father and your mother. The horror!.

Thou shall not murder. Hmmm you're right.. this takes away someones right to murder someone else. Damn those religous nuts.

Thou shall not commit adultery. Who needs fidelity anymore anyway? You should be able to screw who you want when you want, and if your spouse doesnt like it, screw him/her too.

Thou shall not steal. And deprive a whole segment of our society of their livelihoods?!?

Thou shall not testify falsely against your neighbor. What? You mean I can't lie and say that so-and-so is a pedophile and get him fired from his job as a teacher because he beat me at bridge last night?

Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods. Jealousy and greed are good virtues right CS? Why would you try to stop that?

see post #22 for something i JUST ANSWERED

and for the proof he is a religious zealot that cares for no one but himself READ THE DAMN STORY, especially the part about him refusing to release am others children to her from an abusive home because being gay is evil

1) he was allowed to have it hanging in his courtroom and office, thats free excercise
2) he snuck a STATUE into the MAIN BUILDING, he does NOT own the court building, he does not have the right to put a statue there of whatever he pleases

nope, read it again, and you didnt answer the problem you have with the 10 commandments themselves.

nope, read it again, and you didnt answer the problem you have with the 10 commandments themselves.
by all means, point out where i said or even implied i had a problem with the 10 commandments themselves

One quick question for you CS. What's so wrong with the 10 commandments? Judging from your reaction, what he did was a crime punishable by death.

Blatantly religious.

What's wrong with posting the Ten Commandments? For all you liberals whining about how it's 'unconstitutional,' hear this:

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a national religion, NOR PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF."

No one said Moore couldn't be Christian all he wanted. He can practice it in all things for which he is not on the public payroll. But by placing religious documents of a single religion in a courthouse which is a government building, you are suggesting that (a) that religion is used in the court's decisions (which would be establishing a government sponsored religion) and (b) the government just thinks that religion is better (same problem).

Just a couple of quick points to make. First, what's wrong with the 10 Commandments and posting them on public property? One quick example. First Commandment is a direct contradiction of the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights. "Thou shalt have no God before me". Sounds to me like it violates the establishment clause.

As for the other point, has anyone ever bothered to post references to the PUNISHMENTS that the Bible/Old Testament calls for for violation of thse commandments? I think a posting of the 10C would not be so popular if you also posted the punishments called for for violating them. After all, in a strict interpretation, it's the death sentence for going to a football game on Sundays....

To all of the "what's wrong with the ten commandments?" folks out there:

The ten commandments are, undoubtedly, an important document that outlines a basic moral code for a civil society. They are rules that were around in pre-biblical times, and they have been immortalized within the Tanakh (Old Testament) as what we refer to today as "the ten commandments." But here's something important to know:

I am sick and tired, whenever there is an objection to these "commandments" being displayed publicly that every ultra-conservative christian turns blue in the face and screams "liberal" and "anti-religion." To that I have this to say. I am a Jew. The "commandments" were my people's text long before they were yours, so if anyone should be getting upset here - it's Jews. But we don't. And why? Because were are not a people who puts swords to a person's neck and says "convert or die." We are not a people that believes in a hell. We do not believe in "sin" the same way Christians do. Because while some of the founding fathers may have expressed ethical monotheistic sentiments concerning the founding of the United States. And while many of our laws are based on biblical law (having been derived from English common law with the exception of Louisiana's "code Napoleon") the country has changed. Today, the United States represents something more than a meaningless adherence to the past - it looks to the future. And the future, ladies and gentlemen, has arrived. It is a future where our country speaks many languages, where we are many wonderful colors. And along with that we are Muslim, and Christian, and Jewish and Hindu and Wiccan. We are gay and straight and bi and transgender, we are man and woman. And I feel that this religious document, because there's no denying that that is exactly what it is. I'm not going to buy this banter about how they're just common sense - because the context means as much as the words themselves. If I were a non-judeochristian person I think I might feel rather unrepresented, left out, and maybe a little disenfranchised that I was not considered important enough to represent. This is why they do not, for any reason, belong outside public buildings. Put them in your churches, and your synagogues - but do not rub them in the faces of those who do not share those values because all it does is open a gap between people.

Secondly, if you can't read these "commandments" in Hebrew - than I fail to see why one would be so adamant about having them there. They are titled so grandiosely in the English translations. If one looks at the Hebrew, in the original masoretic, one finds that they are not called "mitzvot" which would be commandment. But that they are in fact referred to as "Dibrot" which means "statements." (Exodus (sh'mot) 20). A Dibrah from G-d would mean something one does wholeheartedly out of willingness. Not something enforced on pain of death. This is what I mean. Ultra-Conservative Christians need to stop perverting my text and enforcing it on other people. The Tanakh is not a weapon, it's a tool to help us understand eachother, and to appreciate our differences. I mean, after all, if this was a place of justice - would not the book of Amos be a more important piece? The line "Tzedek, Tzeded Tirdof" (Justice, Justice shall you pursue) I think, is much more relavent yet still inappropriate. Shalom.