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Here's some more anti-antiBush ideas for you.

First and foremost:
People keep going on and on about how Bush is in league with the bin Ladens and how they're helping him with his oil. How do they "know" he's in league with them? He flew them out of the country the day after 9-11 (i think is what people have been saying).
Ok, tell me, how many of you have stopped to think that maybe Osama is the bad kid of the family, and that the rest of them aren't all that bad? Ok, maybe it's far-fetched, but how many of you have acutally stopped to wonder about that? Did you think that maybe Bush shipped them out because he knew that a murderous mob the size of a country would be after them? I mean, the majority of the US would be after them, and maybe, just maybe, they had nothing to do with it, so Bush was protecting them.

Ok, why does everyone say that he's in league with them for the oil? For that matter, quit yellin' at him for storing oil in the emergiency reserves...THEY'RE FOR EMERGIENCIES! Paying two bucks a gallon ain't an emergiency! Most of Europe pays more than that, and they're doin' fine, aren't they? Oh, and by the way, he's not doin' it to raise prices for his oil company because 1) it failed, and 2) while in office, he doesn't make a cent from it, and as soon as he's gone, someone else can just dump it all out, so what's the point?

Oh, and while we're on the money subject, guess what: All bills/amendments/etc. that affect wages for government officials don't start until the next term! So even if he somehow managed to get a bill passed that gave him a trillion dollars an hour, it wouldn't come into effect until he leaves.

Now, what does that say about all the money problems, eh? If the laws that are screwing up the budget are working now...that means...that it was...(let's do the math here guys...)...BUM BUM BUUUUM! Clinton! Ok, admitedly, Bush ain't the best, but the vast majority of the problems came from Clinton.

Finally, let's remember that Bush is an avid Christian fellow. People should know, since he's trying to pass the amendment to ban gay marriage. Now, whether or not you agree, you do have to realize that the guy is a Christian, right? Maybe not the smartest, maybe not the strongest, but he is a Christian...
Now, you're gonna stand there and tell me that an undoubtedly Christian guy is in league with Muslim terrorists...Uh-huh, sure. If Bush planned 9/11, then Kennedy planned his own assassination. For that matter, alien interstellar conpsiracy theories would make about as much sense.

Finally (I lied about the last one...), how can anyone think that Bush is better than Kerry? I mean, come on, the guy can't even decide who's running with him. In fact, he can't even decide if he likes the guy he finally decided to run with! He can't tell the truth to save his life! You think Bush lies? What the hell do you think Kerry is doing? HELLO!

Finally (I lied again): If you believe that Bush didn't plan, but knew about 9/11, tell me, what was he supposed to do? First off, he didn't know exactly what was supposed to be happening...He knew something was going to happen sometime...Now, tell me, how many bomb threats, terrorist conspricies, and other such incedences do you think he gets information about on a regular basis? How many of those actually happen? Obviously, not many...Now that means, either he's doing something about them, or it's false information, OR the terrorists never got around to it...Now, being in Bush's place, how many of you would have believed that someone would actually be fool enough to fly themselves into a building? Ok, a lot of you would (a lot not being all). Then, what's he gonna do? Tell everyone? What happens then? Panic, hysteria, air companies go bankrupt, etc. Ok, so he doesn't tell anyone, but he shuts down the air companies for a while. People figure it out, same thing happens. So he goes in before they strike...kinda like Iraq...and you can see what happened with that one...So, what else is there? Secret air marshals? People would be screaming "Conspiracy" for years. Overt air marshals? The terrorists would be smart enough to plan something else, and he'd get criticized for "wasting tax-payer's money." Lastly, even if he had been able to do something about it without panic and pandemonium, they would have found another way...Ya know how in all the sappy movies the hero always stares down the badguy and tells him, "You can kill me, but dreams never die!" Well, guess what, the same goes for bad dreams. Shoot all the terrorists you want, they're still gonna be around. 'Course, you can make it harder for them, but still, there's only so much you can do. So tell me, what was Bush supposed to do? Nuke all of the middle east? Besides, he'd get yelled at for that too, and rightly so.
So, tell me, what would you do that would be any better? I'm sure many of you could think of something. Now, as hard as it may be, pretend that 9/11 hasn't happened yet, pretend that you don't know how and when and where, and then give me something better, eh?

Ok, I'm done now.

First and foremost:
People keep going on and on about how Bush is in league with the bin Ladens and how they're helping him with his oil. How do they "know" he's in league with them? He flew them out of the country the day after 9-11 (i think is what people have been saying).
Ok, tell me, how many of you have stopped to think that maybe Osama is the bad kid of the family, and that the rest of them aren't all that bad? Ok, maybe it's far-fetched, but how many of you have acutally stopped to wonder about that? Did you think that maybe Bush shipped them out because he knew that a murderous mob the size of a country would be after them? I mean, the majority of the US would be after them, and maybe, just maybe, they had nothing to do with it, so Bush was protecting them.

So why weren't Timothy McVey's family taken into protective custody and secreted away after the Oaklahoma bombing? If I recall correctly, the authorities detained and questioned them...

Was Bush in charge then?

There were 39 combat related killings
in Iraq during the month of January.....
In the fair city of Detroit there were
35 murders in the month of January.

That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war torn country of
Iraq.

When some claim President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following ..

FDR...
led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost,
an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman...
finished that war and started one in Korea,
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost
An average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy...
started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson...
turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost
An average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton...
went to war in Bosnia without UN consent,

Bosnia never attacked us.
He(Clinton) was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter
three times by Sudan and did nothing.
Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us
President Bush has ...
liberated two countries,
crushed the Taliban,
crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is taking, but...
It took less time to take Iraq
than it took Janet Reno to take the
Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of
chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time than it took Hillary Clinton to
find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division
and the Marines to destroy the Medina
Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to
call the police after his Oldsmobile
sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!
The Military moral is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to
realize the facts.

Was Bush in charge then?

Is that relevant, or had Bush made changes to laws delaing with terrorism prior to S11? I am quoting precedent, not blaming Bush for Oaklahoma...

When some claim President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following ..

FDR...
led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost,
an average of 112,500 per year.

the japanese were allied with the germans, and note it was a WORLD WAR.

Truman...
finished that war and started one in Korea,
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost
An average of 18,334 per year.
neither did iraq, but not that many peopel are dying because it obviously was a serious threat. crap was going down in north korea as in vietnam

John F. Kennedy...
started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.
see above


Clinton...
went to war in Bosnia without UN consent,
when did we declare war and take over and occopy bosnia? i dont remember overthrowing the bosnian government, that probably wouldve been in the news



He(Clinton) was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter
three times by Sudan and did nothing.
Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
when that happened the intelligence community had not established osama ben ladin as a threat


In the two years since terrorists attacked us
President Bush has ...
liberated two countries,
crushed the Taliban,
crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

now getting rid of the taliban i can see, they were a militant terrorist group in charge of a country, iraq was a sovereign nation with no proven ties to terrorism, which if anyone remembers was why we attacked them. the british got inspectors into libya and talked them down. and you have no idea what a terrorist is, saddam is NOT a terrorist, he was a war criminal, a terrorist he was not.

The Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is taking, but...
It took less time to take Iraq
than it took Janet Reno to take the
Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51 day operation.
bullcrap, we were at "war" with iraq for a year, and it took us another what year and a half to get iraqi self opertaion up and running and there are still pockets of resistance running against ut

We've been looking for evidence of
chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time than it took Hillary Clinton to
find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
you think we could find these supposedly ready to use STOCKPILES


It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division
and the Marines to destroy the Medina
Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to
call the police after his Oldsmobile
sank at Chappaquiddick.
its taking them plenty of time to get rid of those people who dont like our occupying their country



Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!
The Military moral is high!
that depends who you asking. suppsoedly we are doing great but we keep bringing in new troops from reserves and stopping people from going home after their tours are done

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to
realize the facts.
you obviously are

I agree--Bush did it

when that happened the intelligence community had not established osama ben ladin as a threat
not only that, but bin Laden was offered by a Sudanese government that was engaging in a genocide. They offered to give up bin Laden in exchange for economic assistance. Clinton chose not to appease the terrorists and now The Kingdom of Heaven is criticizing him for it

There were 39 combat related killings
in Iraq during the month of January.....
In the fair city of Detroit there were
35 murders in the month of January.

That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war torn country of
Iraq.

When some claim President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following ..

FDR...
led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost,
an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman...
finished that war and started one in Korea,
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost
An average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy...
started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson...
turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost
An average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton...
went to war in Bosnia without UN consent,

Bosnia never attacked us.
He(Clinton) was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter
three times by Sudan and did nothing.
Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us
President Bush has ...
liberated two countries,
crushed the Taliban,
crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is taking, but...
It took less time to take Iraq
than it took Janet Reno to take the
Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of
chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time than it took Hillary Clinton to
find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division
and the Marines to destroy the Medina
Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to
call the police after his Oldsmobile
sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!
The Military moral is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to
realize the facts.

You could very easily go through and do the reverse, put a positive spin on all the other wars and then put a negative one on the Iraq one. You've wasted a fair bit of time typing that.

Bush and Osama are workin together

There were 39 combat related killings
in Iraq during the month of January.....
In the fair city of Detroit there were
35 murders in the month of January.

That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war torn country of
Iraq.

I don't think is supporting anything, more like a scathing statistic of American crime rates

When some claim President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following ..

FDR...
led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost,
an average of 112,500 per year.

Your death toll is wrong, by about 150,000. And Germany declared war on the US on December 10th, the only country he ever declared war on. The US didn't declare war on Germany until the next day and only in response to Germany.

Truman...
finished that war and started one in Korea,
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost
An average of 18,334 per year.

It was not a US endeavor, it was a UN one. And it proved that the UN was not the lameduck the League of Nations was, the UN could not let North Korea trample all over South Korea and not do anything (the Soviets were conveniently absent and the KMT was still the UN-China)

John F. Kennedy...
started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson...
turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost
An average of 5,800 per year.

Well, according to the Government we were in fact attacked, but it turned out not to be true, ring any bells?

Clinton...
went to war in Bosnia without UN consent,

Bosnia never attacked us.
He(Clinton) was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter
three times by Sudan and did nothing.
Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

The Government of Sudan did not offer him up, a private citizen in Sudan did, and it was only once. But he had no proof that he could produce Osama, and the US Government based on intelligence could not believe him

In the two years since terrorists attacked us
President Bush has ...
liberated two countries,

The Northern Alliance bore the brunt of the Afghan fighting, so I'll go with aided one and liberated another.

crushed the Taliban,

Ok

crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya,

This goes way back before the Bush Administration, Libya did not do this becuase they were afraid of the US coming after it. It is simply the prudent thing for Khadeaffi (Sp?) to do to make his country more powerful, it's probably been underway since the early 90's.

Iran and North Korea

There are no nuclear inspectors in North Korea afaik, in fact it's been oddly overlooked. And Iran is making some unnerving moves towards developement of WMD.

The Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is taking, but...
It took less time to take Iraq
than it took Janet Reno to take the
Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51 day operation.

I'm fairly certain they are including the Occupation as part of the operation, in which case it's been going on for more then a year, significantly longer then Waco.


It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division
and the Marines to destroy the Medina
Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to
call the police after his Oldsmobile
sank at Chappaquiddick.

Considering who the attacker was, and what pitiful organization the defender had, is this a surprise?

It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida!!!!

It didn't take long to take Tarawa, but it is still considered a slaughter, does time indicate much?

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!
The Military moral is high!

So high the Government is calling people who thought they had retired to join the fun!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to
realize the facts.

I'll agree they don't show enough of the good things happening, but the media puts out what the consumers want to see, good things happening are not interesting.

Bush sacrificed 3000 americans in the world trade center and the penatgon to as an excuse to start a war for halliburton in Iraq--imagine that

Here's some more anti-antiBush ideas for you.

First and foremost:
People keep going on and on about how Bush is in league with the bin Ladens and how they're helping him with his oil. How do they "know" he's in league with them? He flew them out of the country the day after 9-11 (i think is what people have been saying).
Ok, tell me, how many of you have stopped to think that maybe Osama is the bad kid of the family, and that the rest of them aren't all that bad? Ok, maybe it's far-fetched, but how many of you have acutally stopped to wonder about that? Did you think that maybe Bush shipped them out because he knew that a murderous mob the size of a country would be after them? I mean, the majority of the US would be after them, and maybe, just maybe, they had nothing to do with it, so Bush was protecting them.


One minor problem. Old man Bin Laden was in construction. That is where the family fortune came from. I think Osamas inheritance was pretty big but he had some ability with stocks and turned it into 300 million?

My library is still in boxes so I can't give an exact amount....

The oil factor I think is with the Saudi Royals. Which makes sense since daddy and the shrub are oilmen.....


Ok, why does everyone say that he's in league with them for the oil? For that matter, quit yellin' at him for storing oil in the emergiency reserves...THEY'RE FOR EMERGIENCIES! Paying two bucks a gallon ain't an emergiency! Most of Europe pays more than that, and they're doin' fine, aren't they? Oh, and by the way, he's not doin' it to raise prices for his oil company because 1) it failed, and 2) while in office, he doesn't make a cent from it, and as soon as he's gone, someone else can just dump it all out, so what's the point?

Many well I should say those that remember the embargo think the reserves should not be used.

I think big oil wants the reserves tapped. Free money and when they are gone "hey there is a shortage, raise the money!" They are probably stroking themselves at the thought of charging European prices here.

*snip*


Now, what does that say about all the money problems, eh? If the laws that are screwing up the budget are working now...that means...that it was...(let's do the math here guys...)...BUM BUM BUUUUM! Clinton! Ok, admitedly, Bush ain't the best, but the vast majority of the problems came from Clinton.


SNORE god you guys will be trying to blame Clinton 100 years later.

Hmmm when the shrub looses are you going to blame Clinton as well?

Hey I have a stomach ache. It's Clintons fault!

It's funny but I hear you guy say "Well you know that it takes at least 10 years for fiscal polices to take effect so it's really Reagans doing for the Surplus of Clinton."

But that number disappears for the shrubs failures.


Finally, let's remember that Bush is an avid Christian fellow. People should know, since he's trying to pass the amendment to ban gay marriage. Now, whether or not you agree, you do have to realize that the guy is a Christian, right? Maybe not the smartest, maybe not the strongest, but he is a Christian...


And that means *drum roll* absolutely nothing.

Wilson was a white supreamist and yet manage to set up the League of Nations.

The leader of the most powerful nation on the earth; a nation that affects other nations; is supposed to look past his own petty foibles.

*snip*
*snip*
*snip*

The shrub didn't plan 9/11. At most he screwed up and allowed it to happen. We will never know for sure.

Having lived in that relm, I can tell you that if he was planning it. Somebody would have leaked it. I worked with a few manics that would not have anyproblems nuking a city but I also know that many would find killing your own for political gain is an abomination.

The logistics are just too large for it to have been self planned.

Now for Iraq. I personally belive that the moment he hit office he wanted to hit Sadaam. 9/11 gave him the opening he wanted.

As said "He tried to kill my daddy!" :eek:

You blankety blank blank. You are in charge of an arsonal that can destroy the world several times! You are not supposed to sound like a teenager!

I yield the soap box!

First and foremost:
People keep going on and on about how Bush is in league with the bin Ladens and how they're helping him with his oil. How do they "know" he's in league with them? He flew them out of the country the day after 9-11 (i think is what people have been saying).
Ok, tell me, how many of you have stopped to think that maybe Osama is the bad kid of the family, and that the rest of them aren't all that bad? Ok, maybe it's far-fetched, but how many of you have acutally stopped to wonder about that? Did you think that maybe Bush shipped them out because he knew that a murderous mob the size of a country would be after them? I mean, the majority of the US would be after them, and maybe, just maybe, they had nothing to do with it, so Bush was protecting them.

Lets break it down for you.

Bush and his father have been business partners for a very long time with the Bin Ladens.
The House Saud, as well. (The ruling family of Suadi Arabia)

They have all made a lot of money together over the years, at poorer peoples exspense.
The Bin Ladens, "officially" disowned Osama, after the USS Cole incident.
However, they were in attendance with him, at a wedding, six months before 9/11.
You dont invite the crazy uncle that you "disowned" to family functions, do you?

Keep in mind that the House Saud, has given The Bush family over 1.4 Billion dollars in the last 30 years.
Do you need me to tell you how many horrible things that the Royal family has done?

So, yes.
Its very true that Bush does business with some of the richest and most corrupt people on the earth.

Lets break it down for you.

Bush and his father have been business partners for a very long time with the Bin Ladens.
The House Saud, as well. (The ruling family of Suadi Arabia)

They have all made a lot of money together over the years, at poorer peoples exspense.
The Bin Ladens, "officially" disowned Osama, after the USS Cole incident.
However, they were in attendance with him, at a wedding, six months before 9/11.
You dont invite the crazy uncle that you "disowned" to family functions, do you?

Keep in mind that the House Saud, has given The Bush family over 1.4 Billion dollars in the last 30 years.
Do you need me to tell you how many horrible things that the Royal family has done?

So, yes.
Its very true that Bush does business with some of the richest and most corrupt people on the earth.

This can break it down (http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html) even more for them!

This can break it down (http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html) even more for them!
Notice, it is called a theory, the House of Saud was against the war in Afganistan, and so against the Iraq war they banned US troops from their land, funny how Bush keeps disobeying his overlords. (Wish I could find a roll eyes smilie.)

Notice, it is called a theory, the House of Saud was against the war in Afganistan, and so against the Iraq war they banned US troops from their land, funny how Bush keeps disobeying his overlords. (Wish I could find a roll eyes smilie.)

Wow, out of all that (and there are pages full) that is what you center on? Nice cherry picking!

Notice, it is called a theory, the House of Saud was against the war in Afganistan, and so against the Iraq war they banned US troops from their land, funny how Bush keeps disobeying his overlords. (Wish I could find a roll eyes smilie.)


Oh Yes.

They were against the Iraqi war.

So against it in fact, that they dont have any problem with it since Hussein isnt there to drop SCUDS on Riyahd anymore.
So against the US..(thier business partners) securing 1/5 of the worlds oil.

Yah....they were SO against it.

Oh Yes.

They were against the Iraqi war.

So against it in fact, that they dont have any problem with it since Hussein isnt there to drop SCUDS on Riyahd anymore.
So against the US..(thier business partners) securing 1/5 of the worlds oil.

Yah....they were SO against it.

It's also been reported now that while they maintained an "official" position of being against it, there were in fact special forces operating out of Saudi by the Americans in the Iraq war. So, blah blah blah , you know.. ;)

FDR...
led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost,
an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman...
finished that war and started one in Korea,
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost
An average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy...
started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

...

Clinton...
went to war in Bosnia without UN consent,

...

Germany never attacked the US, true, but they declared war on the US immediatly after the attack on Pearl Harbor.
The Korean and Vietnam wars began because the Communist states attacked the Non-communist US allies.
Clinton never attacked Bosnia. You mean Serbia and that's on heck of a difference.
You make good points but you should get some facts straight...

Germany never attacked the US, true, but they declared war on the US immediatly after the attack on Pearl Harbor.
The Korean and Vietnam wars began because the Communist states attacked the Non-communist US allies.
Clinton never attacked Bosnia. You mean Serbia and that's on heck of a difference.
You make good points but you should get some facts straight...

bosnia is part of the former yugoslavia and yes, clinton did go to war in bosnia, as was stated and he ousted slobadan milosevic(sp). Lets all please get our basic 5th grade history lesson correct. and it really doesnt frickin matter what bush did or did not do because someone somewhere is goign to twist the facts and say hes hitler or he and osama work together but its all horseshit. stop making up lies and argue real facts. maybe he said iraq was workign with terrorists and it wasnt but for God's sake he had nothign to do wiht 9/11 and probably couldnt have prevented it. so stop trying to blame him for somethign that was planned years in advance during the clinton era. remember the first wtc attack? where was clinton then. so argue aobut how there are no wmds but dont make up bullshit for the sake of bashing a president you dont like.

clinton did go to war in bosnia.

Peace-keeping mission..

whatever you want to call it it is still war. people still died. and fine, he peacekeeped serbia/bosnia/Herzegovina/former yugoslavia.

Wait is peacekeeping good or bad now?

Wait is peacekeeping good or bad now?

Well, as a Canadian, I think it's a good idea.. it was a Canadian who invented the idea.. so, I say good!

cant say, you have to take it as a conflict by conflict basis. sometimes it works(bosnia)...other times it doesnt(somalia)

cant say, you have to take it as a conflict by conflict basis. sometimes it works(bosnia)...other times it doesnt(somalia)

Actually in the cases you cite, I can't say I disagree.

In Serbia...you had some people attempting a genocide.

In Somalia, you had a ruthless warlord stealing supplies to sell for drugs, and then selling the drugs back to the people, to buy guns.

I'd say that both were a decent cuase to go war.

yea, and the sad thing about somalia was that it was workign out so well in the begining when we concentrated on food and relief. but then when we went off to hunt down the warlords it turned sour. it was a learning lesson in peacekeeping but unfortunately americans had to lose their lives to teach that lesson.

Bush sacrificed 3000 americans in the world trade center and the penatgon to as an excuse to start a war for halliburton in Iraq--imagine that

Oh come now, deep in your heart-of-hearts, you know that Bush would be capable of cutting out the hearts of babies and eating them if he knew it would guarantee him another term in office or an extra couple of million $ in his pocket :)

(Note: this was satire, not a statement of fact. I know how some of you find it difficult to differentiate...)

There were 39 combat related killings
in Iraq during the month of January.....
In the fair city of Detroit there were
35 murders in the month of January.

That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war torn country of
Iraq.

that's pretty disingenious. care to figure out the number of deaths per 100,000 people in both of those instances? or perhaps you would care to include the iraqi fatalities?

you do realize that the number of people in detroit is nearly an order of magnitude larger than the number of us troops in iraq, right?

You could very easily go through and do the reverse, put a positive spin on all the other wars and then put a negative one on the Iraq one. You've wasted a fair bit of time typing that.


i didn't type it...i found it on a website

Bush is married to Osama bin Laden!!!1!

Oh come now, deep in your heart-of-hearts, you know that Bush would be capable of cutting out the hearts of babies and eating them if he knew it would guarantee him another term in office or an extra couple of million $ in his pocket :)

(Note: this was satire, not a statement of fact. I know how some of you find it difficult to differentiate...)
Where's your proof for all that? Seriously, you keep saying how Bush is this horrible murderer, but where's the proof?
For that matter, where's precedent?
Where's the evidence that shows that Bush is mentally unstable enough?
Where is the evidence that shows he was involved?
You come Bushbashing but all you do is throw out meaningless flames. Grow up.

And yes, I realize that it was satire. it was more aimed at the person you quoted. I didn't realize that it would only give me your post.

Didn't he just say that it was satire? Get a sense of humour, man.

Some of you people seem confused, let me correct you:
Clinton intervened in the lovely country of Serbia and Montenegro, which referred to itself as Jugoslavia in a vain attempt to link up to a nationalist ideal of Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Slovenia, and Macedonia combined as Jugoslavia. The origin of the conflict was the slaughter of the ethnic Albanian population of the Kosovo. Kosovo is in Serbia, not Bosnia.

One minor problem. Old man Bin Laden was in construction. That is where the family fortune came from. I think Osamas inheritance was pretty big but he had some ability with stocks and turned it into 300 million?

Which means *drum roll* absolutely nothing. So he's rich, that doesn't mean he's automatically involved in a government conspiracy. Bill gates is rich, that doesn't mean he was in on it too.

My library is still in boxes so I can't give an exact amount....

The oil factor I think is with the Saudi Royals. Which makes sense since daddy and the shrub are oilmen.....

Like I said, Bush doesn't get any money from his oil while he's in office. None, zip, nada, so why would he try? If he's that stupid, then he's too stupid to have planned it all.


Many well I should say those that remember the embargo think the reserves should not be used.

I think big oil wants the reserves tapped. Free money and when they are gone "hey there is a shortage, raise the money!" They are probably stroking themselves at the thought of charging European prices here.
So, you're saying that oil companies want the oil reserves to be emptied? Hmm, let's think about it...Putting oil into the reserves creates a shortage, giving the companies an excuse to raise prices. Yeah, it makes so much sense to empty the reserves and lower the prices. Uh huh.

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WTF?

SNORE god you guys will be trying to blame Clinton 100 years later.

Hmmm when the shrub looses are you going to blame Clinton as well?

Hey I have a stomach ache. It's Clintons fault!

It's funny but I hear you guy say "Well you know that it takes at least 10 years for fiscal polices to take effect so it's really Reagans doing for the Surplus of Clinton."

But that number disappears for the shrubs failures.

I really don't care who's fault it is. The fact is, it's not Bush. And Clinton was a moron, and I never said that he was responsible for the "Surplus of Clinton."





It means that you need to stop and think about what you're saying before you start spouting out conspiracy theories. And, if you had any kind of knowledge about religion, you'd see that it actually means something. Again, a Christian in league with Muslim Terrorists...Does that make any sense at all? To anyone who knows anything about religion, it does not.

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The shrub didn't plan 9/11. At most he screwed up and allowed it to happen. We will never know for sure.

Having lived in that relm, I can tell you that if he was planning it. Somebody would have leaked it. I worked with a few manics that would not have anyproblems nuking a city but I also know that many would find killing your own for political gain is an abomination.

The logistics are just too large for it to have been self planned.

I'm glad you're sane enough to believe that.

Now for Iraq. I personally belive that the moment he hit office he wanted to hit Sadaam. 9/11 gave him the opening he wanted.

As said "He tried to kill my daddy!" :eek:

You blankety blank blank. You are in charge of an arsonal that can destroy the world several times! You are not supposed to sound like a teenager!

I yield the soap box!

Ok, so he was looking for an excuse...He found one...I never said it was a good excuse, but he didn't set it up, which is my point. Maybe he shouldn't have used it as an excuse, but he didn't set it up.

Bush is married to Osama bin Laden!!!1!

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As a matter of course, I don't like Bush that much. However, he's a damn sight better than the Ketchup King.

If Kerry gets elected, I will move to China. And watch as America is destroyed by his weak leadership, socialistic economic policy, and refusal to act strongly against terrorism.

As a matter of course, I don't like Bush that much. However, he's a damn sight better than the Ketchup King.

If Kerry gets elected, I will move to China. And watch as America is destroyed by his weak leadership, socialistic economic policy, and refusal to act strongly against terrorism.
Good, perhaps a weaker fight against terrorism will give less people a reason to hate us.
(I don't mean this totally seriously)

Making it more difficult for gays to marry is hardly evidence that someone is a Christian.

let's remember that Bush is an avid Christian fellow. People should know, since he's trying to pass the amendment to ban gay marriage. Now, whether or not you agree, you do have to realize that the guy is a Christian, right? Maybe not the smartest, maybe not the strongest, but he is a Christian...Now, you're gonna stand there and tell me that an undoubtedly Christian guy is in league with Muslim terrorists....

Why not? It's pretty much what the Bush administration is asking us to believe when they tell us Hussein and bin Laden were in bed together.

As a matter of course, I don't like Bush that much. However, he's a damn sight better than the Ketchup King.

If Kerry gets elected, I will move to China. And watch as America is destroyed by his weak leadership, socialistic economic policy, and refusal to act strongly against terrorism.

Remember to see the Great Wall.

So, you're saying that oil companies want the oil reserves to be emptied? Hmm, let's think about it...Putting oil into the reserves creates a shortage, giving the companies an excuse to raise prices. Yeah, it makes so much sense to empty the reserves and lower the prices. Uh huh.


Ok try and think about it. They already have prices raised. They start tapping the reserves to lower them back down. Eventually reserves gone, high prices after that.


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WTF?

Sorry all that means is that I cut something out that you said. It's an "old" way of letting you know I read what you said but had no comments. People used to do that to cut down the size of replies.



I really don't care who's fault it is. The fact is, it's not Bush. And Clinton was a moron, and I never said that he was responsible for the "Surplus of Clinton."

Hmmm Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar and the shrub well what acomplishments has he ever done? Speaking before his current job that is.....




And that means *drum roll* absolutely nothing.

Wilson was a white supreamist and yet manage to set up the League of Nations.

The leader of the most powerful nation on the earth; a nation that affects other nations; is supposed to look past his own petty foibles.

"It means that you need to stop and think about what you're saying before you start spouting out conspiracy theories. And, if you had any kind of knowledge about religion, you'd see that it actually means something. Again, a Christian in league with Muslim Terrorists...Does that make any sense at all? To anyone who knows anything about religion, it does not."


Speaking of reading. You should go over what I said again. Did I said he was in league? Nope. The petty foible is the fact he wants to push his belief system on everybody else.

He is a Christian so he can't help himself.

Ok try and think about it. They already have prices raised. They start tapping the reserves to lower them back down. Eventually reserves gone, high prices after that.
But wasn't it Bill "My Life as a Bottomfeeder" Clinton, god among men, who opened up the oil reserves in order to lower prices and help the election odds of his croney Al "Earth in the Balance" Gore? And then, don't the emergency oil reserves (Which are supposed to be saved for emergencies, like electing Democratic political candidates) have to be refilled, eh? Eh?

Hmmm Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar and the shrub well what acomplishments has he ever done? Speaking before his current job that is.....
Well, I suppose you're right there, I mean all Bush ever did was govern a little state called Texas for eight years (making him the first man to win consecutive four year terms in that particular office), gained a Bachelor's Degree at Yale, followed up by a Master's Degree in Business Administration from Harvard Business school, help his dad win the 1988 presidential election, and, with the aid of some partners, run the Texas Rangers franchise for five years.
Clinton had an unpopular term as governer of Arkansas, taught law, didn't have sex with that woman, didn't get kicked out of office, was accused of sexual harrasment, lied under oath, played the saxophone, was subject to a special investigation under the charges of perjury and sexual harrasment, dodged the draft, and did far too many other things with fat women that I don't even want to think about.

Speaking of reading. You should go over what I said again. Did I said he was in league? Nope. The petty foible is the fact he wants to push his belief system on everybody else.

He is a Christian so he can't help himself.
So Christians are stupid loud mouths who can't help but interfere with the way people live? No, thats not an absurd, overreaching, or thoughtless generalization at all.

Bush and Osama are workin together
At the very least the Bin Laden family and the Bush's do. I saw a book in the store on this today. But I don't remember the title. And the stores are closed now.

Hajekistan did a good job of responding, but I'll add my two cents in anyways.

Ok try and think about it. They already have prices raised. They start tapping the reserves to lower them back down. Eventually reserves gone, high prices after that.

Look, if they were that stupid they would have raised prices to 20 bucks a gallon already. That simply isn't the way things work. Think about it...Ok, the gas companies are now paying 2 cents a gallon, but they charge you two bucks...Fair enough they make a lot of money. But what happens when the guy down the street starts charging 1.99? The next guy charges 1.98, and so on, until it's down to 3 cents. It's called "capitalism." Then we run out, and you have to pay 2 bucks, only this time, it ain't gonna go back down. Go take a business class.


Sorry all that means is that I cut something out that you said. It's an "old" way of letting you know I read what you said but had no comments. People used to do that to cut down the size of replies.

Ahh...ok then.



Hmmm Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar and the shrub well what acomplishments has he ever done? Speaking before his current job that is.....

What Hajek said.



Speaking of reading. You should go over what I said again. Did I said he was in league? Nope. The petty foible is the fact he wants to push his belief system on everybody else.

He is a Christian so he can't help himself.

Again, what Hajek said.
I don't want to turn this into a religious flamewar, but dude, do you even know any Christians? And I don't mean you slamed your door on a mormon once. And you people say that Christians are closeminded? Christians may be pushy, but at least they're not stereotyping assholes like you.

At the very least the Bin Laden family and the Bush's do. I saw a book in the store on this today. But I don't remember the title. And the stores are closed now.

Ok, again, where's the proof? Ok, duh, Bush and the bin Laden family are working together, but where's the proof that Bush and Osama are working together? Frankly, there's more proof that I'm a sentient computer program made by little green martians that came from Bush's ass.

Ok, again, where's the proof? Ok, duh, Bush and the bin Laden family are working together, but where's the proof that Bush and Osama are working together? Frankly, there's more proof that I'm a sentient computer program made by little green martians that came from Bush's ass.

Him too!?

No, I came from his ass, remember? I think he came from a robots ass...

cost of the war in Irak $124,061,861,146 going up like one thousand dollars a minute. 900 soldiers killed at least and thousands and thousands or iraquies killed because of money and oil for few people.

We can smoke pot here, nobody tells you what to do or say, theyget better and more truthful news. Canada doesn't have a culture of fear


www.notbush.com

We can smoke pot here, nobody tells you what to do or say, theyget better and more truthful news. Canada doesn't have a culture of fear


www.notbush.com


Nobody tells me what to do....... And this little internet gives me access to about the same news sources as you, and if you think any news source is completely true, you are sadly mistaken.

Jeez Guys, this guy is not worthy of being replied to. His argument against Bush having Business dealings with The Bin Laden's is that 'one is christian and the other is muslim'. When you have arguments of that calibre, you just ignore them.

Jeez Guys, this guy is not worthy of being replied to. His argument against Bush having Business dealings with The Bin Laden's is that 'one is christian and the other is muslim'. When you have arguments of that calibre, you just ignore them.

That was one example. Stop cherry-picking, stupid, and read the whole thread.
And even that's better than "Bush is working with bin Laden!!!" (leaves)

cost of the war in Irak $124,061,861,146 going up like one thousand dollars a minute. 900 soldiers killed at least and thousands and thousands or iraquies killed because of money and oil for few people.

None of you have yet to prove that he's after the oil.

That was one example. Stop cherry-picking, stupid, and read the whole thread.
And even that's better than "Bush is working with bin Laden!!!" (leaves)

I never said that. I said your counter argument was worse.

How can a counter arguement be worse than no arguement?

The fact you are calling it a counter argument (arguing against it) proves there was an argument in the first place. A 'No Argument' as you so eloquently put it, proves there was no need to argue against it.

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Christians may be pushy, but at least they're not stereotyping assholes like you.

:rolleyes: oh they are not eh? Where to begin? They have never said anything about gays, liberals, democrats, feminists, divorsed women, etc. etc.

Pot meet kettle.

:rolleyes: oh they are not eh? Where to begin? They have never said anything about gays, liberals, democrats, feminists, divorsed women, etc. etc.

Pot meet kettle.

Hehe.

look for the haliburton connection even condolezza has a oil tank, don't be ignorant

902 soldiers dead, kids mostly, immigrants and black people more than half, istead of taking care of all the children in the world with that money for 5 years. 5 years of feeding kids around the world instead of occupying countries for the sake of a few. You live in a culture of fear and are manipulated by the fear.

I came from Bush's ass.
I believe you.