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According to th US Bureau of the Census:


Less than 1% of Americans are athiest. Interesting as athiest always force their views on others at gun point.

Americans view the rest of the world as being just plain lazy.

Athiests force their points at gunpoint? When? Where? How? More than theists?

Athiests force their points at gunpoint? When? Where? How? More than theists?
Theists believe in freedom of religion, atheists do not. Atheists want to ban all religion. And atheists want to censor all speech they don't agree with.

Athiests force their points at gunpoint? When? Where? How? More than theists?

Thiests seem to force their points onto you because we think we have something good to share.

Theists believe in freedom of religion, atheists do not. Atheists want to ban all religion. And atheists want to censor all speech they don't agree with.

Prove it.

Thiests seem to force their points onto you because we think we have something good to share.

And we don't? We're just trying to be mean?

And we don't? We're just trying to be mean?
yes

Whittier is that why you want God to Bless only America and the rest of the world to go to hell? Because you are so religious and compassionate?

nice... well Im not religious, but I am not an atheist either.

so from my non-biased viewpoint I have seen no forcing of beliefs by atheists and VERY MUCH forcing of beliefs by mainly Christians.

Also I have seen MANY MANY christians say that America is a Christian nation and the laws shoudl be based on Christian values.

I'm not saying all of them are liek this but much more than any atheist.

Theists believe in freedom of religion, atheists do not. Atheists want to ban all religion. And atheists want to censor all speech they don't agree with.

Ban religion? Censor ALL speech they don't agree with? Did you have a bad run-in with an idiot claiming to be an atheist?

Whittier is that why you want God to Bless only America and the rest of the world to go to hell? Because you are so religious and compassionate?

nice... well Im not religious, but I am not an atheist either.

so from my non-biased viewpoint I have seen no forcing of beliefs by atheists and VERY MUCH forcing of beliefs by mainly Christians.

Also I have seen MANY MANY christians say that America is a Christian nation and the laws shoudl be based on Christian values.

I'm not saying all of them are liek this but much more than any atheist.
If our laws weren't based on the christian bible, we would not be rich as we are economically, nor as powerful militarily.
The rest of the world has atheist governments and they are all poor and pathetically weak.

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Don't worry, your invisible friend will make me go away soon.

If our laws weren't based on the christian bible, we would not be rich as we are economically, nor as powerful militarily.
The rest of the world has atheist governments and they are all poor and pathetically weak.

Iran has an atheist goverment?

If our laws weren't based on the christian bible, we would not be rich as we are economically, nor as powerful militarily.
The rest of the world has atheist governments and they are all poor and pathetically weak.

You mean like the Atheist government of Iran?

Your world view is utterly retarded.

Iran has an atheist goverment?
It has nonchristian government. That's why it is so messed up.

You must not have been here when it was disproved that the Laws were based on the Christian bible.

Eitehr that or you chose to ignore it and you are just trollign which is what it really looks like due to your apparent complete lack of common sense.

And we don't? We're just trying to be mean?

we all think we have something nice to share, so why don't we stop accusing others of forcing stuff down your throats, ok? it's a really redundant argument...

You mean like the Atheist government of Iran?

Your world view is utterly retarded.
That would be the government which has managed to grab wealth for themselves, as opposed to the people in the country. Interestingly Saud has a huge average income, however most people are pathetically poor, because they hve no opportunity to gain the wealth.

Iran has an atheist goverment?

Funny how Iran is the first that springs to mind... :)

You must not have been here when it was disproved that the Laws were based on the Christian bible.

Eitehr that or you chose to ignore it and you are just trollign which is what it really looks like due to your apparent complete lack of common sense.
Trolling:

Making a statement that other people don't agree with, and that must be censored cause others don't agree with it.

Theists believe in freedom of religion, atheists do not. Atheists want to ban all religion. And atheists want to censor all speech they don't agree with.

Atheists do not want to ban all religion, they simply do not believe in G-d. To say ALL atheists want to force their beliefs down everyone's throats is purely asinine. Especially when you look at laws and gorvernment policies G-d worshiping religions manipulate to suit them. Atheists, the majority of them, just do not want to be forced to listen to propaganda from other religions. Asking the governemtn of America to honor their own constitution and have a government free of religion, is not shoving it down anyone's throat at gunpoint. Also, atheism is not the absence of religion, it is the disbelief in G-d. So, before you go making ignorant rants you should really do your homework so you sound less ignorant.

we all think we have something nice to share, so why don't we stop accusing others of forcing stuff down your throats, ok? it's a really redundant argument...

Look at it like this; You have strawberry pie, I have applie pie. We both think our pie is great, and that the other would like it a lot. And fortunately most of us have the common sense and decensy not to shove our cake into the other's face.
I'm glad you and I at least are able to act in a mature fashion about this.

Funny how Iran is the first that springs to mind... :)

Yeah well, it does have a pretty non-atheist goverment.

Trolling:

Making a statement that other people don't agree with, and that must be censored cause others don't agree with it.

Kinda sounds like your view on everything not American/religious.

Atheists do not want to ban all religion, they simply do not believe in G-d. To say ALL atheists want to force their beliefs down everyone's throats is purely asinine. Especially when you look at laws and gorvernment policies G-d worshiping religions manipulate to suit them. Atheists, the majority of them, just do not want to be forced to listen to propaganda from other religions. Asking the governemtn of America to honor their own constitution and have a government free of religion, is not shoving it down anyone's throat at gunpoint. Also, atheism is not the absence of religion, it is the disbelief in G-d. So, before you go making ignorant rants you should really do your homework so you sound less ignorant.
That is why you always go to court to ban the pledge of allegiance, to put kids in jail for having bibles with them in school, to force counties to change their county seals to remove crosses even though the cross was a very important part of the history of that county.
And atheists were giving money to the sudanese government to kill christians.

I am a theist, Christian in particular. However, I believe in absolute seperation of Church and State. Anything that has to do with religion presented in anything other than a scholarly context should not have anything to do with government.

The thing is, it's called a faith for a reason: There is not proof, or even evidence, towards one religions or another. We have no clue what is the metaphysical nature of the universe. The guess we make is our religion. And we don't find out whether our guess is right or not until after we die.

Whittier, the idea that any government should base its laws on a religion is messed up, for lack of better words. The idea that God favors any one country because of the beliefs of its populace is messed up. And the idea that America is the best country in the world just because it has the largest economy is messed up. I don't care how rich or how powerful my country is, I care about the happiness of its people.

It's called tolerance, Whittier. The idea that all religions, all cultures, all ethnic groups, all races, should be respected and understood. Learn it.

Interesting as athiest always force their views on others at gun point.

Duwa?

Sorry, but I've know alot of athiests, and all but one of them went out of there way to not make an issue of there being athiest, out of fear of the Christians hounding them and trying to force there (Christian) views on them (the athiests) at, well, gun point.

There was the one guy who wanted to kill anyone who followed any religion, but he eventualy appologized for that once he mellowed out a while latter (He was just venting because something -really- bad happened to him IRL).


Theists believe in freedom of religion, atheists do not.

Interesting. I've generaly found it to be the other way around; Christians trying to kill/suppress/convert other religions and atheists just trying not to get railroaded by them.

Plus, I have a good buddy who is an athiest, who's daughter is a Wiccan and has his full consent. So so much for that theory.

Kinda sounds like your view on everything not American/religious.
If it was not for christian america, the rest of the world would be Hitler's slave's right now.

Look at it like this; You have strawberry pie, I have applie pie. We both think our pie is great, and that the other would like it a lot. And fortunately most of us have the common sense and decensy not to shove our cake into the other's face.
I'm glad you and I at least are able to act in a mature fashion about this.

sure. i'd love to share some of my strawberry pie with you, but i'm definitely not going to jam it down your throat. ;)

GOOD! DECENT PEOPLE!!

OK I guess you have proven yourself to be a troll and not worth responding too but I will keep you off teh ignore list because you are still good for a few laughs and you help me feel better about myself, because I'm not you.

Stupidest thread ever. Please, just let it die people.

Atheists do not want to ban all religion, they simply do not believe in G-d. To say ALL atheists want to force their beliefs down everyone's throats is purely asinine. Especially when you look at laws and gorvernment policies G-d worshiping religions manipulate to suit them. Atheists, the majority of them, just do not want to be forced to listen to propaganda from other religions. Asking the governemtn of America to honor their own constitution and have a government free of religion, is not shoving it down anyone's throat at gunpoint. Also, atheism is not the absence of religion, it is the disbelief in G-d. So, before you go making ignorant rants you should really do your homework so you sound less ignorant.


Thats funny, so instead of listening to others religion propaganda we have to listen to the atheists propaganda. Isn't that what your trying to say tell the government to take out all other religions from the government and replace it with the athiests beliefs.

Okay, Whittier, you're are coming very close to trolling.. I have already locked one of your threads for flamebait.. Keep it up and you will get a formal warning on your nation.

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America's present position in the world has nothing to do with its 'christian' government. It has more to do with world war 2 and the collapse of the british empire (which america is partly responsible) add to that the outcome of the cold war. Whitter, are you familiar with your own constitution? the way i understand it, you have a separation of church and state, religion isn't practiced in your schools and the word 'god' has been removed from your pledge of aligance. As such, although your president is a christian, your govenmental machine is not.

Then look at my country, we all know Prime Minister Blair is a devout christian, and our country is not as strong as america. Our head of state, the Queen, is head of the church, yet our country is not as powerful as yours.

Religion has nothing to do with political strength, unless that religion directly impacts on the style of government (such as in iran).

As for christians trying to force its view on the world, how about the thousands of missions that are sent to africa? and what about the Jehova's witnesses? I've never had someone come to my door and ask 'excuse me sir, have you heard of atheism? our god can't save you because he isn't real, would you like to donate some money?' no i haven't

If it was not for christian america, the rest of the world would be Hitler's slave's right now.

I'm sure you'd have loved that, what with Nazi Germany being a christian state where church and state were amalgamated.

Everytime Whittier opens his mouth I hate him a little more. It's quite interesting.

sure. i'd love to share some of my strawberry pie with you, but i'm definitely not going to jam it down your throat. ;)

GOOD! DECENT PEOPLE!!

Only if you have some of my apple pie. ;)

If our laws weren't based on the christian bible, we would not be rich as we are economically, nor as powerful militarily.
The rest of the world has atheist governments and they are all poor and pathetically weak.

rofl

Howcome then that US isn't ranked as the number 1 country to live in?

America's present position in the world has nothing to do with its 'christian' government. It has more to do with world war 2 and the collapse of the british empire (which america is partly responsible) add to that the outcome of the cold war. Whitter, are you familiar with your own constitution? the way i understand it, you have a separation of church and state, religion isn't practiced in your schools and the word 'god' has been removed from your pledge of aligance. As such, although your president is a christian, your govenmental machine is not.

Then look at my country, we all know Prime Minister Blair is a devout christian, and our country is not as strong as america. Our head of state, the Queen, is head of the church, yet our country is not as powerful as yours.

Religion has nothing to do with political strength, unless that religion directly impacts on the style of government (such as in iran).

As for christians trying to force its view on the world, how about the thousands of missions that are sent to africa? and what about the Jehova's witnesses? I've never had someone come to my door and ask 'excuse me sir, have you heard of atheism? our god can't save you because he isn't real, would you like to donate some money?' no i haven't

America destroyed Britain. Cause we are better than they are and they have to do what we tell them.
The Constitution does not ban religion from public life. It only mandates government neutrality. Athiests don't believe in government neutrality.
Only in the 1960's did the supreme court ban prayer from schools. But it did not ban stuff like bible studies. In fact, it has ruled over and over that bible studies are constitutionally protected.
And the US supreme court overturned the 9th circuits ruling on the Pledge of Allegiance, saying the words under god can stay.

rofl

Howcome then that US isn't ranked as the number 1 country to live in?
It is, cause everyone wants to move here and live here.

Also the US Supreme Court even said that athiests force their views on everyone else. That is why it overturned the 9th circuit decision regarding the pledge of allegiance.

rofl

Howcome then that US isn't ranked as the number 1 country to live in?

Liberal propaganda I bet. *rolls his eyes*

I'm sure you'd have loved that, what with Nazi Germany being a christian state where church and state were amalgamated.
Hitler was not christian, he was a jew.

bugger there are radicals everywhere, but then its not like the 99% that are not athiests are all the same religion. sure most are christian but there lots of Hindus, sikhs, muslims, jews, etc. it seems to me that christians try to flex alot of muscle and act like there the only ones here, and these people totally go against what there christian religion emphasizes. besides this country is supposed to make the "little people" feel comfortable too. no offense but id consider the athiests the little people if they have less than one percent.

As for christians trying to force its view on the world, how about the thousands of missions that are sent to africa? and what about the Jehova's witnesses? I've never had someone come to my door and ask 'excuse me sir, have you heard of atheism? our god can't save you because he isn't real, would you like to donate some money?' no i haven't


i have never had someone come to my door and ask'excuse me sir, have you heard of jehova's witnesses' Athiest do just as much breaching as any other religion. They do all of that stuff you just said, they are in the news, in the paper, holding rallies among other things. So they are just doing the same thing as other religions are so you can't sit here and tell me that aren't the same.

It is, cause everyone wants to move here and live here.What kind of Sunday School did you go to man?

bugger there are radicals everywhere, but then its not like the 99% that are not athiests are all the same religion. sure most are christian but there lots of Hindus, sikhs, muslims, jews, etc. it seems to me that christians try to flex alot of muscle and act like there the only ones here, and these people totally go against what there christian religion emphasizes. besides this country is supposed to make the "little people" feel comfortable too. no offense but id consider the athiests the little people if they have less than one percent.
According to the census, Christians are 70% of America.

If our laws weren't based on the christian bible, we would not be rich as we are economically, nor as powerful militarily.
The rest of the world has atheist governments and they are all poor and pathetically weak.

An ignorant point of view. Japan's laws are not based on the Christian bible and they are the second richest country in the world; they are rapidly catching up on the US after they lost their title as the wealthiest nation on the planet.

Religion does not equate wealth; sensibility, logic and good sense does.

Athiests force their points at gunpoint? When? Where? How? More than theists?
Theists believe in freedom of religion,
Do they?

atheists do not.
Don't they?

Atheists want to ban all religion.
Do they?

And atheists want to censor all speech they don't agree with.
Do they?

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Hitler was not christian, he was a jew.
buggery hitler was not a jew! u sick man. granted he wasnt christian, but a jew, yer disturbed

An ignorant point of view. Japan's laws are not based on the Christian bible and they are the second richest country in the world; they are rapidly catching up on the US after they lost their title as the wealthiest nation on the planet.

Religion does not equate wealth; sensibility, logic and good sense does.
We are still the wealthiest on the planet.
Japan only has the crumbs we throw at them cause we own Japan justlike we own Europe. And we own Russia too.

According to the census, Christians are 70% of America.
aye i heard 72% yer much more up to date then i am, but wats yer point? America fights for the underdog

According to th US Bureau of the Census:


Less than 1% of Americans are athiest. Interesting as athiest always force their views on others at gun point.

Americans view the rest of the world as being just plain lazy.

funny, my US Census numbers show 13% of Americans as atheist, agnostic, or secular humanist...that's more than any other non-Christian group in the country.

buggery hitler was not a jew! u sick man. granted he wasnt christian, but a jew, yer disturbed
Where did you learn your history. Hitler was jewish.
He did the holocaust to get back at his dad who was a drunk and beat him and his mother constantly until he killed her in a drunken rage.
He blamed it on the jews cause his parents were jewish. He hated his own people.
If you didn't know Hitler was a jew, then you really are ignorant.

According to the census, Christians are 70% of America.

and according to history, more than 70% of living humans at one time believed that the world was flat. what's your point? a whole lot of people can be wrong about the same thing at the same time.

hell, 20% of Americans believe we found WMD in Iraq last year! i'd say that 20% automatically becomes irrelevent in serious discussion, since their opinions clearly have no basis in reality.

We are still the wealthiest on the planet.
Japan only has the crumbs we throw at them cause we own Japan justlike we own Europe. And we own Russia too.In a situation like this all I can do is half close my eyes half way, open my mouth half way, and raise and open palms to the sky level with my shoulders.

*puts up a "Do not feed the troll" sign*

We are still the wealthiest on the planet.
Japan only has the crumbs we throw at them cause we own Japan justlike we own Europe. And we own Russia too.
You are sick! its that attutude that makes everyone hate america. cant u see u and yer manifest destiny will bring america down. it will crumble like the roman empire.

I have no take on this issue, but what I read from Forum Feline I found quite interesting:
I don't care how rich or how powerful my country is, I care about the happiness of its people.

You may not care about how your country is doing militarily, but I feel that the activeness in my country has helped quite a bit in the deterrence of others from doing radical things, which is what keeps me happy.
What you said reminded me of a quote that I read in a book called Imperative of American Leadership in 1996 by Joshua Muravchik (a professor at Georgetown University):

"America is no longer small, nor is it just one power among others. Its power has largely shaped the world we know, and its decisive weight is the ballast that provides what stability the world of nations enjoys. Imagine for a moment the world of today without the United States or in which the united States withdrew into a policy of "fortress America." We can predict that Japan would rearm, and probably, "go nuclear," as would Germany. Russia, where everything else is going wrong, would be irresistibly tempted to compensate by exerting its chief asset, its supreme military power. Moderate Arab regimes would fall before the onslaught of Islamic radicalism, compelling Israel to put its nuclear arsenal on a hair trigger. Competition and mutual distrust between China and Japan and between Russia and Germany would mount. Would World War III be very far from hand? What makes this scenario unlikely is the presence of America, which gives some measue of security all around. The basis for world peace is that there is one preeminent power, and it is peaceful and non-aggrandizing."

That's why I am happy, because there is one nation in this world that "has our backs" just a little more than others, more enough so that no other powerful nation would risk damage.

If it was not for christian america, the rest of the world would be Hitler's slave's right now.

Yeah, right. I mean Sovjet hadn't Germany on the run before D-Day.

You are amussingly ignorant tbh.

aye i heard 72% yer much more up to date then i am, but wats yer point? America fights for the underdog
I gave the conservative estimate.
The most recent study shows 94% of americans being christian. But when any study claims that big a number you have to account for biases in the reporting and in how the question was asked.

and according to history, more than 70% of living humans at one time believed that the world was flat. what's your point? a whole lot of people can be wrong about the same thing at the same time.

hell, 20% of Americans believe we found WMD in Iraq last year! i'd say that 20% automatically becomes irrelevent in serious discussion, since their opinions clearly have no basis in reality.
so you don't consider Sarin gas to be WMD?

Sometimes I wonder why we stopped feeding these people to the lions.
Then I smile, and thank God they make up only less than 1% of the population.

I gave the conservative estimate.
The most recent study shows 94% of americans being christian. But when any study claims that big a number you have to account for biases in the reporting and in how the question was asked.Did you just deny what you just said?

Theists believe in freedom of religion, atheists do not. Atheists want to ban all religion. And atheists want to censor all speech they don't agree with.

Yes, I think you are right. I mean the First Commandment says "I'm God and you will not have no other god but Me", or something like that. This is obviously the basis for freedom of relgion, coded in the Christian laws of the USA.

It makes perfect sense.

Where did you learn your history. Hitler was jewish.
He did the holocaust to get back at his dad who was a drunk and beat him and his mother constantly until he killed her in a drunken rage.
He blamed it on the jews cause his parents were jewish. He hated his own people.
If you didn't know Hitler was a jew, then you really are ignorant.
aye hitlers father MAY have been jewish. were did u learn yers mate. that is speculation that people have ropmaniticised. anyways since when is the religion of yer drunkard father the one u have to be. And he didnt hate his mother, he prbly had an oedipus complex wiv her. and theres also popular belief that his mother died from pnuemonia, and his father ran away when he was a boy. Also Hitler had other reasons for hating jews, they had the money and he was broke!

You are sick! its that attutude that makes everyone hate america. cant u see u and yer manifest destiny will bring america down. it will crumble like the roman empire.
Manifest destiny made AMerica the great nation what it is today. We just need to annex some more land.
Like Baja California and British Columbia.

Theists believe in freedom of religion, atheists do not. Atheists want to ban all religion. And atheists want to censor all speech they don't agree with.
you are seriosuly retarded.

I am athiest, and I am having religion crammed down my throat 24/7. I think it's great that people believe in something, unlike me. I don't care if anyone is ahtiest or not, just as long as they don't cram it down my throat, which they do most of the time.

I think that Whittier should stop debating because all he is doing is weakening his argument.

Manifest destiny made AMerica the great nation what it is today. We just need to annex some more land.
Like Baja California and British Columbia.
yer joking right, america was using manifest destiny at the same time britian was killing zulus and colonizing every corner of the planet, but look theyve grown up. yes there may have been a time for manifest destiny but that time is dead.

American economics have a strong basis in the values of Calvinism. Yeah, remember that old religion that the Puritans held to? That's why the rich are so rich. Ask any lower-class American what they think of American economics and how fair the system is.

Atheism is not the organized structure that you make it out to be. Atheism is not even a philosophy. Atheism is simply the lack of a god-belief. Yes, there are some groups that organize under the name, but not even the most infamous among them strives for the banning of speech. The only group that fights hard for that is the Religious Right--you know, Christians.

I know your preacher told you that American Atheists tried to ban religious programming on the air. Look it up under reliable resources. That NEVER happened. It was an urban myth cooked by paranoid ministers and reactionary church ladies.

The only time you'll see an atheist get activistic is when religious hardliners are trying to push their agendas into American law. We do value the separation of church and state--and you know what? So do SMART religious folks. There are several organizations led by Baptist ministers that are pro-separation!

The party who started this forum just stuck his large-sized, Bible-thumping foot in his/her mouth. Check the facts and look outside your narrow vision to find truth in humanity. Otherwise, you're just spewing bile and hate. Don't we have enough of that in America?

It is, cause everyone wants to move here and live here.

Guess that's why it's not even on top-5 in the report by the UN?

And btw, everyone isn't true. I don't wanna live there.

Time to wake up and stop wraping yourself in wool so you can't see the world?

you are seriosuly retarded.

I am athiest, and I am having religion crammed down my throat 24/7. I think it's great that people believe in something, unlike me. I don't care if anyone is ahtiest or not, just as long as they don't cram it down my throat, which they do most of the time.
cheers mate

Athiests do a lot less "throat shoving" than theists, trust me. Anytime I get into a relgious debate, I'm always careful not to bash religion and just say why I feel what I do. Inevitabley, though, I always end up receiving a sermon about how I'm going to hell.

How can you defend that?

Its not a bad idea thou i am not. but just let people be whatever they want. If you want to be hindu then do it and the government should not get into it. Religion has no place in politics. and thats just my opinion

you are seriosuly retarded.

I am athiest, and I am having religion crammed down my throat 24/7. I think it's great that people believe in something, unlike me. I don't care if anyone is ahtiest or not, just as long as they don't cram it down my throat, which they do most of the time.
THen you should leave America and go to china where religion is banned and everyone is required to be athiest.

Wasn't it Hitler's Grandfather who was Jewish, but Hitler killed people not by their beliefs but say if they looked Jewish.

i think whittier has problems grasping the fact that christianity is one of several religions in america, he claims all this crap bout theisist when he just means christians. wat about hindus?

That is why you always go to court to ban the pledge of allegiance, to put kids in jail for having bibles with them in school, to force counties to change their county seals to remove crosses even though the cross was a very important part of the history of that county.
And atheists were giving money to the sudanese government to kill christians.

The thing with the cross on LA County's seal is this: it wasn't there until the 1950s (kinda like "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance) and so, while the Catholic Church and its missions played a major role in the extermination and oppression and virtual enslavement of native peoples here, the cross on the seal does not have the historicity that its proponents claim.

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If our laws weren't based on the christian bible, we would not be rich as we are economically, nor as powerful militarily.
The rest of the world has atheist governments and they are all poor and pathetically weak.

Excuse me? The Constitution permits freedom of religion. The Bible repeatedly states that worshipping other gods is expressly forbidden, and encourages genocide against those who aren't part of your religion. The Flood in Genesis was god killing off anyone he deemed sinful (and in both the Old and New testaments, the most important commandment is to worship Jehovah only) the entire book of Joshua was glorifying genocide against the pagan Canaanites. The god portrayed in the Bible has more in common with the Nazis then the Framers of the American constitution.

Some other things illegal in America that are approved in the Bible:

Slavery

Genesis 9:25-27

"And he [Noah] said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. "

God is basically saying the Canaanites deserve a life of servitude.

Ephesians 6:5

Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.

Colossians 3:22

Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh,
with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ.

Titus 2:9-10

Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.

1st Peter 2:18

Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the forward.

4 verses that approve of servitude, or slavery, depending on the Translation (these are all quotes from NKJ bible)

Women's Rights

American economics have a strong basis in the values of Calvinism. Yeah, remember that old religion that the Puritans held to? That's why the rich are so rich. Ask any lower-class American what they think of American economics and how fair the system is.

Atheism is not the organized structure that you make it out to be. Atheism is not even a philosophy. Atheism is simply the lack of a god-belief. Yes, there are some groups that organize under the name, but not even the most infamous among them strives for the banning of speech. The only group that fights hard for that is the Religious Right--you know, Christians.

I know your preacher told you that American Atheists tried to ban religious programming on the air. Look it up under reliable resources. That NEVER happened. It was an urban myth cooked by paranoid ministers and reactionary church ladies.

The only time you'll see an atheist get activistic is when religious hardliners are trying to push their agendas into American law. We do value the separation of church and state--and you know what? So do SMART religious folks. There are several organizations led by Baptist ministers that are pro-separation!

The party who started this forum just stuck his large-sized, Bible-thumping foot in his/her mouth. Check the facts and look outside your narrow vision to find truth in humanity. Otherwise, you're just spewing bile and hate. Don't we have enough of that in America?

That is why you put a little kid in jail cause she was praying in class in a public school.

Wasn't it Hitler's Grandfather who was Jewish, but Hitler killed people not by their beliefs but say if they looked Jewish.
aye i think yer right, im srry if i was wrong.

We are still the wealthiest on the planet.
Japan only has the crumbs we throw at them cause we own Japan justlike we own Europe. And we own Russia too.

actually... you shoukld educate yourself and get a bit enlighted. Then read what you wrote here. That would give you a good laugh.

Oh, and about hitler. He was Jewish by 1/4 or so. But that hardly makes him a believing jew.

i think whittier has problems grasping the fact that christianity is one of several religions in america, he claims all this crap bout theisist when he just means christians. wat about hindus?And arabs, jews, melmanacks.

That is why you put a little kid in jail cause she was praying in class in a public school.
i dont mean to sound offensive, i never heard of that, not meaning it didnt happen, i just didnt hear it. so i ask when the devil did that happen?

Where did you learn your history. Hitler was jewish.
He did the holocaust to get back at his dad who was a drunk and beat him and his mother constantly until he killed her in a drunken rage.
He blamed it on the jews cause his parents were jewish. He hated his own people.
If you didn't know Hitler was a jew, then you really are ignorant.

lol, if you have been told he was 100% a jew then you have been told very wrong.

The thing with the cross on LA County's seal is this: it wasn't there until the 1950s (kinda like "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance) and so, while the Catholic Church and its missions played a major role in the extermination and oppression and virtual enslavement of native peoples here, the cross on the seal does not have the historicity that its proponents claim.

Emil Flattar
That is a lie.
We have had our seal since we became a county in the US of A.
That is why it will be restored through the referendum process and all atheist will be removed from all public offices in California. Cause they are all bigots.

And arabs, jews, melmanacks.
exactly, i wish these pratts that go around talking bout our country would read the first part of our bloody first ammendment

If it was not for christian america, the rest of the world would be Hitler's slave's right now.

The atheist Soviet Union contributed far more to the defeat of Hitler's ermany than the US did. About the only way for Hitler to have won that war would have been through a brokered alliance with either the US or the UK; they bit off more than they could chew and choked on it.


Emil Flattar

What the??? Arab is not a religion...

That is a lie.
We have had our seal since we became a county in the US of A.
That is why it will be restored through the referendum process and all atheist will be removed from all public offices in California. Cause they are all bigots.
this whole things been a major joke right

That is a lie.
We have had our seal since we became a county in the US of A.
That is why it will be restored through the referendum process and all atheist will be removed from all public offices in California. Cause they are all bigots.

And fire shall rain from the skies! And the seas shall be as blood. And the Rightious shall fall before the wicked. There shall by much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
One third of all the trees shall be burned, and all the stars will fall from the skies, and then pop up again and be eaten by a dragon, or something.
And badgers will gnaw at the toes of the unbelievers, and the liberals, and the Lord will say "Dude, wtf have I been smoking?"

What the??? Arab is not a religion...
aye tats true, i think they meant muslim though, who knows maybe they were talking bout zorastorians im sure weve got some of those in our country

Without trying to avoid the question with some non sequitur or go on to make some sweeping generalization, read this for me. How do you propose to defend the statement that America is a Christian nation in terms of its government and economic layout?


"The government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian Religion."
-President George Washington

"I do not find in Christianity one redeeming feature."
-President Thomas Jefferson

"The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my religion."
-President Abraham Lincoln

"A just government has no need for the clergy or the church. The fruits of Christianity are pride and indolence in the clergy, ignorance and servility n the laity; and in both clergy and laity, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
-President James Madison

"The United States is not a Christian Nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation."
-Treaty of Tripoli (1797)
signed by John Adams

"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them."

~ Abraham Lincoln

“I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absented myself from Christian assemblies.”

-Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father and inventor

"I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of the postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe."

~ William Howard Taft, 27th US President

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under whick weak minds are serviley crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god, because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blind faith."
-Thomas Jefferson

“The hocus-pocus phantasy of a God, like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs.”

-- Thomas Jefferson, US President

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."

~ Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

"If there is a God, he is a malign thug."

-- Mark Twain

"Whittier has just been 0WN3D."

-- Ross Wolfe, aka me

Excuse me? The Constitution permits freedom of religion. The Bible repeatedly states that worshipping other gods is expressly forbidden, and encourages genocide against those who aren't part of your religion. The Flood in Genesis was god killing off anyone he deemed sinful (and in both the Old and New testaments, the most important commandment is to worship Jehovah only) the entire book of Joshua was glorifying genocide against the pagan Canaanites. The god portrayed in the Bible has more in common with the Nazis then the Framers of the American constitution.

Some other things illegal in America that are approved in the Bible:

Slavery

Genesis 9:25-27

"And he [Noah] said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. "

God is basically saying the Canaanites deserve a life of servitude.

Ephesians 6:5

Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.

Colossians 3:22

Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh,
with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ.

Titus 2:9-10

Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.

1st Peter 2:18

Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the forward.

4 verses that approve of servitude, or slavery, depending on the Translation (these are all quotes from NKJ bible)

Women's Rights

The constitution does not ban religion from the public place. Athiests are saying seperation of church and state means banning religion from the public place.
There is nothing wrong with slavery as long as the slaves were enslaved for breaking the law.
Canaanites were killed cause they refused to give up their land and submit to Hebrew rule.
Women have rights in the Bible they just not allowed to be preists.

What the??? Arab is not a religion...

Nope, it's all a liberal conspiracy to keep the Amish in power.

Whittier, prove that atheists force their view on others.

And arabs, jews, melmanacks.
The other groups together make up less than 20% of the US population.

American economics have a strong basis in the values of Calvinism. Yeah, remember that old religion that the Puritans held to? That's why the rich are so rich. Ask any lower-class American what they think of American economics and how fair the system is.

Atheism is not the organized structure that you make it out to be. Atheism is not even a philosophy. Atheism is simply the lack of a god-belief. Yes, there are some groups that organize under the name, but not even the most infamous among them strives for the banning of speech. The only group that fights hard for that is the Religious Right--you know, Christians.

I know your preacher told you that American Atheists tried to ban religious programming on the air. Look it up under reliable resources. That NEVER happened. It was an urban myth cooked by paranoid ministers and reactionary church ladies.

The only time you'll see an atheist get activistic is when religious hardliners are trying to push their agendas into American law. We do value the separation of church and state--and you know what? So do SMART religious folks. There are several organizations led by Baptist ministers that are pro-separation!

The party who started this forum just stuck his large-sized, Bible-thumping foot in his/her mouth. Check the facts and look outside your narrow vision to find truth in humanity. Otherwise, you're just spewing bile and hate. Don't we have enough of that in America?

Check this site out, looks to me like it's a pretty organized structure. correct me if i'm wrong on that saying Athiests (http://www.atheists.org/)

when Gandhi was asked what he thought about the idea of western civilization he replied "i think its a good idea!"

THen you should leave America and go to china where religion is banned and everyone is required to be athiest.

why?

And you are Christian, right? try moving to the vaticanstate then imo.