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*the abuses of chickens detained at KFC processing camps have reached a new low and is a continuation of the abusive patterns against non-human people tortured in corporate slaughterhouses nationwide

Video Shows Abuse of Chickens at KFC Supplier
An investigator for the animal rights group PETA captured video showing chickens being kicked, stomped and thrown against a wall by workers at a supplier for Kentucky Fried Chicken, which has been under pressure since last year over the treatment of animals. Officials from Yum! Brands Inc., which owns the fast-food chain, said that the employee or employees responsible will be terminated. The footage was secretly taken at a plant in West Virginia by a PETA activist who worked there from October to May. PETA says its investigator also obtained eyewitness testimony about employees "ripping birds” beaks off, spray painting their faces, twisting their heads off, spitting tobacco into their mouths and eyes, and breaking them in half - all while the birds are still alive." PETA said it planned to ask West Virginia authorities to prosecute plant employees and managers under state animal-cruelty laws.

www.democracynow.org

said that the employee or employees responsible will be terminated.

Do they know? Should someone tell them this?

i always thought choking the chicken was slang for male masturbation... omg im so funny. but non-human people is a new one you insipid twat.

KFCCruelty.com for more information. Lots of footage, eye witness accounts, Anti-KFC / YUM brands collateral. Thanks!

Sorry, but chickens are not people. Moron. Learn to think before you open your mouth.

i always thought choking the chicken was slang for male masturbation... omg im so funny. but non-human people is a new one you insipid twat.

Chickens are people too y'know, you... you brute you! :gundge:

But they still feel pain.

Sorry, but chickens are not people. Moron. Learn to think before you open your mouth.

Dude(ette?), it's an expression... like "shut your f***ing face unclef***er!" :gundge:

thats why I called them NON-HUMAN people---DAAAA

Animals don't deserve that, kill them quick if they're for food, don't abuse them. :( :mad:

The People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals makes me sick....while they have the right to be on the best look out of animal's rights, they do not have right to be holding hands with groups like the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front, two radical eco-terrorist groups who would rather see humans be killed than buildings be built or animals be eaten......

The People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals makes me sick....while they have the right to be on the best look out of animal's rights, they do not have right to be holding hands with groups like the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front, two radical eco-terrorist groups who would rather see humans be killed than buildings be built or animals be eaten......

ELF and ALF are bad but both have cute acronyms hehehehe ;)

There are no proven links between PETA and any terrorist group. I'm a member of PETA, but don't support the actions of ALF or ELF.

Besides, don't the idiots in ELF realize that burning cars and houses releases all the chemicals used in the making of them into the air?

who cares about chicken c'mon
once they buy them they belong to them, they are their property, they can do whatever they please...if ther won't be enough chicken in the world we can freaking clone them...

yes how aweful of PETA to be trying to save animals from being tortured.

those chickens should suffer MORE not less. We shoudl be rewarding people for their cruelty and not condeming them.

they must be INSANE!!!!!!

but seriously, that is aweful how people treat animals. Those chickens feel pain and have emotions too. It's stupid for humans to believe that they are superior to these animals when acting like such barbarians.

who cares about chicken c'mon
once they buy them they belong to them, they are their property, they can do whatever they please...if ther won't be enough chicken in the world we can freaking clone them...

I know you're doing this just to start problems but I'll report you okay

grow a brain JERK! :mad:

BlareBitchDominatrix: I suppose you support slavery?

The People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals makes me sick....while they have the right to be on the best look out of animal's rights, they do not have right to be holding hands with groups like the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front, two radical eco-terrorist groups who would rather see humans be killed than buildings be built or animals be eaten......
what does that have to do with chicken people being tortured?

who cares about chicken c'mon
once they buy them they belong to them, they are their property, they can do whatever they please...if ther won't be enough chicken in the world we can freaking clone them...

Sorry that you don't have a heart. Its nice to have one. You should go see the wizard and try one on for size.

who cares about chicken c'mon
once they buy them they belong to them, they are their property, they can do whatever they please...if ther won't be enough chicken in the world we can freaking clone them...

Would you be willing to replace the word "chickens" in your comment with words like "dogs", "cats" and "chimps"? You are a sick little prick to have no care for the pain of non-human animals.

BlareBitchDominatrix is just trying to get you guys riled up which she/he did successfully.

oh FYI

GROW A BRAIN JERK :mad:

BlareBitchDominatrix is just trying to get you guys riled up which she/he did successfully.

oh FYI

GROW A BRAIN JERK :mad:

Well she seems to like being abused, so I am happy to help :)

Oh BTW... I'm rubber and you're glue.

That's pretty mest up. Unless it makes the chickens taste better they should stop.

Well she seems to like being abused, so I am happy to help :)

Oh BTW... I'm rubber and you're glue.

You may be rubber but you're brainless rubber
BURNED :cool:

That's pretty mest up. Unless it makes the chickens taste better they should stop.

They should beat children if it makes them act better.
Also shoot people who are bad :sniper: :cool:

Well, I have to say, chickens are not people. However, they don't deserve to be abused like that. Kill them for food, but don't abuse them.

You may be rubber but you're brainless rubber
BURNED :cool:

OOoohhh... dat so clever! ooohhh... I be so burned my hair be fried... ooohhh...

pilgrim pride treets the chickin inhumanely if u want to talk more about it telllegram me im Eastwestland :upyours:




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pilgrim pride treets the chickin inhumanely if u want to talk more about it telllegram me im Eastwestland :upyours:




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Pilgrims are dirty jerks in the first place that no one likes. Here is good advice for a pilgrim:

Grow a brain jerk! :mad:

animals taste good.

i always thought choking the chicken was slang for male masturbation... omg im so funny. but non-human people is a new one you insipid twat.

Do you want to find yourself deleted? Cut out the flaming.


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take a sucky forum to know a sucky forum... or something

For those of you who think that PETA does not support ALF you 100% They have given money to a member of ALF who has been on national tv so they know exactly who the hell they are giving the money to. Just use the freedom of information act to request PETA's tax returns. You'll find alot of prominent ALF and ELF members on there that they gave money to under the guise of a donation.

*edited*these forums suck

Someone didn't see the above post :D .
I don't care how KFC treats it's meat, as long as it doesn't beat it hard enoght to bruise.

That wasn't meant to sound sexual, but it is against the law to sell bruised meat. Chickens aren't people, so I will eat them anyway you serve them.

For those of you who think that PETA does not support ALF you 100% They have given money to a member of ALF who has been on national tv so they know exactly who the hell they are giving the money to. Just use the freedom of information act to request PETA's tax returns. You'll find alot of prominent ALF and ELF members on there that they gave money to under the guise of a donation.
so--the earth has rights too

:sniper: :upyours::upyours: :gundge: what is flaming

Please provide proof that PETA supports elves and ALF that lovable cat-eating Melmackian.

so--the earth has rights too

Do you even know what the ALF and the ELF do, MK? They burn down buildings. They torch cars. They beat people with ball bats....

http://www.stopecoviolence.org

Please provide proof that PETA supports elves and ALF that lovable cat-eating Melmackian.


I saw them with my 8 eyes. They attacked the elves from the lotr movies and tried to run over ALF with a car.

Do you even know what the ALF and the ELF do, MK? They burn down buildings. They torch cars. They beat people with ball bats....

http://www.stopecoviolence.org


Thats right. They burned down a lab at Michigan State University a few years back. While I hate MSU.. it was still wrong.

well then that doesnt sound like support to me.

as for those eco terrorists..... Is there any proof of PETA's involvment with them? linkable maybe?

i'm sorry, but this is by far one of the funniest things i've ever read.

"chickens have emotions..." please.

"the earth has rights!" yes, since inert matter is capable of thought lol.

and yes, i'm just doing this to piss people off, but come on, get a life, lol.

:-D

Thats right. They burned down a lab at Michigan State University a few years back. While I hate MSU.. it was still wrong.

They tried to blow up Michigan Technological University, too....

by the way, are we allowed to treat eco-terrorists like normal terrorists and...take care of them...on the spot?

I had a pet chicken named gilberta and she seriously loved me and was so happy when I came home she would run up to me and wait for me to pick her up and give iher love.

And she would follow me around everywhere and sit on my lap.

She was smart too.

by the way, are we allowed to treat eco-terrorists like normal terrorists and...take care of them...on the spot?
its not terrorism-- thats propaganda by genocidal corporations with an anti-planet bias

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Someone didn't see the above post :D .
I don't care how KFC treats it's meat, as long as it doesn't beat it hard enoght to bruise.

That wasn't meant to sound sexual, but it is against the law to sell bruised meat. Chickens aren't people, so I will eat them anyway you serve them.


dogs and cats arent people either.... gunna eat them anyway you serve them?

do you have any pets? when they die are you going to fry them up?

oh, so its not terrorism to go burn and blow up buildings and cars? its not terrorism to hunt people down, break into their homes, and destroy their property? its not terrorism to severely harm not only companies but the environment w/the types of actions the idiots over at ALF and ELF take? its not terrorism to break windows, steal, cause property damage, etc, etc, etc? you must be a true moron.

dogs and cats arent people either.... gunna eat them anyway you serve them?

do you have any pets? when they die are you going to fry them up?

Appreciate the sentiment but that's not a very good point. Chicken make lousey housepet. But KK should consider that if the pain a chicken feels, even if you are gonna eat it, doesn't matter because it its not a human, then does his dog or cat's pain matter?

its not terrorism-- thats propaganda by genocidal corporations with an anti-planet bias

Sorry dude. Whenever a bombing can hurt or kill a random non-involved person, it's terrorism.

I had a pet chicken named gilberta and she seriously loved me and was so happy when I came home she would run up to me and wait for me to pick her up and give iher love.

And she would follow me around everywhere and sit on my lap.

She was smart too.
what have you done with her?

oh, so its not terrorism to go burn and blow up buildings and cars? its not terrorism to hunt people down, break into their homes, and destroy their property? its not terrorism to severely harm not only companies but the environment w/the types of actions the idiots over at ALF and ELF take? its not terrorism to break windows, steal, cause property damage, etc, etc, etc? you must be a true moron.
ok now your gettin dramatic

Sorry dude. Whenever a bombing can hurt or kill a random non-involved person, it's terrorism.true

so--the earth has rights too

Since when?

ok now your gettin dramatic

No, he/she is not getting dramatic...that's the truth...that's what the ALF and ELF do...they burn buildings, burn out cars, bomb cars, beat people down with baseball bats, et al....they're terrorists....

Again, I state: http://www.stopecoviolence.org

No, he/she is not getting dramatic...that's the truth...that's what the ALF and ELF do...they burn buildings, burn out cars, bomb cars, beat people down with baseball bats, et al....they're terrorists....

Again, I state: http://www.stopecoviolence.org


I found this passage funny:

August 25, 2003

WASHINGTON MINK FARM RAIDED; ALF OPERATIVES SET THOUSANDS OF DOMESTICATED MINK LOOSE

A family-owned mink farm in Sultan, Washington, is raided by the Animal Liberation Front (ALF). Sometime between midnight and 4 a.m. the cages of nearly all the farm’s mink are opened by the trespassers. More than 10,000 of the domesticated animals are set loose and abandoned, although about half remained in their cages. Volunteers are able to rescue about 6,000 of the traumatized mink, but scores of others die from dehydration or from being struck by cars. Losses to the farm are estimated at $500,000 resulting from lost or damaged pelts and the loss of future production. The ALF officially claimed responsibility for the raid the following day.

LoL. They set the mink free so they can be hit by cars and die from dehydration. Figures.

Since when?
since equality

Chickens are animals MADE for eating thats why they are so wonderfully tastey. I really hate PETA other than people eating tastey animals thats the good one. Everyone in PETA should have their legs broke off and so should all members of ELF.

No, he/she is not getting dramatic...that's the truth...that's what the ALF and ELF do...they burn buildings, burn out cars, bomb cars, beat people down with baseball bats, et al....they're terrorists....

Again, I state: http://www.stopecoviolence.org
is that a rightwing link?

since equality

What!? Equality of what?

is that a rightwing link?


When the group in question claims responsibility for the attacks, the left wing-right wing crap is moot.

What!? Equality of what?
mass equality for social justice

mass equality for social justice
Ahem? TG? Please? :(

When the group in question claims responsibility for the attacks, the left wing-right wing crap is moot.
what if it was preventative violence?

Ahem? TG? Please? :(
oh yeah--just a sec

what if it was preventative violence?


Keyword: violence. Inexcusable.

People like you don't realize that all firebombing McDonald's and blowing up cars does is escalate the situation. Violence like that never solves anything.

mass equality for social justice

Are you actually serious? Because this is leaning towards the idiotic.

is that a rightwing link?

To you, anything right of your Stalinist vision for a Communist future, is right-wing...

To you, anything right of your Stalinist vision for a Communist future, is right-wing...
Stalin was a rightwinger

For some reason, I feel very apathetic about this. Chickens are the stupidest of the farm animals, and are conviniently the most in demand. They wouldn't know any better if they were raised in a chicken coop, a feed lot, or in an ass.

Are you actually serious? Because this is leaning towards the idiotic.
what is it about justice that you oppose?

what is it about justice that you oppose?

It has nothing to do with justice. It has to do with the rather bizarre assertion that planets and people are somehow equal.

what is it about justice that you oppose?


If commiting arson, issuing death threats, and setting off pipe bombs is what you call justice, then you sir need to have your head evaluated.

It has nothing to do with justice. It has to do with the rather bizarre assertion that planets and people are somehow equal.if you violate the earths basic human rights you validate your own ultimate extinction

If commiting arson, issuing death threats, and setting off pipe bombs is what you call justice, then you sir need to have your head evaluated.
Im not sure what to think about ALF but it seems something set if off

There are no proven links between PETA and any terrorist group. I'm a member of PETA, but don't support the actions of ALF or ELF.

Besides, don't the idiots in ELF realize that burning cars and houses releases all the chemicals used in the making of them into the air?

I heard that some of PETA's lawyers have jumped to the aid of ALF when they got themselves in a tight spot.

Im not sure what to think about ALF but it seems something set if off
TRA, am I your friend? :)

*pulls MKULTRA away from the frey*

You've just said you don't know the details of the aggendas of the attacks done by the groups you are in essence defending. Please, take a deep breath and ask yourself "just what am I defending?"

OK? :)

TRA, am I your friend? :)

*pulls MKULTRA away from the frey*

You've just said you don't know the details of the aggendas of the attacks done by the groups you are in essence defending. Please, take a deep breath and ask yourself "just what am I defending?"

OK? :)
I withdraw my support for ALF until a suitable leftwing source can ever prove they were exploited

I am against animals being tortured but for the most part I am anti-PETA. I don't agree with their views because I am a hunter and because I eat meat. I never have understood the whole "animals are equal to humans" thing, but if those chickens are really being tortured that way, that is just sick.

if you violate the earths basic human rights you validate your own ultimate extinction

Human rights, as the name might suggest, are for humans. Also, your statement is a non-sequitur.

I withdraw my support for ALF until a suitable leftwing source can ever prove they were exploited


Um....the groups themselves have claimed responsibility for their attacks. What else is there to prove?

I think eco-violence against coporations is not as bad as eco-violence by companies against nature. Because basicaly if they screw up the world in a few hundred years EVERYONE is screwed.

For those interested in PETA activities, here are some links to documents pertaining to PETA

http://www.cdfe.org/peta-probe.htm

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/oped_detail.cfm?OPED_ID=145

Human rights, as the name might suggest, are for humans. Also, your statement is a non-sequitur.
I dont know what you mean

I think eco-violence against coporations is not as bad as eco-violence by companies against nature. Because basicaly if they screw up the world in a few hundred years EVERYONE is screwed.
mong raises a good point--can anything be more evil then a corporation?

And if you want a look at some of PETA's warped views...
http://www.peta.com/

I withdraw my support for ALF until a suitable leftwing source can ever prove they were exploited

LMAOIRL :p

LMAOIRL :p
what?

I think we need to start talking about natural rights and get over the (rather silly) debate about whether the Earth has human rights.

Stalin was a rightwinger
actually, stalin was a lefty (communism), hitler was the right-winger (facism)

what?

Waiting for a left wing source to validate the ecoterrorists' justification?

OK... I just thought you meant that for laughs :p

actually, stalin was a lefty (communism), hitler was the right-winger (facism)

No, Stalin was a righty (conservative) and Gorbachev was a lefty (liberal, or reformist).

In a capitalist nation, communism is left wing.

mong raises a good point--can anything be more evil then a corporation?

A monopoly? That nasty type of superglue that sticks to nothing but fingers?

No, Stalin was a righty (conservative) and Gorbachev was a lefty (liberal, or reformist).

In a capitalist nation, communism is left wing.
that is correct

A monopoly? That nasty type of superglue that sticks to nothing but fingers?
aye--evil corporations are the enemies of the worlds people

Chickens, in my eyes, are just vegetables with feet. Hard for me to get worked up over the plight of chickens. However, there is a fine line between efficiency and torture.

If, for the sake of efficienct processing, chickens are put through 'cruelties', well, I can enjoy a big old bucket of chicken and sleep well at night. Because, frankly, I don't give two spits about the chickens.

However, I draw the line at torture for the sake of torture. You know, a worker gets bored, so snaps a chicken's spine to see what it'll do. Or twists a chicken's head around to see how long until it's neck snaps. Or kicks one around like a soccerball. These things aren't about efficiency. These things are about sick individuals who deserve to be prosecuted. They need to put damaged people like this in the padded cell I escaped from.

Don't come crying to me about chickens. But I don't like the idea of psychopaths preparing my dinner, either. :p

I dont know what you mean

1. Human rights are for humans, not for planets.

2. Aside from the fact that the Earth doesn't have 'human rights' for me to violate, I don't see how it logically follows (hence, non-sequitur) that it 'validates my ultimate extinction', which doesn't appear to mean anything anyway.

1. Human rights are for humans, not for planets.

2. Aside from the fact that the Earth doesn't have 'human rights' for me to violate, I don't see how it logically follows (hence, non-sequitur) that it 'validates my ultimate extinction', which doesn't appear to mean anything anyway.
the planet is alive and has its own sense of conscouisness if we continue to violate its right to life by mallesting it with pollution the earth will crush us in self defence as its crushed civilazations prior to us.

the planet is alive and has its own sense of conscouisness if we continue to violate its right to life by mallesting it with pollution the earth will crush us in self defence as its crushed civilazations prior to us.

Oh, so it's a religious thing. I thought you were just an idiot until you posted that. ;-P

So you believe that all creatures, and even sufficiently large inanimate objects have souls, right? So we should treat them as people because their souls are, in essence, the same as our own?

That's a fair enough viewpoint from the premise of the "everything has a soul" theory, but it's not really going to convince those of us who believe that no creatures or things (or even humans alone) have souls.

If, on the other hand, I'm getting the wrong impression here and you're speaking metephorically, then it's true that polluting the world we rely on to live is a bad thing, as long as we still require it. But that doesn't mean we should start blowing people up for it. The situation isn't so urgent that we can't sort it out in a calm maner. ;-P


Wallsy.

How about this: if we treat the planet badly enough for long enough, we will die. We kind of need it to live, you know?

And people that are sadistic to chickens are showing strong sociopathic tendancies. That is to say, lack of empathy for animals is a strong sign of mental defect.

Oh, so it's a religious thing. I thought you were just an idiot until you posted that. ;-P

So you believe that all creatures, and even sufficiently large inanimate objects have souls, right? So we should treat them as people because their souls are, in essence, the same as our own?

That's a fair enough viewpoint from the premise of the "everything has a soul" theory, but it's not really going to convince those of us who believe that no creatures or things (or even humans alone) have souls.

If, on the other hand, I'm getting the wrong impression here and you're speaking metephorically, then it's true that polluting the world we rely on to live is a bad thing, as long as we still require it. But that doesn't mean we should start blowing people up for it. The situation isn't so urgent that we can't sort it out in a calm maner. ;-P


Wallsy.
everything has a soul-and I want things to be calme

How about this: if we treat the planet badly enough for long enough, we will die. We kind of need it to live, you know?

And people that are sadistic to chickens are showing strong sociopathic tendancies. That is to say, lack of empathy for animals is a strong sign of mental defect.
Id say chicken abusers are repressed serial killers

Id say chicken abusers are repressed serial killers

Animal abuse certainly is one of the early warning signs.

Mmmm. I think I'll join this ELF...

Muahahahahahahahaha

(Capitalist fascist ->) :upyours: :sniper:

we shall boycott KFC! :cool: ...and chickens...

we shall boycott KFC! :cool: ...and chickens...
:cool:

How about this: if we treat the planet badly enough for long enough, we will die. We kind of need it to live, you know?

Fair enough, but I think it's fairly safe to say that organisations such as ELF and ALF are not helping anyone, least of all the cause they supposedly support.

And people that are sadistic to chickens are showing strong sociopathic tendancies. That is to say, lack of empathy for animals is a strong sign of mental defect.

Sure. Keep an eye on them. But as long as they stick to chickens they're not really a threat to society. ;-)

everything has a soul

Ah, so I was right. My point still stands that unless you can convince the rest of us of that, we're not likely to see it as a valid reason for anything. Sorry.


Wallsy.

Fair enough, but I think it's fairly safe to say that organisations such as ELF and ALF are not helping anyone, least of all the cause they supposedly support.



Sure. Keep an eye on them. But as long as they stick to chickens they're not really a threat to society. ;-)



Ah, so I was right. My point still stands that unless you can convince the rest of us of that, we're not likely to see it as a valid reason for anything. Sorry.


Wallsy.well if something has a soul then if you wrong it you get spanked by karma

everything has a soul-and I want things to be calme

Then stop eating. Because if you eat a plant, you're eating a living thing that has a soul.

Then stop eating. Because if you eat a plant, you're eating a living thing that has a soul.
He would be doing alot of people a favor if he did that

Non-human people. That's a new one to me.

I am against cruelty to animals, but I am also against anthropomorphising barnyard beasts.

Would any of you know-it-all smug apathetics like to BE a chicken in an abusive situation, and FIND OUT? HUH? HUH?

Probably not, eh? You don't want to feel that much pain, eh?

Didn't think so.

*walks off muttering*

Non-human people. That's a new one to me.

I am against cruelty to animals, but I am also against anthropomorphising barnyard beasts.

And what if, by chance, dogs and cats had been "barnyard beasts" throughout history? Or what if we (humans) farmed chimpanzees and dolphins because they tasted good? And chickens and cows and turkeys were the household pets. WHAT IF.

Think outside of your presently, sadly limited sphere of thinking.

Would any of you know-it-all smug apathetics like to BE a chicken in an abusive situation, and FIND OUT? HUH? HUH?

Probably not, eh? You don't want to feel that much pain, eh?

Didn't think so.

*walks off muttering*


I never once condoned animal violence, so the assumption is not appreciated. I am against animal violence as much as I am against eco-terrorists blowing stuff up and putting human lives at risk.

That was meant for EVERYONE in this thread that presumes to know what chickens do and do not feel.

Even though I belive that animals don't deserve torture, and that the abusers ARE probibly just repressed serial killers... I still HATE PETA. While I believe they have a good cause, they went TOO far in it. EVER HEAR OF THE FOOD CHAIN? I am curious though, are Lions also evil, cruel, killers, because they eat meat?

PETA also kills most of the animals it 'rescues'. I mean euthanise ~rolleyes~

And I want the freedom to choke my own chicken! Oh wait...

Genesis 1:27-30


"God created man in His image....male and female He created them. God blessed them, saying, 'Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all the living things that move on the earth.' God also said, 'See, I give you every seed-bearing plant all over the earth and every tree that has seed-bearing fruit on it to be your food'....And so it happened."

So, my friends, this passage shows that man is decreed by God to rule over the animals and the earth (NOT the other way around), and that includes eating tasty chickens for supper.

Genesis 1:27-30


"God created man in His image....male and female He created them. God blessed them, saying, 'Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all the living things that move on the earth.' God also said, 'See, I give you every seed-bearing plant all over the earth and every tree that has seed-bearing fruit on it to be your food'....And so it happened."

So, my friends, this passage shows that man is decreed by God to rule over the animals and the earth (NOT the other way around), and that includes eating tasty chickens for supper.

God also said, 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' which means that humans can only eat foods that can survive being digested. :confused:

God also said, 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' which means that humans can only eat foods that can survive being digested. :confused:

This only applies to humans.

This only applies to humans.

*blink* Does it? Since when?

God also said, 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' which means that humans can only eat foods that can survive being digested. :confused:

Wasn't it 'Thou shallt not murder'?

*blink* Does it? Since when?

Since always. Otherwise it would be a sin to fish. And Jesus was a fisherman. Are you saying Jesus was a sinner?! You made baby Jesus cry :(

Wasn't it 'Thou shallt not murder'?

you would be correct. its "Do not commit MURDER": M-U-R-D-E-R. that's a point almost every single person on this planet seems to forget. Do not kill without a just cause. I'd call killing someone who was breaking into my house or sending my family death threats perfectly reasonable. I refuse to stand around and allow such abhorrent actions to go unpunished. However, killing an animal for food i have no problem with. I'm eating it, and it has no soul/conciousness to speak of.

Oh, and whoever said that what if dogs and cats and stuff were barnyard animals, we'd all probably eat them too, just like in Korea and China, lol.

well if something has a soul then if you wrong it you get spanked by karma

Indeed. But as I've seen no evidence of karma at work, I'm quite content to take my chances.

And in response to the Christian viewpoint expressed by Shermanica, I don't see how bringing Christian beliefs into it helps. MKULTRA is clearly not a Christian, so finding arguments against him in your own religious beliefs is hardly going to sway him, just as his religious beliefs are unlikely to effect you or me. ;-)


Wallsy.

This is true, Wallsy, but I just thought it best to present the argument from a side that hasn't been covered yet.

This is true, Wallsy, but I just thought it best to present the argument from a side that hasn't been covered yet.

The chicken's side?

Appreciate the sentiment but that's not a very good point. Chicken make lousey housepet. But KK should consider that if the pain a chicken feels, even if you are gonna eat it, doesn't matter because it its not a human, then does his dog or cat's pain matter?

Yes they do! have you ever had a chicken? as I said earlier:

I had a pet chicken named gilberta and she seriously loved me and was so happy when I came home she would run up to me and wait for me to pick her up and give iher love.

And she would follow me around everywhere and sit on my lap.

She was smart too.

now what say you?

I had a pet chicken named gilberta and she seriously loved me and was so happy when I came home she would run up to me and wait for me to pick her up and give iher love.

And she would follow me around everywhere and sit on my lap.

She was smart too.

what have you done with her?

She died :(

PETA:
People Eating Tasty Animals :)

har har

my tired old vegetarian joke (even though I am one):

If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?

The chicken's side?

The Church's side, actually, but good guess anyway.

HAR HAR


WELL it just shows peaple, what goes on in factory farms,

peaple who like that video, are probally peaple who like to bully or make other peaple suffer, chickens have hearts, circulatory systems too.

So they feal real PAIN just as we do. THose idiots in the video were just blowing lots of steam on those poor defenseless chickens, cause there oblivious to the facts, and could care less, bluntly there ignorant.

Then stop eating. Because if you eat a plant, you're eating a living thing that has a soul.
eating isnt murder its part of the incestuos cycle of non-stop living

Non-human people. That's a new one to me.

I am against cruelty to animals, but I am also against anthropomorphising barnyard beasts.
havent you ever read Animal Farm?

Even though I belive that animals don't deserve torture, and that the abusers ARE probibly just repressed serial killers... I still HATE PETA. While I believe they have a good cause, they went TOO far in it. EVER HEAR OF THE FOOD CHAIN? I am curious though, are Lions also evil, cruel, killers, because they eat meat?
eating isnt murder--its recycling

Genesis 1:27-30


"God created man in His image....male and female He created them. God blessed them, saying, 'Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and all the living things that move on the earth.' God also said, 'See, I give you every seed-bearing plant all over the earth and every tree that has seed-bearing fruit on it to be your food'....And so it happened."

So, my friends, this passage shows that man is decreed by God to rule over the animals and the earth (NOT the other way around), and that includes eating tasty chickens for supper.
well for starters its debateable whether the bible was even written by God but assuming for the sake of argument that it was God said RULE not TORTURE and part of ruling means taken responsibility for...

This only applies to humans.
the bible didnt say that-you are

Fair enough, but I think it's fairly safe to say that organisations such as ELF and ALF are not helping anyone, least of all the cause they supposedly support.

Never have I said otherwise. Point?

Sure. Keep an eye on them. But as long as they stick to chickens they're not really a threat to society. ;-)

They are criminals... and without PETA's cameraman sneaking in there, who was there to keep an eye on them?


everything has a soul


Ah, so I was right. My point still stands that unless you can convince the rest of us of that, we're not likely to see it as a valid reason for anything. Sorry.


Wallsy.

Is this supposed to be humourous? Pretending I ever said that? GFYS.

Indeed. But as I've seen no evidence of karma at work, I'm quite content to take my chances.

And in response to the Christian viewpoint expressed by Shermanica, I don't see how bringing Christian beliefs into it helps. MKULTRA is clearly not a Christian, so finding arguments against him in your own religious beliefs is hardly going to sway him, just as his religious beliefs are unlikely to effect you or me. ;-)


Wallsy.
Karma is proven everytime you see a case of peotic justice--your also right about Shermanicas religious superstitions having no relevance to real world realitys

I had a pet chicken named gilberta and she seriously loved me and was so happy when I came home she would run up to me and wait for me to pick her up and give iher love.

And she would follow me around everywhere and sit on my lap.

She was smart too.



She died :(
did you eat her body or bury it?

The Church's side, actually, but good guess anyway.
the church has no moral authority

Yes they do! have you ever had a chicken? as I said earlier:

I had a pet chicken named gilberta and she seriously loved me and was so happy when I came home she would run up to me and wait for me to pick her up and give iher love.

And she would follow me around everywhere and sit on my lap.

She was smart too.

now what say you?

"Chicken make lousey housepet" is a quote, ok? I think that's a great story and I would like to have met this chicken, and I am fairly sure that you can appreciate the anger that some of us feel about the recent news story of chicken torture.

So. You admit that a PETA member trespassed on private property, illegally videotaped employees of said company, and then condoned the act by allowing it to continue? I'd say that PETA has their own problems to deal with first.

Never have I said otherwise. Point?
They are criminals... and without PETA's cameraman sneaking in there, who was there to keep an eye on them?

So. You admit that a PETA member trespassed on private property, illegally videotaped employees of said company, and then condoned the act by allowing it to continue? I'd say that PETA has their own problems to deal with first.
trespassing and filming someone is much less offensive then torture --PETA are the good guys in this case

if you violate the earths basic human rights you validate your own ultimate extinction


oh.. so the earth gets basic human rights now? What exactly are the basic human rights?

oh.. so the earth gets basic human rights now? What exactly are the basic human rights?
theyre what Bush violates everyday he remains in office

So. You admit that a PETA member trespassed on private property, illegally videotaped employees of said company, and then condoned the act by allowing it to continue? I'd say that PETA has their own problems to deal with first.According to the original article, the person who filmed the abuse was working there, so he/she couldn't have been trespassing. And unless you can prove that filming the actions was illegal, then that accusation is baseless as well. As to the argument that the filmer condoned the act, that's just stupid. The filmer obviously didn't have the power to stop the abuses unilaterally, so he/she did what he/she could--expose the practice so that the higher-ups would be embarassed and forced to take action against the offenders.

"Chicken make lousey housepet" is a quote, ok? I think that's a great story and I would like to have met this chicken, and I am fairly sure that you can appreciate the anger that some of us feel about the recent news story of chicken torture.

chickens are decent pets, lousy house pets, like other birds they poop indiscrimnately

BUT, those chickens at KFC are bred and raised to be killed and eaten, in no way,shape, or form are those chickens pets

trespassing and filming someone is much less offensive then torture --PETA are the good guys in this case

THEY ARE TORTURING FOOD ANIMALS, if you want to protest the torture, protest there very creation and killing and DONT eat there and shut the hell up

and i will take " PETA's actions are almost always illegal" for 200 Alex

THEY ARE TORTURING FOOD ANIMALS, if you want to protest the torture, protest there very creation and killing and DONT eat there and shut the hell up

and i will take " PETA's actions are almost always illegal" for 200 Alex


That is the understatement of the century. I want to know how come whenever human rights abuses are mentioned Bush always comes up? I do not remember him ordering people to be ripped apart and beheaded. I do not remember him ordering the death of this tribe or that tribe.

Oh that’s nothing compared to what would happen to them by if they were caught and killed any other animal. I say that we should be able to play volleyball with them if we really wanted. But no animal ties down it prey for however long it takes to make veal. So we shouldn’t be able to either. Destroy the veal plants and let them run free. That is until it’s time to kill em and grill em.

I hope these chickens weren't destined for "delicious snack packs". :)

So. You admit that a PETA member trespassed on private property, illegally videotaped employees of said company, and then condoned the act by allowing it to continue? I'd say that PETA has their own problems to deal with first.

I was under the impression that he got a job there without mentioning his PETA membership, although I may be wrong. If I am right, there was no law broken. The videotaping may have been against company policy (I wonder why?) but it was not illegal, and it did in fact reveal illegal behaviour. Finally, no he did not whip out a gun and enact a citizen's arrest. Are you suggesting that he should have?

havent you ever read Animal Farm?

No, but I saw the movie. Probably my favourite John Belushi movie, next to Blues Bothers.































...yes, that was a joke...

I'm so sick of PETA and all those damned tree-hugger groups. It's in man's nature to kill animals and eat them. If a bigger, stronger, smarter animal had the chance to kill you and survive then you bet your ass it would. To sum this up: f*** PETA, and f*** any other tree hugging orginization.

I know this sounds like I'm right, but I'm usually on the left. It's just that I can't stand these hippie bitches.

THEY ARE TORTURING FOOD ANIMALS, if you want to protest the torture, protest there very creation and killing and DONT eat there and shut the hell up

and i will take " PETA's actions are almost always illegal" for 200 Alex
the chicken people have a right to Die with Dignity

Oh that’s nothing compared to what would happen to them by if they were caught and killed any other animal. I say that we should be able to play volleyball with them if we really wanted. But no animal ties down it prey for however long it takes to make veal. So we shouldn’t be able to either. Destroy the veal plants and let them run free. That is until it’s time to kill em and grill em.
actually veal is a meat and plants generally dont have legs-unless your talken about those man eating tropical plants in Africa I saw on TV once--this lady laid on the tung of a beatuful giant flower and then it closed up and swallowed her whole

eating isnt murder its part of the incestuos cycle of non-stop living

So that only applies to plants, and not meat? Isn't that a double standard?

So that only applies to plants, and not meat? Isn't that a double standard?
eating is an act of love according to all the experts of symbolism

KFC does make some damn tasty chicken, though.

KFC does make some damn tasty chicken, though.I like Popeye's better. :D

eating is an act of love according to all the experts of symbolism

Hmm, silly me, I didn't realise that every* animal on the planet indulged in symbolism - I thought it was to gain nutrition to keep on living...




* Yes,. I'm sure some wise-guy-biologist-wannabe will find me an example of an animal that doesn't eat...;)

Here's something to consider: I have it from good authority (a vet friend of mine who discovered it during his training) that KFC buys chickens with skin diseases at a discount rate, because once they are covered in batter, you can't spot the blemishes...


...personally, this never put me off KFC.


*Note: for legal reasons, this is an urban myth! ;)

actually veal is a meat and plants generally dont have legs-unless your talken about those man eating tropical plants in Africa I saw on TV once--this lady laid on the tung of a beatuful giant flower and then it closed up and swallowed her whole

Um, you do realise 'Day of the Triffids' wasn't actually a documentary, right?

Is this supposed to be humourous? Pretending I ever said that? GFYS.

Er, sorry, MKULTRA said that. In quoting two different people in one post I forgot to change the name when I copy/pasted the quote tag. My apologies.


And MKULTRA, you're one of the best[1] trolls I've ever seen. Did you happen to go by the name of Taft in a former incarnation on a different site[2]?


Wallsy.

[1] Best, as in funniest.
[2] http://discworld.atuin.net if anyone cares.

what the hell does it matter if they break the chickens in half?! WHO CARES!?! If these damn PETA dumbasses would shut the fuck up, people MIGHT like them (not really, because many of them are dumbasses...)

Story about Peta and a snake (True Story)

A man was walking somewhere in the country, and he saw a snake. There was a family with small children walking towards the snake, so he got a stick, pinned it down, and tried to move it, but it tried to bite him, so he killed it. PETA put him in jail and sued him!!!

Wouldn't it have been simpler just to grab his brats by the scruff of the neck and pull them away from the snake instead of doing some halfassed Crocodile Hunter impersonation?

*the abuses of chickens detained at KFC processing camps have reached a new low and is a continuation of the abusive patterns against non-human people tortured in corporate slaughterhouses nationwide

Video Shows Abuse of Chickens at KFC Supplier
An investigator for the animal rights group PETA captured video showing chickens being kicked, stomped and thrown against a wall by workers at a supplier for Kentucky Fried Chicken, which has been under pressure since last year over the treatment of animals. Officials from Yum! Brands Inc., which owns the fast-food chain, said that the employee or employees responsible will be terminated. The footage was secretly taken at a plant in West Virginia by a PETA activist who worked there from October to May. PETA says its investigator also obtained eyewitness testimony about employees "ripping birds” beaks off, spray painting their faces, twisting their heads off, spitting tobacco into their mouths and eyes, and breaking them in half - all while the birds are still alive." PETA said it planned to ask West Virginia authorities to prosecute plant employees and managers under state animal-cruelty laws.

www.democracynow.org

1) I saw it on TV -- it was disgusting.
2) KFC is similarly disgusted and is considering taking their business elsewhere.
3) This is a supplier of theirs, NOT a KFC company. But far be it from PETA to tell the whole story when it would suit their agenda of making us a completely meatless society -- after all, animals come first.
4) Think about it logically -- is crushed, bruised chicken something KFC would want to market, from a strictly business point of view? Stomped chicken would most likely represent a loss in profit -- they either won't buy it or would throw it out...

its not terrorism-- thats propaganda by genocidal corporations with an anti-planet bias

I don't know how beating people, arson, setting bombs, and setting traps to kill and maim people (like spiking trees in logging areas?) could be defined as anything else.

if you violate the earths basic human rights you validate your own ultimate extinction

You need to be human to attain human rights.

the bible didnt say that-you are
(Thou Shalt not Kill applying to humans and not animals)


Then why is it that animal sacrifices were pleasing to God in the Bible? Hmmmmmm? There is all kinds of writing about taking lambs without blemish to sacrifice to God.

Um, you do realise 'Day of the Triffids' wasn't actually a documentary, right?
Im sure there coulda been some added embellishments but they have to make it entertaining for ratings

Er, sorry, MKULTRA said that. In quoting two different people in one post I forgot to change the name when I copy/pasted the quote tag. My apologies.


And MKULTRA, you're one of the best[1] trolls I've ever seen. Did you happen to go by the name of Taft in a former incarnation on a different site[2]?


Wallsy.

[1] Best, as in funniest.
[2] http://discworld.atuin.net if anyone cares.
LOL I lost count of all the sites Ive been exorcized from-the most dramatic one was being impeached in a senatesim site
:D

what the hell does it matter if they break the chickens in half?! WHO CARES!?! If these damn PETA dumbasses would shut the fuck up, people MIGHT like them (not really, because many of them are dumbasses...)

Story about Peta and a snake (True Story)

A man was walking somewhere in the country, and he saw a snake. There was a family with small children walking towards the snake, so he got a stick, pinned it down, and tried to move it, but it tried to bite him, so he killed it. PETA put him in jail and sued him!!!
the snake was within its rights-it was attacked first

I want to eat a dolphin.

Wouldn't it have been simpler just to grab his brats by the scruff of the neck and pull them away from the snake instead of doing some halfassed Crocodile Hunter impersonation?

It wasnt his family, dumbass... they had little children with them, and one of the small children might've gotten to close if he wandered off...

and MKULTRA, I should slap you for saying that...Snakes have no rights, read the Bible... God put the animals here for us to feast upon, not so we would protect them...

I've deciced to sponsor a vegetarian.

the snake was within its rights-it was attacked first

Stick != deadly poison. Plus, snakes don't have legally protected rights to self-defence.

You need to be human to attain human rights.
thats just semantics

thats just semantics

Do you even know what 'semantics' means?

Do you even know what 'semantics' means?
its a figure of speech

said that the employee or employees responsible will be terminated Terminated eh? I can rent you a mercinary soldier to do the job for $1,000 a day

Terminated eh? I can rent you a mercinary soldier to do the job for $1,000 a day
lol what if they just do to them what they did to the chicken people

goddamnit, CHICKEN ARE NOT PEOPLE

It wasnt his family, dumbass... they had little children with them, and one of the small children might've gotten to close if he wandered off...

and MKULTRA, I should slap you for saying that...Snakes have no rights, read the Bible... God put the animals here for us to feast upon, not so we would protect them...
Oh yeah, that's right, we're all Christians who believe everything the bloody book says. Tch.

Animals are not people, but they do feel pain both physically and mentally, therefore as decent people we should try to cause as little of it as possible.

I personally love meat, but only buy food that has come from animals that have lived a good natural life in the field not some tiny shed. If it were practical I'd get a bow and some arrows and go hunt for my own food, then at least i know anything I eat has actually lived a good, natural life.

Oh yeah, that's right, we're all Christians who believe everything the bloody book says. Tch.
I never said you were, but i saw that argument a few pages back... so i added that....

Animals are not people, but they do feel pain both physically and mentally, therefore as decent people we should try to cause as little of it as possible.

I personally love meat, but only buy food that has come from animals that have lived a good natural life in the field not some tiny shed. If it were practical I'd get a bow and some arrows and go hunt for my own food, then at least i know anything I eat has actually lived a good, natural life.That's about where I am, but I eat free range chicken and organic beef and pork for another reason--it tastes better and it's not treated with hormones. It's a little more expensive, so I eat a little less of it, but the taste is so much better.

I never said you were, but i saw that argument a few pages back... so i added that....
Meh.

It wasnt his family, dumbass... they had little children with them, and one of the small children might've gotten to close if he wandered off...

and MKULTRA, I should slap you for saying that...Snakes have no rights, read the Bible... God put the animals here for us to feast upon, not so we would protect them...

Uhm... not that I'm not about to go cook up a bunch of cow, but... you really need to read the Bible yourself.

"28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.


OK so I was half right :p

goddamnit, CHICKEN ARE NOT PEOPLE

who said they were?

That's about where I am, but I eat free range chicken and organic beef and pork for another reason--it tastes better and it's not treated with hormones. It's a little more expensive, so I eat a little less of it, but the taste is so much better.

I've been thinking about this and I don't know if it actually tastes better, or we just think it must taste better and therefore think it does. Hard to describe, but a bit like Heinz Tomato Sauce and the Green variety they sold for a while. It proven to taste identical, yet for some reason I just didn't like it very much whereas I eat the red stuff all the time. Either way though, good on you for shelling out for something you believe in. Meat's bound to be better for you too if theres no additives or antibiotics pumped into the animal's sorry ass.

If it wasn't for my belief in the government letting people spend their money how they see fit I'd be all in favour of the government taxing battery farmed meat and subsidizing organic meat.

who said they were?

The initial poster called them "non-human people".

Do you even know what 'semantics' means?

Hehe thats funny :P

1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

I'm confused - doesn't point 4 contradict point 3? Not trying to be a wiseass, genuinely wondering...or does point 4 mean you can't eat humans?

I'm confused - doesn't point 4 contradict point 3? Not trying to be a wiseass, genuinely wondering...or does point 4 mean you can't eat humans?

No it means you cannot eat blood.

No it means you cannot eat blood.
is that a reference to vampires?

So you can eat anything that moves, but not it's blood? How very odd...

I've been thinking about this and I don't know if it actually tastes better, or we just think it must taste better and therefore think it does. Hard to describe, but a bit like Heinz Tomato Sauce and the Green variety they sold for a while. It proven to taste identical, yet for some reason I just didn't like it very much whereas I eat the red stuff all the time. Either way though, good on you for shelling out for something you believe in. Meat's bound to be better for you too if theres no additives or antibiotics pumped into the animal's sorry ass.

If it wasn't for my belief in the government letting people spend their money how they see fit I'd be all in favour of the government taxing battery farmed meat and subsidizing organic meat.
The place where I've noticed the greatest taste difference is in eggs and chicken, mainly because I eat more of them these days, but there's a noticeable difference between free range chicken and battery farm chicken, even if it's just because of the quality of life of the animal while it's alive.

I believe #4 bans cannibalism or eating things when they are still alive. They should do more research into what the hormones and antibiotics do to us when we eat injected animals, but nothing's happened to us so far.

Hmm...Chicken.....

Let's see. I had pineapple chicken covered in a rich Thai curry sauce from a local takeout place on Wednesday and last night, my coworkers and I bought spring rolls and chicken fried rice. Hmm... doesn't that make me the devil incarnate for eating all those "non-human people", Chairman Mao? Oh wait, even Chairman Mao ate kung pao chicken.

I can see a small problem here as the workers were destroying potentially good food. But of course PETA overexaggerates everything anyways to give justification for ecoterrorists' acts.

The two things that makes me really really hate ecoterrorists even more than I already do is that a lot of them won't take responsibility for their actions and then they try to force their views on everyone but when police crack down on them, they scream the 1st amendment. Completely two-faced and communist indeed.

This topic reminds me of a helarious incident. There was a huge fight between Zuhrahs(some performance group that sponsors children's hospitals or something) and ecoterrorists because the ecoterrorists tried to knock the Zuhrahs off their horses during a parade because riding "hurt the horses." This all occured in downtown Minneapolis, MN, in the middle of a huge metropolitan area, in front of a lot little kids... Just shows how low they are.

actually veal is a meat and plants generally dont have legs-unless your talken about those man eating tropical plants in Africa I saw on TV once--this lady laid on the tung of a beatuful giant flower and then it closed up and swallowed her whole

Fist off I know that Veal is a meat.
Second, the veal plants I was talking about are the farms where they tie the cows down so they can't even move. Not plants as in vegetation.

its a figure of speech

"Semantics: The meaning or the interpretation of a word, sentence, or other language form: We're basically agreed; let's not quibble over semantics."

Just so you know. :-)


Wallsy.