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Do you think Jesus would want us to focus more on his teachings or his death for our sins? This is open to anyone of other faiths too...

His teachings, of course. It's not like he intended and planned his own death out so that he could later use it to gain new followers.

He might say, "do as I say, not as I do." Especially with regards to the crucifiction, yo.

Do you think Jesus would want us to focus more on his teachings or his death for our sins? This is open to anyone of other faiths too...


I think he'd probably despair at his followers and convert to Islam or something...

I think he'd probably despair at his followers and convert to Islam or something...

Er, I doubt he'd go Islam. Perhaps Buddhism...

I'm waiting for him to come back and whomp all the Christian radicals.

He predicted His death, He was sent to die for our sins.

Er, I doubt he'd go Islam. Perhaps Buddhism...


Why not? Christianity bears far more relation to Islam that Buddhism. For a start, he's already a Prophet in Islam. Also, Islam is a definite religion whereas Buddhism is more shaky, and Islam follows the same cultural mould of monotheism, moral guidance etc. Of course, it's worth baring in mind that Jesus wasn't (isn't) a Christian anyway, so he'd probably convert to Christianity. Though that might be rather arrogant. But if he didn't, it would be a great advertisement for Christianity.

He predicted His death, He was sent to die for our sins.

He was also sent to teach us love and compassion and that was the whole of his life's work. He spent a lot more time talking about that than he did forecasting his own demise.

I'm waiting for him to come back and whomp all the Christian radicals.

Hah...That'd be something to see.

Imagine Jesus walking into Salt Lake City and asking "What the f*ck were you smoking?!?"

It is Salt Lake City, isn't it? The one with all the mormons?
I'm English, so I can just guess...

Well the Mormons dont really follow the Bible they follow some of the teachings of Joseph Smith.

he would want my body.

he would want my body.

What?

he would want my body.

To say nothing of your soul.

just interjecting some levity. also messing around because i am way tired of religion threads.

To say nothing of your soul.

nah, devil already has that.

Jesus would want to know why us Red Sox fans won't give up and stop bothering him... and Johny Daemon's autograph...

Jesus would want to know why us Red Sox fans won't give up and stop bothering him... and Johny Daemon's autograph...
I have a ton of Damon's autographs when he played for the Royals my friends parent's vet clinic took care of his dogs.

Do you think Jesus would want us to focus more on his teachings or his death for our sins? This is open to anyone of other faiths too...

Jesus just wants a toke on your bong, maybe a few munchies, and a conversation about whether various celebrities wear boxers or y-fronts.

Well the Mormons dont really follow the Bible they follow some of the teachings of Joseph Smith.

Yeah, I know. But Mormon...uh...Mormon-ness is a religion based (Vaugely) upon christianity. Sort of.

I think jesus would of wanted it up the ass.

i swear he's gay i mean he never told us about some hot chick or anything, i mean if i were jesus i would have walked around with some babes and then i'd get repect and people would listen to me.

man, what would jesus do..













..for a klondike bar...

Wasn't jesus a jew?

o.O

Uh, well, I'm a Jew. But here's what I think. I don't think Jesus meant to start a whole new religion with his teachings. And lord knows he's probably going "damn, damn, damn.." My hypothesis, from the examination of New Testament scripture is that he was looking for a way to reform classical Judaism from the corrupted, non-people centred form in which it existed. Jesus was a teacher of Rabbinic Judaism. He was a man of great wisdom, and he, I believe, would want us to focus on our relationship with all other humans rather than just what only his teachings say. Bottom line: I'm a reform Jew, and I believe that reform Judaism is probably what he had in mind. One thing's for sure, though. He was a very humble man, and would definately feel more at home in a synogogue than a church. Shalom, all.

I beleive Jesus Christ would want us to focus on his teachings more than his death. We should however be thankful that he died for us but his teachings are more important. The new testement speaks of the end times of which we are surely in for everything he spoke of is coming into being. I am not Catholic and many people hate Christianity because of what the catholics did and still do. I am not catholic for the following reasons.

1. They change the bible, and of course this isnt in theirs but it is in the King James and other translations, that whoever shall cross the line on a t or the dot of an i shall burn in hell for eternity. The Catholic church has written entirely new chapters and verses that were never written or spoken of. They change it to fit their needs. Also the fact that a preist can not marry? Would God want this? and he must not because if he did these men would not have to resort to the molestation of young children. which leads me to say. Are preists truely men of God? How can we hear their teachings when they are gay or molest children? In the bible itself it says that homosexuality is an abomination(sp) against God, yet people go their to hear from these men? It makes me sick.

In the bible itself it says that homosexuality is an abomination(sp) against God, yet people go their to hear from these men? It makes me sick.

Other things the Bible calls an abomination:
Shellfish (Leviticus 11:10)
Ants (Leviticus 11:20)
women wearing pants (Deuteronomy 22:5)
Getting remarried after divorce (Deuteronomy 24:4)


Unless you can follow the entire Law, do not rely on it for salvation. (Romans 4:16)

>In the bible itself it says that homosexuality is an abomination(sp) against God,
>yet people go their to hear from these men? It makes me sick.

Other things the Bible calls an abomination:
Shellfish (Leviticus 11:10)
Ants (Leviticus 11:20)
women wearing pants (Deuteronomy 22:5)
Getting remarried after divorce (Deuteronomy 24:4)


Unless you can follow the entire Law, do not rely on it for
salvation. (Romans 4:16)
you forgot planting two different crops in the same field and clothes of mixed fabric

His teachings, of course. It's not like he intended and planned his own death out so that he could later use it to gain new followers.

He might say, "do as I say, not as I do." Especially with regards to the crucifiction, yo.

*cough*
Uh, yeah, He kinda did intend to die. He didn't want to, but He had planned it a loooooooong time ago.

As to why: no, it wasn't really to gain followers. It was to release us for out sin. But still, it was planned and intended and all that.

I think that you really can't focus on one or the other...You need both.

Without the teachings, your sin is forgiven, but you don't get any closer to God. Without Jesus' death, you can't get any closer to God because sin is separating you.

>In the bible itself it says that homosexuality is an abomination(sp) against God,
>yet people go their to hear from these men? It makes me sick.

Other things the Bible calls an abomination:
Shellfish (Leviticus 11:10)
Ants (Leviticus 11:20)
women wearing pants (Deuteronomy 22:5)
Getting remarried after divorce (Deuteronomy 24:4)


Unless you can follow the entire Law, do not rely on it for
salvation. (Romans 4:16)

First off, Jesus released us from that law.

You also have to understand what was going on at the time. At that point, Jesus hadn't died yet, so their sins didn't go away. They sacrificed the lambs to cover it up, but it didn't go away. God was trying to keep them as clean and as pure as possible.
You also have to realize that we believe that God made everything, so what he says goes. If he says that planting two crops in the same field is bad, well, it's his crops and it's his field, so who are we to say no?


About the gay thing:
What with translation issues, interpretation issues, stuff like that, it's hard to tell if the Bible says conclusively that homosexuality is acceptable or wrong.

I did, however, find one verse that's does a pretty good job. I can't remember where it is, and I'll find it as soon as I can, but it said "Do not lay with a man as with a woman, for that is a detestable sin."

Another note, being gay is a choice. People say that it's not a choice, because it might be genetic. Whether or not it is, it's still a choice to be gay. You may not have a choice to have gay feelings, but you don't have to act apon them. Just like sin: everyone is tempted with sin. But, you don't have to sin, and you don't have to sin to be happy.

a couple of things....
jesus didnt write the bible....his publicists did....so how do we know he even said any of that stuff


religons for sucka's in my opinion

but he did say marriage was between a man and a woman. you could say then that he specifically just wants men and women to get married.

but that's just marraige. outside of marraige, there's no sin in doing anyone you want. provided, of course, they aren't married

:fluffle: :mp5:

First off, Jesus released us from that law.

That was part of what I was trying to say. That's why I included the pointer to the passage in Romans.

The covenant at Sinai stated that if you follow every single bit of the Law you could be saved. Any transgression, no matter how small, and you were toast. This was to show us what sin is and show us that we cannot overcome it alone. We NEED Grace.

So we cannot condemn someone because they are gay unless we can say we have followed every single aspect of the Law to the letter. (Have you given your offerings to the priests at the Temple in Jerusalem lately?) Only God gets the priviledge of deciding to who call righteous. The rest of us just have to love and support.

Are homosexual acts a sin? If I'm honest I have to say they are. I'd love to be able to site scripture that says otherwise. Does that make homosexuals filthy or unworthy? No more than I or any other human is. We all sin. It is inescapable. All that we can do is accept forgiveness and love our neighbors.

He was just a carpenter , jeez

That was part of what I was trying to say. That's why I included the pointer to the passage in Romans.

The covenant at Sinai stated that if you follow every single bit of the Law you could be saved. Any transgression, no matter how small, and you were toast. This was to show us what sin is and show us that we cannot overcome it alone. We NEED Grace.

So we cannot condemn someone because they are gay unless we can say we have followed every single aspect of the Law to the letter. (Have you given your offerings to the priests at the Temple in Jerusalem lately?) Only God gets the priviledge of deciding to who call righteous. The rest of us just have to love and support.

Are homosexual acts a sin? If I'm honest I have to say they are. I'd love to be able to site scripture that says otherwise. Does that make homosexuals filthy or unworthy? No more than I or any other human is. We all sin. It is inescapable. All that we can do is accept forgiveness and love our neighbors.

I never said that gays are filthy and untrustworthy. I have a gay friend, and a bi friend. But, their homosexuality does condemn them, though no more or less than any other sin. On that note, I do not condemn them, but only recognize that they are condemned, unless they are Christians.

but he did say marriage was between a man and a woman. you could say then that he specifically just wants men and women to get married.

but that's just marraige. outside of marraige, there's no sin in doing anyone you want. provided, of course, they aren't married

:fluffle: :mp5:

Excuse me? Uh, no...The Bible does specifically say that any sex outside of marriage is wrong. Actually, it says that any lustful thoughts about anyone you're not married to is wrong. Not being married does not release you to do whatever and whomever you wish. I can find several verses to back me up, and I'd like to see where you got that idea.

I have always heard something about that gays will go to hell, and I have also heard that it is not true.I believe it is not true.They do not deserve to go to hell just because they are homosexuel{sp?}

I never said that gays are filthy and untrustworthy. I have a gay friend, and a bi friend. But, their homosexuality does condemn them, though no more or less than any other sin. On that note, I do not condemn them, but only recognize that they are condemned, unless they are Christians.


Wow, you can't beat good old Christian intolerance. They must really love you as a friend, especially when you condemn them to hell ;)

Do you think Jesus would want us to focus more on his teachings or his death for our sins? This is open to anyone of other faiths too...

I asked him and he says he wants us to focus on the time he and Elanzo went to Dallas to hook up with Pablo and his crew because it was the first time he tried cocaine.

Guys what Jesus would want is for non muslims to kill muslims because they are all Evil....yet i am evil because i am the Anti-Christ but that is besides the point.I shall rule the world and put all the muslims in conetration camps like Hitler...im prolly gonna get kicked out of nationstate for this but owell im sure theirs other way i can get ppl to follow me...weaklings ur all like sheep. :) :sniper:

I think Jesus would beseech all Christians to please stop being Christians. Making a deity out of someone is a lousy thing to inflict on them.

I think jesus would be kinda peeved that his teachings have become so commerical (WWJD? he wouldn't try to turn a profit off his teachings remeber the whole money changes in the temple, kinda the same thing)

but of course if you believe in him he would prob. forgive you......

[note: I am not a christian, i find all organized reglion to be hypocritical and corrupt hence i simple read my bible in my own home and use the 10% that religons ask for to better improve my life and my familys]

just for the facts jesus couldn't convert to the islam because the islam wasn't their wenn he died so he couldn't secondly wenn jesus died ppl didn't knew that there were ppl on the other side of the world with diffrent believes then themselves! so he could only become a jew again! and why a discussion bout religion wenn it all begins with almost the same fundemental rules! only thing what seperates jew, christians and muslims is that the don't like each other because they all think their god is the best. it's just stupid to hate a humanbein because he thinks diffrent than u! So stop discussion bout religion because it will only causes trouble. think about it wot do u think about jews christians muslims homosexuals and other ppl that think diffrent then ur self!

for that matter he couldn't have been christian, he was born a jew and died a jew.....

Mormons are fools :sniper: :headbang: :mad: it is impossible that joseph smith was blessed by john the baptist, who was alive hundreds of years before even joseph smiths great great great grandparents were born.

"Excuse me? Uh, no...The Bible does specifically say that any sex outside of marriage is wrong. Actually, it says that any lustful thoughts about anyone you're not married to is wrong. Not being married does not release you to do whatever and whomever you wish. I can find several verses to back me up, and I'd like to see where you got that idea."

Removing the Old Testament from the equation, and taking Paul's letters as the human created doctrine they were .... sure, show me.

What defines sin anyways? Well, you've got the laws Jesus put down and that's about it. Could Paul create laws? No. Did Jesus ever place a stamp of approval on what Paul said? No. I think Timothy might have, once, but I forget. "Everything that is written in the Gospels is correct -- the Gospels".

But Christianity is an 'alive' religion supposedly so I suppose if an angel came and visited you in your sleep and told you that driving on the left hand side of the road was a sin, then it would be, as revealed to you. So maybe, for you, sex outside of marraige is a sin.

I and my fellow believers feel that concentrating on the death and atonement is a cop out. We get a free pass to heaven by saying certain words about what we believe, that's what it seems like.

The teachings show a strong ethical path for us to follow. Those who do so will have focus, discipline, generosity, vision, and confidence. They will live for each day, and not for fear or promises of hereafter.

Those who do not will jealously guard the privileges and sacraments of the institutions they control.

ey, why do you think you know what jesus wants?
stop interpreting what you're reading, just read your bible and do what's written in it.
and who started this rubbish about women shall not wear pants?
if i remember good old bible, it says, women shall not wear men's cloths, so, who of you is going to buy her pants in a shop for men clothing??? actually, i don't because i can't wear this masculine cut, they are just too tight around my hips ;-)

2 Corinthians 11:14
“No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.”

Luke 5:20-25 “Seeing their faith, He said, ‘Friend, your sins are forgiven you.’ The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, ‘Who is this man who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?’ But Jesus, aware of their reasonings, answered and said to them, "Why are you reasoning in your hearts? ‘Which is easier, to say, 'Your sins have been forgiven you,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'? ‘But, so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins,’--He said to the paralytic—‘I say to you, get up, and pick up your stretcher and go home.’ Immediately he got up before them, and picked up what he had been lying on, and went home glorifying God.”

Psalm 51
1 Be gracious to me, O God, according to Your lovingkindness;
According to the greatness of Your compassion blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity
And cleanse me from my sin.
3 For I know my transgressions,
And my sin is ever before me.
4 Against You, You only, I have sinned
And done what is evil in Your sight,
So that You [1] are justified when You speak
And blameless when You judge.
5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me.
6 Behold, You desire truth in the innermost being,
And in the hidden part You will make me know wisdom.
7 Purify me with hyssop, and I shall be clean;
Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
8 Make me to hear joy and gladness,
Let the bones which You have broken rejoice.
9 Hide Your face from my sins
And blot out all my iniquities.
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God,
And renew a steadfast spirit within me.
11 Do not cast me away from Your presence
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
12 Restore to me the joy of Your salvation
And sustain me with a willing spirit.
13 Then I will teach transgressors Your ways,
And sinners will [2] be converted to You.
14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, the God of my salvation;
Then my tongue will joyfully sing of Your righteousness.
15 O Lord, open my lips,
That my mouth may declare Your praise.
16 For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it;
You are not pleased with burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.
18 By Your favor do good to Zion;
Build the walls of Jerusalem.
19 Then You will delight in righteous sacrifices,
In burnt offering and whole burnt offering;
Then young bulls will be offered on Your altar.

Footnotes

1. Or may be in the right
2. Or turn back


C.S. Lewis "I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: 'I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God.' That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic--on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg--or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a madman or something worse. you can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."

Other things the Bible calls an abomination:
Shellfish (Leviticus 11:10)
Ants (Leviticus 11:20)
women wearing pants (Deuteronomy 22:5)
Getting remarried after divorce (Deuteronomy 24:4)


Unless you can follow the entire Law, do not rely on it for salvation. (Romans 4:16)

is deuteronomy a book of prophecy? pants werent even invented until a couple thousand years later.

Wasnt the 51st Psalm the Psalm were David asks for forgiveness after his affair with Bathseba(sp?). But I think the lusting scripture is in Matthew.

is deuteronomy a book of prophecy? pants werent even invented until a couple thousand years later.

Well Dueteronomy contains the Ten Commmandments, it's basically a book of laws.

I dont think Islam is the religion for jesus. Islam basically states convert to our peaceful religion or die while christian says convert to our religion or in hell u fry. choices choices

Other things the Bible calls an abomination:
Shellfish (Leviticus 11:10)
Ants (Leviticus 11:20)
women wearing pants (Deuteronomy 22:5)
Getting remarried after divorce (Deuteronomy 24:4)


Unless you can follow the entire Law, do not rely on it for salvation. (Romans 4:16)

Don't you people see? Are you that blind? Ants are an abomination! They're small, but have six legs! One isn't scary, but one you get fifty of them all crawling around in the same area and you realize that they could eat you up slowly, you ask yourself why God would create such creatures....

EDIT: for grammar (there, their, and they're)

Don't you people see? Are you that blind? Ants are an abomination! They're small, but have six legs! One isn't scary, but one you get fifty of them all crawling around in the same area and you realize that they could eat you up slowly, you ask yourself why God would create such creatures....

EDIT: for grammar (there, their, and they're)

God created ants for a parrable on how to live life, can't remember the scripture.

I dont think Islam is the religion for jesus. Islam basically states convert to our peaceful religion or die while christian says convert to our religion or in hell u fry. choices choices

islam is an evil religion which tolerates no other religeon and encourages the rape and murder of non believers it is also perverse the prophet mohamed married a six year old child and had sex with her when she reached nine

Wow, you can't beat good old Christian intolerance. They must really love you as a friend, especially when you condemn them to hell ;)

Dude...
I do not condemn them, but only recognize that they are condemned, unless they are Christians.

And actually, my bi friend is a Christian.

islam is an evil religion which tolerates no other religeon and encourages the rape and murder of non believers it is also perverse the prophet mohamed married a six year old child and had sex with her when she reached nine

Really? Wow...BTW, you'd better start runnin' now 'fore they declare a $million reward for your head ;).

Almost any religion says that you fry in some sort of hell if you don't convert. Islam is no different. The difference with Islam is that they're "allowed" to put you there.

ey, why do you think you know what jesus wants?
stop interpreting what you're reading, just read your bible and do what's written in it.
and who started this rubbish about women shall not wear pants?
if i remember good old bible, it says, women shall not wear men's cloths, so, who of you is going to buy her pants in a shop for men clothing??? actually, i don't because i can't wear this masculine cut, they are just too tight around my hips ;-)

See, the problem is, you can't just do it if you don't know what "it" is. The Bible isn't just a set of commands, it's a definition of those commands, and what they're for, and why you do them.

ey, why do you think you know what jesus wants?
stop interpreting what you're reading, just read your bible and do what's written in it.
and who started this rubbish about women shall not wear pants?
if i remember good old bible, it says, women shall not wear men's cloths, so, who of you is going to buy her pants in a shop for men clothing??? actually, i don't because i can't wear this masculine cut, they are just too tight around my hips ;-)

Hellooo. Me <----- doesn't wear pants (and is a girl). But it's not my choice, it's really my parents, but I have to respect their wishes while I live in their house. Hey, God convicts different people of different things. Just because YOU believe it's ok for girls to wear pants, doesn't mean that it's not wrong for some people. People have different interpretations of the Bible, because people themselves are different. It's there to be interpreted, and for us to apply it to our lives. Granted some weird people go overboard and take things out of context (and they irk me to no end), but God can convict people of different things.

EDIT: Oh, hey, I mean convicted to change your ways/heart by God, not like arrested. Just to clarify.

Ok, I see a couple of strange posts up here, that are really weirding me out, and I think it's because people are focusing on Old Testament law.
The New Testament was created. The old laws "an eye for an eye", and such that the Isrealites were given, are invalid since Jesus came and started his preachingness. He preached forgiveness rather than revenge. There was no Jesus/salvation before Jesus and his death and resurrection. So there had to be a maintaining of faith before Jesus, and that's what the LAW was for. Now the Old Testament laws are invalid (to Christians) because of the New Testament and its teachings.

hey man it total bs that the islam encourages rape and murder! ppl hiding behind religion say so! big diffrence! People that hide behind a religion to give them a reason for violence and hate r stupid because muslims christians and jew r the same!! they r humanbeings and they should act like them!!!

better start a discussion if we r civilised or not!!

islam is an evil religion which tolerates no other religeon and encourages the rape and murder of non believers it is also perverse the prophet mohamed married a six year old child and had sex with her when she reached nine

Ignorance & Stupidity: 1
Intellegence and Sense: 0

His teachings, of course. It's not like he intended and planned his own death out so that he could later use it to gain new followers.

He might say, "do as I say, not as I do." Especially with regards to the crucifiction, yo.

Well, yeah, his death was meant to happen.

Well the Mormons dont really follow the Bible they follow some of the teachings of Joseph Smith.

The Mormons are also very self-contradicting. For instance:

They believe that humans can become gods. But this contradicts what the Bible says, and what the Book of Mormon says, too! Example:

Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. (Alma 11:28-29)

:confused:

Jesus' death and his teachings go hand in hand. Without one, there is no point in having the other.

i think some ppl here suffer from pseudo logica fantastica!!

I think he wants three square meals a day for a start

Jesus didn't want people 2000 years after he lived to do anything. Hell, he didn't even expect it. All he was was some dude who thought it would be a good idea to be nice to people for a change, and then he got nailed to a tree because the Romans thought he was a trouble maker. He was just a radical of his time.

Oh, and about the Mormons. So, some guy called Joseph Smith has some dream from God telling him to find this gold plated book, but only he can look at it. And so he "finds" this book and goes behind a curtain and "reads" the book to his wife so that she can "transcribe" it into the Book of Mormon. And then God tells him that he can have more than one wife.
You gotta give the guy a pat on the back :D

St.Niels: some people here are really suffering from very bad diseases... maybe one of it is called religion?

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Religion is Opium for the People... but some Opium is never BAD

why r diseases if there was a god?? why would he allow a war were women and children are murderd because they r diffrent! i think their is no god! i think that religion in it self if very hipocritical for thinkin they r the best!! fine everybody may believe his own thing but don't come up with a discussion bout wot would jesus want!! jesus is dead for over 2000 years! he doesn't want anythin! well he wants 1 thing wot all ppl want and that is peace well how can their be peace if ppl fight in gods name is totally stupid! every prophet/messiah told bout world peace!! and love all people!! so don't be a bitch and don't start about muslims r bad or jews or christians or budist! some ppl r bad but it seems that the actions of a few condems the whole religion!

Jesus comming back:

"Hey, there's a copy of my book! Very nice, very nice...good biography so far, I'd say. Heh, that time Me and Peter were chilling on the water and he fell...good times, good times. Wait, who's this Paul freak? I don't remember him being in my life. What the-more then half this thing is dedicated to HIM?! Dad dammit! No wonder all you guys are so screwed up-what is this, "I Can't Believe it's not Christianity?"

Jesus would want the current state of the world to be a practical joke someone was playing on him.

st niels: some or most of theese christians or bible-fundamentalists or whoever would answer you: god gave us our own brain. and we could use it...