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*it should be noted that some cheered what she said but the corporate media censored that fact

Linda Ronstadt Kicked Out for Criticizing Bush
Pop music singer Linda Ronstadt was fired from an engagement at the Alladin Casino in Las Vegas on Saturday after praising Michael Moore's film "Fahrenheith 9/11." Ronstadt dedicated her encore finale of the Eagles song "Desperado" to Moore, whom she described as a "great American patriot who is spreading the truth." Some members of the audience booed the comment and walked out of the show while others cheered

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Actually, she was booed off the stage, if I remember right.

There's no such thing as freedom from consequences. She had the right to say what she wanted. The hotel/casino had the right to kick her out....

Oh noes! She was booed off the stage. You see, this is indisputable proof there is a vast corporate fascist secret society :rolleyes:

Hey MKULTRA. You've got mail.

Wait ....

Linda Ronsdtadt still has a career?!?

There's no such thing as freedom from consequences. She had the right to say what she wanted. The hotel/casino had the right to kick her out....

What rubbish - are you saying that if your boss disagrees with your political views, he should be able to fire you with no more justification than that? What next, your boss should be able to fire you because of your religion, sexuality, race?

Wait ....

Linda Ronsdtadt still has a career?!?

LOL - that was my first reaction. Actually, from the topic title, I thought she had been assassinated by neo-Nazis. :)

What rubbish - are you saying that if your boss disagrees with your political views, he should be able to fire you with no more justification than that? What next, your boss should be able to fire you because of your religion, sexuality, race?

She has the right to speak her mind. The Alladin was not her boss....it merely paid her for providing entertainment that night. The Alladin owner saw that this was bad for business when his customers walked off. The owner of the Alladin has all right to kick someone off his private property. Just as any store owner can prevent anyone they want from being in their store -- their private property....

I tell you, MKULTRA is absolutely right on this one.

The Alladin is in incredibly cheesy hotel!

As for the Linda Ronstadt thing, meh. She's never made a secret of her politics and if her "fans" didn't know that and if this one act is enough for them to boo her, get up and walk out of the concert, vandalize the posters (some of them did) and then demand their money back after sitting through the whole concert, that sounds more like they were just idiotic fans.

The Alladin was within it's rights to fire her, I guess. Although, I'm not sure exactly who they're going to get to play that hell hole now. Celine "Princess of Darkness" Dion is already booked at Caesar's.

She has the right to speak her mind. The Alladin was not her boss....it merely paid her for providing entertainment that night. The Alladin owner saw that this was bad for business when his customers walked off. The owner of the Alladin has all right to kick someone off his private property. Just as any store owner can prevent anyone they want from being in their store -- their private property....

Yeah, but it's not like she made a big political statement or anything, she just dedicated a song. As far as I know, she didn't particularly advocate for Moore, just said, "This song is dedicated to Michael Moore." I mean, if you look at the song's lyrics, you can equally infer that it wasn't meant as a token of support, but more as a warning to Moore that he'd better watch his step.

Yeah, but it's not like she made a big political statement or anything, she just dedicated a song. As far as I know, she didn't particularly advocate for Moore, just said, "This song is dedicated to Michael Moore." I mean, if you look at the song's lyrics, you can equally infer that it wasn't meant as a token of support, but more as a warning to Moore that he'd better watch his step.

The media says that she has dedicated every song she's played in the past year to Moore...and that she called him, quote, a "patriot." While this is, of course, her right....it's also the owner's right to boot her...

Actually, she was booed off the stage, if I remember right.
but cheered by real americans

That is a good point Berk.

And if she has been dedicating every song to Moore in the past year then the Hotel should have known her position already.

Hey MKULTRA. You've got mail.
are you sure?

but cheered by real americans SO people who support Bush are not Americans?

I tell you, MKULTRA is absolutely right on this one.

The Alladin is in incredibly cheesy hotel!

As for the Linda Ronstadt thing, meh. She's never made a secret of her politics and if her "fans" didn't know that and if this one act is enough for them to boo her, get up and walk out of the concert, vandalize the posters (some of them did) and then demand their money back after sitting through the whole concert, that sounds more like they were just idiotic fans.

The Alladin was within it's rights to fire her, I guess. Although, I'm not sure exactly who they're going to get to play that hell hole now. Celine "Princess of Darkness" Dion is already booked at Caesar's.
I think all the celebrities should boycott republican businesses as should everyone else

She has the right to speak her mind. The Alladin was not her boss....it merely paid her for providing entertainment that night. The Alladin owner saw that this was bad for business when his customers walked off. The owner of the Alladin has all right to kick someone off his private property. Just as any store owner can prevent anyone they want from being in their store -- their private property....

We're quibbling over definitions of boss - OK, so she's a contractor, but the Alladin was her employer of that particular period of time.

By your reasoning, if an entertainment venue hired a black singer and some patrons walked out because they didn't like "colored folk", it would be perfectly OK for the management to cancel the rest of his bookings?

SO people who support Bush are not Americans?theyre Bad Americans

At the end of the day, what matters is her contract. If the Alladin had a provision in there that they could terminate it at any time for any reason, then they're within their rights, regardless of the message they're sending. If, however, they broke the contract, she should sue them for every seedy, fluid-stained sheet they've got and hasten the final collapse of that decrepit cess-pit of human greed.

(I've got some issues with the Alladin personally, but I think that might be obvious by now.)

And who are you to judge if someone is "bad" or "good?" You are going the way of some Republicans by declaring Dems anti-patriotic, only you are the opposite: Republicans are anti-patriotic.

are you sure?
I send it myself. So yeah.

She also wasn't exactly "martyred" here. I mean, she's still alive. Sure, she's out of a contract, but she's getting more press than she has in years. Probably going to see a very nice "Dixie Chick Effect" from this as well.

I send it myself. So yeah.
do u mean a TG or an email--cause all I got in my email at the most is a penis enlargement ad

do u mean a TG or an email--cause all I got in my email at the most is a penis enlargement ad
I meant TG.

Ronstadt is a dumb cow! She should have been hung for what she said!

Ronstadt is a dumb cow! She should have been hung for what she said!

No, she should have been hung for that gawdawful Somewhere Out There song.

Thanks for having an undully hostile opinion, though!

You know that the big stars feel like they can voice their opinion, but when the people voice theirs by boycotting its against free speech what is this double standard.

I meant TG.
oh ok ill sign on as my nation then

You know that the big stars feel like they can voice their opinion, but when the people voice theirs by boycotting its against free speech what is this double standard.
just remember boycotts are a two way street

You know that the big stars feel like they can voice their opinion, but when the people voice theirs by boycotting its against free speech what is this double standard.

By all means, boycott Ronstadt. No one's saying you can't. Walk out of her concert when it's over, if you like, just don't expect to get your money back or vandalize a poster which isn't your property.

By all means, boycott Ronstadt. No one's saying you can't. Walk out of her concert when it's over, if you like, just don't expect to get your money back or vandalize a poster which isn't your property.

I'm not just talking about her most of them are that way.

To tell you the truth i don't go to a concert to listen to some fool spouting their politics, i go to listen to their music.
I went to a U2 concert but left when i heard them preaching about some political ideal of theirs. I will not be going to another of their concerts as i believe they will give another speech about their ideals.
I would love to go a Linda Rondstadt concert because i grew up in the era when she was at the top of her profession, but if i knew she was going to get all political i wouldn't go. So why did all those people go in the first place.

To tell you the truth i don't go to a concert to listen to some fool spouting their politics, i go to listen to their music.
I went to a U2 concert but left when i heard them preaching about some political ideal of theirs. I will not be going to another of their concerts as i believe they will give another speech about their ideals.
I would love to go a Linda Rondstadt concert because i grew up in the era when she was at the top of her profession, but if i knew she was going to get all political i wouldn't go. So why did all those people go in the first place.

Because she didn't get "all political". She dedicated a song.

I have no problems with people walking out when entertainers start spewing politics, that is most of the reason I avoid stuff these days. I want entertained not preached at. There are a few issues here that upset me. First is they didn't even let her go to her room to get her stuff.
Second is, this was her only show for the Aladdin so she didn't really *get fired* she only had the one show and she did it. Personally I do have to question the tastes of anyone who would pay to see her anyway,argh. And finally, all those losers that vandalized the hotel and the posters and now want their money back are losers period. You saw the show and then you got huffy and vandalized the hotel and now you demand your money back? Get over yourself, quit whining. You actually paying to see her already shows a lack of brain cells so no whining that she said something to upset you.

And I also haev to concur with this sentiment. She still has a career? What did she ever have a real career??

but cheered by real americans

... you mean anyone who agrees with you is a real American? Whatever anyone's opinion is, that is a very dubious stance to take.

You know that the big stars feel like they can voice their opinion, but when the people voice theirs by boycotting its against free speech what is this double standard.

The boycotting isn't the issue - the fact that she was unfairly dismissed by her "employer" is the main issue. If you can't see why that's wrong, I won't bother trying to explain. Just remember that one day, if you happen to be overheard making a pro-Bush statement at your place of work (if in fact you do work), and your boss is anti-Bush, to take your sacking with a smile and good grace, and congratulate your boss on excercising his civil rights.

And please try to remember: all she did was dedicate a song to Michael Moore - the way some of you are carrying on you'd think she defecated on the American flag and burnt and effigy of Dubbya on stage (now that I'd pay to see!) :)

Singers use other peoples material. They do the same thing when they talk.

What rubbish - are you saying that if your boss disagrees with your political views, he should be able to fire you with no more justification than that? What next, your boss should be able to fire you because of your religion, sexuality, race?

No..it's not rubbish...they are under no obligation to retain her..she can speak all she wants..but she has to realize there are consequences for your actions..Many of the States have laws which stipulat that an employer needs no justification for firing an employee...it is after all...their company...

And the Aladdin is far from cheesy.

linda ronstadts greatest hits is one of the greatest albums of all time

we can all sleep well tonight....

the alladin is in receivership and the new presumptive owners have stated they would be glad to have her back any time.

No..it's not rubbish...they are under no obligation to retain her..she can speak all she wants..but she has to realize there are consequences for your actions..Many of the States have laws which stipulat that an employer needs no justification for firing an employee...it is after all...their company...

And the Aladdin is far from cheesy.

Because it is a law doesn't make it morally right, and I still find it hard to believe that an employer could sack someone for ANY reason, no matter what it says in the employment contract.

For example, a company hires someone, then one day his manager notices him wearing a Star of David necklace. The manager asks "Are you Jewish" to which the employee answers "Why yes, I am.". The manager then says "Sorry, we don't wan't any of your kind in our office" and proceeds to sack him, do you think any court wouldn't order the company to re-hire the employee and give the company a massive fine?

If the answer is no, then America should lose that catchy "Land of the free" moniker right now...

Because it is a law doesn't make it morally right, and I still find it hard to believe that an employer could sack someone for ANY reason, no matter what it says in the employment contract.

For example, a company hires someone, then one day his manager notices him wearing a Star of David necklace. The manager asks "Are you Jewish" to which the employee answers "Why yes, I am.". The manager then says "Sorry, we don't wan't any of your kind in our office" and proceeds to sack him, do you think any court wouldn't order the company to re-hire the employee and give the company a massive fine?

If the answer is no, then America should lose that catchy "Land of the free" moniker right now...

Big difference between religous and political persuasion....one is protected, the other is not.

What rubbish - are you saying that if your boss disagrees with your political views, he should be able to fire you with no more justification than that? What next, your boss should be able to fire you because of your religion, sexuality, race?
Linda Ronstadt does NOT have a right to work anywhere. The casino owner was well within his rights to kick her out of the place the way he did.

When will you lefties understand that when you are employed by anyone, you have that employment, only at the pleasure of your employer? Employers are not in business just to provide work. The employment opportunities come as a natural consequence of the business at hand. How long would that casino stay in business if/when REAL people stop going there, courtesy of Linda Ronstadt and her love of Jabba the Moore?

No sympathy for Linda...nor for Bonnie Rat...nor for the Ditzy Twits, nor any of the others. They chose to mix their art with their political views, and they forgot they are paid for one, not for the other, and now they're paying a price with the people who used to pay for their talents.

So far noone has answered my hypothetical question about race: if crowds stopped coming to a venue because it started hiring black performers, would that make it OK to sack them?

@Salishe: OK, I see your point...if you choose to live your life by legal tomes rather than a self-developed set of morals, no problemo. Just so long as you are aware that not everyone out there believes that "legal" automatically equals "right". Isn't there a quote somewhere about defiance of unjust laws being a civic duty?

@Panhandlia: I see you point too. I withdraw my comment about removing the "Land of the free" logo...instead, it should be ammended to "Land of the free, just so long as you don't mess with the almighty dollar, or a casino owners inherent right to purchase a new ivory backscratcher".

And can I once again point out that all she did was dedicate a song to someone? No flag burning, no effigy burning, no firebmombing of the whitehouse, not even calling Bush supporters gullible sheep.

Also, no reply regarding my other hypothetical stuation: if you got sacked for being overheard making a pro-Bush comment at work (say, for instance, in front of customers, where it can affect the companies inalienable right to earn money), would you cheerfully grin and accept it? If not, then you are a hypocrite.

Anyway, I'm off to worship at my Lenin statuette like the good "lefty" that I am...:)

No..it's not rubbish...they are under no obligation to retain her..she can speak all she wants..but she has to realize there are consequences for your actions..Many of the States have laws which stipulat that an employer needs no justification for firing an employee...it is after all...their company...

And the Aladdin is far from cheesy.
workers are people not expendable parts--they dont lose their rights the minute they take a job

*it should be noted that some cheered what she said but the corporate media censored that fact

Linda Ronstadt Kicked Out for Criticizing Bush
Pop music singer Linda Ronstadt was fired from an engagement at the Alladin Casino in Las Vegas on Saturday after praising Michael Moore's film "Fahrenheith 9/11." Ronstadt dedicated her encore finale of the Eagles song "Desperado" to Moore, whom she described as a "great American patriot who is spreading the truth." Some members of the audience booed the comment and walked out of the show while others cheered

www.democracynow.org
she was a traitor. And I don't care if you agree or not.

Linda Ronstadt does NOT have a right to work anywhere. The casino owner was well within his rights to kick her out of the place the way he did.

When will you lefties understand that when you are employed by anyone, you have that employment, only at the pleasure of your employer? Employers are not in business just to provide work. The employment opportunities come as a natural consequence of the business at hand. How long would that casino stay in business if/when REAL people stop going there, courtesy of Linda Ronstadt and her love of Jabba the Moore?

No sympathy for Linda...nor for Bonnie Rat...nor for the Ditzy Twits, nor any of the others. They chose to mix their art with their political views, and they forgot they are paid for one, not for the other, and now they're paying a price with the people who used to pay for their talents.
when will you rightys realize that slavery was outlawed 200 years ago--just because someones an employer doesnt mean anyone has to sacrifice all their rights just to work for him--get real

she was a traitor. And I don't care if you agree or not.
she was a traitor to traitors I agree :cool:

Actually, she was booed off the stage, if I remember right.

Actually, I seen this on the news, I believe all she did was dedicate a song to Michael Moore and she finished her show and then was told to leave the hotel afterwards. She wasn't booed off stage.

Actually, I seen this on the news, I believe all she did was dedicate a song to Michael Moore and she finished her show and then was told to leave the hotel afterwards. She wasn't booed off stage.
I seen Moore's film. I am a republican. I thought it was good satire until he started talking crap about the American military. That part is tasteless crap and none of what he says about america's military is true.

Actually, I seen this on the news, I believe all she did was dedicate a song to Michael Moore and she finished her show and then was told to leave the hotel afterwards. She wasn't booed off stage.I guess foxnews got caught in its millionth lie then

she was a traitor. And I don't care if you agree or not.

Cool, so you won't care that I disagree. :)

By that reasoning, anyone who questions the actions and motives of the current leader is a traitor. Does that means Germans who spoke out against Hilter's policies (and many did, and were imprisoned and/or executed for their efforts) were "traitors"? In the technical sense of the term: yes. In the moral sense of the term: no.

P.S. Can someone please check the legal records and tell me the last time someone was brought up on charges of treason for a song dedication? ;)

Good news.. she's been invited back to perform again at the same hotel, it's under new ownership now.. they said she can sing a duet with Michael Moore if she pleases.. and she's been getting offers from a whole bunch of other Vegas hotels too...

Sin city, gotta love it!

she was a traitor. And I don't care if you agree or not.Surely your opposition to the first amendment makes you the traitor?

you people miss the point. the people that came to see her are her boss. i saw a clip where many people where leaving before the end of the show and complaining.