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I was wondering if anyone knew if Native Americans were eligible to run for President of the United States.

If not, then do you think they should or vice-versa?

I'd vote for Salishe!

But only if Steph was the Canadian Prime Minister at the same time.

Of course they are! :rolleyes:

Why the hell would Native Americans not be eligable?

Why the hell would Native Americans not be eligable?

Because we have weird laws in this country. Like the fact that Puerto Ricans can be drafted and die for the country, but can't vote in our elections. Who knows what legalistic mumbo-jumbo is lying in wait for the first Native American presidential candidate?

Well they have been pretty skrewed over so who knows?

Have there ever been any that have run for President?

I think that it would be awesome to vote a wise Native American leader into office because s/he would finally give attention to many of the native American issues that are currently being avoided, and s/he would probably care more about the Earth.

only if that Native American is native born to American soil


....i swear that looks so stupid on my screen right now

As long as the candidate is born a citizen and is 35 years of age, they qualify as far as I know.

Ethnic Puerto Ricans who were born in the states can run for president, just not those born in Puerto Rico. There are no laws that descriminate by race in who can run for president.

:p dumpkoph! ;)

As long as the candidate is born a citizen and is 35 years of age, they qualify as far as I know.

3) never convicted of a felony;

4) never sworn alliegence to a foreign state.

only if that Native American is native born to American soil


....i swear that looks so stupid on my screen right now
That's not exactly true--the Native American just needs to be born to parents who are US citizens. You can actually be born a citizen even if you're born in another country. I have a friend who was born in Thailand--his dad was in the State Department--but is still a US citizen.

all native americans on and off the reservations are native born citizens of the united states and thus eligible to be president.

I'm not American, but as far as I know Native Americans have been US citizens since 1924. This is entitlement enough to run for the presidency, is it not?

I think a more interesting question would be: How much would his ethnicity (as a native American) affect his election performance?

3) never convicted of a felony;

4) never sworn alliegence to a foreign state.
Knew I was forgetting something. Thanks.

I don't think Native Americans want to run this country.

does being a dual citizen mean you have sworn alleigance to a foreign state?

I'm not American, but as far as I know Native Americans have been US citizens since 1924. This is entitlement enough to run for the presidency, is it not?

I think a more interesting question would be: How much would his ethnicity (as a native American) affect his election performance?

A Hell of a lot more hippies would vote, for one.

I'm not American, but as far as I know Native Americans have been US citizens since 1924. This is entitlement enough to run for the presidency, is it not?

I think a more interesting question would be: How much would his ethnicity (as a native American) affect his election performance?That's a far more interesting question to me. I would hope that his ethnicity wouldn't make a difference, and I don't imagine that his (assuming it's a male) ethnicity would hold him back as much as it would, say a black or hispanic candidate. I could very easily be mistaken, though.

Ethnic Puerto Ricans who were born in the states can run for president, just not those born in Puerto Rico. There are no laws that descriminate by race in who can run for president.

:p dumpkoph! ;)

My point wasn't that Puerto Rican's couldn't run for President or Native Americans, for that matter. My point was that we have weird loopholes in our legal system such as the fact that a Puerto Rican living on the island can not vote the US President or Congress but can be drafted. However, should that same Puerto Rican move to Florida or any other US state, he immediately and magically gains that right to vote. I know it sounds silly, but it's true.

Wasn't the Green Parties presidential candidate Ralph Naders runnig mate Native American woman?

What does swearing alleigance to a foreign state mean exactly?

also Incertonia I love that Quote from Joseph Campbell!!!

Advice on life doesnt get much better than that!

My point wasn't that Puerto Rican's couldn't run for President or Native Americans, for that matter. My point was that we have weird loopholes in our legal system such as the fact that a Puerto Rican living on the island can not vote the US President or Congress but can be drafted. However, should that same Puerto Rican move to Florida or any other US state, he immediately and magically gains that right to vote. I know it sounds silly, but it's true.

OK... but it has nothing to do with their ethnicity, only with the laws governing their protectorate status.

:D doof! :cool:

I think that it would be awesome to vote a wise Native American leader into office because s/he would finally give attention to many of the native American issues that are currently being avoided, and s/he would probably care more about the Earth.
Knowing your luck the first native president would probably be some corporatised Democrat or ...yes! even a Republican! I can't really imagine a Green Party candidate getting elected in the US.

Are there any Green senators, representatives or congressmen?

3) never convicted of a felony;

4) never sworn alliegence to a foreign state.


I'm pretty sure that you're wrong about this.

From article 2 of the constitution: " No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."

Nothing about felony convictions or even allegiance to foreign states. Among other things, Washington, Adams, and most of the early presidents had stated their allegiance to Britain before the Revolution.

I also checked Title 3 of the US Code. Nothing there either about felony convictions or allegiance.

Eugene V. Debs received nearly a million votes while running for president in 1920, despite being incarcerated at the time in a federal prison after a felony conviction. I'm unaware of any legal hurdles he faced to get onto the ballot.


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To also answer the original question. American Indians are US citizens, and have no abnormal bars to seeking presidential office. We've had a number of senators and governors who were wholly or partly of American Indian origin, notably Ben Nighthorse Campbell.

Knowing your luck the first native president would probably be some corporatised Democrat or ...yes! even a Republican! I can't really imagine a Green Party candidate getting elected in the US.

Are there any Green senators, representatives or congressmen?
Nope. There was a good chance that a Green was going to become the mayor of San Francisco last year, but he lost by 12,000 votes, just over a percentage point. I voted for the guy, and he would have been the highest profile Green in the nation had he won. As it is, he's still president of the Board of Supervisors of the city.

there's GREEN ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE Bob Jacobson - Hawaii County

as far as I know.

I agree that it should be a Native American Democrat or Republican and coming from those parties they will probably be corporatized, but maybe they could pull it off by stabbing them corporations in teh back once they get elected. of course a bullet in teh head would be soon to follow.

does being a dual citizen mean you have sworn alleigance to a foreign state?

That's an interesting question. I suppose if you choose to be a dual citizen, then you have sworn allegiance to a foreign state. I don't really know what the laws on that are. However, some people are dual citizens through no fault of their own. My mother had dual citizenship in the US and in Germany until she was 21 because she was born on a base in Berlin. At 21, she either had to go live in Germany (to keep her citizenship there) or stay in the US (and keep her citizenship here).

I'm pretty sure that you're wrong about this.

From article 2 of the constitution: " No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."

Nothing about felony convictions or even allegiance to foreign states. Among other things, Washington, Adams, and most of the early presidents had stated their allegiance to Britain before the Revolution.

I also checked Title 3 of the US Code. Nothing there either about felony convictions or allegiance.

Eugene V. Debs received nearly a million votes while running for president in 1920, despite being incarcerated at the time in a federal prison after a felony conviction. I'm unaware of any legal hurdles he faced to get onto the ballot.


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To also answer the original question. American Indians are US citizens, and have no abnormal bars to seeking presidential office. We've had a number of senators and governors who were wholly or partly of American Indian origin, notably Ben Nighthorse Campbell.
Indeed, I may be mistaken :confused:

I'd vote for Salishe!

But only if Steph was the Canadian Prime Minister at the same time.

Well, some one would have to keep him in check..lol :D

who wants to know why a native american will never be president?

native americans are "foreigners" rejected from society more than hispanics or blacks or asians. when was the last time you saw a native american outside the midwest? thats right

who wants to know why a native american will never be president?

native americans are "foreigners" rejected from society more than hispanics or blacks or asians. when was the last time you saw a native american outside the midwest? thats right

you must mean southwest, i see indians every day (every day that i leave my house that is)'

i doubt a person with dual citizenship would get very far, but you ahve to be a native born american at least

those rules on choosing one country over another were thrown out after an 80's supreme court decision. US citizens can have dual citizenship now. so perhaps there would be no LEGAL problem to a true mexican/american becoming president. i dunno


i think that any indian getting a major party nomination for president would be have to be indistinquishable from an anglo. thus it would make no real difference to the way things were run in the end.

Because we have weird laws in this country. Like the fact that Puerto Ricans can be drafted and die for the country, but can't vote in our elections. Who knows what legalistic mumbo-jumbo is lying in wait for the first Native American presidential candidate?

The Snyder Act of 1926 resolved the issue of voting and office holding for Native Americans

Believe it or not...many issues from the Republican side of the house resonate with many Native Americans....(1)Strong Military...we are after all descendents of a proud warrior tradition, (2) Family orientated, (3)Gun ownership, (3) as little government intrustion into our lives as possible.. believe me...after dealing wth the Bureau of Indian Affairs we'd rather have the government have as little say so in our lives as possible....Now...on the flip side...we would more then likely be more proactive as far as enviromental policies..

As far as the War on Terror thing goes guys...ya may want to rethink having an Indian...especially if he's Apache, Mohawk, Cheyenne, Sioux, or Comanche, because they'd follow them to the ends of the earth, no hole big enough..and they'd not worry bout collateral damage..my people have a saying...it's roughly translated to "Bloody Ground"..when the blood of your enemies is so thick the ground can no longer absorb it all..

Well, some one would have to keep him in check..lol :D

Aww..now why would you think that?

A native-american president...

LEGALIZED GAMBLING EVERYONE!

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As far as the War on Terror thing goes guys...ya may want to rethink having an Indian...especially if he's Apache, Mohawk, Cheyenne, Sioux, or Comanche, because they'd follow them to the ends of the earth, no hole big enough..and they'd not worry bout collateral damage..my people have a saying...it's roughly translated to "Bloody Ground"..when the blood of your enemies is so thick the ground can no longer absorb it all..
you say that as if it might be a bad thing

looks to me like we could have used a little more of that attitude in the search for bin laden

you say that as if it might be a bad thing

looks to me like we could have used a little more of that attitude in the search for bin laden

You're not getting it quite...when I say we wouldn't worry bout collateral damage...I mean it...I've got OBL in a civilian neighborhood complete with kids...in a warrior mind they are all the enemy....and simply drop a bomb rather then risk troops on an assault that may or may not succeed.

Because we have weird laws in this country. Like the fact that Puerto Ricans can be drafted and die for the country, but can't vote in our elections. Who knows what legalistic mumbo-jumbo is lying in wait for the first Native American presidential candidate?
On the same token, however, Puerto Rico pays no federal taxes, while they recieve enough money to build a relatively decent economy.

As long as the candidate is born a citizen and is 35 years of age, they qualify as far as I know.

I still think there's some kind of racist thing going on behind the scenes, because as far as I know, no woman or black guy ever had a chance in an election.

...or was there a black president? I don't remember...

I still think there's some kind of racist thing going on behind the scenes, because as far as I know, no woman or black guy ever had a chance in an election.

...or was there a black president? I don't remember...


oh without a doubt, angehachou, there is a racist thing going on. few black men or women have gotten to high enough elective or military office to "qualify" them to run for president but even if they did....say colin powell in '08, there is no way the party would nominate them. first they would assume that the country is full of too many racists to get enough votes no matter how well qualified; second, there may well BE too many racists to get him elected.

who wants to know why a native american will never be president?

native americans are "foreigners" rejected from society more than hispanics or blacks or asians. when was the last time you saw a native american outside the midwest? thats right

Today. That's right. What's your point?

Today. That's right. What's your point?

Oh my Unequa...I'm an outsider?...ahmmm....not sure if the poster you responded too realizes that Indians stretch from the West Coast to the East Coast..lol....

Oh my Unequa...I'm an outsider?...ahmmm....not sure if the poster you responded too realizes that Indians stretch from the West Coast to the East Coast..lol....

I would guess: no.

Wynona Laduke is a native and she was the vice-presidential nominee for the Green party. Also Bill Clinton is part Cherokee.

Wynona Laduke is a native and she was the vice-presidential nominee for the Green party. Also Bill Clinton is part Cherokee.

Actually since his family is from Arkansas..he'd have some distant relation to the Chickamauga of Arkansas..they are a sub-sept of the Cherokee, but you'd find few full or even half-blood who'd call Clinton "brother"