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Now we find out two things; the biggest dictator evar11!! and whether I can make these poll thingies work.

I'll cast my vote for Stalin

just saw the poll and I don't think GW can be classified as a dictator because he was elected by the democratic process of his nation and as far as we know is fully prepared to conceed power should his bid for re-election fail

My gf says I have the biggest dictator but I think gf's are supposed to say that to their bf's

I know what your implying, but does Bush REALLY need to be up there?

Adolph Hitler was the most ambitious and enterprising.
Josef Stalin was the most successful.

The rest were/are just amateurs.

I just saw the poll and I don't think GW can be classified as a dictator because he was elected by the democratic process of his nation and as far as we know is fully prepared to conceed power should his bid for re-election fail
So was Hitler. ;)

Not suggesting that GWB is a dictator though. Just that being elected democratically doesn't mean that you cannot be a dictator.

Personally I go by the size of the Dictator Mustache (tm). Observe.

Stalin
http://www.marxists.org/glossary/people/s/pics/stalin.gif

vs

Hitler
http://193.78.190.200/cigads/hitler.jpg

No comparison! Stalin's mustache is clearly much large throughout his life, whereas the above sees Hitler's mustache in an unusually large moment, not even equalling Stalin's Stache.

And then of course, Mussolini and GW Bush don't even have mustaches at all! Boo, disqualified!

Castro is a bit tricky. He has quite a bit of facial hair...

http://www.ahtg.net/castro.jpg

But the actual mustache part isn't terribly impressive. What's more, it's made even less impressive by the presence of all that beard. One might even say the beard is his prominent hair and the mustache, far from being a Dictator Mustache, might only be just a north- and central-ward expansion of the beard! Boo, disqualified!

http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/6/60/Saddambeard.jpg

Sit down, Saddam. You're just trying to look like Castro. Disqualified.

So was Hitler. ;)

Not suggesting that GWB is a dictator though. Just that being elected democratically doesn't mean that you cannot be a dictator.

si, but he never let elections happen which would make him a dictator

Voted for Stalin of course, most successful tyrant ever for sure.

Out of curiosity who voted Fidel?

I know what your implying, but does Bush REALLY need to be up there?

I'm not implying anything. Actually, I just know a lot of folks would interject Bush there even if I hadn't put it in there. They would want him to compete along with the rest, so I'm giving him the chance.

But as I said, I didn't consider him qualified.

Someone argued that putting GW in that list isn't fair because he was democratically elected, and while some might assert the election wasn't the best America has ever had as a nation, there's something to that.

Of course, by that train of logic, we have to discount Hitler, too. And Castro rose to power on a wave of popular support that he still (to a large part) enjoys. Stalin was ruthless, but today many of the older people in Russia reminisce about the days of Stalin and say they'd like them back. As for Mussolini and Hussein, I got nothing. Where's Mao Tse Tung on this list, is my question. He makes Mussolini and Saddam both look like girl scouts. Pol Pot, anyone? Tito? Milosevic? Or how about Francisco Franco? All kinds of South American governments have made it a habit to force certain citizens to undergo a vanishing act, like Augusto Pinochet or Juan Peron (don't cry for me, Argentina). Or we could wander into Africa and talk about Idi Amin or Qaddafi. While it might not be a dictatorship, South African under Apartheid has to rank pretty high up there for oppressive and unjust government regimes. Mussolini and Saddam Hussein are small fries compared to some of these other people, they're just a little more famous (although missing Mao is inexcusable!).

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By the by, I voted for Stalin.

Stalin, followed closely by Hitler and Castro, who has managed to stay in power for so long. Bush isn't really a dictator since most of the US's oppression is too complex for someone like him to think up.

si, but he never let elections happen which would make him a dictator
He did. In facy, it was by calling a lot of elections that he was given the majority needed to crush the Weimar Republic.

Other places he allow elections to become part of the German Reich (plebiscites, sp? ). Funny how the result was always around 90%.

Hitler, because of all the dead Allied soldiers, Jews, and flattened Europe. He also gets kudos for perverting a religious (Budhist?) symbol.

Adolf Hilter....hands down. He's responsible for the deaths of 60+ million plus in the Second World War, not including the 10-13 million killed in the Holocaust.

Josef Stalin is a close second. He's at twenty million plus. Definitely the worst Communist dictator. *Waits to get the typical Leftist "But Stalin wasn't a Commie!!!!1!1one!1!!" response*

Mao Zedong was a vicious murderer, who may have killed as many as Stalin.....

Saddam Hussein is the only person to authorize the use of posion gas (not including executions, of course) on anyone since the First World War...he's also responsible for killing two million people....

General Mohammed Suharto is definitely on the list. He's at around two million, as well....

Fidel Castro is a vicious dictator, don't get me wrong, but he's a wanna-be dictator......he's like the baby the USSR had, but then neglected...

I would never consider George W. Bush a dictator, namely because he hasn't done anything to deserve that title. *Waits for the typical Leftist "OMG!!1!1!one! BU$H IS DICTATOR!!!one!1!1!!" response.*

I think you give Hitler too much credit. I mean, it takes a World to fight a World War. Hitler didn't kill all 50-80 million himself. And although he did technically start the war, I think it was as inevitable following Versailles as Titanic 2 following Box Office Draws is.

(Actually, is there a Titanic 2 in the works? I bet there is, even if it has to wait a few decades. Someone somewhere will plumb those depths again, and destroy us all.)

I should have included Mao, though, I see now. Alas. Cannot edit poll.

Also note, title of thread, "the biggest dictator," not "are these guys dictators?" You have a voice in the form of poll answering, use it! Vote Stalin, biggest and purest Dictator Mustache of them all!

I don't think GW can be classified as a dictator because he was elected by the democratic process of his nation

Funny ... I thought the Supreme Court decided he was President, not the will of the people ...

According to the FEC (http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm):

Gore 50,996,116
Bush 50,456,169

Gore won by half a million votes ...

Bush was not elected by the people, he rigged the elections. The only ones who can't believe it are blinded by paitriotism or drunk on pro Bush propoganda. And it doesnt stop there, if it is actually possible,GW is a terrorist. The US see's itself above the UN and any other counrties idea's and propositions. Headed by Bush they have set a dangerous precedent byt attcking another country without resonable grounds. So called paitriots labled doubters as terrosists themselves, but now the truth has come out...so Bush just finds scapegoats. O sorry, we shouldnt have attacked that country. And now look, they have left the country in turmoil, and the yanks are running as fast as they can. Dictator and terrorist... only in the United States of America

OK! Stop with the pro-anti-Bush bits! It's old already. And I don't want this General election to stop before all the votes are in.

::instantly regrets adding Bush there::

Bush of course. Only he isn't so obviouse about his intentions.

Funny ... I thought the Supreme Court decided he was President, not the will of the people ...

According to the FEC (http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm):

Gore 50,996,116
Bush 50,456,169

Gore won by half a million votes ...

no, if our election system was baised on the popular vote he would have won

GW got it fair and square

Bush was not elected by the people, he rigged the elections. The only ones who can't believe it are blinded by paitriotism or drunk on pro Bush propoganda. And it doesnt stop there, if it is actually possible,GW is a terrorist. The US see's itself above the UN and any other counrties idea's and propositions. Headed by Bush they have set a dangerous precedent byt attcking another country without resonable grounds. So called paitriots labled doubters as terrosists themselves, but now the truth has come out...so Bush just finds scapegoats. O sorry, we shouldnt have attacked that country. And now look, they have left the country in turmoil, and the yanks are running as fast as they can. Dictator and terrorist... only in the United States of America

#1 - do you have proof that GW rigged the election

#2 - EVERY nation sees itself as above the UN

#3 - we're running from Iraq? when?

Bush of course. Only he isn't so obviouse about his intentions.

he killed 7 million jews?

or headed the empire that killed ever 100 million of its own people?

he killed 7 million jews?

or headed the empire that killed ever 100 million of its own people?
No. Not yet. But theres still time to plunge the world into a new world war. He already started by destabilising an already instable region further. Gotta give him points for that. And who did the things you described above?

Hitler did, of course. He gets my vote, hands down.

But it seems that some people are forgetting ancient history. Where is Nero? Caligula? Vlad the Impaler (the historical basis for Bram Stoker's Count Dracula)? Genghis Khan? Now those guys were the original bad-ass dictators.

Hitler did, of course. He gets my vote, hands down.

But it seems that some people are forgetting ancient history. Where is Nero? Caligula? Vlad the Impaler (the historical basis for Bram Stoker's Count Dracula)? Genghis Khan? Now those guys were the original bad-ass dictators.
Vlad imo can't be classified as a dictator. He was no worse then any other ruler in his days.

No. Not yet. But theres still time to plunge the world into a new world war. He already started by destabilising an already instable region further. Gotta give him points for that. And who did the things you described above?

a new world war? with who? iran?

and the other guy was stalin, the empire was the USSR

I say Chirac

a new world war? with who? iran?

and the other guy was stalin, the empire was the USSR
Of course the Muslim world wouldn't take offense if he was to attack yet another Muslim country. Would they?
And that Stalin killed 100 million Soviet citizens is news to me.

I'll cast my vote for Stalin

just saw the poll and I don't think GW can be classified as a dictator because he was elected by the democratic process of his nation and as far as we know is fully prepared to conceed power should his bid for re-election fail
Saddam Hussein was also "elected by the democratic process of his nation," and in fact, a higher percent of the population "voted for him" than did Americans for Bush...

Vlad imo can't be classified as a dictator. He was no worse then any other ruler in his days.

Oh really? How many rulers of Vlad's day had their own versions of the Field of the Impaled?

no, if our election system was baised on the popular vote he would have won

GW got it fair and square
How are we gonna tell Iraq that they have to be a democracy when we aren't even a democracy?

Isn't Castro the tallest?

I'm not trusting little men anymore.

Dubya of course...

But seriously, I would actually say Qin Shi Huang. To build his empire, which was supposedly to last indefinitely (that's why he named himself the First Emperor of Qin), Qin Shi Huang practically went on a killing spree in order to conquer and unite China. All of the opposing kingdoms were annilihated by the well-trained and massive Qin armies. Each time a city fell, Qin Shi Huang's soldiers pillaged, raped, and massacred every single inhabitant. The capital of all opposing kingdoms were levelled and salt sown into the ground as a symbolic show of force. Later on, in order to erase history of past kingdoms that controlled China, Qin Shi Huang attempted to burn every single book in existence in China. When scholars objected, they were either buried under the Great Wall of China or were forced into labor. Millions died working upon Qin Shi Huang's elaborate building projects. In addition, he dispatched hundreds of expeditions into the watery expanse known now as the Pacific Ocean in order to find Penglai (the homeland of the fairies) in order to get the elixier of immortality. The commoners were disallowed from having weapons of any kind. The tools they used were all blunted to prevent them from being used as weapons. Whenever a rebellion occurred, Qin Shi Huang brutally suppressed them with heavy casualties...

Dictator

NOUN: 1a. An absolute ruler. b. A tyrant; a despot.
2. An ancient Roman magistrate appointed temporarily to deal with an immediate crisis or emergency.
3. One who dictates:

By the third definition alone, just about every government official is a dictator...kind of like how every refferee is a dictator...or every principle is a dictator. In this case, Mr. GW Bush is indeed a dictator, but anyone that would even think to vote him as the best or worst of anything deserves a bitch slap.
I voted for Stalin. The man has far more blood on his hands than Adolf Hitler, and not only that but for a short time he gained the support of the United States during the second world war, and brought his nation to perhaps become the biggest super power in the world, matching America or perhaps even surpassing them for a short time.


Adolf Hilter....hands down. He's responsible for the deaths of 60+ million plus in the Second World War, not including the 10-13 million killed in the Holocaust.

I may be wrong with the statistics, but I thought it was six million...hence the Neo Nazi phrase "Six million is the magic number." Although I may be thinking of just the amount of Jews killed, and not the total of men and women killed in his concentration camps. As for the 60+ that died in WWII...to put the blame on just him would not be fair at all. You're forgetting that Russia, Italy, America, France, England, and Japan also fought in this war. Everyone involved was responsible. It takes the world to fight a world war.

Josef Stalin is a close second. He's at twenty million plus. Definitely the worst Communist dictator. *Waits to get the typical Leftist "But Stalin wasn't a Commie!!!!1!1one!1!!" response*

Stalin wasn't a commy. By practice, he was as socialist tyrant.

Comapred to Mao, Stalin, and Hitler everyone on this list are small fries and shouldn't even be considered for anything other than sad attempts. And as for the far left hippies that voted Bush as the worst...grow the **** up.
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no, if our election system was baised on the popular vote he would have won

GW got it fair and square

Which is exactly the problem. How does the voice of the nation count when popular vote does not decide the president? It's all a scam. Always has, and always will be.

Adolph Hitler was the most ambitious and enterprising.
Josef Stalin was the most successful.

The rest were/are just amateurs.

Mussolini invented fascism... doesn't that count for something?

and why isn't Mao on the list? :-P

How are we gonna tell Iraq that they have to be a democracy when we aren't even a democracy?
Lookin' for an answer here...c'mon people...

The biggest dictator in modern history would have to be Josef Stalin. He killed millions of people, imprisioned over most of the population, and was a ruthless head of state. Adolf Hitler may have killed thousands of jews and other innocent lives and brought the world into its second world war.

Saddam Hussein may of killed tens of thousand, but he still isn't the Biggest Dictator. Mussolini is far from this, he was the cry baby of all dictators that lived in the last century. Castro, led his country to be against the United States he is not the worse though a hero to protect Cuban buisnesses.

George W. Bush is planning to hold Federal Elections, he may of put lots of people to their deaths but he's far a least of the evils.

What about the Roman and Egyptian and Persian and etc etc etc Dictators?

How Can We Speak About The Past!?!
The world is full of stupid wars! So...I don't know who the Biggest Dictator is...but i know who is the most dangerous for our lifes... :sniper: George W. Bush. :sniper:

Stalin.

I may be wrong with the statistics, but I thought it was six million...hence the Neo Nazi phrase "Six million is the magic number." Although I may be thinking of just the amount of Jews killed, and not the total of men and women killed in his concentration camps. As for the 60+ that died in WWII...to put the blame on just him would not be fair at all. You're forgetting that Russia, Italy, America, France, England, and Japan also fought in this war. Everyone involved was responsible. It takes the world to fight a world war.


It was around 6+ million Jews that were killed in the Holocaust. They made up the largest majority of the people that Hitler had directly killed. The other millions came from the blacks, gays, gypsies, political opponents, et al, that Hitler sent to the camps......and, yes, I can blame Hitler for World War II. Without him, would there have been the war? His actions led to the war, thusly, he's to blame for it and all of those who died in it. Now, that may exclude those who died in the Pacific theatre, because I strongly believe that Japan would have attacked us even if Hitler had never existed.....


Which is exactly the problem. How does the voice of the nation count when popular vote does not decide the president? It's all a scam. Always has, and always will be.

The Electoral College decides our President, not the popular vote...

It was around 6+ million Jews that were killed in the Holocaust. They made up the largest majority of the people that Hitler had directly killed. The other millions came from the blacks, gays, gypsies, political opponents, et al, that Hitler sent to the camps......and, yes, I can blame Hitler for World War II. Without him, would there have been the war? His actions led to the war, thusly, he's to blame for it and all of those who died in it. Now, that may exclude those who died in the Pacific theatre, because I strongly believe that Japan would have attacked us even if Hitler had never existed.....

The Electoral College decides our President, not the popular vote...
Twelve million people died in Hitler's concentration camps.
Japan had been on its latest attempt to build an empire since the 1930s. It was only a matter of time before America was attacked. I think that WW2 just accelerated Japan's plans.

As regards the fact that "The Electoral College decides our President, not the popular vote," I think that was exactly Furer's problem. He believes that the guy who more people vote for should be president.
If you don't mind me asking, who did you vote for in 2000? Who will you vote for this year?

Twelve million people died in Hitler's concentration camps.
Japan had been on its latest attempt to build an empire since the 1930s. It was only a matter of time before America was attacked. I think that WW2 just accelerated Japan's plans.

I agree with you. After the Russo-Japanese War, Japan had their heart set on conquoring the Pacific. It would have been a matter of time until they attacked America. (FDR's isolationism didn't exactly help with the Panay Incident, which embolden the Japanese into thinking that we wouldn't care if they attack us....


As regards the fact that "The Electoral College decides our President, not the popular vote," I think that was exactly Furer's problem. He believes that the guy who more people vote for should be president.
If you don't mind me asking, who did you vote for in 2000? Who will you vote for this year?

I voted for George W. Bush in 2000 and I will vote for Michael Anthony Peroutka (God damn, that's a hard last name to spell...) this year. Out of curiousity, why do you ask?

Everyone thinks of Hitler and his genocide, but Stalin was just as anti-semetic as Hitler was and he kiled millions more than Hitler did. He had jews exterminated and he had government purges. No one knows about it though, because he was our ally in WWII.

Adolph Hitler was the most ambitious and enterprising.
Josef Stalin was the most successful.

The rest were/are just amateurs.

:sniper: You don't know what you're talking about. Hitloer was far more sucessful. Even after he was dead and there was proof that he did the tthings he did, the people were still brainwashed enough to not believe it.

You don't know what you're talking about. Hitloer was far more sucessful. Even after he was dead and there was proof that he did the tthings he did, the people were still brainwashed enough to not believe it.

Which Dictator fended off a military that far surpassed his own in training, funding, and weapons?

Josef Stalin!

Which dictator survived past the world war, took his nation from a cheap piece of scrap to become America's rival superpower?

Josef Stalin!

Which dictator is still accepted as one of the best leaders of it's nations time?

Josef Stalin!

For every one thing you say that you think makes Hitler the most sucessful, I can come back with something that shows otherwise.

As for the Electorial College, I am well aware of them. I should've clarified what I was saying.

I agree with you on both of your points Das Furher, both that Josef Stalin was the biggest dictator, and the fact that Hitler is among the most successful.

Not one vote for Saddam..

Interesting.

Which Dictator fended off a military that far surpassed his own in training, funding, and weapons?

Josef Stalin!

Which dictator survived past the world war, took his nation from a cheap piece of scrap to become America's rival superpower?

Josef Stalin!

Which dictator is still accepted as one of the best leaders of it's nations time?

Josef Stalin!

For every one thing you say that you think makes Hitler the most sucessful, I can come back with something that shows otherwise.

As for the Electorial College, I am well aware of them. I should've clarified what I was saying.
All true. But Hitler achieved all his succeses in a decade.

Castro isn't a dictator really.

Castro isn't a dictator really.
Naah, he's just a sweet ol', misunderstood hombre.

I can think of so many dictators you could have put on this poll besides our elected President George W Bush.

Stalin was the most effective and powerful dictator, who put millions to death. He also allowed millions more to die in WWII by ignoring casualties. If he had lived much longer, the would would be a much more grim for it.

Hitler was the most evil. He callously destroyed a people. Evil does not translate into effective, or 'big'. Stalin was not a genocide...he was a ruthless administrator, of a bad sort. Hitler was a maniac, and his 'reich' lasted less than a decade. Stalin was a power for much longer, and he did mnot have to commit suicide.

These are different things, so I voted Stalin (how ironic...voting for stalin...yeah). Oh an)other note (I know this has been commented on, but I must add) To the underdeveloped demagogue who put Mr. W on the list...we can be sure you posess the emotional maturity to control a nation.

Good day.

I can think of so many dictators you could have put on this poll besides our elected President George W Bush.
If by elected you mean losing by half a million in the general election...

Like I posted in this thread already, Saddam Hussein was also "elected" by the "democratic" process of his nation and he get a lot higher percentage of the population than GW did...

Whoever is complaining about how Bush was elected by the Supreme Court has to understand that if a LIBERAL court picks Bush to be President it has to be the constituinally correct decision.

The founding fathers set up the electoral college for a reason, you know.

I find it really funny how libs say that Bush steals the election and plans to get oil from Iraq and invade all of the Middle East, yet deride him as an idiot.

And by the way, according to CANADIAN(get that-socailst, pro democrat) research Fox News is the second most middle of the road sources of information, second only to the Drudge Report. I am tired of all the bullcrap from libs who seem to think that the NYT is fair, and think that Micheal Moore is a god.

Anyway, Stalin is probally the biggest dictator..

Underdeveloped demagogue? Made you feel big to say that, I bet.

As far as emotional maturity to control a nation, well, I do possess that. In all actuality, emotional maturity is not necessary to control a nation. Or maybe you think crybaby Hitler didn't actually control nazi Germany? Or short tempered Napoleon. Now that I think about it, it's rather more like emotional maturity PREVENTS you from controlling a nation. Dalai Lama, anyone?

Blah, some people are so stupid. I'm just going to be bitter all day now, because some people are so stupid.

Naah, he's just a sweet ol', misunderstood hombre.

lol.

He is actually elected by 'the party' of which any one can be a member.

Whoever is complaining about how Bush was elected by the Supreme Court has to understand that if a LIBERAL court picks Bush to be President it has to be the constituinally correct decision.

The founding fathers set up the electoral college for a reason, you know.

I'm glad you can spell "constituinally" at least as good as our fearless leader would...by the way, why do you think our Founding Fathers set up the Electoral College? I think I know why, and I think it is out of date.

Bush is indeed a horrific dictator, but he doesn't hold a candle to the likes of Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc.

If by elected you mean losing by half a million in the general election...

Like I posted in this thread already, Saddam Hussein was also "elected" by the "democratic" process of his nation and he get a lot higher percentage of the population than GW did...

Did Bush win the Electoral College (aka: the only one that matters) vote?

Is President Bush still subject to the checks and balances produced by the Legislative and Judicial Branches?

If you answered correctly to both of these questions you would see why our President is not a dictator.

I'm voting Mussolini, because without him you would have Hitler or Saddam (he's the ideological father of Fascism). It's debatable, but maybe without him Stalin wouldn't have won the power struggle (the need to defend socialism in one country would be harder to justify without that ideological opponent), without Stalin you wouldn't have Castro, without Hitler you wouldn't have Bush etc. Mussolini was dictating when Hitler was still wandering around Munich falling over. He set the stage for the great ideological war of the twentieth century.

So I say to you all- Vote Mussolini.

And if my argument didn't win you round, maybe the fact he looked like my step-niece will. It's spooky.

Clearly, Joseph Stalin was the most politically-successful dictator (relying upon the Webster's definition of the term.) Hitler was not a dictator in as much as he received power via election and was kept in power by consent of the German people (with the notable exception of the attempts on his life by organized sectors of the government and population.)

GWB is not a dictator. He's just an a$$hole.

the choice between Hitler and Stalin was a tough one! The others weren't really serious options - okay, Hussein was a scumbag, but fortunately he lacked the resources to rival the big boys; while Mussolini ended up as Hitler's lapdog.
As for GWB - a friendly warning: has everyone read "the little boy who cried wolf"? Down Under we had a problem a few elections ago - the term 'rascist' had been thrown around so casually for so long that when a truly rascist MP was (quite rightly) panned in the media, her popularity went up; lots of people assumed that she was being unfairly persecuted, because it had happened to so many other people.
If you keep comparing GWB to Hitler and friends, what are you going to do if someone comparable to Stalin actually runs for President?

Back to the poll - if there's a new poll later, some candidates from previous centuries would be good! Caligula really should be up there.
Cheers!

My vote is for Hitler :)

I've seen several people argue for who is the biggest dictator based on the number of people they've killed. This is a ridiculous argument to make, dictatorship has nothing to do with death (it's just that they're often seen holding hands). One can have a benevolent dictator that is loved by the people. Let us turn to the dictionary!

dictator

\Dic*ta"tor\, n. [L.] 1. One who dictates; one who prescribes rules and maxims authoritatively for the direction of others. --Locke.

2. One invested with absolute authority; especially, a magistrate created in times of exigence and distress, and invested with unlimited power.

One is a dictator if one is or considers oneself above the law. Not if one goes out and kills millions of people. Now, the argument could be made that Bush considers himself above the law, he's certainly acted accordingly with his willful disobedience of international law. I wouldn't want to make it, but it could be made. Like I said before, I voted for Stalin. Perhaps nobody in history has ever been as far above the law as Stalin was, so far up that he didn't even recognize that any kind of law other than his own existed. That's a totally different beastie than going out and slaughtering millions, particularly while embroiled in a war. Death != Dictator. Absolute rule == Dictator.

Dude! Hitler!

hitler=worst person to end up a dictator.

mao, however, killed more people.
so did stalin. and check your history books for info on how many colleagues, friends, and rivals stalin had shot.

hitler can't compete with that kind of nastiness. 1 vote for Stalin.

Adolf Hilter....hands down. He's responsible for the deaths of 60+ million plus in the Second World War, not including the 10-13 million killed in the Holocaust.

Josef Stalin is a close second. He's at twenty million plus. Definitely the worst Communist dictator. *Waits to get the typical Leftist "But Stalin wasn't a Commie!!!!1!1one!1!!" response*

Mao Zedong was a vicious murderer, who may have killed as many as Stalin.....

Saddam Hussein is the only person to authorize the use of posion gas (not including executions, of course) on anyone since the First World War...he's also responsible for killing two million people....

General Mohammed Suharto is definitely on the list. He's at around two million, as well....

Fidel Castro is a vicious dictator, don't get me wrong, but he's a wanna-be dictator......he's like the baby the USSR had, but then neglected...

I would never consider George W. Bush a dictator, namely because he hasn't done anything to deserve that title. *Waits for the typical Leftist "OMG!!1!1!one! BU$H IS DICTATOR!!!one!1!1!!" response.*

Dude, you forgot to put, "Me!" It's just not the same when you don't put that. I'll add my two cents, if I haven't done so already:

Ho Chi Minh- He's not number one in terms of body count, but in sheer brutality

Others (in no particular order): Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Lenin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin, Deng Xiaoping, Souphanouvang, Castro, Daniel Ortega, Mobuto Sese Seko, Kwame Nkrumah, Sekou Toure, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, the Ayatollah Khomeini, Ne Win, Suharto, Sukarno, Ngo Dinh Diem, Papa Doc Duvalier, Baby Doc Duvalier, Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, Hideki Tojo, Walter Ulbricht, Mussolini, Romulo Betancourt, Jacobo Arbenz, Ahmed Ben Bella, Nelson Mandela, Islam Karinov, Hun Sen, Pham Van Dong, Yasser Arafat, Robert Mugabe, Park Chung Hee (even though he did do wonders for the Korean economy), and dozens of other Third World Thugs I can't think of off the top of my head.

Hitler, I can see the arguement for Stalin, but he didn't start a world war that killed millions and kill 6 million jews.


just saw the poll and I don't think GW can be classified as a dictator because he was elected by the democratic process of his nation

And on a side note, that is debatable.

How are we gonna tell Iraq that they have to be a democracy when we aren't even a democracy?

The US is a republic - people tend to use that term interchangeably with democracy

Where is Pol Pot?

The US is a republic - people tend to use that term interchangeably with democracy

Where is Pol Pot?
I never said we were a democracy. In fact, if you'll read what you quoted, I said we weren't a democracy. But since we don't have to be a democracy and we can allow a person who lost by 500,000 votes to take the presidency to some sham of a system we call the Electoral college, then why do we go around the world making othe countries abide to the rules of democracy?

Now we find out two things; the biggest dictator evar11!! and whether I can make these poll thingies work.


Bush is NOT a dictator. :rolleyes:

I never said we were a democracy. In fact, if you'll read what you quoted, I said we weren't a democracy. But since we don't have to be a democracy and we can allow a person who lost by 500,000 votes to take the presidency to some sham of a system we call the Electoral college, then why do we go around the world making othe countries abide to the rules of democracy?

I was trying to say that we will install a republican system on iraq

I was trying to say that we will install a republican system on iraq


You can't, Iraq isn't big enough for that.

I was trying to say that we will install a republican system on iraq
Then why are we claiming to bring democracy to the world?

You can't, Iraq isn't big enough for that.


Sure it is

How many direct democracies can you name?

Then why are we claiming to bring democracy to the world?

People are stupid

Pure democracy cannot subsist long nor be carried far into the departments of state, it is very subject to caprice and the madness of popular rage.

John Witherspoon, Signer of the Declaration

Other dictators worth mentioning: Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt.

Not surprisingly, 22 morons voted for George Bush as Biggest Dictator.

If you don't like George W. Bush, fine. Vote for Kerry, or Nader, or whomever you like. But, first, pull your head out of your ass and realize the ignorance of your vote on this poll.

Saddam Hussein is the only person to authorize the use of posion gas (not including executions, of course) on anyone since the First World War...he's also responsible for killing two million people....
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Wrong, the USA used chemical weapons in Vietnam, I know of people who died years later from their exposure to handling the weapons in Vietnam.

Also it is accepted by mainstream historians that the Soviets used a lot of biological and chemical weapons in Afghanistan.

I say Hitler, and if he hadn't made the mistake of holding two fronts during the war, he would have been successful.

I say Hitler, and if he hadn't made the mistake of holding two fronts during the war, he would have been successful.

That would have been exceedingly difficult to do, probably impossible.

Not surprisingly, 22 morons voted for George Bush as Biggest Dictator.

If you don't like George W. Bush, fine. Vote for Kerry, or Nader, or whomever you like. But, first, pull your head out of your ass and realize the ignorance of your vote on this poll.

Yeah, I hate bush as much as the next guy, but there are limits. He doesn't even come close to holding a candle to Stalin or Hitler or anyone else that can be classified as a real dictator.

That would have been exceedingly difficult to do, probably impossible.
no it wouldn't have, he just wouldn't have attacked the soviets until he conquered the rest of europe, then he could have crushed russia from both sides with the japs. He should have kept the non-aggression packt he had with russia, bottom line, if he wanted to win that is.

Wrong, the USA used chemical weapons in Vietnam, I know of people who died years later from their exposure to handling the weapons in Vietnam.

Indeed they did, 19 million gallons of agent orange alone.

Then why are we claiming to bring democracy to the world?
ever heard of a democratic republic? that's what he means.

Personally I go by the size of the Dictator Mustache (tm). Observe.

Stalin
http://www.marxists.org/glossary/people/s/pics/stalin.gif

vs

Hitler
http://193.78.190.200/cigads/hitler.jpg

No comparison! Stalin's mustache is clearly much large throughout his life, whereas the above sees Hitler's mustache in an unusually large moment, not even equalling Stalin's Stache.

And then of course, Mussolini and GW Bush don't even have mustaches at all! Boo, disqualified!

Castro is a bit tricky. He has quite a bit of facial hair...

http://www.ahtg.net/castro.jpg

But the actual mustache part isn't terribly impressive. What's more, it's made even less impressive by the presence of all that beard. One might even say the beard is his prominent hair and the mustache, far from being a Dictator Mustache, might only be just a north- and central-ward expansion of the beard! Boo, disqualified!

http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/6/60/Saddambeard.jpg

Sit down, Saddam. You're just trying to look like Castro. Disqualified.

lol

lol
If you just disqualify people without facial hair that works too, I have a preposition, if you simply must have a US president up there take out bush and put up lincoln, he was the closest thing we've ever had, and he had a beard!

That would have been exceedingly difficult to do, probably impossible.
That is true, but he still would have had a greater chance, especially if he didn't piss off the Russians, who were sort of his allies. They were his undoing. The Americans didn't do much until the Russians broke down the Germans.

That is true, but he still would have had a greater chance, especially if he didn't piss off the Russians, who were sort of his allies. They were his undoing. The Americans didn't do much until the Russians broke down the Germans.
Yeah, the whole stalingrad thing really hurt the germans across the board. Monumental waste of supplies and soldiers, if I remember correctly more people died in stalingrad than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

I think Stalin was the tallest, but Musollini probably wieghed more.
Castro has been putting on the pounds lately, but can he match Musollini?
:)

What about Julius Ceasor, Caligula, Peter the Great, Gengis Khan, Ho Chi Min, Alexander, Kim Jong Il (or his dad), or Agamemnon? Were any of them big?

Yeah, the whole stalingrad thing really hurt the germans across the board. Monumental waste of supplies and soldiers, if I remember correctly more people died in stalingrad than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

250,000 Axis troops were lost in Stalingrad
350,000 Axis trooops were lost in Tunisia

It wasn't a monumental waste of supplies and soldiers, the capture of Stalingrad would have hurt Soviet morale, and since it was a marshaling center for what was left of the Southern Front it was needed by the Soviets. Of course, once the Soviets counterattacked it became a waste, but Hitler was obsessed with no retreating.

But you can't count the effect of a battle on terms of numbers, more troops were lost in Tunisia, and it knocked Germany out of a theatre of war, but the losses at Stalingrad were more devestating becuase of the strategic and morale situation on the Eastern Front. Hiroshima and Nagasaki ended a war, Stalingrad simply shortened one. There were many more battles that ate up German armies more than Stalingrad, the Bagration Offensive destroyed Army Group Centre (An Army Group is several Armies working together), the Ukraine offensives destroyed Army Group South, the Normandy battle destroyed Army Group B, and the Dragoon offensive destroyed Army Group G, all of these, with the exception of Army Group G, which wasn't really destroyed but never had much, cost the Germans a lot more than Stalingrad.