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Agnostics are the smart ones.Both the theists and atheists are either close-minded or dogmatic about their beliefs.It can be argued several ways.anyway,I just feel that it is taking up forum space that can be better used.

oh,and before you ask abt my sig,its my own personal thing.I respect people with their own views.,just don't impose it on others.

For a physicist,God can be defined as the laws of physics or the physical constants such as the planck length or planck constant,or the law of relativity.

For an atheist,their dogma can in a sense be a religion,as they are convinced of their belief,like Christians or Muslims or whatnot.Either way,my view is that both are stupid and aren't that different.Agnostics are inherently superior to both groups as we don't try to impose our views and we at the very least maintain open minds and look at all available options,either that or we are too lazy to look for answers.

Me,I'm just a guy whos cruising along.As for my definition of God,well,if anything it is the universe.perhaps in the end,all that the Christians are worshipping is Nature.

No.

Agnostics are weak and unsure.
They cant even decide what they belive in.

hmm....
then theists and atheists believe in what others tell them to believe.who is weaker,the inferior theists and atheists who rely on dogma,or the inherently superior agnostics who have open minds.

Theists and atheists are all the same.

Agnostics believe in what they can see and see proof of. Show uncontestable proof that a god or gods or scientific law exists and an agnostic will believe it.

No.

Agnostics are weak and unsure.
They cant even decide what they belive in.

http://apatheticagnostic.com/church.html

These are funny posts. What it comes down to is this: athiests believe there is no god, thiests believe there is, and agnostics search for proof of either state of the universe. None of them are more intelligent than the others. Only thing I can say is unique among the groups is that there are far less loud mouth agnostics than the other two groups. Not because they're smarter, but because they see the evidence for either side and are deciding.

You can't be a loud mouth radical without the extremely unbalanced views. Thiests and athiests alike have serious members among their ranks. Each group has its louth mouth radical fanatics as well. What it comes down to is what each individual believes. It's like comparing carpenters versus potters. There are loud mouths and serious thinkers in each group, but each has its purpose and niether is superior.

It's beliefs of superiority that start century-long wars. Deal with the fact that the other guy doesn't believe the same thing you do and go about your life. It won't kill you, I promise.

People who make blanketing statements about other people are stupid.

(this door swings both ways)

No.

Agnostics are weak and unsure.
They cant even decide what they belive in.
No agnostics are rational and logical.

While atheists and theists zealously assert that they are right, despite lacks of evidence on both sides.

No agnostics are rational and logical.

While atheists and theists zealously assert that they are right, despite lacks of evidence on both sides.

except that agnostics make an additional claim about the universe that is unsupported - that it is impossible to know whether god exists or not. it seems to me that we can know, at least in theory. personally, i would go further and say that based upon exactly the same standard we apply to things like pixies we do know that god doesn't exist.

except that agnostics make an additional claim about the universe that is unsupported - that it is impossible to know whether god exists or not. it seems to me that we can know, at least in theory. personally, i would go further and say that based upon exactly the same standard we apply to things like pixies we do know that god doesn't exist.

Some agnostics say that...

However not all.

I'm atheist but that doesn't mean i'm absolutely sure there is no god. There's no way to be sure. Does that make me an agnostic?

Well, technically a sceptic can't rule out the possibility that his thoughts are being controlled by satellites and only a tin foil beanie can save him - even if he doesn't believe it because it's so unlikely - but does that make him certifiable?

the best way to insult 100% of the world's population.

I do not believe in God. I accept that some people are blind enough to.

I'm not stupid, nor am I narrow-minded. No one can make assumptions about my beliefs because no one knows what they are until they sit down and talk to me. The saem can be said for many others.

I believe that there is no God, but, there is the force of Taoism, which says everything exists because of everything else around it. Everything has life. Nature is the ultimate force, and we are neither alive or dead. We only really die when life as part of the cycle of nature ceases to function.

Now, I'm christian, myself, but, uh.
People believe what they believe (or disbelieve, whatever), and that doesn't make them an idiot. No one is an idiot just for believing something (unless it's something like "we're gonna die tomorrow if you tie your shoe"). Sooo, yeah.
'Kay.
I forgot my point.

so the people who cant make up their minds are the only intelligent ones?

BRILLIANT!

I'm a Christian to, I reckon everyone's entitled to their own beliefs, but I also reckon than non-Christians are going to hell. I don't know what that makes me, a fanatic or whatever, but it's why I tell people about my beliefs.

Agnostics are the smart ones.
You can't just be agnostic. That's impossible.

the best way to insult 100% of the world's population.
You'd be surprised how many agnostics there are.

No.

Agnostics are weak and unsure.
They cant even decide what they belive in.

No. Agnostics believe that there is no conclusive evidence either way, which is itself a belief.

Would they be any stronger (instead of being "weak") if they decided to make an irrational decision based on th evidence they have experienced?

I don't believe in a god, I don't deny the possibility of a god either. I think that's a scientific way of going about things but I don't necessarily believe that's a smart way. Why? Well, there's good evidence that people with firm beliefs are generally happier than people, like me, who aren't willing to believe one way or the other. If my goal was to be a happier individual, I would be wiser to take a fixed belief (and afterall, does it really matter what I believe to most of the universe apart from myself?). So in the end it all comes down to my values, not to my IQ, or the number of neurons in my head or however you want to 'measure' intelligence.

Which brings me to another point: just what is stupid? In the context of the original post it's more of a value judgement saying that "my (i.e. the original poster's) views are superior to these people's views" phrased in a rather less euphemistic way. I think that judgements on intelligents are subjective anyway. Someone usually says someone else (or themselves) are intelligent on the basis of that person's abilities in areas that the first person values.

Having swung between atheism and agonsticism for a long time(and finally settled on deism), Ifind that the only truly stupid people, when it comes to religion, are those people who sit around message boards all day yelling at each other about which religion(or lack thereof) is the best one despite the fact that they must know they won't convert anyone. Note that I'm not opposed to discussion of religion on these message boards, I simply note that the blanket statements in which you say "Theists and Atheists are stupid" or "Non-Christians are stupid" or whatever are utlimately pointless and are a waste of time not only for the writer but also for the person who has to scroll through those statements to get to the posts by people who are willing to discuss in a civilized and sane manner.

No agnostics are rational and logical.

While atheists and theists zealously assert that they are right, despite lacks of evidence on both sides.
Thank you for showing just how intelligent you aren't. You cannot prove that something does not exist, so there can never be any "evidence on the side of atheism."

Having swung between atheism and agonsticism for a long time(and finally settled on deism), Ifind that the only truly stupid people, when it comes to religion, are those people who sit around message boards all day yelling at each other about which religion(or lack thereof) is the best one despite the fact that they must know they won't convert anyone. Note that I'm not opposed to discussion of religion on these message boards, I simply note that the blanket statements in which you say "Theists and Atheists are stupid" or "Non-Christians are stupid" or whatever are utlimately pointless and are a waste of time not only for the writer but also for the person who has to scroll through those statements to get to the posts by people who are willing to discuss in a civilized and sane manner.
Some people have fun doing that. And if the object of their actions is to have fun, well, it's not really that stupid. ;) That being said, I do get annoyed by people saying such stuff sometimes, so I get where you're coming from.

Incidentally, I like deism, it seems to me like a good sort of view. It seems consistent with the observable world around us, and I like that in beliefs.