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Yes! The U.s. Is Not A Superpower No More! Make Way For China!


Hey guys I'm back on :cool:

I agree China is more of a world superpower than we are for the simple fact that they have no regard for human life. it doesn't really matter to them if they send 200 million troops over here they would still have more than 2 time our population still in china.

So your option is for me to solve someone else's problems? If they are unemployed..it is up to them to get a job..if they don't feel represented in their government..then they need to change it themselves...if they feel like Mickey D's are culturally damaging...then don't buy there...If they feel like only their religion is acceptable..I have a problem then...

I'm more thinking that if a very large group of people are living in absolute poverty, and can be easily pursuaded by extermists that Westerners are the root of all evil, then maybe we can at least address their poverty in the first place.

Suicide bombers are not people who are born evil. They are people with little hope for the future, they are angry, they are ignorant, and they are targets for recruitment by extremists bin Laden.

I know it's a big ask, and a very long-term solution to terrorism, but to it is ridiculous to ignore the poverty of these people while insisting that killing terrorists will stop all terrorism.

you can't fund it because the money won't go in the right place and even if we do set something up, the terrorists will just bomb it to keep their people down.

My solution isn't final and I realize that someday in the future the problem will resurface. Morals and ideals stand in the way of hard decisions. I hope there are other solutions, but this is the easiest one to implement and also IMO the most effective. We'd be protecting our way of life and our liberties at the expense of others liberties. Soul is a manner of faith and miserable is a manner of opinion. I'd rather see citizens in the West safe and having to live with an immoral act rather then see them die, because states weren't willing to make the tough choices.

If you know it's not final and that it won't stop the terrorist problem, then why do it?

Just to let you know that I'm atheist and that I don't really believe that I have a ghost-like spirit "soul" living inside me; it was probably the wrong word to use. I do believe that all (or at least the vast majority) of humans have a conscience. What would our "liberties" be worth? Most citizens in the West could not live with that immoral act. What's the difference between innocent Westerners getting murdered or innocent Arabs getting murdered? They're all people, nobody's life is more valuable than another's.

I notice that your examples of where this tactic has "worked" are all places where the instant media wasn't there to report it to the average people of the west and the world. That makes a difference. If they know it's happening, they won't tolerate it.

What I mean is its more of a category how many British or American cities have terrorist comeing from the or are supporting terrorists. I don't mean ALL when I say all I mean like 99%. Let me rephrase what I said.

I think all citys that support muslim terror should be listed and the biggest should be obliterated.
Then why not list Belfast? Terrorists are born there and they find support there. They're not Muslims, but what does that matter? Catholic/Protestant terrorism or Muslim terrorism, it's the same shit.

Absolutely. And we could include Boston and New York too, both of which raised huge sums of money for the IRA. Oh, and how about Washington? Look at all the support they've given to terrorists all over the world, of every stripe and hue.

Nope. Last time I looked, the IRA, UDF, and other "terrorists" in Northern Ireland were simply criminal gangs of thugs, not terrorists. When they start suicide bombings, let me know.

I really can't believe that you are being serious here.

You appear to be claiming that blowing up innocent men, women and children is somehow worse if you blow yourself up when you do so. So when the Real IRA killed 29 people and injured hundreds in Omagh in 1998, this wasn't terrorism, because they didn't blow up any of their own members when they did so?

You are either joking or an idiot.

Nope. Last time I looked, the IRA, UDF, and other "terrorists" in Northern Ireland were simply criminal gangs of thugs, not terrorists. When they start suicide bombings, let me know.

oki, so you must kill yourself to be a terrorist? in that case you can't label bin Laden a terrorist, cuz he hasn't. Or those who thretten to decapitate americans and thier allies if they don't leave Iraq.

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Hey again,


Ok first I just want to do a quick bitch. Someone said earlyier about someone trying to make Americans look like morons. Personally I have found most of them can do it on there own and dont need help. I know most Americans are nice people but some are complete tossers. In fact most of them on fourms are.


Next I think it is obvious from the massive reponse to this topic that people see terrorism is a threat. But it is not a new threat. It has been around for years and years. The fact is it has been taken up a notch by the least favorite person in the world (see the poles) Mr Bush. He says that if he could have stopped the 9/11 attacks he would have tried his hardest. Simply..Sod the world I defend America. that is fine, he can do that all he wants. However if he likes America how it is, if he will protect it all he can. Then can he leave other countrys alone. Because if he cant do that then he can stick his....no I better stop. I am not a fan of this man. Or any politician. The fact is terrorism is here to stay no matter what it will not leave at all not for a long time.

And if you think that blowing inncent people up is a good idea. Then go ahead cos I asure you if something like that ever happens. I will walk upto your door and use that nice little american law of being able to own a gun shoot your familys dead yet leave you alive. Then tell me how you feel. I bet you will want revenge. This is what millions of people have had to deal with and if you think you know what it is like then fine do what you will. But i really dont think you do.

oki, so you must kill yourself to be a terrorist? in that case you can't label bin Laden a terrorist, cuz he hasn't. Or those who thretten to decapitate americans and thier allies if they don't leave Iraq.

No. You have to attack America or Isreal to become a terrorist. Using terror as a tool elsewhere is perfectly fine (sarc).

I really can't believe that you are being serious here.

You appear to be claiming that blowing up innocent men, women and children is somehow worse if you blow yourself up when you do so. So when the Real IRA killed 29 people and injured hundreds in Omagh in 1998, this wasn't terrorism, because they didn't blow up any of their own members when they did so?

You are either joking or an idiot.

Neither. Again the various factions in Northern Ireland are not at all like the Al Qaida or Hamas.
The IRA and UDF are criminal gangs. They have more in common with Al Capone than with Osama.
The troubles between them are the Crips and the Bloods writ large.

Since when is terrorism restricted to suicide bombings?

It isn't, but in the case of this argument, it is a convenient dividing line. Those who are willing to absolutely die for the cause vs those who only possibly risk death.

You can not fight a war on hatred and/or jealousy. You can't kill an idea.

The cold, calculated application of force used to destroy everyone who accepts a given idea can kill it. As I have said above, the Mongols killed off the idea of the original suicide terrorist cult by killing every last possible member. They didn't do it because they hated them or because they were jealous, but because they were a mortal threat.

Well one way to combat Terrorism is to take away what they are fighting for or make it not worth while. Take Isreal and and palistine. If palistine would stop caging in towns and cites and give them a right to vote and become one nation with 2 states the violence would have no purpose and be condemed. In Iraq make sure the government functions well so that most Iraqies are more happy with that government than with saddam and make US presence less evident wich is currently taken place. As stated before give the Middle east youth more knowledge becuase most are told from a young age of all the propoganda. Normally this either means changing the government or convincing it to reform like Iran or Syria.

Such as, Surrender or Die?

No, more like we won't buy your products or allow you to do business with us until you stop funding terrorism. We will, however, support your competitors.

But it won't happen, so relax.

Hi all,
I just want to currect afew things about Israel
I served as an Infantry man in the Israeli army for a couple of Israel.
Our methods do work, First of all, Any place thats been covered by the security fence we are building is of no danger anymore, the number of suicide bombers has decreased to a zero in those areas.

Second, There is no Palestine, Never was, There might be one in the future but thats to detemine through negotiations.. saying there is a war between Israel and Palestine is wrong, We are fighting against Palestinian Terrorism.. Not the Palestinians themselves, I and I believe most Israelis dont have a problem with the avarage Palestinian joe.

Terrorism will be won without its leadership, in most cases, most terrorist orginizations have founders and heads, destroy them and the terrorists abilities will be crippled severly!

I also disagree with negotiating with any country that supports and funds terrorism, leaders of those countries should stand to court and not see endorsements, it only encourages them.

Peace everyone, I hope it will come soon.

Neither. Again the various factions in Northern Ireland are not at all like the Al Qaida or Hamas.
The IRA and UDF are criminal gangs. They have more in common with Al Capone than with Osama.
The troubles between them are the Crips and the Bloods writ large.

Hamas are using suicidebombers to try to force Israel to let Palestina not be a part of Israel anymore. IRAs wanted to free Northern Ireland from the protestantic UK while using carbombs.

Capone on the other hand, his goal was to make money and gain power by taking over as great parts of illegal marketstuff as possible. Never proven in court, but i bet he has killed and order the killing of competitors to do so.

So, no, i very much disagree with you. IRA, Hamas and Al Qaida mean to attack goverment or nations, Capone didn't.

They may have a lot of nukes and soldiers but is that enough?
Can you modify nukes to terrorist-only or train your soldiers to recognise potential terrorists?
Sending troops to Iraq and Afgh. doesn't help at all imo: terrorists are scattered throughout the world waiting, training. When you have finally killed one leader another will take over the throne, which is not made of material.
Thousands of potential leaders are willing to sit there for a while even when they know it's a hot seat.
Contrary to what some believe, it is very hard to trace terrorists even with billions of dollars going to highly specialized institutions in America.

But is there a solution?
There will always be unjust in the world, a lesson can be learned from NS here cuz mostly there is no good answer to certain questions.
Might is the hardest thing for men to master.

... I and I believe ...
Off topic, but would you, by chance, happen to be Rastafarian? Just wondering...

well, you can stop terrorism by destroying and killing everyone, no humans is no terrorism

Hi all,
I just want to currect afew things about Israel
I served as an Infantry man in the Israeli army for a couple of Israel.
Our methods do work, First of all, Any place thats been covered by the security fence we are building is of no danger anymore, the number of suicide bombers has decreased to a zero in those areas.

Second, There is no Palestine, Never was, There might be one in the future but thats to detemine through negotiations.. saying there is a war between Israel and Palestine is wrong, We are fighting against Palestinian Terrorism.. Not the Palestinians themselves, I and I believe most Israelis dont have a problem with the avarage Palestinian joe.

Terrorism will be won without its leadership, in most cases, most terrorist orginizations have founders and heads, destroy them and the terrorists abilities will be crippled severly!

I also disagree with negotiating with any country that supports and funds terrorism, leaders of those countries should stand to court and not see endorsements, it only encourages them.

Peace everyone, I hope it will come soon.

is it just me or does anyone else get dejá vu of the Berlin Wall when they hear of the Israeli "security fence", hey man how far apart are the armed guard towers gonna be?

another ignorant idiot, YOU CANT KILL THE HEADS OF THE ORGANIZTION AND STOP TERRORISM, this is not a damned army or nation, you dont kill the head and have the body die, terrorism is a damned hydra, you chop off a head and 2 more appear, your making the dead a damned martyr, throwing fuel on the fire of the hate against you. maybe if you idiots learned to deal with the reason for terrorism isntead of pretending you can kill the "leaders" you would end terrorism, sadly you are stupid, apparently bush is taking military advice from that nitwit sharon, hey lets use "precision strikes" into large mobs to kill a single person

IF ANYONE HERE HAS HEARD OF A SNIPER RIFLE RAISE YOUR HAND, I KNOW I HAVE. you want to make a precision strike on a single person that you know where the are located, thats what damned sniper rifles are for, not sidewinders.

i have ahard time comprehending who the real terrorist is, the palestinian militants or israeli state

You don't. You can't. What a rediculous topic.

I haven't read the entire argument so I don't know whether this idea has come forward, but anyway, an idea to solve terrorism in 'Israel' (I personally prefer Palastine - probably a typo) is to stop firing bullets into the suicide bomber's kid's heads. A few of the suicides are just gullible jackassses that belive they are dying for their religions when in actual fact they are just making everybody think their entire race and religion is disgusting. But a lot of the suicides kill themselves because they have nothing left. Their kids - dead. Their partner - dead. Their entire fucking family - dead. Their job - been taken over by Israelis. So what do they have to lose? Nothing. I think their idea is that if they kill themselves they might as well take down a few of the people who stole not just their job, not just everything they own, but their country. Here's a solution - get America to stop funding that total bastard Sharon and then a lot of people stop dying.

The gullible idiots? I think that the imams preaching hatred towards the west is mass murder. Mass murder is, in my view, punishable by execution. No torture or family killing, because then we're just as bad as they are. Just get rid of them and get it into the rest of the people's heads that killing yourself in the name of Islam achieves jack shit. Islam is a good religion - just bcause some bastards corrupt it doesn't mean that Muslims are evil

The 9/11 thing? we've seen the footage of the hijackers bringing metal in the form of knives and guns onto the plane. After the metal was detected by coventional detectors at the queues - and detected afterwards by the hand-held detectors - and not removed - and still let on the fucking plane - suggests that something is wrong. It's unlikely that the security were so stupid as to not realise the danger. I smell corruption. I think they were let on the plane from the orders on top. I forget the name of the book, but there is a book that mentions the fact that the hijacked planes were not intercepted according to standard army counter - terrorist procedure. The planes that were deployed (eventually) travelled at 500 mph. Fast but not even breaking a sweat compared to the usual 1500. The plane that was taken over by the passengers... was shot down. By a missile. An AMERICAN missile. With Bush stealing the vote and helping to screw the planet, I don't trust him. 9/11 was his fault. After the people he's killed, he should also be executed.

You cannot stop terrorism cause there will always be terror.

i have ahard time comprehending who the real terrorist is, the palestinian militants or israeli state

Me aswell, actually. They both kill eachother of without a fair trial.

Don’t be so damned technologically advanced than your enemy and try not to outnumber them by too much. Have a war that actually takes a while to fight and not trying to rush into things so damn much that stumbling isn’t so much of a factor and the enemy will be less likely to take drastic measures. Keep the media out of the war so damn much. Send them a fruit basket every now and then to keep them on your good side before war becomes necessary.

But that’s just me.

OK,first off apologies for the 'idiot' comment - there has been too much idiocy (IMHO) in this thread already, and you just happened to be the person I finally vented my spleen at..

Neither. Again the various factions in Northern Ireland are not at all like the Al Qaida or Hamas.
The IRA and UDF are criminal gangs. They have more in common with Al Capone than with Osama.
The troubles between them are the Crips and the Bloods writ large.

Secondly - you either mean the UDA (Ulster Defense Army) or the UVF (Ulster Volunteer Force), but seeing as how one is the branch of the other, this is fairly irrelevant to your argument as a whole.

Thirdly, although an argument can be made that the UDA/UVF are not really a terrorist force as they are fighting for a maintenance of the status quo (ie. continued politicl governance of Northern Ireland as part of the UK), I think this is a straw man argument - they employ the tactics of terror (bombings, assassinations, intimidations in order to achieve their politic aims), this argument does not hold up when one looks at groups such as the IRA (to be clear here - the Continuity or the Real IRA, rather than the Provos, who maintain their uneasy ceasefire).

What is the stated aim of the IRA? To remove the occupying British forces from Northern Ireland, and to see the six counties unified with the Republic.

How do they aim to achieve these goals? Through the use of bombs and guns directed against British forces located in Northern Ireland, and throughout the world, as well as against those whom they see to be supporting the British establishment, and those that they see to be the British establishment.

I am not denying that a large part of the people involved in paramilitary organisations in Northern Ireland are involved in little more than gangsterism currently, but that does not mean that their motives for doing so are not overtly politically motivated. However, there still remain many groups on the fringes which remain avowedly commited to violent methods to attain their political aims, and continue to carry out violent acts of terrorism in order to achieve them.

EDIT: the fact that I have been drinking whiskey and soda for the past couple of hours may not have helped the clarity of this response, but in summary I am saying: "No, they are actually closer to Al Qaeda than AL Capone, because they are politically motivated".

Since when is terrorism restricted to suicide bombings?
It isn't, but in the case of this argument, it is a convenient dividing line. Those who are willing to absolutely die for the cause vs those who only possibly risk death.

As has been pointed out upthread, by this demarcation you have no evidence that your favourite bogey man - Osama Bin Laden - is actually a terrorist.

Nope. Last time I looked, the IRA, UDF, and other "terrorists" in Northern Ireland were simply criminal gangs of thugs, not terrorists. When they start suicide bombings, let me know.

Did you by any chance eat a lot of lead-based paint as a child?

I suggest you write a paper on "Why the IRA and UDF are NOT terrorists", turn it in to anyone who isn't in a mental institution, and challenge them not to laugh as soon as they read the title. Better yet, hand it to someone who lost a family member in the last few decades because of bombings in the UK, and see if they don't put their fist into your face.

Anyway, I am already diapppointed in myself that I wasted this many keystrokes responding to what is probably the dumbest statement I have ever read on the internet...

The only way to truly stop terrorism is to work toward eradicating poverty and ignorance. All other solutions are temporary and do not attack the problem at its roots.
Actually, according to Fareed Zakaria, we are traditionally respected, if not admired, by the poor in the Middle East. If that's a factor, why aren't the Muslim nations of Mauritania and Niger rising against us?
The problem is the opposite: they're so rich, but ignorant. Educating your son in the US has no effect when they can't use their knowledge at home. Besides, wealth distribution is very uneven, and the rulers subdue everyone else with social programs. Now, the governments of the Middle East have done too much in their activities to make them angry, and they are rising. Too much of their anger lies with the West, however, as many see them as the source of every ill, even those within their families.

Since when is terrorism restricted to suicide bombings?


It isn't, but in the case of this argument, it is a convenient dividing line. Those who are willing to absolutely die for the cause vs those who only possibly risk death.

I would suggest that you try typing in '"Bobby Sands" +"Hungerstrike"' to the search engine of your choice. We will continue this debate when you have done so....


I will also point out that according to your claim Jesus (if we believe the rough outline of the Gospels) was a terrorist, as were the self-immolating monks protesting the war in Vietnam, and although I may not be able to name US soldiers that were prepared to die for the cause in Vietnam, and did so, I'm sure that other posters such as Salishe could...

i think a good method would be to kill off the families of the terrorists. That method was used when Jordan started getting attacks and it stopped very quickly.

I can't believe you said that. Doing that would make us terrorists too. If we do things like that we are stooping to their level.

You kill them in the most brutal ways imaginable.

Look at the Soviet Union. IIRC, some terrorist scumbags ambushed a Russian contractor. When they found out he was a ruskie, they let him go immediately.

During the Chechnya war, the Russians received a demand for the release of insurgents. If they refused, the terrorists would kill the Russian soldiers they had.

Russia's response? They dragged all the prisoners out, and beheaded them. Then they sent a tape to the terrorists.

Result: No more attempts at kidnappings.

You kill them in the most brutal ways imaginable.

Look at the Soviet Union. IIRC, some terrorist scumbags ambushed a Russian contractor. When they found out he was a ruskie, they let him go immediately.

During the Chechnya war, the Russians received a demand for the release of insurgents. If they refused, the terrorists would kill the Russian soldiers they had.

Russia's response? They dragged all the prisoners out, and beheaded them. Then they sent a tape to the terrorists.

Result: No more attempts at kidnappings.

Huh? I am pretty sure that the chechnyan rebells still do kidnappings.

You kill them in the most brutal ways imaginable.

Look at the Soviet Union. IIRC, some terrorist scumbags ambushed a Russian contractor. When they found out he was a ruskie, they let him go immediately.

During the Chechnya war, the Russians received a demand for the release of insurgents. If they refused, the terrorists would kill the Russian soldiers they had.

Russia's response? They dragged all the prisoners out, and beheaded them. Then they sent a tape to the terrorists.

Result: No more attempts at kidnappings.

Which Chuck Norris movie was that?

You kill them in the most brutal ways imaginable.

Look at the Soviet Union. IIRC, some terrorist scumbags ambushed a Russian contractor. When they found out he was a ruskie, they let him go immediately.

During the Chechnya war, the Russians received a demand for the release of insurgents. If they refused, the terrorists would kill the Russian soldiers they had.

Russia's response? They dragged all the prisoners out, and beheaded them. Then they sent a tape to the terrorists.

Result: No more attempts at kidnappings.
oh yeah they switched to out and out mass killings

It might be an idea to check out who you're funding and what the results could be. The Taliban were funded by the CIA so they could fight the Russians in Afghanistan. Rifles point both ways, Guys. There's evidence that Pakistan had something to do with 9/11. And who's our best buddy now? And we are funding them.
We are cosying up to the corrupt Saudi regime, who are Wahhabi muslims. And what are Al Quaeda? Wahhabi!
Do the math!

Look at the Soviet Union...

During the Chechnya war, the Russians received a demand for the release of insurgents. If they refused, the terrorists would kill the Russian soldiers they had.


You are aware that the Soviet Union no longer exists, yes?

It might be an idea to check out who you're funding and what the results could be. The Taliban were funded by the CIA so they could fight the Russians in Afghanistan. Rifles point both ways, Guys. There's evidence that Pakistan had something to do with 9/11. And who's our best buddy now? And we are funding them.
We are cosying up to the corrupt Saudi regime, who are Wahhabi muslims. And what are Al Quaeda? Wahhabi!
Do the math!

You... you mean... THINK AHEAD?! Actually pay some attention to the global picture and not run around handing out weapons like they were sweeties to every evil, swivel-eyed lunatic for some short-term and often merely commerical advantage? Well, kudos for thinking outside the box, but it's a bit too radical, don't you think? :)

But what gives people the idea that our various governments WANT to "stop terrorism"? (Please, nobody say, "because they said so": I don't think my sides could take it.) The War Against Terror (T.W.A.T. -- a tad unfortunate there) is God's gift to the various directors and business associates of the arms industry who make up so much of our governing class. For fifty-odd years, we've been running a war economy, to face down the threat from the evil godless communist oppressors who, we were told, were just itching to invade. Fifty years where huge, mind-blowing amounts of money and its bedfellow, political clout, flowed unceasingly into the military and its associated industries. Then, to their horror, the e.g.c.o's packed it in practically overnight and there we were, bristling with firepower and nowhere to point it. People started to say things like "peace dividend" and "swords into ploughshares". Man, did that scare the shit out of our boys in the MI complex. The hunt for a new enemy was on.

Cue Saddam, former loyal ally and smiling genocidal pal of the West: suddenly he was "the greatest threat to world peace since Hitler". Riiiight. But although Gulf War I made good TV, it was kind of easy: it was still hard to justify the Cold-War levels of defence spending. But now -- by chance, merely: I don't think these people have the wit to be able to execute a conspiracy on this scale -- we have the myserious and locationless Al Qaida. This is perfect. It's a "secret" war, or at least a covert one, and there's endless places to hide the money being spent. Plus -- and this is the kicker -- we can't beat them and they can't beat us! They'll never give up, and every time we kill one of them we create a martyr around which new recruits will gather. But it's not like they're ever going to conquer the West, either. It's the perfect foe, guaranteeing us war without end, without risk to the political overlords, and ensuring military funding without cease. And it can be used to scare people into giving up on a bunch of inconvenient civil liberties, and to label anyone who might harbour any doubt as "unpatriotic" and "a supporter of terrorism". Who wants to defeat terrorism?

You... you mean... THINK AHEAD?! Actually pay some attention to the global picture and not run around handing out weapons like they were sweeties to every evil, swivel-eyed lunatic for some short-term and often merely commerical advantage? Well, kudos for thinking outside the box, but it's a bit too radical, don't you think? :)

But what gives people the idea that our various governments WANT to "stop terrorism"? (Please, nobody say, "because they said so": I don't think my sides could take it.) The War Against Terror (T.W.A.T. -- a tad unfortunate there) is God's gift to the various directors and business associates of the arms industry who make up so much of our governing class. For fifty-odd years, we've been running a war economy, to face down the threat from the evil godless communist oppressors who, we were told, were just itching to invade. Fifty years where huge, mind-blowing amounts of money and its bedfellow, political clout, flowed unceasingly into the military and its associated industries. Then, to their horror, the e.g.c.o's packed it in practically overnight and there we were, bristling with firepower and nowhere to point it. People started to say things like "peace dividend" and "swords into ploughshares". Man, did that scare the shit out of our boys in the MI complex. The hunt for a new enemy was on.

Cue Saddam, former loyal ally and smiling genocidal pal of the West: suddenly he was "the greatest threat to world peace since Hitler". Riiiight. But although Gulf War I made good TV, it was kind of easy: it was still hard to justify the Cold-War levels of defence spending. But now -- by chance, merely: I don't think these people have the wit to be able to execute a conspiracy on this scale -- we have the myserious and locationless Al Qaida. This is perfect. It's a "secret" war, or at least a covert one, and there's endless places to hide the money being spent. Plus -- and this is the kicker -- we can't beat them and they can't beat us! They'll never give up, and every time we kill one of them we create a martyr around which new recruits will gather. But it's not like they're ever going to conquer the West, either. It's the perfect foe, guaranteeing us war without end, without risk to the political overlords, and ensuring military funding without cease. And it can be used to scare people into giving up on a bunch of inconvenient civil liberties, and to label anyone who might harbour any doubt as "unpatriotic" and "a supporter of terrorism". Who wants to defeat terrorism?


Ahuhhhhh...and do let me know when you see the Black Helicopters landing in your neighborhood and you'll need to rearrange that aluminum triangle cap to keep out the messages the Government is sending into your brain....

With FIRE!!! Fire solves everything.

You... you mean... THINK AHEAD?! Actually pay some attention to the global picture and not run around handing out weapons like they were sweeties to every evil, swivel-eyed lunatic for some short-term and often merely commerical advantage? Well, kudos for thinking outside the box, but it's a bit too radical, don't you think? :)

But what gives people the idea that our various governments WANT to "stop terrorism"? (Please, nobody say, "because they said so": I don't think my sides could take it.) The War Against Terror (T.W.A.T. -- a tad unfortunate there) is God's gift to the various directors and business associates of the arms industry who make up so much of our governing class. For fifty-odd years, we've been running a war economy, to face down the threat from the evil godless communist oppressors who, we were told, were just itching to invade. Fifty years where huge, mind-blowing amounts of money and its bedfellow, political clout, flowed unceasingly into the military and its associated industries. Then, to their horror, the e.g.c.o's packed it in practically overnight and there we were, bristling with firepower and nowhere to point it. People started to say things like "peace dividend" and "swords into ploughshares". Man, did that scare the shit out of our boys in the MI complex. The hunt for a new enemy was on.

Cue Saddam, former loyal ally and smiling genocidal pal of the West: suddenly he was "the greatest threat to world peace since Hitler". Riiiight. But although Gulf War I made good TV, it was kind of easy: it was still hard to justify the Cold-War levels of defence spending. But now -- by chance, merely: I don't think these people have the wit to be able to execute a conspiracy on this scale -- we have the myserious and locationless Al Qaida. This is perfect. It's a "secret" war, or at least a covert one, and there's endless places to hide the money being spent. Plus -- and this is the kicker -- we can't beat them and they can't beat us! They'll never give up, and every time we kill one of them we create a martyr around which new recruits will gather. But it's not like they're ever going to conquer the West, either. It's the perfect foe, guaranteeing us war without end, without risk to the political overlords, and ensuring military funding without cease. And it can be used to scare people into giving up on a bunch of inconvenient civil liberties, and to label anyone who might harbour any doubt as "unpatriotic" and "a supporter of terrorism". Who wants to defeat terrorism?

Very well put.

I just want to say there are al lot of wise people on this Thread.
I've heard a lot of good things here.

Gettin all sentimental :rolleyes:

Ahuhhhhh...and do let me know when you see the Black Helicopters landing in your neighborhood and you'll need to rearrange that aluminum triangle cap to keep out the messages the Government is sending into your brain....

Perhaps you should re-read the part where I said "But now -- by chance, merely: I don't think these people have the wit to be able to execute a conspiracy on this scale -- we have the myserious and locationless Al Qaida." It's just luck, man. All they are doing is taking advantage of developing circumstances. Is that so hard to believe? Was President Eisenhower a conspiracy nut when he said the following in his farewell address?

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

(my emphasis -- full text can be found here (http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html)).

Grow up, man. What sort of world do you think we live in? Take a look at where the money goes, and ask yourself, "what wouldn't some people do for a slice of that?" Or maybe your government is good and clean and pure and true: in that case, have you ever considered the benefits of owning a really world-class bridge?

You take a bomb...a real BIG bomb, and make their countries a big parking lot. :sniper:

You take a bomb...a real BIG bomb, and make their countries a big parking lot. :sniper:

Ah. (Assuming that you are American) Does the name Timothy McVeigh ring any bells? Weathermen? Symbionese Liberation Army?

only just seen this thread and there isn't time to read it all so here's my penn'orth...

one way of stopping terrorism is to fully understand those who carry out terrorist activities and to find out why they feel the need to carry out these activities.

Once that is understood, then ways can be looked for which enable the removal of that need. This needs to be done in such a way as to be acceptable to those on the receiving end for, if they don't feel comfortable about it then the problem will just continue.

If the need for terrorism is removed then there will be no terrorism.

one way of stopping terrorism is to fully understand those who carry out terrorist activities and to find out why they feel the need to carry out these activities.

Once that is understood, then ways can be looked for which enable the removal of that need.

"Yay!" for the quiet voice of reason.

You take a bomb...a real BIG bomb, and make their countries a big parking lot. :sniper:


USA will then make a nice parkinglot for canadians and mexicans. Ireland and France would also get a nice one, the UK.

Mexico and Canada do not have the man power nor the government to pull that off. :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: eh.eh.eh.

Mexico and Canada do not have the man power nor the government to pull that off. :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: eh.eh.eh.

where did i say that Mexico and Canada woulld be the ones to drop the bomb?

only just seen this thread and there isn't time to read it all so here's my penn'orth...

one way of stopping terrorism is to fully understand those who carry out terrorist activities and to find out why they feel the need to carry out these activities.

Once that is understood, then ways can be looked for which enable the removal of that need. This needs to be done in such a way as to be acceptable to those on the receiving end for, if they don't feel comfortable about it then the problem will just continue.

If the need for terrorism is removed then there will be no terrorism.

Sane words, but I'm afraid they'll fall on deaf ears. The public has been whipped up into a frenzy and groomed to believe that this would be "giving in" to terrorism.

Your example is more like trying to treat a disease with medicine - Bush's groupies would rather amputate limb after limb in the hope that the disease will get scared and leave the body.

Sane words, but I'm afraid they'll fall on deaf ears. The public has been whipped up into a frenzy and groomed to believe that this would be "giving in" to terrorism.

Your example is more like trying to treat a disease with medicine - Bush's groupies would rather amputate limb after limb in the hope that the disease will get scared and leave the body.

Ditto!

Sane words, but I'm afraid they'll fall on deaf ears. The public has been whipped up into a frenzy and groomed to believe that this would be "giving in" to terrorism.

Don't under-estimate the public. The public is people like you and me (for good or ill). Once you start making those kind of comments it isn't a million miles from the seeds of fascism.

Reading all of the posts that have been made since last I posted (I have been here a while). It makes me wonder...

Why havent we sent letters to our respective goverenments telling them some of the things that have been brought up here. True they already know this, but for everyletter that they recieve, it counts as something like 100 (poss 1000) opinons of different people. Perhaps with these types of things, and with the governments getting inundated with these. They may all start to think about what is going on. Try and find a better way. (something we have not thought about.)

I say give it a go. I am already planning something to send to Mr Blair though it may need editing, I do not think Dear Mr Bushs bum chum is a good start. The fact is we need to let our governments know how WE the people feel. And if they want our votes they will have to change. After all in a democracy arnt we supposed to have control?

Reading all of the posts that have been made since last I posted (I have been here a while). It makes me wonder...

Why havent we sent letters to our respective goverenments telling them some of the things that have been brought up here. True they already know this, but for everyletter that they recieve, it counts as something like 100 (poss 1000) opinons of different people. Perhaps with these types of things, and with the governments getting inundated with these. They may all start to think about what is going on. Try and find a better way. (something we have not thought about.)

I say give it a go. I am already planning something to send to Mr Blair though it may need editing, I do not think Dear Mr Bushs bum chum is a good start. The fact is we need to let our governments know how WE the people feel. And if they want our votes they will have to change. After all in a democracy arnt we supposed to have control?

Good idea, except that the government doesn't care two-hoots about what a 17-year-old, non-voter, democracy-advocate thinks.

Good idea, except that the government doesn't care two-hoots about what a 17-year-old, non-voter, democracy-advocate thinks.
yeah, screw democracy

yeah, screw democracy

NO! SCREW TOTALITARIANISM AND ANARCHISM! Democracy rocks!!!!!

You may think that the government couldnt give a monkeys about a 17 year old. But I am legally allowed to vote. do they wont my vote. then they can change.

And this is the thing. We are the voters of the future. Sorry to make you think ahead, but we are the people they need to keep them in power.

Its like in business, a product or service is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Consumers, US, are the people with the power in society. Now this is off topic. But at the same time if we want to stop terrorism we need to start taking control of the countrys that WE run. Not some government, they are merely the guys that hold the books.

You may think that the government couldnt give a monkeys about a 17 year old. But I am legally allowed to vote. do they wont my vote. then they can change.

And this is the thing. We are the voters of the future. Sorry to make you think ahead, but we are the people they need to keep them in power.

Its like in business, a product or service is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Consumers, US, are the people with the power in society. Now this is off topic. But at the same time if we want to stop terrorism we need to start taking control of the countrys that WE run. Not some government, they are merely the guys that hold the books.
the problem is my government doesn't run a democracy. it can be years before i get to elect my chief. currently it's dressed up as a limited democracy but is actually hand-picked, and the hand-picker isn't allowing any room to increase the level of democracy.

Their are so many ppl who wont follow this cause they think its genocide...well it is but let me get to the point. If you kill all the Muslims or just blow the shit out of the Middle East Terrorism will be gone but their would be another problem... other countries trying to destroy urs cause they wouldnt understand what we did it for....so my suggestioin is to just Round up all the muslims and put them in a place and kill em all of...yeah yeah sounds like Hitler but who cares u want to stop terrorism Then u have to GO TO JURASTIC MEASURES. I hope u all understand.

Ok. Aside from the rude comments directed towards me

Here's some info re the difference between the middle eastern terrorists and the main Irish gangs:
There is a UDF. It's one of the several protestant paramilitary groups. http://www.geocities.com/collusion2000_1999/orangepara.html

The IRA and the other "terrorist" groups were revolutionaries once. However they are primarily drug pushing criminals closer to the Crips and Bloods now. (And I have that on the authority of several Irish co-workers on both sides, including fprmer police and military).

Their are so many ppl who wont follow this cause they think its genocide...well it is but let me get to the point. If you kill all the Muslims or just blow the shit out of the Middle East Terrorism will be gone but their would be another problem... other countries trying to destroy urs cause they wouldnt understand what we did it for....so my suggestioin is to just Round up all the muslims and put them in a place and kill em all of...yeah yeah sounds like Hitler but who cares u want to stop terrorism Then u have to GO TO JURASTIC MEASURES. I hope u all understand.

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still solves nothing but the basic skin of terrorism. you want to stop its lifeblood, not just scraping skin tissue off. killing is not a solution, it's an enhancer. terrorism isn't limited to muslims either. tim mcveigh wasn't muslim. the ira certainly isn't muslim. israelites are not muslim. bush is not muslim. kkk is not muslim. i don't know how eradicating islam can help solve terrorism at all.

And yes, I've known who Bobby Sands was for a long time.
Do you *really* think a hunger strike is the same as flying a passenger jet into the WTC?

Ive always wanted to drop an american flag made out of this Material that cant burn...i forget the name of it...but if we made a flag out of it and droped a bunch in the middle east and watched them try to burn it and they couldnt and they would put gasoline on it and it still wouldnt burn and theyd be lik WTF and id be cracking up watching em on TV or something god that would be so funny....oh yeah and heres another way to stop Terrorism.... GET RID OF THE FUCKING MEDIA because the news is their only voice if they didnt have the freaking news then terrorism would be completel snuffed out and then all their bluffing would prove nothing and scare no one because u wouldnt be able to here it...lol poor bastards are gona die soon.... :) :sniper:

Ive always wanted to drop an american flag made out of this Material that cant burn...i forget the name of it...but if we made a flag out of it and droped a bunch in the middle east ...


You are of course that such an action would be contrary to the guidelines for respecting the flag of the USA?

The IRA and the other "terrorist" groups were revolutionaries once. However they are primarily drug pushing criminals closer to the Crips and Bloods now. (And I have that on the authority of several Irish co-workers on both sides, including fprmer police and military).

Despite their current engagement in common or garden gangsterism (whuich they carried out throughout most of their recent history), they have not renounced their terrorist ways - they are on ceasefires (AKA "temporary cessations of all military activiites") while they see what comes of the legislative assembly.

And yes, I've known who Bobby Sands was for a long time.
Do you *really* think a hunger strike is the same as flying a passenger jet into the WTC?

Well, it was you that asserted that the difference between a terrorist and a non-terrorist was the fact that a terrorist was prepared to die for what they believed in, rather than to just face the possibility of death. Bobby Sands cearly falls into the first category (and as you know the hunger strikes were based upon the issue of whether the prisoners should be treated as common or garden criminals or as POWs).

The fact that he did not himself kill anyone else while on his hungerstrke is irrelevant, as it was carried out in solidarity with his compatriots that were carrying out daily gun and bomb attacks beyond the prison walls.

You keep harking back to the attack on the WTC as if it is a somehow special event. I am not saying that it was not a horrific thing to have happened, or that those that carried it out were not bastards, but there was nothing special about it, other than the scale of the fatalities and the spectacle of the event.

There is no way to actually stop terrorism. The actual act of terrorism is supposedly the reaction of a group of people to any kind of injustice they feel.
Terrorism usually happens when the little people are victimazed by the one big Army.
It is usually a last resort Response...its quite desperate.
...and sometimes it does free your people...Like in America, France, SouthAfrica, etc.

there is a difference from a uprising and terrorism which revolutionz seems to miss (sorry if i misread)

and uprising is a popular movemnt in which people rise up against a ruler or ruling body to free themselves from that rule, or jsut overthrow tham and take over themselves.

terrorism is carried out by a fanatical minority willing to do anything and everything to anyone and everyone to get their radical agenda forwarded

there is a difference from a uprising and terrorism which revolutionz seems to miss (sorry if i misread)

and uprising is a popular movemnt in which people rise up against a ruler or ruling body to free themselves from that rule, or jsut overthrow tham and take over themselves.

terrorism is carried out by a fanatical minority willing to do anything and everything to anyone and everyone to get their radical agenda forwarded
Terrorism is the use of "Terror" to obtain something (usually its Freedom)...Does not have to be "fanatical" or "radical" or a "minority"

Don't under-estimate the public. The public is people like you and me (for good or ill). Once you start making those kind of comments it isn't a million miles from the seeds of fascism.

A single person is smart. People are dumb.

Of course the public should be allowed to voice it's opinion and make up it's own mind. It's just a shame that most accept every word that comes out of the media's mouth as gospel without investigating the facts for themselves...

Attention fascists!
So, you plan to stop terror by.... what exactly? Indiscriminante bombings? killing terrorists' families? If that one worked why do you suppose that the Palestinians are still fighting the Israelies, after all the illegal occupying and murder that Israel has done?

As a british citizen I find claims like this highly offensive. Its a little known fact that before 9/11 the American goverment funded the IRA as a "freedom fighting" organisation. The point has been made before, but do you think we should just invade Ireland, on account of there being terrorists there? You just create martyrs and more terrorists!

All these wars and bombings of other countries are just an excuse to restart the British empire, as a machine fuelled by oil and the blood of foreigners. Sorry to sound so pompous, but hang your heads in shame.

As a british citizen I find claims like this highly offensive. Its a little known fact that before 9/11 the American goverment funded the IRA as a "freedom fighting" organisation. The point has been made before, but do you think we should just invade Ireland, on account of there being terrorists there? You just create martyrs and more terrorists!.
you know that, i know that, other intelligent people know that, but george w. bush, dick cheney, and arial sharon DONT know that. and lucky for us george bush has memorized sharon's book on dealing with people he doesnt like: "precision strike" with a anti-building missiles from a blackhawk into a dense crowd of people to kill a single person, "destroy" terrorism by killing as many as possible, "make friends" by humiliating and ignoring your enemy


you know my favorite thing that george bush wants? a NUCLEAR BUNKER BUSTER. thats right a NUCLEAR bunker buster, i dont know how many other people understand the LUNACY of something like that

The problem is the Wahabism being advocated in Saudi Arabia and the money that they have. Poor people don't seek training as pilots costing over 100,000$ a piece, they don't buy plane tickets and they don't get to study abroad. The problem is a small fringe group has scapegoated Islam and made the entire region look bad. The solution is to convince individuals living in the region that their current course of action is unacceptable and that Western powers will return to pre-WW1 tactics and advocate wholesale punishment of entire communities.

It'll work. It won't be fair or nice. But it will work.


Osama Bin Laden is obscenely wealthy. He's the son of some businessman and inherited the billions, and on top of that, he makes a honey which is increasingly popular in the Middle East. He makes himself richer through his terrorist persona, it makes him popular. Like a true propagandist (or advertising agency) he's making a killing off his image. It's not about principles or hating the West, it's about personal gain, just like everything else. Talking would work, because Bush and Osama speak a common language, and that's greed. But anyways, to cultivate that image, he hires the impoverished. That is where the poverty comes into play. People in desperate straights kill themselves in order to obtain a kickback for their families. Their training is funded by Bin Laden, they don't pay for it themselves. If they paid for it themselves, there wouldn't be terrorist organizations raising money at all, there would be those envy-mongering wealthy slaughtering themselves left and right. Osama doesn't kill himself, does he? He's got money. He's got something to live for, now doesn't he? The problem stems from poverty, and poverty stems from the West's previous colonial invasions. Anywhere and everywhere France, England, wherever, once claimed as a piece of their kingdom, there is poverty, with the notable exception of the US. We were able to find someone else to take stuff from. These are simply the repercussions of our imperialistic actions and the only way to deal with them permanently is to share our obscene amount of wealth.

Your kids are not more important than their kids. Deal with it.

Stopping terrorism is simple:

-Bomb poor countries, creating 10 new terrorists for every one you kill
-Attack countries that have not engaged in terrorism against the US, prompting their citizens to engage in terrorism against the US.
-Tie up American soldiers in useless conflicts to distract ppl from the fact that Osama is still out there.
-Stretch American military forces as thin as you can to "git the guy who tried to kill mah daddy".
-Torture is always helpful, because as we all know, torturing ppl never enrages citizens to the point where they might take up arms.
-Ignore the moral high road and set up secret camps where you can detain ppl as long as you want, no charges, no trial, no lawyers, no law.

...because becoming a terrorist is the best way to beat the terrorists.

I don't think we will ever stop terrorism completely, because it isn't possible. There will always be hatred, there will always be rebels, so there will always be terrorism.

what planet are you living on? Through history muslims have always tried to destroy the infidels. they started this holy war, not us. if we leave them alone they will just keep coming at us.

if my method is soo radical then why did it stop in Jordan. A terrorist won't sacrifice himself if he knows his 15 sons will die like him.


Yeah, forget about the Crusades! WE started this holy war! The West hasn't been ingratiating itself against the Middle East for centuries! CLOSE YOUR EYES! GO BACK TO SLEEP! LISTEN TO YOUR GOVERNMENT, WE KNOW WHAT'S BEST!

I don't think we will ever stop terrorism completely, because it isn't possible. There will always be hatred, there will always be rebels, so there will always be terrorism.
oh its possible, it just takes precision and coutner propaganda, well bsaically it takes INTELLIGENCE, and how often does a leader come alnog that has THAT

i never said that any other religion didn't have stake in this I just said that islam was the number 1 hater of our values.

btw i have never heard of any christian or hindu or even buddhist terrorists. care to explain? and no Pat Robertson does not count as a terrorist.

Ever hear of two countries called India and Pakistan? I think there's a little bit of terrorism carried out by Hindus there. Remember the tactics for liberation of the Hindus in India before Gandhi? You know, attacking British soldiers? Are you completely devoid of any knowledge of history other than your own? Buddhism has nursed very few terrorists to my knowledge. Props to Buddha, but Christianity? Remember the Holy Roman Empire? That whole thing about making non-Christians fight to death? For a somewhat more recent example, conflicts between Catholics and Protestants erupted in attacks on churches. Clergymen. Worshipers. Christians killing Christians. The "culture of death" extends beyond the middle east. The second most important thing in America's list of values according to our bill of rights is a firearm. We want freedom of speech, and then we want a gun.

We want freedom of speech, and then we want a gun.

Prolly to shoot everyone who disagrees. ;)

"There can be no place on earth where it is safe for these monsters to rest, to train, or practice thier cruel and deadly skills. We must act together, or unilaterally, if necessary to ensure that terrorists have no sanctuary -- anywhere" --Ronald Reagan July 1985


He had the right idea, but he did not go far enough. A single airstrike wasn't enough. The state sponsers of terrorism will be reluctant to fund terrorists and give them a safe haven, if the nation's leaders know that they will get blamed and see real repercussions for anything the terrorists do. If terrorists do not have state sponsers, they will not cease to exist, but thier capability and the size of the region they can operate in will be greatly diminished.

BTW. If you can, get the 9/11 commission report. It costs only $10 US, is available in book stores, and is actually interesting reading for a government report.

I know one thing. It would be a bad idea to execute any terrorists we capture.
If we do that, we make them martyrs for the cause and this will inspire the extremists who chose not to fight to take up arms.....

its simple. to stop terrorism you just have to get rid of all the people. :sniper:
no people no prejudices, problems(ect...)

just kidding ;) to solve the problem would have to give everybodies open mind to everything, possibly something very very bad should happen that everyone despises so that they will never do it again, ever.

BTW. If you can, get the 9/11 commission report. It costs only $10 US, is available in book stores, and is actually interesting reading for a government report.
or you can go to a website and download it for free, and a summary and a explanation

I would play a small part in preventing terrorism by not being a terrorist.

Lets clear something up

Soemone who is willing to die for their cause is not categorized as a terrorist. A better word would be martyr. I'm not saying that someone cannot be both, I'm saying that this gives a better understanding to the meaning of the word.

... there will always be rebels, so there will always be terrorism.

I am a terrorist.

Im a Rebel...and if that makes me a terrorist...then that is what I am...a Terrorist.

You stop it by teaching alternatives. You stop terrorism by showing why it doesn't help anyone. And how angry but respectable diplomacy would have a much better outcome.

You stop it by teaching alternatives. You stop terrorism by showing why it doesn't help anyone. And how angry but respectable diplomacy would have a much better outcome.
I would love it if we could make all weapons disappear...and we would live live like Vulcans...It would be great.

but...humanity is ugly....how many times has Diplomacy succeded..and how many times It has failed...?

I would love it if we could make all weapons disappear...and we would live live like Vulcans...It would be great.

but...humanity is ugly....how many times has Diplomacy succeded..and how many times It has failed...?
I remember only one time that Diplomacy...defeated the bigger Army...The India vs UK conflict.

my stand has always been simple... NUKE 'em... pave it... put in a waffle house and a 7-11 with Larry the cable guy and chris rock running them

How can you be diplomatic with someone who wants to kill you because of your culture. Surely you can't compromise your culture for them.

I think its more the aspects of American culture that say

"oooh, we're a superpower, lets do whatever the hell we want. Lets impose our culture upon the world. What's that you say? you've got oil? Why of course we'll attack, under the pretence of self defense!

But I could be wrong.

Its a fair point that the extremist muslims do not like the liberation or sexual equality enjoyed by American women, or the right wing christian views of the current administration, but hell, half the free world has women that can show their legs, they don't get 9/11 inflicted upon them. (And before anyone jumps out at me screaming Madrid! Madrid!, let me remind you that that was done in retaliation to Spain's involvement in the war on "terror": confirmed by Al Queda press releases)

I am American and despise "president duh" :sniper: and his moronic efforts :headbang: to please his daddy by completing what daddy could not. this retard has done more damage to the USA in 3 years than any other in the history of democracy. this whole war, in my opinion, is this idiot doing his own power play,and dealing with issues of inadequacy. He could'nt even get into office without rigging the election. Anyway my point is don't blame America for this idiot and his agenda. Thank God for term limitation

I don't see how he rigged the election. If people in florida are too stupid to learn how to use a ballot then they don't need to be voting anyway. Now every election there will always be the issue of dimpled chads. "Oh it looks like it's pressed in towards gore, but maybe not."


Vote Democrat it's easier than working.

Imagine a world with no liberals :)

I just got my dog neutered, and now it's a liberal.

Gorisms

--"We are ready for any unforseen event that may or may not accur." (9/22/97)

--"For NASA, space is still a high priority." (9/5/93)

--"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teaches out children." (no date given)

--"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century." (9/15/95)

--"It isn't pollution that's harming the enviroment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." (no date given)

-- "[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system." (no date given)

-- "We're all capable of m istakes, but I do not care to enlighten you on the mistakes we may or may not have made." (no date given)

--"I believe we are on an irreversible trend towards more freedom and democracy- but that could change." (5/22/98)

--"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that one word is 'to be prepared'."(12/9/93)

--"Vebosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things." (11/30/96)

--"I have made good judgements in the past. I have made good judgements in the future." (8/13/95)

--"The future will be better tomorrow." (no date given)

--"We're going to have the best-educated American people in the world." (9/21/97)

--"I stand by all the missstatements that I've made." (9/21/97)

--"We have a firm mommitment to NATO. We are part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are part of Europe." (no date given)

--"I am not part of the problem. I am a Democrat." (3/21/97)

--"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people gong to the polls." (no date given)

--"Illegitmacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it." (5/20/96)

--"Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child." (2/18/93)

--"Welcome to President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton and my fellow astronauts." (no date given)

--"Mars is essentially in the same orbit..Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe." (no date given)

--"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind if being very wasteful. How true that is." (04/08/95)

--"People that are really weird can get into sensitives positions and have a tremendous impact on history." (no date given)

--"When I have been asked who caused the riots and the killing in L.A. my answer has been direct and simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame." (no date given

Gorisms

--"We are ready for any unforseen event that may or may not accur." (9/22/97)

--"For NASA, space is still a high priority." (9/5/93)

--"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teaches out children." (no date given)

--"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century." (9/15/95)

--"It isn't pollution that's harming the enviroment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." (no date given)

-- "[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system." (no date given)

-- "We're all capable of m istakes, but I do not care to enlighten you on the mistakes we may or may not have made." (no date given)

--"I believe we are on an irreversible trend towards more freedom and democracy- but that could change." (5/22/98)

--"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that one word is 'to be prepared'."(12/9/93)

--"Vebosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things." (11/30/96)

--"I have made good judgements in the past. I have made good judgements in the future." (8/13/95)

--"The future will be better tomorrow." (no date given)

--"We're going to have the best-educated American people in the world." (9/21/97)

--"I stand by all the missstatements that I've made." (9/21/97)

--"We have a firm mommitment to NATO. We are part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are part of Europe." (no date given)

--"I am not part of the problem. I am a Democrat." (3/21/97)

--"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people gong to the polls." (no date given)

--"Illegitmacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it." (5/20/96)

--"Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child." (2/18/93)

--"Welcome to President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton and my fellow astronauts." (no date given)

--"Mars is essentially in the same orbit..Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe." (no date given)

--"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind if being very wasteful. How true that is." (04/08/95)

--"People that are really weird can get into sensitives positions and have a tremendous impact on history." (no date given)

--"When I have been asked who caused the riots and the killing in L.A. my answer has been direct and simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame." (no date given

Don't see what this got to do with how to stop terrorism. If you are a Pro-Busher trying to mock his oponent in the last election... I think there is no problem finding twice as many retarded statements that are made by Bush.

So my point is... What's your point?

Just a quick thought: under the technical definition of terrorist (you know, the one before 2001, that didn't have clauses about terrorists only being middle-easterners, or only applying only to those who attack America), weren't the founding fathers who used guerilla tactics against the British in the War of Independence terrorists? How about the French partisans who fought against the Nazi occupation of France?

One man's terrorist is anothers freedom fighter...

How do you stop Terrorism?

to put it another way:
how do you stop someone who's rug you're urinating over kicking you in the shin and yelling obscenities at you? that's simple- stop urinating, clean it up, and don't do it again.

anything else is just hypocrisy.

bombs and plenty of em and if that dont work then erm bugger cos thats all we can think of, well theres invading i guess but its generally safer after the bombing them into the ground which brings me back to bombs

How can you be diplomatic with someone who wants to kill you because of your culture. Surely you can't compromise your culture for them.
Arabs think that we want to impose our Culture on them...They think this murderous War is part of than "plan" to western-ize them...

OOC:

Terrorisum can't be stopped. However great & wonderful society is, there will always be people who think it's evil, and are willing to kill innocent people for their cause. I suppose you could just shoot anyone who speaks out against society in the face & leave their corpse in the gutter to rot, but that simply isn't right. Plus, you'd cause more people to plot against the government.

Example: Here in the US, that'd mean shooting all the liberals.

The US can't take that kind of population decrease, for one thing. Ammo is expensive, as well. Plus it'd violate the first amendment rights of said liberals.

Q: How do you stop Terrorism?
A: You hire Mercenary Soldiers.

Terrorisum can't be stopped.

Damn.

Perhaps we should examine what's pissed these terrorists off so much and then see if a compromise can be reached (just giving in to their demands, however, is a bad idea, as it would encourage them to use terrorism to get what they want in the future). Despite what George W. Bush would have you believe, these people aren't simply so evil that they hate freedom itself.

And remember, the only difference between a terrorist and a general is that the general wins.