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Okay, I really would like to get to the bottom of this...can someone please explain to me how it is that XBox is even close to being on the same level as PS2? I don't know a lot about it, so could someone please post a list of some of the best XBox games and explain why they are so good? (The goodness of a console is determined by the games made for it and nothing else so don't talk about XBox being more powerful...). Anway, please, I've never seen a list of excellent XBox games and as far as I know, the only good one is Halo. I just want to get to the bottom of this mystery.

Opal, If you have an Xbox, You should give Full Spectrum Warrior a try... While it's not a FPS, it a squad based war game that is just awsome to play...
Tell me more, tell me more.

ok psx sucks so bad if you were to put them in a race then psx wouldn't even pass the start line in 20 billon years and x-box would cross the finish the finish line in two seconds

Well my friends and myself rented this a few weeks ago and started playing it, Two of my friends were expecting it to be a modern warfare shooter game and tossed it aside, I picked it up and fell in love with it...

It's a modern Warfare combat similater... You are the leader of two or three small squads In some conflict areas of the middle east... You must use stradigy to fight in order to survive, for example, If you want to take out three enemies, You must first Select the enemy or enemies in order to fire, it is a good idea if you find cover before hand as well... You use many combat tactics that the army or marines are using over in the conflict areas...
Many people complain about it being slow paced (I know my friends did)... But it is quite intense if you keep in mind that if you lose two people in your squad it's mission over...
I think I got most of the important things down...
It also dropped my jaw when I saw the graphics...
Right, I must head off now... I hope you take this game into consideration Opal, It was great discussing games with you.

ok psx sucks so bad if you were to put them in a race then psx wouldn't even pass the start line in 20 billon years and x-box would cross the finish the finish line in two seconds
Uhm, thanks for the flame and failure to post a single good game for XBox.
Good, original games for PSX
All the Final Fantasies that came out on PSX
GTA (all three of the PSX releases)
Silent Hill
Metal Gear Solid
There's a start, but this thread isn't about why PSX is better than XBox (I'm ignorant about XBox and would actually believe that PSX IS better than XBox...so convince me otherwise).
This thread is about XBox and XBox only. Show me a list of good XBox games. Failure to do this would be the same as saying XBox is the worst console ever. (Because obviously, if it has no good games, then what good is it? Even Atari had good games...a lot of them...)

PS2 and XBOX is teh sukc

PC is teh pwn.

PC is unmatched.

PC is teh pwn.

Well my friends and myself rented this a few weeks ago and started playing it, Two of my friends were expecting it to be a modern warfare shooter game and tossed it aside, I picked it up and fell in love with it...

It's a modern Warfare combat similater... You are the leader of two or three small squads In some conflict areas of the middle east... You must use stradigy to fight in order to survive, for example, If you want to take out three enemies, You must first Select the enemy or enemies in order to fire, it is a good idea if you find cover before hand as well... You use many combat tactics that the army or marines are using over in the conflict areas...
Many people complain about it being slow paced (I know my friends did)... But it is quite intense if you keep in mind that if you lose two people in your squad it's mission over...
I think I got most of the important things down...
It also dropped my jaw when I saw the graphics...
Right, I must head off now... I hope you take this game into consideration Opal, It was great discussing games with you.
Alright, at least someone is making an effort.
1) Sounds a lot like any and all of the Rainbox Six games.
2) There is a game on PS2 that sounds like it is the exact same as this only better because it comes with a headset and you give voice commands.

PS2 and XBOX is teh sukc

PC is teh pwn.

PC is unmatched.

PC is teh pwn.
Uh..are people even reading the original post? I'm trying to find some evidence as to why people compare XBox and PS2. I already know PC beats all of them. And as far as I know, PS2 beats everything else. And then next in line is PSX. I'm trying to get people to show me why XBox is so good.
--So in other words, if you aren't going to show an example of XBox being good, or make a counterpoint to someone's example of XBox being good, all you are doing is spamming.

It's the X.

X-es make all products better than they are. That's why they use em everywhere now.

X is short for extreme. ANd anything extreme is good. *nod*

I recently say eXtreme toothpaste. It's obviously better than it's non-eXtreme siblings. X-treme deodorant keeps you smelling better. eXtreme yogurt. Need I say more?

It's the X.

X-es make all products better than they are. That's why they use em everywhere now.

X is short for extreme. ANd anything extreme is good. *nod*

I recently say eXtreme toothpaste. It's obviously better than it's non-eXtreme siblings. X-treme deodorant keeps you smelling better. eXtreme yogurt. Need I say more?
Thank you for this spammed out non-contribution of a post. We'll keep that in mind.

(The goodness of a console is determined by the games made for it and nothing else so don't talk about XBox being more powerful...).

Thank you for telling me how to determine what makes a good console. Games are important, yes. But if you actually think the NES (which had many good games) if released today could compete with the PS2 or Xbox, you're kidding yourself.

Both have good games. Some of my favourite games of all time were on the NES. However, current consoles have good games and vastly improved hardware. Games are good, but they aren't the whole picture. Games alone have never, and will never, make a system better than another; forget allow it to succeed.

With that rant aside:

- Many games are multi-platform. Xbox ports tend to have improved graphics, may be compatible with Xbox Live! for downloading extra content or playing online, and not uncommonly have extra features (extra characters or costumes, extra weapons, even extra game modes).

A PS2 can play online, but the service simply isn't in the league of the centralized Xbox Live!. Likewise you can buy a harddrive to store anything made for download (though I'm not aware of anything released by this means), but the Xbox comes with a harddrive installed. It also means you never need to buy a memory card again, ever.

- 4 controller ports. Period.

- Customizable soundtracks (woefully underused).

- A dedicated and centralized online service (both for online play, and for downloading extra content).

- Exclusive games such as KOTOR, the Dead or Alive series (barring games in that series released pre-Xbox), the Halo series, Ninja Gaiden, Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge, Shenmue 2, Otogi: Myth of Demons, Fable, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Links 2004 (hey, some people like golf o.O), and more I'm no doubt missing.

Overall, the Xbox just doesn't really have any significant weaknesses. The Xbox is an all-around decent package; while not excelling at everything, it doesn't really fail at anything either. It's just a solid first console.

Thank you for this spammed out non-contribution of a post. We'll keep that in mind.

I like you. You're silly. :D

Uh..are people even reading the original post? I'm trying to find some evidence as to why people compare XBox and PS2. I already know PC beats all of them. And as far as I know, PS2 beats everything else. And then next in line is PSX. I'm trying to get people to show me why XBox is so good.
--So in other words, if you aren't going to show an example of XBox being good, or make a counterpoint to someone's example of XBox being good, all you are doing is spamming.

Oh well in that case I agree with you completely... I played Mechwarrior on XBox... horrible...

and yeah thats it.

Thank you for telling me how to determine what makes a good console. Games are important, yes. But if you actually think the NES (which had many good games) if released today could compete with the PS2 or Xbox, you're kidding yourself.

Both have good games. Some of my favourite games of all time were on the NES. However, current consoles have good games and vastly improved hardware. Games are good, but they aren't the whole picture. Games alone have never, and will never, make a system better than another; forget allow it to succeed.

With that rant aside:

- Many games are multi-platform. Xbox ports tend to have improved graphics, may be compatible with Xbox Live! for downloading extra content or playing online, and not uncommonly have extra features (extra characters or costumes, extra weapons, even extra game modes).

A PS2 can play online, but the service simply isn't in the league of the centralized Xbox Live!. Likewise you can buy a harddrive to store anything made for download (though I'm not aware of anything released by this means), but the Xbox comes with a harddrive installed. It also means you never need to buy a memory card again, ever.

- 4 controller ports. Period.

- Customizable soundtracks (woefully underused).

- A dedicated and centralized online service (both for online play, and for downloading extra content).

- Exclusive games such as KOTOR, the Dead or Alive series (barring games in that series released pre-Xbox), the Halo series, Ninja Gaiden, Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge, Shenmue 2, Otogi: Myth of Demons, Fable, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Links 2004 (hey, some people like golf o.O), and more I'm no doubt missing.

Overall, the Xbox just doesn't really have any significant weaknesses. The Xbox is an all-around decent package; while not excelling at everything, it doesn't really fail at anything either. It's just a solid first console.

I still pull my SNES out and play it every now and then. I don't play my old PSX, but I will play my PSX games in my PS2 (having them both hooked up is redundant). And while NES wouldn't compete with any system today, it isn't meant to compete with those systems. Anyway, the games that are multi-platform are obviously better on XBox for two reasons. 1) XBox is more powerful. 2) XBox doesn't get the game first so there is obviously time to make further improvements. I'm not really that concerned with graphics anyway.
Anyway, the online stuff, blah blah, that turns it into less of a console and more of a PC. When I want to play online games, I go to my PC. So, for me personally, I'm not going to accept the online trash as an argument for either, becuase I don't use it on my PS2 and wouldn't use it on Xbox. Anyway, the only thing for me personally that makes me decide what console I want to buy is the games and Sony has just done a much better job on that end. Now, for your games, as I obviously don't own an XBox, you'll have to tell me about the games. But I'll start by commenting on the ones I know.

Halo - while it may be exclusive to XBox, I view it as a rip off of Tribes...because, well...it is...also, I don't think FPS is a very good console genre. I don't play FPSs on my PS2 (Well, the Matrix [which sucks] and Metal Gear Solid 2 [which pwns] [with a p] are sort of FPS, but they can be put in 3rd also and you have the auto-aim which means it isn't really a shooter game...) and I wouldn't play them on XBox, no matter how good they are...FPS should be left to PC. I pretty much play FPS exclusively on my PC...

Links 2004 - a sports game? please, PS2 is the place to go for sports games...in fact, kind of like how I think FPS should be left to PC (because they do a better job and the controls are easier), Sports should be left to PS2 (because they do a better job). But all that aside, my dad had a game called "Links" for DOS. I'm sure there are some between that original one and Links 2004...which means it isn't really an XBox exclusive.

As for the rest of the games, I'd like to hear more about them.

Oh well in that case I agree with you completely... I played Mechwarrior on XBox... horrible...

and yeah thats it.

Heh...speaking of Mech Warrior... I played and loved the DOS version of that game...

Heh...speaking of Mech Warrior... I played and loved the DOS version of that game...

What are you talking about Mechwarrior 2 was the apex of the series.

What are you talking about Mechwarrior 2 was the apex of the series.
That may have been the one I played. I don't remember which it was. Like I said. DOS. Anyway, I only played one of them.

<-- Pimp.

I have both systems. And the only game PS2 beats XBOX on is Socom 1 & 2

I have both systems. And the only game PS2 beats XBOX on is Socom 1 & 2
But PS2 gets credit for GTA even though XBox has it (only because Rockstar is a sell out...) and anyway, I'm sure there are a lot of the top PS2 games you haven't played. Any of the Gran Turismos for PS2...Metal Gear Solid...ANY sports game...of course, if these games don't interest you...it's a different story...although, rumours of PS3 are already in the works...
The problem with Sony is that they release their console off from everyone else (which is good for Sony). I mean PSX came out basically the same time as 64, but PS2 was released basically before anything from the next line of consoles, and PS3 will be released before the next line as well...

I still pull my SNES out and play it every now and then. I don't play my old PSX, but I will play my PSX games in my PS2 (having them both hooked up is redundant). And while NES wouldn't compete with any system today, it isn't meant to compete with those systems. Anyway, the games that are multi-platform are obviously better on XBox for two reasons. 1) XBox is more powerful. 2) XBox doesn't get the game first so there is obviously time to make further improvements. I'm not really that concerned with graphics anyway.
Anyway, the online stuff, blah blah, that turns it into less of a console and more of a PC. When I want to play online games, I go to my PC. So, for me personally, I'm not going to accept the online trash as an argument for either, becuase I don't use it on my PS2 and wouldn't use it on Xbox. Anyway, the only thing for me personally that makes me decide what console I want to buy is the games and Sony has just done a much better job on that end. Now, for your games, as I obviously don't own an XBox, you'll have to tell me about the games. But I'll start by commenting on the ones I know.

Halo - while it may be exclusive to XBox, I view it as a rip off of Tribes...because, well...it is...also, I don't think FPS is a very good console genre. I don't play FPSs on my PS2 (Well, the Matrix [which sucks] and Metal Gear Solid 2 [which pwns] [with a p] are sort of FPS, but they can be put in 3rd also and you have the auto-aim which means it isn't really a shooter game...) and I wouldn't play them on XBox, no matter how good they are...FPS should be left to PC. I pretty much play FPS exclusively on my PC...

Links 2004 - a sports game? please, PS2 is the place to go for sports games...in fact, kind of like how I think FPS should be left to PC (because they do a better job and the controls are easier), Sports should be left to PS2 (because they do a better job). But all that aside, my dad had a game called "Links" for DOS. I'm sure there are some between that original one and Links 2004...which means it isn't really an XBox exclusive.

As for the rest of the games, I'd like to hear more about them.

I respect your opinions. The Xbox isn't for everyone. However, that doesn't make the PS2 superior to the Xbox. Perhaps you mean to ask "Why should I use an Xbox over the PS2?". In that case, the answer is most obviously you shouldn't. From what I'm reading, the PS2 matches up with your likes and interests more than the Xbox does.

Really, you have to ask what you're looking for in a console. The Xbox is ideal for people who want top of the line console graphics, who don't like buying extra peripherals (memory cards, multi-taps), who have a lot of friends who like multi-player gaming, and who are interested in online play.

It's good for almost anyone, but tailored specifically to those people.

People who like, say... RPG's a lot would be much better with the PS2. People who want a DVD player that works out of the box would also be better off with the PS2.

The Xbox is just an all around safe bet. No matter what reason you want a console for, you can likely find it in at least passable form in the Xbox. However, for the ideal experience it would be best to compare your personal likes and dislikes against all three consoles. Xbox may be the safest bet, but it isn't always the best for everyone.

I respect your opinions. The Xbox isn't for everyone. However, that doesn't make the PS2 superior to the Xbox. Perhaps you mean to ask "Why should I use an Xbox over the PS2?". In that case, the answer is most obviously you shouldn't. From what I'm reading, the PS2 matches up with your likes and interests more than the Xbox does.

Really, you have to ask what you're looking for in a console. The Xbox is ideal for people who want top of the line console graphics, who don't like buying extra peripherals (memory cards, multi-taps), who have a lot of friends who like multi-player gaming, and who are interested in online play.

It's good for almost anyone, but tailored specifically to those people.

People who like, say... RPG's a lot would be much better with the PS2. People who want a DVD player that works out of the box would also be better off with the PS2.

The Xbox is just an all around safe bet. No matter what reason you want a console for, you can likely find it in at least passable form in the Xbox. However, for the ideal experience it would be best to compare your personal likes and dislikes against all three consoles. Xbox may be the safest bet, but it isn't always the best for everyone.

Actually, I'm not necessarily trying to compare the consoles. I'm just saying, people say XBox is so great and I'd like to hear about some of the games that make it so great and such and see if I can't make a good argument against them for myself personally. If I was unclear in the original post, I meant for this thread to be kind of a way to try proving to me that there might be something in an XBox I'm interested in. Anyway...the advantages of both consoles that you describe are exactly what you get in a PC (all the way around) which is why PC wins hands down...heh...although I have GTA:VC for PC and hate it, but I enjoy it on PS2. It's just the different games and it may be that I don't like any of the XBox's best genres, or at the very least don't like them on console.

Also, I think Playstation beats any console (even PC) for sports games and racing games. I think that PS gets all the credit for GTA. And I don't really like RPGs that much. So, based off that, convince me that there is a game out there for me on the XBox. (I'm not really that concerned with graphics...)

Some games I like, doesn't mean most people would like them and unless you are me I don't expect you to agree with me on these.

First, I heard GTA mentioned earlier in a case for the PS2, it is out for the Xbox and the new GTA will be coming out. Of course the 'box' version has some new features (custom soundtracks!) and (this is most important for me) the 'box runs the game well enough so that if you see a car you wnat and then turn around to try and catch up to jack it, not only will it still be there but you will have a pretty good chance of catuching up and taking it.

Secondly, we've already mentioned Halo so I'm not going to bother with telling you how fun this game is. (Still playing it and I got Halo and Xbox the day it came out.)

Third, Mechassualt. Some poeple don't like it, I do. While it lacks the ability to customize your mech I don't feel that that is too much of a loss. Great visuals, fun multi, Xbox Live!, and a storyline.

Fourth, Chronicals of Riddick: Escape from butcher bay, bloody fun. The game is fast paced, has some awsome horror elements, puzzle solving (lite) and is one of the best first person shooters(brawlers) you can find. I might mention the amazing visuals but as you've discounted hardware as a reason for the system being good I guess visuals don't matter.

Fifth, DOA. The DOA series is simply wonderful and despite what everyone believes of DOAX the gameplay is fun, not just the visuals. Very fun games and with an online version coming. *drools*

Sixth, Splinter cell. The first one was great if linear. The second one is one of the most engaging multiplayer experiences I've ever had and has the one ability that puts it above all other multi games. As a spy you are expected to snap the merc's necks, but when you grab them you can use your headset to talk to them for as long as you like... Taunting your friends has never been so cool, and it's not often you have a player begging to be killed.

Now, I've heard mention of Fable, which brings me to the games that aren't out yet and will be bloody great!

Fable. The vids/screenshots speak for themselves. From the people behind Black and White so you can expect excellent gameplay with some humour. Should be the best RPG to date, with a wonderful inviroment, and a world that responds to your actions.

Mechassault 2: Lone Wolf. Uh... Wow! I've seen the vids and I can't describe how cool this will be... You get to use all the vehicles and can acually jack tanks, mechs, whatever. Also the multi is going to be amazing with teams of people riding on a dropship from which the drop off of to jack enemy mechs, should prove entertaining for hours and should feature some inventive strategy.

Halo 2. I don't need to say more, no one does.

Unreal Championship 2. Great visuals, completely different from Unreal 04, melee weapons, and some of the coolest acrobatics moves ever. Very sweet gameplay/multi I'm sure and you get the "Headshot!" announcement which I love.

GTA: San Andrias. Yeah PS2 will be getting it and getting it first but I will put down a lot of money that the 'box version has some features that the PS version doesn't have and can be run much easier.

DOOM 3. I don't really need to tell you why this will be great. It is the mother of all FPS (literally DOOM was the first FPS if memory serves, it might have been wolfenstien though..) great vids and promises to be scary as hell (at least that's how I view it from the vids I've seen)

Starcraft Ghost. Blizzard. If that has no meaning to you well...(Please exit from under your rock) Looks to be an amazing stealth/action adventure that has some cool visuals and unlike splinter cell will have vehicles.

Finally, I don't want to get into any more, B.C. Wonderful visuals, and promising to be very fun. You lead a tribe of humans in a world populated with dinosaurs and an active enviroment (IE: if you kill off all the food more won't be appearing, you have to let it breed/grow and hope you don't run out.) Plus the fun of inventing things.

Really, you have to ask what you're looking for in a console. The Xbox is ideal for people who want top of the line console graphics.

It is really argueable whether or not xbox has better graphics than ps2.

PC is more expensive, sadly. One of the greatest things about a console is the price. Anyhow, games.

KOTOR - It's an RPG, which the Xbox is in desperate need of. It's classical D&D style RPG, as opposed to say... Final Fantasy. People who grew up with table-top gaming will like it instantly. Same with people who like the Star Wars franchise. It's got really nice production value, and is decently fun if you like the style of game (even more so if you like the franchise).

Halo - I've never played Tribes, so I can't compare it. The graphics really are quite impressive, even against more recent games. The controls are solid, and it offers quite a few features not available in console games beforehand (using a variety of vehicles on ground and in the air, melee attacks while holding a weapon, using a flashlight to illuminate dark areas or turning it off for stealth, unique and futuristic weapons such as the Stinger and Plasma Grenades). The terrains are expansive, and the action fast paced. The musical score isn't in your face, but is quite moving nevertheless.

Fable is forthcoming, but promises to be a new kind of experience. First of all, it's an RPG - but a vastly more immersive one, sort of like Morrowind on steroids. Your character can actually become fat if they eat too much, have their hair styled or shaved, take a wife (or multiple wives), own a home, age, get drunk, etc.

People react in a more realistic way. If I offer a beer to a passerby, he'll actually start acting drunk. Moreover, people who see this will come by and try to get beer from me. If I kill someone, police in the land will try to catch and arrest me, and my reputation will go down. People will react differently to me based on my actions, even if they weren't there when it happened.

It's more expansive than I can begin to explan, and incredibly open-ended. It's just a truly immersive experience.

Ninja Gaiden has... well... ninjas. And killing. And fast paced action. And nice graphics with decent controls. And crappy camera angles. But, eh. It's also got the Ninja Gaiden name, which attracts old school fans.

Links 2004 is supposed to be a really good golf simulation, with online play and a lot of different and unique modes. Never played it, can't really say much about it.

Dead or Alive has stunning graphics, fast paced play that is quick to learn by difficult to master, immersive and destructable enviroments, a slew of characters with different fighting styles, and a rather 'meh' story mode than lets you learn more about the characters and their rivals. The music is passable. In short, it's Dead or Alive.

There's more, but it's 5:45AM, and you can find full articles on Google about each of these games. o.o; You get the picture.

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It is really argueable whether or not xbox has better graphics than ps2.

Nope. The PS2 is slightly behind the Gamecube, which is well behind the Xbox. The PS2's hardware is the weakest this generation (with the exception of the Dreamcast), though all 3 have strong and weak points.

PC is more expensive, sadly. One of the greatest things about a console is the price. Anyhow, games.

KOTOR - It's an RPG, which the Xbox is in desperate need of. It's classical D&D style RPG, as opposed to say... Final Fantasy. People who grew up with table-top gaming will like it instantly. Same with people who like the Star Wars franchise. It's got really nice production value, and is decently fun if you like the style of game (even more so if you like the franchise).



!!!!!!

It's so much better on PC...

Why BIOWARE WHY!!!

Why did you have to sell out and start making games for the damnable consoles.

But those who stick to consoles will never enjoy the wonders of Baldur's Gate series!!!

Nope. The PS2 is slightly behind the Gamecube, which is well behind the Xbox. The PS2's hardware is the weakest this generation (with the exception of the Dreamcast), though all 3 have strong and weak points.

Howoever for so many games the designers utilize all of PS2's power to make amazing graphics...

XBOX games always comes out cartonny in my opinion...

If you can afford a gaming class PC, and can afford to upgrade it for new games, and don't mind having to download patches to make it work out of the box, and don't mind taking up large amounts of your computer's harddrive, then yes; a PC is great for gaming. It's not for everyone though.

Halo, whether a rip-off or not, is still the best multiplayer game with plenty of replay value (and an outstanding FPS with a good story). Lots of game types (slayer, team slayer, rockets, CTF, king of the hill, etc.) and a hell of a lot of fun to play with your friends (especially 16 player team games with the system link).

Crimison Skies also is a great game (storyline, flying, shooting, multiplayer, etc.) and one of my favorites.

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is an excellent RPG and you can go either light side or dark side of the force. The storyline is outstanding and the graphics are amazing. (I'm also partial to SW: Jedi Academy for a couple of entertaining afternoons.)

Metal Slug 3 is a fun, Contra-style 2D side scroller. Highly underrated and hard as hell. Some old school action!

GTA3 and Vice City look amazing on XBox.

Spiderman 2 and Soul Calibur are available on both PS2 and XBox, but the graphics kick ass on the XBox.

You really can't go wrong with most Tom Clancy games (Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon, etc.).

Prince of Persia is underrated, and Chronicles of Riddick is also good. Red Dead Revolver is also a lot of fun. Ninja Gaiden is challenging and satisfying. Otogi looked and played great, and Panzer Dragoon wasn't my thing, but also visually amazing.

And games to look forward to: Halo 2, Doom 3, GoldenEye: Rogue Agent and the EA Sports games that now will offer XBox Live compatability.

With all of this and 4 controllers and a built in hard drive, XBox was and is THE system of the future of gaming. The next generation promises to be amazing. It's one of the best investments in entertainment that I've ever made.

Howoever for so many games the designers utilize all of PS2's power to make amazing graphics...

XBOX games always comes out cartonny in my opinion...

I have to agree that with some of them you are very right. Now I do support the Xbox but too many of them do look "cartoony" of course when you want cartoony I think we can all agree you must bow down in awe of the Gamecube.

And yes the PS2 does end up with games that do look very good but if you put all of the PS2's power next to all of the Xbox's on the same game you'll see a difference.

And I know this is completely off topic but if you listen to what's happening with the PS3, you will note that it is becoming more and more like the Xbox. In the end I'd have to say that if other systems are immitating(SP. It's 4 in the morning I've been up for almost 24 hours give me a break) it then the Xbox must be doing something right.

If you can afford a gaming class PC, and can afford to upgrade it for new games, and don't mind having to download patches to make it work out of the box, and don't mind taking up large amounts of your computer's harddrive, then yes; a PC is great for gaming. It's not for everyone though.

You make it sound so horrible.

You can get a good PC nowadays relatively cheap.

Most games don't require patching at all.

And the standard hard drive is large enough now to house plenty of games.

I have to agree that with some of them you are very right. Now I do support the Xbox but too many of them do look "cartoony" of course when you want cartoony I think we can all agree you must bow down in awe of the Gamecube.

And yes the PS2 does end up with games that do look very good but if you put all of the PS2's power next to all of the Xbox's on the same game you'll see a difference.

Frankly Im no console buff and the only time I played xbox and ps2 is at my friends' houses.

But I calls em how I sees em,

why has nobody yet mentioned "knights of the old republic" for xbox?

play that game for an hour or two.

then try to stop playing. its not easy...

You make it sound so horrible.

You can get a good PC nowadays relatively cheap.

Most games don't require patching at all.

And the standard hard drive is large enough now to house plenty of games.

Relative to what? A console? I can buy an Xbox for $149CND. A computer capable of playing any new games would cost me at least $999CND, assuming I made it myself. Over 5 times the price of a console isn't relatively cheap.

Relative to what? A console? I can buy an Xbox for $149CND. A computer capable of playing any new games would cost me at least $999CND, assuming I made it myself. Over 5 times the price of a console isn't relatively cheap.

I recently bought a relatively high end PC for only $600. Besides you seem to forget that a computer has a million more uses than gaming.

Halo sucked. That's all I have to say.

Halo sucked. That's all I have to say.
I agree.

Halo sucked. That's all I have to say.

Why? I'm fine with you saying "Halo Sucked" but you have to have some reason for it.

I recently bought a relatively high end PC for only $600. Besides you seem to forget that a computer has a million more uses than gaming.

I'm assuming several things:

1) Canadian currency. You're sure you aren't thinking USD?

2) Brand name parts. I don't want some knock-off crap.

3) I want my computer to last me at least a year before I need to upgrade. Otherwise it's a waste of time.

Even at $600, you're still spending 4 times the current price of a console. A console is plug and play, no fuss, no mess. A console can last 5 or 6 years, a computer requires upgrades every 2 years at most.

Last but not least, I already own a computer. That shouldn't come as much surprise. I use my computer for things only a computer can do, and I use my consoles for gaming. It's never failed me yet, and I see no reason to fix what isn't broken.

Why? I'm fine with you saying "Halo Sucked" but you have to have some reason for it.

Me... I played multiplayer on it... and I didn't like it... Didn't play single player...

So let me rephrase that then... Halo's multiplayer sucked

I'm assuming several things:

1) Canadian currency. You're sure you aren't thinking USD?

2) Brand name parts. I don't want some knock-off crap.

3) I want my computer to last me at least a year before I need to upgrade. Otherwise it's a waste of time.

Even at $600, you're still spending 4 times the current price of a console. A console is plug and play, no fuss, no mess. A console can last 5 or 6 years, a computer requires upgrades every 2 years at most.

Last but not least, I already own a computer. That shouldn't come as much surprise. I use my computer for things only a computer can do, and I use my consoles for gaming. It's never failed me yet, and I see no reason to fix what isn't broken.

USD

HP Pentium 4 3.0ghz processor
128 mb NVIDIA geforce FX something
150 gb hd
512 ram
dvd rom/burner
cd rom
card reader drives
usb drives
fire wire

600 bucks American in southern california

The last computer I have is from late 1999
It served me well and only recently has it not been able to run some high end fps games.

Also old computers tend to get virues despite all precautions... certian harware breaks...

Weird software problems...

Eventually ya need to buy a new computer... or maybe thats just me.

$600USD is currently just under $800CND. The actual difference varies based on the value of our dollar, but even so $800 is more than 5 times what I paid for my Xbox. In fact, I can buy an Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, and GBA SP for that price. 3 consoles and a handheld versus one gaming PC.

The consoles will never need to be upgraded, ever. They will always run the current games, and after about 5 or 6 years (depending on when the company making it decides) I buy a new one and the process begins again.

I'm sorry, but that's not relatively cheap at all. Relatively, it's very expensive. You may consider it a value, but I see no reason why I need to pay that much more for a PC when my console plays games just fine at a fraction of the price, with no headaches over upgrades or compatibility.

Why? I'm fine with you saying "Halo Sucked" but you have to have some reason for it.

Alright, Alright. The weapons were boring, unoriginal, and there were only a handful. (Though the plasma grenade sticking upon enemies did make me laugh the first couple of times). Not to mention I found the alien weapons, apart from the needler, practically useless. There wasn't a good range of enemies, and after a while, killing the same thing over and over again is boring. The vehicles weren't that interesting. A fun diversion for a little while in multiplayer, but in single player, it's more effective to get out and shoot the enemies yourself. The storyline failed to hold my interest- Aliens with a super-weapon about to destroy earth. Granted, most (not all) FPS games don't have much of this...

...but the biggest killer was that there was no suspense- There's no fear of dying or wondering with dread what is around the corner that is in all good FPS games, because whatever it is, if anything, is just some crappy grunt that hardly does any damage on its own. If the game had suspense in abundance, i'd forgive all the other flaws.

Edit- I played up to about halfway, for reference. I'll give a game until i'm halfway through before passing judgement.

Me... I played multiplayer on it... and I didn't like it... Didn't play single player...

So let me rephrase that then... Halo's multiplayer sucked

Yeah, it's not for everyone. I like it and I don't think there are many better games for 16 player lan-parties. (CTF, Bloodgultch, all vehicles, 1 hour time limit) The single player and co-op was the best thing about the game to me, apart from lan-parties I find that I don't play multi much. Halo had an amazing storyline, and was one of the most difficult games I've ever played (on legendary without playing normal or something to learn the levels).

$600USD is currently just under $800CND. The actual difference varies based on the value of our dollar, but even so $800 is more than 5 times what I paid for my Xbox. In fact, I can buy an Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, and GBA SP for that price. 3 consoles and a handheld versus one gaming PC.

The consoles will never need to be upgraded, ever. They will always run the current games, and after about 5 or 6 years (depending on when the company making it decides) I buy a new one and the process begins again.

I'm sorry, but that's not relatively cheap at all. Relatively, it's very expensive. You may consider it a value, but I see no reason why I need to pay that much more for a PC when my console plays games just fine at a fraction of the price, with no headaches over upgrades or compatibility.

Well I consider it a waste of money to actually purchase something that is built solely for gaming.

It's like buying a boombox isntead of a car.

Yeah, it's not for everyone. I like it and I don't think there are many better games for 16 player lan-parties. (CTF, Bloodgultch, all vehicles, 1 hour time limit) The single player and co-op was the best thing about the game to me, apart from lan-parties I find that I don't play multi much. Halo had an amazing storyline, and was one of the most difficult games I've ever played (on legendary without playing normal or something to learn the levels).

Well as far as great multiplayer PC games went...

First is was Cnc Renegade

Then BF1943

Now Soldner...

God that game is awesome.

Well I consider it a waste of money to actually purchase something that is built solely for gaming.

It's like buying a boombox isntead of a car.

So you're suggesting a person should buy a car over a boombox, because the car plays music and allows them to drive? Despite the fact that the person only wanted the boombox to play music, and therefore has no need for the vastly more expensive car?

I'm not really getting how that goes against my argument. If anything, you've just made my point for me. I don't rent a hotel room to get the complimentary mint. If I want a mint, I'll buy a mint seperately and save myself the cash.

If I want to play games, I'll buy a console. That's all it does, play games. That's all I want it to do. Anything else is just excess and raises the price.

But, it's now 6:33AM and I still haven't slept. I had better log off. Goodnight all, and to each their own.

Alright, Alright. The weapons were boring, unoriginal, and there were only a handful. (Though the plasma grenade sticking upon enemies did make me laugh the first couple of times). Not to mention I found the alien weapons, apart from the needler, practically useless. There wasn't a good range of enemies, and after a while, killing the same thing over and over again is boring. The vehicles weren't that interesting. A fun diversion for a little while in multiplayer, but in single player, it's more effective to get out and shoot the enemies yourself. The storyline failed to hold my interest- Aliens with a super-weapon about to destroy earth. Granted, most (not all) FPS games don't have much of this...

...but the biggest killer was that there was no suspense- There's no fear of dying or wondering with dread what is around the corner that is in all good FPS games, because whatever it is, if anything, is just some crappy grunt that hardly does any damage on its own. If the game had suspense in abundance, i'd forgive all the other flaws.

If you played it on legendary or even heroic I'd be suprised. The first time I ran into hunters I was bloody scared and I was terrified of fighting them again. (First time through was on legendary as I've noted before.)

The alien weapons are, for my money, the only good weapons in the game apart from the sniper rifle and pistol. They certianly do much more damage and there is no reloading. If it is harder to hit some enemies then ah well the increased damage when you do hit makes up for it. Of course the ability I found sorely lacking is the ability to pick up and use the Jackal's shields or the plasma swords. (Read the books, it should be possible!)

The human weapons were generic but I didn't mind that. I don't imagine that if there is one human power that there will be more than one standard issue rifle and one standard issue pistol and there was almost no feasible way (given the storyline) that you could have some of the weapons featured in Halo 2 put in Halo.

What superweapon and how was earth involved? Halo yes but no one could use it. And earth? That's the sequal not the original.

In the vehicles I'll agree that it is more fun to get out and do your own killing but they are very usefull in the single player and provide some excellent strategies in multi.

As to killing the same thing. Yes. I concied the point that it does get boring even if that is the bread and butter of most FPS and that to preserve the storyline they couldn't have new things popping out everywhere.

I guess it all depends on what is most important to you.

So you're suggesting a person should buy a car over a boombox, because the car plays music and allows them to drive? Despite the fact that the person only wanted the boombox to play music, and therefore has no need for the vastly more expensive car?

I'm not really getting how that goes against my argument. If anything, you've just made my point for me. I don't rent a hotel room to get the complimentary mint. If I want a mint, I'll buy a mint seperately and save myself the cash.

If I want to play games, I'll buy a console. That's all it does, play games. That's all I want it to do. Anything else is just excess and raises the price.

But, it's now 6:33AM and I still haven't slept. I had better log off. Goodnight all, and to each their own.

No my point is this. Why waste money on seperate appliances when you get one thing in one big package. You get everything... and I never said I bought my computer solely for gaming... it meets all of my needs.

Halo is just so not original... But I don't have that game (but I've played it trough at my friends box) so there's no need to me try to argue something about it...

But as it comes to Xbox...

I don't use PC for gaming - I use it for surfing on the net and stuff
For gaiming I use my Xbox and sometimes (but VERY rarely) my PS1

And for the games that are good on Xbox... It's kind of a taste question... If you don't like FPS, then there's no reason for you to buy them... and so on
I like many games, but especially a good RPG (not the FF kinda...) makes me want to play more and more... I have morrowind on xbox and I'm gonna buy Fable as soon as it comes here... (which may take a lot more time than in USA or Canada or something like that...)

That's all I got to say.... continue...

If you played it on legendary or even heroic I'd be suprised. The first time I ran into hunters I was bloody scared and I was terrified of fighting them again. (First time through was on legendary as I've noted before.)

The alien weapons are, for my money, the only good weapons in the game apart from the sniper rifle and pistol. They certianly do much more damage and there is no reloading. If it is harder to hit some enemies then ah well the increased damage when you do hit makes up for it. Of course the ability I found sorely lacking is the ability to pick up and use the Jackal's shields or the plasma swords. (Read the books, it should be possible!)

The human weapons were generic but I didn't mind that. I don't imagine that if there is one human power that there will be more than one standard issue rifle and one standard issue pistol and there was almost no feasible way (given the storyline) that you could have some of the weapons featured in Halo 2 put in Halo.

What superweapon and how was earth involved? Halo yes but no one could use it. And earth? That's the sequal not the original.

In the vehicles I'll agree that it is more fun to get out and do your own killing but they are very usefull in the single player and provide some excellent strategies in multi.

As to killing the same thing. Yes. I concied the point that it does get boring even if that is the bread and butter of most FPS and that to preserve the storyline they couldn't have new things popping out everywhere.

I guess it all depends on what is most important to you.


I was playing on Heroic- I tried Legendary, but it was just bullshit. I want to enjoy myself rather than die ad nauseam just to pass one stupid bit. There was no fear, just frustration at having to repeat the same bit again.

Maybe it's just me being used to using PC for games, but as for the alien weapons being hard to aim, well, if the only way you can hit something is by going berzerk, then what good is it when the weapons overheat in two seconds? (Plasma rifle) The pistol was the most useful weapon. Assault rifle was generic and nothing special. The shotgun I found very effective, but again generic. I think if they were going to have generic weapons, there should have been more of them- for example, heavy machine gun (as featured on the jeep), or even modifications of the other weapons, eg. machine pistol or assault shotgun.

The earth was involved because it was a galactic war against the religious zealot covenant...or something. See, i'm not to clear about the story, because frankly, what little I was told in the game didn't hold my interest.

I didn't find the vehicles useful apart from saving me 20 mins of walking. The alien jet thing was cool, and the most fun I had with the game was playing co-op in a level with a massive trench and a few jet launchpads trying to shoot eachother down.

I'm fine with killing the same thing- If the same thing can give me a feeling of accomplishment when I kill it, can hunt me down or pull nasty tricks. In halo, even the big blue things were just another alien and didnt give me any feeling of victory when I got rid of them. I'll grant, that occasionally they did throw grenades, albeit off target and easily avoided, but that was a pleasant surprise....though that feature appeared in FPS games over 5 years ago now.

I was playing on Heroic- I tried Legendary, but it was just bullshit. I want to enjoy myself rather than die ad nauseam just to pass one stupid bit. There was no fear, just frustration at having to repeat the same bit again.

Maybe it's just me being used to using PC for games, but as for the alien weapons being hard to aim, well, if the only way you can hit something is by going berzerk, then what good is it when the weapons overheat in two seconds? (Plasma rifle) The pistol was the most useful weapon. Assault rifle was generic and nothing special. The shotgun I found very effective, but again generic. I think if they were going to have generic weapons, there should have been more of them- for example, heavy machine gun (as featured on the jeep), or even modifications of the other weapons, eg. machine pistol or assault shotgun.

The earth was involved because it was a galactic war against the religious zealot covenant...or something. See, i'm not to clear about the story, because frankly, what little I was told in the game didn't hold my interest.

I didn't find the vehicles useful apart from saving me 20 mins of walking. The alien jet thing was cool, and the most fun I had with the game was playing co-op in a level with a massive trench and a few jet launchpads trying to shoot eachother down.

I'm fine with killing the same thing- If the same thing can give me a feeling of accomplishment when I kill it, can hunt me down or pull nasty tricks. In halo, even the big blue things were just another alien and didnt give me any feeling of victory when I got rid of them. I'll grant, that occasionally they did throw grenades, albeit off target and easily avoided, but that was a pleasant surprise....though that feature appeared in FPS games over 5 years ago now.

At this point I'm just going to stop hijacking this thread. Neither of us is going stop and say "You're right" You desire to kill with variety and have a constant fear of death. I want an ingaging storyline even if other elements suffer (none did in my opinion) and weapons that take some skill to use. (The plasma weapons for instance.)

If you take this as an insult then I'm sorry, it's not ment to be. This is just the observations I've made during this conversation. You are welcome to your opinion and I will stay with mine.

I would call myself an experienced Gamer....been playing computer games since I was three years old (a Dragon 32) and I'm now 26.
IMHO the differences between the PS2 and the Xbox are as follows :
The Xbox on a technical level is without question far superior to the PS2 - the hardware is more advanced and as we all know based on PC Architecture. When it comes to TECHNICAL specs the Xbox is a hands down winner.

The DVD playback on the XBOX is also superior having scored 4/5 in What Hi-Fi magazine on it's release in comparisons to PS2's 2/5 score (and owning both consoles I can see XBOX is smoother with playback)

HOWEVER, as yet I do not think we have seen anything that even comes close to pushing the Xbox's capabilities, sure there are some good games out there for it but nothing to compare to the Huge and diverse collection of PS2 games.

Where the PS2 wins is in games, it has more and they are better. This will of course change as more and more developers start taking advantage of the XBOX and the ability to easily port games from the PC.

The PS2 is also a gaming icon, It is the console of stoners, of friends who get drunk and have drunken Soul Calibur tournaments it's the console for people who want to drive around a huge city stealing cars, running people over and causing mayhem.

What the PS2 has right now which the XBox doesn't is culture, history and a place in the halls of gamer fame.

Now the PSX is a piece of shit, it's a PS2 with a hard drive and a DVD recorder.....nothing more....might as well buy a Tivoli.

PS3 will be something special....but as will Xbox2 - and given they will be release around the same time, I think in the next couple of years we will see a new dominant games platform - the Xbox.....I see a time hen Xbox and PC gamers will be playing the same games online...and PS folks will be left in a void.

because both next gen consoles are getting released around the same time, the war will be different. I think one of the primary reasons the PS2 currently has more support than Xbox is because it was released a couple of years beforehand and managed to establish market superiority first - this will change.

So in conclusion to this unfeasibly long post (I'm in work and REEEEAHELLY bored) The PS2 is the current king, but theres a war a coming, and I don't fancy the kings chances.

I started off with a PS2, brilliant console, it really is. I wanted to experience the cartoon level of gaming, so I then bought a Gamecube. It's good but not up to scratch. Recently I have bought and XBox. Now there's a console and a half.

The speed, the graphics and the churning of good games make it the top dog in gaming in my opinion. I bought Halo to start with - now that's one unbelievable game. Then I recently bought Morrowind... arrghh it's fantastic! Next I'm going to buy Star Wars Knights of the Old republic, then I'll get Counter Strike, then I'll buy Theif, then that new cool Ninja game, I think then I'll get RLH...

Point proven. I think so.

Rahlise I agree with what you're saying, but I think the war has already begun. I wanted an Xbox for some time, so I was monitoring the games that were being released. Recently I bought one, and I've noticed that there's good game after good game being churned out. I spoke to my local store/shop owner and he said an huge amount of people were trading their PS2s in for Xbox's.

The war has already begun, and I know PS2 won't go down without a fight - but Xbox weild the sword.

Not Really Pixies,

Morrowwind is a pile of monkey shit - nothing compared to UO, ShadowBane on PC - and whilst there are no good RPG's on the PS2 - Morrowwind is a poor excuse for a game.

Sure the Xbox does have some great games and it will eventually surpass the PS2 - but today, this minute - there is nothing the Xbox has (game wise) that the PS2 doesn't. However, I say again, this will change as more developers get on board with the Xbox -

the real war will be between PS3 and Xbox2. and I think XBOX2 will win hands down.

At this point I'm just going to stop hijacking this thread. Neither of us is going stop and say "You're right" You desire to kill with variety and have a constant fear of death. I want an ingaging storyline even if other elements suffer (none did in my opinion) and weapons that take some skill to use. (The plasma weapons for instance.)

If you take this as an insult then I'm sorry, it's not ment to be. This is just the observations I've made during this conversation. You are welcome to your opinion and I will stay with mine.

Heh, no, i'm not insulted, it's fine. It's just when Halo came out, I was spoilt with games that took FPS to new levels and gave me fear AND an engaging story- EG. System Shock 2 (mixed with RPG elements, but I like that). Half-Life and Aliens vs Predator had storylines that sucked, but I was compelled to finish them because there was a feeling of suspense. Deus Ex deserves a mention- while it didn't scare me, it had a brilliant story and you could still play it like an FPS if you wanted. I'll admit I sucked at Halo- Give me mouselook over a gamepad any day. I can flick-shoot with the best of 'em in any PC FPS using a mouse...but gimme a gamepad to watch me shoot like a crack addict suffering withdrawal. I just don't think console and FPS mix well.

On the other hand, after playing through Grand Theft Auto 1 and 2 on PC and trying out GTA3 on PC and Xbox, I enjoyed the Xbox version a lot more. Both systems are suited for a different type of game, but because I like strategy games in particular, I'll stick with my PC.

Not Really Pixies,

Morrowwind is a pile of monkey shit - nothing compared to UO, ShadowBane on PC - and whilst there are no good RPG's on the PS2 - Morrowwind is a poor excuse for a game.

Sure the Xbox does have some great games and it will eventually surpass the PS2 - but today, this minute - there is nothing the Xbox has (game wise) that the PS2 doesn't. However, I say again, this will change as more developers get on board with the Xbox -

the real war will be between PS3 and Xbox2. and I think XBOX2 will win hands down.

If you're going to insult the game at least get the name right. RPGs are the hardest game to agree on IMHO because everyone has their own style of how they want to play the game and how they want the game to react.

Now I hate being the one pointing this out but Have you ever played morrowind? I don't mean sitting down and playing for a-few hours and putting it down and I certianly don't mean a couple hours spread out over several days. And this is the part of the argument where I start joining the PC lovers (other than the strategy bit because consoles basically cannot have strategy games on them, they never turn out well) Morrowind is an excellent game if you like its style. And if you don't like its style they have added the most powerful editor you can get and the host of mods available is staggering. The total conversion mods alone are amazing. (Total Conversion, gets rid of the main game and sets you down in a completely(maybe) new one using the same hardware) The xbox version is still an excellent game with hundreds of hours of things to do and it is pretty gratifing to hear someone wondering if it's really me. You have to sit down and play enduring all the low level bull to truely enjoy the game, or if you have a computer version you can just mod the hell out of the game.

Then again some people don't like that style.

Cornixpes II (I think I got that right) I wouldn't get CS. I own it and fun as it is if it hadn't been only like $24 I wouldn't buy it. Meh, if you attend Lan parties (a lot) or have Xbox Live then get it by all means but otherwise I wouldn't bother.

[QUOTE=Sydenia]People who like, say... RPG's a lot would be much better with the PS2.

i have a ps2 and a gamecube and i have the same opinion as the person who posted this thread, xbox does not compare to ps2, but "people who like RPG's should stick to ps2". This is totally not true. there are hardly any games on ps2 that are of the RPG genre. if u like RPG's, the best console for you is the gamecube. The gamecube is the home of RPG's. it is the console with the most RPG's. so people who like RPG's, go and buy a gamecube.

I've played a lot of PS2 because my roommate, brother and basically most people I know, own it. While it has it's good share of games, like most systems, I'd take the Xbox over it anyday. It gets the majority of the high-profile games the PS2 gets(Which would probably account for several of your favorite PS2 games), as well as the exclusive ones.

Some games I'd get if I had one.

Halo(although I have it for PC)
KOTOR
Shenmue II(Loved the first one)
Morrowind (Plus it's real cheap now)

and probably a few others.

Also, if you're an action fan, Xbox is the console for you. Ninja Gaiden, best version of Splinter Cell by far. Crimson Skies(if you like flying games)


Get's the high-profile PC games too like Doom 3 and Half-Life too.

Online gamer, best console for that. Xbox Live is much better than what Sony has.

Upcoming games like Halo 2, Fable, BC, et cetera. I'd buy an Xbox before I'd get a PS2. The only upcoming games for PS2 that interest me are maybe the next Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts 2.


Oh well, I'm a Gamecube man myself. Big ups to Metroid Prime. I pity you all.

If you're going to insult the game at least get the name right. RPGs are the hardest game to agree on IMHO because everyone has their own style of how they want to play the game and how they want the game to react.

Now I hate being the one pointing this out but Have you ever played morrowind? I don't mean sitting down and playing for a-few hours and putting it down and I certianly don't mean a couple hours spread out over several days. And this is the part of the argument where I start joining the PC lovers (other than the strategy bit because consoles basically cannot have strategy games on them, they never turn out well) Morrowind is an excellent game if you like its style. And if you don't like its style they have added the most powerful editor you can get and the host of mods available is staggering. The total conversion mods alone are amazing. (Total Conversion, gets rid of the main game and sets you down in a completely(maybe) new one using the same hardware) The xbox version is still an excellent game with hundreds of hours of things to do and it is pretty gratifing to hear someone wondering if it's really me. You have to sit down and play enduring all the low level bull to truely enjoy the game, or if you have a computer version you can just mod the hell out of the game.

Then again some people don't like that style.

Cornixpes II (I think I got that right) I wouldn't get CS. I own it and fun as it is if it hadn't been only like $24 I wouldn't buy it. Meh, if you attend Lan parties (a lot) or have Xbox Live then get it by all means but otherwise I wouldn't bother.

The problem with Morrowwind is its boring. HEre we have a perfect example how tooo much nonlinearity makes the game un-engaging. There is virtually no main storyline that you follow. Some people might like that but what I'm thinking is...

"Why am I doing this.... I'm just wandering around doing stuff for people. Why can't I just settle down and say goodbye to adventuring or something..."

Now thats why a storyline is essential in RPGs... and what's more it becomes all the more interesting if your charecter turns out to be very important and not just random person who just happens to do stuff...

That's what made KOTOR so addictive (PC!!!!) and the Baldur's Gate Series (PC only... PC only)...

What most RPGs I've played seem to lack is a storyline that will make you go on because it is impossible to stop... because there is some force that is out to kill you or something. It gives you some sense of urgency... it gives you a sense of importance and most of all it gives you hours of hours of playing.

Personally I think that the PS2 wins the game war. But a few extra thoughts...

The X-Box controller. How can I play these games when the input device is such a pile of poo? It actually hurts my hand if I use it for long...

This X-Box Live that people keep going on about-don't you have to pay for that? I can't see how its so much better than the PS2's free service.

And I know its nothing like the other 2 (2? Is that right?) but Amerigo, there's a Baldur's Gate game out on PS2.

XBox, PS2, and GC are all meant to be "on the same level," but unfortunately, when it comes to being actually played and used, XBox can't touch PS2 and GC merely because more people are comfortable playing older, established, manufacturers than new, Microsoft-attempted, ones.

My opinion: X-Box doesn't have that many good games, but is way better made than PS2. PS2 has awsome games. (on top of the ones made for both systems) PS2 also has those awsome classic games from back in the day, like Worms Armageddon.

I own a PS2 but I am going to buy an X-Box. I cannot wait for Halo 2 even though I will surely fail fall quarter because of it.

If you only want to get X-Box because of Halo, why not just get Halo for Computer?

And I know its nothing like the other 2 (2? Is that right?) but Amerigo, there's a Baldur's Gate game out on PS2.

Well that game out is horrific compared to the BG series onm PC. It's not even made by Bioware. It's nothing more than a hack and slash.

Okay, I really would like to get to the bottom of this...can someone please explain to me how it is that XBox is even close to being on the same level as PS2? I don't know a lot about it, so could someone please post a list of some of the best XBox games and explain why they are so good? (The goodness of a console is determined by the games made for it and nothing else so don't talk about XBox being more powerful...). Anway, please, I've never seen a list of excellent XBox games and as far as I know, the only good one is Halo. I just want to get to the bottom of this mystery.

There really is nothing more sad than console wars. People should just shut up and buy all three, if it really bothers them that much. Or just shut up.

Buy whichever suits you. Different strokes for different folks.