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I want everyone to guess when The last war was faught on american soil and who was the enemy.

Depends . . . Are we talking about officially declared and recognized [i.e WW2], or de-facto [i.e.Vietnam]?

doesnt matter really

The "War on Drugs" is still being fought.

I am not really sure. I think it was World War II though.

Depends if you mean mainland USA. If Hawaii counts then yeah, its WWII I suppose. Otherwise...Indian Wars?

this belongs in the GENERAL forum(scrool down in the index), this forum is for roleplaying thank you..

if u r refering to pearl harbor as a war in hawaii thats wat got us into the war. that was an attack since we wernt in the war yet. Also I met mainland continantal US includes alaska

The lastw ar that was legally declared was WW2. The US Congress is the only body that can declare war. All the things done in South America, Iraq, Afganistan, Vietnam, etc were just us moving troops around.

On US soil . . . officially the Civil War, although it might also technically be the Mexican-American war, I don't remember the dates all that well. That's a technicallty because YOU CANNOT DISPUTE THE BORDER IF THE BORDER IS A RIVER!!! And that was the whole reason for that war. . . that and President Polk was basically all about grabbing territory . . . *mutters*

Unofficially . . . unofficially the "War on Terror"

im not moving it!!!!!

1 word wrong. It was WWII in alaska by the japanese

What did the Japanese do in Alaska?

WWII with the Japanese landing at Alaska and the surprise attack at Pearl Harbor.

1 word wrong. It was WWII in alaska by the japanese

That was what I was going to say. A couple of the Alutians were taken by the Japanese.....

War of 1812?

*sigh* i don't think you get this place.

this forum is for role playing, this thread is something that belongs in the GENERAL section of this site, scroll down a bit from "Sound and Fury" and you should find it.

im not moving it!!!!!


I am.

I am.

rawr, go melkor :p

I want everyone to guess when The last war was faught on american soil and who was the enemy.

The Civil War, and the Confederates were the enemy (or if you are a Confederate supporter you could say the Union was the enemy), though since its was a civil war you could say we were at war with ourselves.

The Civil War, and the Confederates were the enemy (or if you are a Confederate supporter you could say the Union was the enemy), though since its was a civil war you could say we were at war with ourselves.
Even if you count the Civil War, the Japanese attacked us and took some of the Allutian Islands AFTER Pearl Harbor, after we were already at war with them, as a diversion from the Battle at Midway. It didn't work.

1 word wrong. It was WWII in alaska by the japanese

Well, you could say that, but it wasn't really American Home soil. Alaska was just a territory at the time, not a state.

It depends what you mean. The only time when it was on U.S. Soil (not counting Terrirories) was the American Civil War, and the enemies were the Confederates, or "rebs". During WWII Hawaii and Alaska were U.S. Territories so it doesnt count but the japs DID invade alaska. The last time there was an attack on the U.S. was 9/11 and Al Qaeda was the enemy.

P.S. All the confederate supporters are Klu Klux Klan members and racists. And if you support the south and you dont think your racist, you are support a racist country. And racism is illegal.

It depends what you mean. The only time when it was on U.S. Soil (not counting Terrirories) was the American Civil War. During WWII Hawaii and Alaska were U.S. Territories so it doesnt count but they DID invade alaska. The last time there was an attack on the U.S. was 9/11
9/11 was a terrorist attack, not war. War = soveriegn nation vs soveriegn nation, that's why the Republicans have to have a country as their target for the "War on Terror" because "War on Terror" is a paradox. Anyway, why would Saddam harbor terrorists? Their a threat to his power...off topic...back on: US territory is US soil.

9/11 was an attack on the U.S. and really an un-conventional declaration of war against the U.S. And territory is to some degree american soil, but then Alaska and Hawaii were like Guam. A territory that really no one cares about and if invaded, while still considered an attack on the U.S., is not an invasion of U.S. Soil. Its an invasion of Guamish (or whatever Guam citizens are called) land.

and a war isnt just a declaration of war against another soveriegn Nation. Columbia is at war with the FARC but they dont have FARCland (at least not anymore. And you can declare war against a clan, like in Black Hawk down, and a clan isnt a sovering nation.

I would have to say the last war fought on american soil was during world war 2 against the Japaneese for one of the small islands of Alaska. :sniper:
a battle or war would have to be defined as one military fighting against another.

I want everyone to guess when The last war was faught on american soil and who was the enemy.

Civil War

Last war on our soil against a foreign power: Mexican-American War (I think? Please correct me if I'm wrong [but do it WITHOUT FLAMING])

For reference the two islands the Japanese took in the Aluetians were Attu and Kiska, one of which was abandoned in the face of an American counter-attack (but the Americans still took unusually high casualties taking it) and the other was somewhat bloody buy retaken by the Americans.

9/11 was an attack on the U.S. and really an un-conventional declaration of war against the U.S. And territory is to some degree american soil, but then Alaska and Hawaii were like Guam. A territory that really no one cares about and if invaded, while still considered an attack on the U.S., is not an invasion of U.S. Soil. Its an invasion of Guamish (or whatever Guam citizens are called) land.
It doesn't matter how much anyone cares about the territory. The question quite clearly is "When was the last time there was a war on US soil?" Not "When was the last time there was a war on a part of America that everyone cares about?"

The last war fought on American soil that was not a civil war, which is technically the people of the same country fighting against each other, not including the territories, yes Alaska was invaded during WW2 and Hawaii was bombed, was the war of 1812. Yes not including the two above the War of 1812 was the last time a foreign power actually invaded a part of the United States that was actually a state. And also they attacked and burnt Washington, DC the only time DC has been attacked.

The last war fought on American soil that was not a civil war, which is technically the people of the same country fighting against each other, not including the territories, yes Alaska was invaded during WW2 and Hawaii was bombed, was the war of 1812. Yes not including the two above the War of 1812 was the last time a foreign power actually invaded a part of the United States that was actually a state. And also they attacked and burnt Washington, DC the only time DC has been attacked.

Wrong, Confederate General Jubal Early led a raid into Federal territory in 1864/65 and he attacked the fortifications of Washington DC, believing only convalescent troops to be defending the capitol with the main Federal force around Petersburg. He had hoped to capture the city but Grant sent units from the veteran II Corps and when Early attacked he was driven off. I believe the battle is called either the Battle of Washington or Fort Stevens (The DC Fort he attacked). Lincoln was present for tis battle and watched it, the only American President to be at a battlesite while President.

But that wasnt a direct attack in which soldiers had attacked the city itelf. The confederates sent forces to attack it, and the civilians did panic and run away, but the battle was fought outside the city, so it wasnt technicaly an attack on the city tho, as the city itself was unscathed.

P.S. sorry for the bad typing, my laptop has a bad keyboard.

But that wasnt a direct attack in which soldiers had attacked the city itelf. The confederates sent forces to attack it, and the civilians did panic and run away, but the battle was fought outside the city, so it wasnt technicaly an attack on the city tho, as the city itself was unscathed.

P.S. sorry for the bad typing, my laptop has a bad keyboard.


The intent was to capture the city, but they were thrust away from the city by the soldiers at Fort Stevens, had the fort fell the Confederates would have definitely attacked the Washington proper, and since the fort was within the bounds of Washington, it is rightfully a battle in Washington. The Federals happened to win which means the city wasn't taken, but it still means it was attacked.

WWII, the Japanese took 3 of the Aleutian Islands. (they made the movie Wintalkers about it I think). Other than that, It was the Civil War.

WWII, the Japanese took 3 of the Aleutian Islands. (they made the movie Wintalkers about it I think). Other than that, It was the Civil War.


Only two islands, Attu and Kiska, andthe movie Windtalkers is about the invasion of Saipan, which is several thousand miles away from Alaska.

The last war fought on US Soil was the American Civil War.

The last time we were attacked but no fighting on our soil, was 11-September-2001. Before, but with the same magnitude, was the attack on Pearl Harbor by the Japanese on 07-December-1941.

Kylara

Actually, if you count the U.S. coastal waters, the Eastern coast at the Carolinas was attacked by Nazi U-Boats... If you aren't counting the water, then I'll go with what the others said.

Frankly I'm amazed none of you gents made mention of the last combat against Native Americans...roughly 1876-1885 was when the last of the Plains Indians gave their last ditch efforts to repel the white man from their sovereign nations.

Actually, if you count the U.S. coastal waters, the Eastern coast at the Carolinas was attacked by Nazi U-Boats... If you aren't counting the water, then I'll go with what the others said.

The East coast itself was not attacked. Merchant vessels off the coast were attacked, but the land itself was never attacked by the German U-Boats.

Frankly I'm amazed none of you gents made mention of the last combat against Native Americans...roughly 1876-1885 was when the last of the Plains Indians gave their last ditch efforts to repel the white man from their sovereign nations.

True, but those were more just battles here and there and not an actual war. It was sort of like civil unrest on a larger scale.

The U.S. never really considered them to have sovereign nations.

Hah, it was probably the Kootonie Indian War fo 1975. And the US lost too.

The Civil War (war between the states)?

Frankly I'm amazed none of you gents made mention of the last combat against Native Americans...roughly 1876-1885 was when the last of the Plains Indians gave their last ditch efforts to repel the white man from their sovereign nations.

Yes. Sorry. I forgot that.

Damn, and I'm part Native too. :headbang:

Kylara

True, but those were more just battles here and there and not an actual war. It was sort of like civil unrest on a larger scale.


Just battles??...The Sioux fought for 10 yrs solid..along with the Comanche, the Cheyenne, both Southern and Northern, Piute, Ute, and a host of others. My people the Cherokee had several Wars with the United States.. make no mistake...they were wars.

The U.S. never really considered them to have sovereign nations.

Sure they did..the United States signed over 500 treaties with the North American Indian tribes..not that he ever kept one but the first treaty the United States actually signed was the Treaty of New Hopewell, between the USA and the Cherokee Nation.

The War against Terrorism, Sept. 11th 2001.

US Battlegrounds include: Washington, DC; New York, NY; and Pennsylvania.

The enemy: Militant Islamic Radicals

1 word wrong. It was WWII in alaska by the japanese
Alaska and Hawaii were not States then.

The War on Drugs is still being fought on US soil.

Just battles??...The Sioux fought for 10 yrs solid..along with the Comanche, the Cheyenne, both Southern and Northern, Piute, Ute, and a host of others. My people the Cherokee had several Wars with the United States.. make no mistake...they were wars.

Very well. I meant no offense. I'm part Seneca by the way, so I sympathize with you.

Sure they did..the United States signed over 500 treaties with the North American Indian tribes..not that he ever kept one but the first treaty the United States actually signed was the Treaty of New Hopewell, between the USA and the Cherokee Nation.

Yeah. I just meant that they signed those just to appease the Indians until they broke the treaties.

The War on Drugs is still being fought on US soil.

That's not quite a real "war" persay. More of an ongoing police action.

P.S. All the confederate supporters are Klu Klux Klan members and racists. And if you support the south and you dont think your racist, you are support a racist country. And racism is illegal.

No, racism is not illegal in the United States of America.

The last war on American soil was the civil war. If that doesn't count considering we were fighting with each other, then the war of 1812.

P.S. All the confederate supporters are Klu Klux Klan members and racists. And if you support the south and you dont think your racist, you are support a racist country. And racism is illegal.

First off, racism is not illegal. If it were illegal, then Klans men wouldn't be able to have public rallys, and they still do have several rallys and protests in the southern states.

Also, just because you supported the confederates doesn't mean you're a Klansmen. Obviously you don't know much about what you're talking about.

P.S. All the confederate supporters are Klu Klux Klan members and racists. And if you support the south and you dont think your racist, you are support a racist country. And racism is illegal.

That is a very ignorant remark to make. I don't support the Confederacy, but I don't support what you said either. They are not all in the KKK or racist. The two are completely seperate. The Confederacy was not all about racism. Back then the CSA broke away for slavery and the fact that they were poor compared to the north and underdeveloped. For you you too say that all Confederate supporters are racsist and in the KKK is just stupid and wrong. That's like saying every German is a Nazi. Its just not true.

And another thing Lightning Star! The CSA itself was not a racist country. Even our beloved USA treated blacks poorly until just a few decades ago. Please think before you speak and read up on history.

I seem to recall several US candian wars, or US british empire wars,



though in as far as i can recall the canadian citizens did most of the fighting (but i'm not certain of this, any candians out thier?)


while were on little known US wars, the USA went to war with spain at one point, over a very false pretext (sinking of a US warship, which theirs resonable evidence they sank themselves). A war for territory by the US, which they won against a bankrupt and desperate to avoid a fight spain

so never let it be said the US has never fought wars of aggression.....

(though as birt, i'm definatly not going to claim we did'nt either)



edit, on the note with the idian wars alittle noticed fact is they really did'nt know what they where signiging, the conept of indian land ownership being VERY different so for thier intepretation of the treaties was very different.

Only the War of 1812. And we almost invaded Ontario. But you Brits started it because you were still mad about us gaining independence. You guys were attacking our ships for because we were friends with France during the Napoleonic Wars and since France helped us in the Revolution. But that was the only war involving U.S.-canadian hostilities really. Though it was still part of the British Empire.

true essentially a border collonail scuffle from out perspective though less so from yours.

On what started it i'll take your word for it i can't remember, though the timeing is right for a the big world fuss created by us by boarding and seise slave vessels, which iratated everyone the US included.

Actually its and interesting point of differing intentions, the US as a nation found the right of ships to precoed unsearched as sacrosant.

the british belived that the right of search was vitall to thier condiued existance as a world power.

intresting connections to todays issues thier......

Only the War of 1812. And we almost invaded Ontario. But you Brits started it because you were still mad about us gaining independence. You guys were attacking our ships for because we were friends with France during the Napoleonic Wars and since France helped us in the Revolution. But that was the only war involving U.S.-canadian hostilities really. Though it was still part of the British Empire.


We didn't almost invade it, we did, and burned York (Modern day Toronto), that is why they burned Washington, in retaliation for York. The British did not start it becuase they were mad with the US, they were seizing our ships and taking off crewmen they presumed may have been deserters from the Royal Navy (which they often were, but also were not, and it was abused). The French did the same thing (we actually had an undeclared Naval war with France during this time as well). We were not friends with Napoleonic France, we made a great land deal with them but refused to honor the Alliance we had with them. And in fact, it can be seen as US aggression, the British decided to stop impressing US seamen and a telegram boarded a ship bound for the US. Two days later, unaware that the British had conceded, the US Congress declared war. And the Canadian militia played an important part, but the British army did as well.

"The all black 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion, also known as the "Triple Nickles", served in World War II from 1944 - 1947. They served in more airborne units, in peace and war, than any other parachute group in history.

They were entirely black, from commanding officer down to the newest private. They were pioneers, blazing new trails for countless black soldiers to follow. In a secret mission, Project FireFly, they protected Oregon from a new terror weapon - balloon bombs. Beginning in November, 1944, nearly 10,000 of these incendiary balloon bombs were released from Japan, riding the jetstream to the West Coast - the first intercontental missle. The Japanese hoped to start forest fires with them and the United States was concerned that the bombs contained a biological weapon.

The mission of the Triple Nickles, "Operation Firefly", was kept secret to avoid giving information to the Japanese. During the same period, a submarine-launched aircraft attacked Fort Stevens, the southern Oregon coast and an oil refinery in California. The submarine-based airplane also dropped incendiary bombs over Oregon forests."

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Not quite a large battle, but the mainland US was attacked by The Empire of Japan in WWII.

Actually, I would say WWII. Not because of Pearl Harbor, but a little known fact is that the Japanese invaded several Alaskan islands. This technically counts as US soil.

Actually, I would say WWII. Not because of Pearl Harbor, but a little known fact is that the Japanese invaded several Alaskan islands. This technically counts as US soil.
I do believe that's already been established.

Only the War of 1812. And we almost invaded Ontario. But you Brits started it because you were still mad about us gaining independence. You guys were attacking our ships for because we were friends with France during the Napoleonic Wars and since France helped us in the Revolution. But that was the only war involving U.S.-canadian hostilities really. Though it was still part of the British Empire.
There was also the Fienian Invasion of about 1880, but that technically was not between the US and Canada. The War of 1812 was declared by the US on Britain, not the other way around, and while the British boarded US ships they didn't attack them (there is a difference between an arguably illegal under international law act and an act of war) - the US got fed up with the percieved violations of international law by British against them and declared war on the British to stop it.

World War 2

Japan

Little known fire bomb attacks made by Japanese air planes launched from subs near the end of WWII caused small fires in the north west, one pilot crashed and was captured he returned to the town that captured him to celebrate 50 years since ww2 and they threw him a party

Actually, I would say WWII. Not because of Pearl Harbor, but a little known fact is that the Japanese invaded several Alaskan islands. This technically counts as US soil.


and the fire bomb attack by japanese on the continential USA

I liked the war of 1812 when the Whitehouse was burned to the ground by canadians

when the northern states were fighting against slavery in the south? because some islands on alaska or the three hour bombing (in cinema it was even less... ;-)) on pearl harbour do not really count.
and why this question? are you planning to start a new battle?

Actually, I would say WWII. Not because of Pearl Harbor, but a little known fact is that the Japanese invaded several Alaskan islands. This technically counts as US soil.
1942 Japan Attacks Oregon, USA

http://blinkynet.net/spag/bomboregon.html

when the northern states were fighting against slavery in the south? because some islands on alaska or the three hour bombing (in cinema it was even less... ;-)) on pearl harbour do not really count.
and why this question? are you planning to start a new battle?
why does half the crap on these boards matter

why this question? something to pass the time

Oh, oh. How about the Liberian Civil War which had somefighting on the grounds of the US embassy (US soil).

Oh, oh. How about the Liberian Civil War which had somefighting on the grounds of the US embassy (US soil).


hmmmmm that might be the one.... hadn't thought about that.

We didn't almost invade it, we did, and burned York (Modern day Toronto), that is why they burned Washington, in retaliation for York.

Ah, okay. I thought the war ending before we could invade Ontario. Thanks for clearing that up.

Oh, oh. How about the Liberian Civil War which had somefighting on the grounds of the US embassy (US soil).

Sort of but not really. We're talking US home soil, not US soil in other countries. But you still somewhat have a point.

I think you were talking about WAR, not about single attacks to american citizens or buildings???

I think you were talking about WAR, not about single attacks to american citizens or buildings???
Well TN (the originator of the question) hasn't given us any guidance on how to define "war" and what "fought" means. Unfortunetely I missed where TN defined US soil as continental US including Alaska , so the Liberian Civil War is out. Darn, especially when the US was not a participant and neither US citizens or building were attacked, it was a good one. Anyone got anything later than the Kontoonie Indian War yet?

I think you were talking about WAR, not about single attacks to american citizens or buildings???

Right.

Squi: so, last war on american soil must have happened yesterday evening, somewhere in the middle of oklahoma, when mister miller came home late at night, drunk, the taste of mrs. rogers, his son's teacher and friend of his neighbour, still on his lips... when his wife just knocked him down with his own spate, she found in the garden...

Alaska and Hawaii were not States then.

No. They weren't. However, they were Territories and Protectorates of the United States, therefore, under the preview(sp?) of Congress. Which makes it an attack on the United States of America at the time.

Just like today, if Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, etc.. were attacked it would an attack on the United States and war would insew.

Kylara

I was just thinking...American Embassies (which are in essentially every country) are US territory as well...I wonder if any "war" has been "fought" on that territory recently. (I don't think we're counting terrorism, like 9/11 and the Al Qaeda attacks on African embassies...)