NationStates Jolt Archive

I want to see what the people think. Personally I thought both were Ok.

Which Bush? The Wimp or The Shrub?

Of course, I guess that sort of gives away my answer...

Are we quoting whoopi?
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I think the choice is obvious.. Clinton was by far a better president.

Clinton was better than Bush Sr., who is in turn better than Bush Jr., who I pray doesn't get re-elected or I shudder to think what will happen during his second term.

well clinton was around in a time where the economy was great and people weren't concerned with afghanistan

i'm not fond of Bush Jr., but I really don't think John Kerry and John Edwards are the best choices for prez and vice prez

Clinton was better than Bush Sr., who is in turn better than Bush Jr., who I pray doesn't get re-elected or I shudder to think what will happen during his second term.

I second this. Although, even if Bush does get reelected, I don't think the world will come to an end or anything. I just don't think he'll do positive things for the country.

On another note, I did discover that I'm only two points away from being able to emigrate to Canada. So I just have to become fluent in French and I'm a desireable!

Now, if I could just work that for Ireland, Scotland or Italy...

Kerry is such a pussy and edwards doesn't have any experience. he's a god damn trial lawyer!!!!! :gundge:

On another note, I did discover that I'm only two points away from being able to emigrate to Canada. So I just have to become fluent in French and I'm a desireable!

Neat! I found out today that if I wanted to go to Australia, I'd be a desireable because I'm a tailor. So, if the shrub steals the election again, Oz here I come!

Kerry is such a pussy and edwards doesn't have any experience. he's a god damn trial lawyer!!!!! :gundge:


Ummm ... do you know just how many ex-Presidents were lawyers?

As for your "lack of experience" drivel ... Bush jr. didn't have any experience either - except being the worst governor Texas has ever seen after the carpet bagger failed in the oil business in Texas ...

Kerry is a pussy? He actually fought in Vietnam ... he didn't go to the coke and hooker parties during his service that Bush jr. did ... and don't give me the Moore drivel either because Moore candy coated Bush's squadron - they were then and still are completely useless.

Kerry is such a pussy and edwards doesn't have any experience. he's a god damn trial lawyer!!!!! :gundge:

No experience? That's funny because Bush campaigned in 2000 that he was a Washington outsider with little experience. If it was supposed to be helpful in 2000 then it shouldn't swing the opposite way in 2004 because the other party has a similar background for a candidate. By the way, the only reason Bush isn't a lawyer is because the University of Texas rejected his application. Hrmm....

I fail to see why being a trial lawyer who sues a company for making a defective pool that cripples a little girl is a bad thing. Should we just let the company feel free to do whatever without any recourse for the people? How do Republicans take the moral high ground by saying the little girl should have no recourse against a large company that makes a harmful product? Last time I checked, it was moral to defend and aid those in need.

To the original question, Clinton was the better president. Bush Sr. was an ok guy and strayed from the abysmal policies of Reagan somewhat but Clinton was far better. Baby Bush ranks as one of the worst "leaders" we've ever had. He takes no responsibility for any of his decisions, fails to change course when its obvious he's headed for a landmine, and has not the intellectual curiousity to even determine if what he's doing is the right thing for our country.

Let's look at it in four words-

Bush- Defecit
Clinton- Surplus

and the "stupidest thing" test

Bush- Illegal War
Clinton- Secretary Hanky-Panky

Tough call. Adultery or the death of thousands over nonexistant reasons. Clinton all the way.

Kerry is such a pussy and edwards doesn't have any experience. he's a god damn trial lawyer!!!!! :gundge:

You base this on;

A) Your personal dealings with the two?

B) What Fox news has said?

C) What you have heard conservatives with no knowledge of the man has said?

D) On the fact that they all lie?

I actually did meet edwards in the past and he did not carry himself in a fashionable manner. Sure he's a good talker, I live in NC I know that.

I actually did meet edwards in the past and he did not carry himself in a fashionable manner. Sure he's a good talker, I live in NC I know that.

He didn't carry himself well? LOL That's just cute! :p

If you actually searched out his trial records you would see that he has won cases based on circumstantial evidence. In one case he impersonated a dead baby.

Let's look at it in four words-

Bush- Defecit
Clinton- Surplus

Bush -- Defecit because of two wars after the biggest terrorist attack in world history.
Clinton -- Surplus after taxing the life out of Americans.

**Hint, hint: A surplus only means the government has more money that it was supposed to....guess where the gov't's money comes from....***


Bush- Illegal War
Clinton- Secretary Hanky-Panky

Bush -- Freeing the people of Afghanistan from the Taliban, freeing the people of Iraq from the Ba'athists, disarming Lybia without a shot being fired.
Clinton -- Assault Weapons Ban, lying under oath, impeachment, pardons to felons, Vince Foster, Ruby Ridge mop-up, Waco, Elain Gonzalez, et al....



Tough call. Adultery or the death of thousands over nonexistant reasons. Clinton all the way.

Not a tough call. Impeachment or the liberation of two nations. Bush Jr. all the way...

Me!

Bush, no question about it.

Why?

Clinton: inherited a growing economy from Bush and Reagan, raised taxes and decapitated the military to create surplus, did nothing about OBL (the Sudan had him and were going to turn him over, Clinton did nothing) or the first WTC bombing (blew up two abandoned camps. Yahoo.) bombed Iraq without warning to buy time before being impeached for the ML incident, killed Vince Foster. Oh, and he shut down Dulles International for an hour so he could get a haircut on Air Force One.

Bush: inherited an impossible security situation and an economy brought to its knees by 9/11. He has done the best job anyone could have. There has not been a terrorist attack on American soil since the Washington sniper (courtesy of the Patriot Act, which is yet to produce the widespread civil rights crisis the left complains about). Like it or not, we are seeing the fastest job growth we have seen in two decades. We are finding links between Iraq and Al-Quada (not on 9/11) and more and more WMD.

I have made my case.

If you actually searched out his trial records you would see that he has won cases based on circumstantial evidence. In one case he impersonated a dead baby.

Care to explain how someone impersonates a dead baby or is this just something that the GOP is saying....sort of like how they called voters in South Carolina asking them if they would vote differently in the 2000 primaries if they knew John McCain had fathered an illegitimate black child?

He was an attorney for a client who was suing a doctor for the death of her baby even though the baby was hemmoraging from the brain which could have been the result of a number of things. he approached the jury and started feeding them this lie that if she doesn't want to be remembered like this and that she should be honored by the money her mother would receive from the lawsuit which was around 25 million. now i know this is disputed, but no human being infant death is worth 25 million. You can't put a price on pain.

Bush, no question about it.

Why?

Clinton: inherited a growing economy from Bush and Reagan, raised taxes and decapitated the military to create surplus, did nothing about OBL (the Sudan had him and were going to turn him over, Clinton did nothing) or the first WTC bombing (blew up two abandoned camps. Yahoo.) bombed Iraq without warning to buy time before being impeached for the ML incident, killed Vince Foster. Oh, and he shut down Dulles International for an hour so he could get a haircut on Air Force One.

Clinton actually inherited one of the worst economies in years, hence his campaign slogan, "It's the economy, stupid!" The economy is why Bush Sr. was not reelected. After 8 years of Clinton reign, we had the first balanced budget and surplus that we've had in years.



Bush: inherited an impossible security situation and an economy brought to its knees by 9/11. He has done the best job anyone could have. There has not been a terrorist attack on American soil since the Washington sniper (courtesy of the Patriot Act, which is yet to produce the widespread civil rights crisis the left complains about). Like it or not, we are seeing the fastest job growth we have seen in two decades. We are finding links between Iraq and Al-Quada (not on 9/11) and more and more WMD.

I have made my case.
By "impossible security situation," I assume you mean impossibly good security situation. Clinton and Dick Clark had prepared a huge plan to destroy al-Qaida and kill Osama bin Laden. It was finished right before Bush took office and ignored by the new administration. The biggest mistake Clinton ever made was trusting Bush to protect the nation. And your delusion that there was ever any kind of semi-connection between Iraq and al-Quaida is totally false. Bush even said so himself. And the closest thing we have found to WMD's is some metal tubes used in a hideous terrorist plot to create some indoor plumbing.

Bush, no question about it.

Why?

Clinton: inherited a growing economy from Bush and Reagan, raised taxes and decapitated the military to create surplus, did nothing about OBL (the Sudan had him and were going to turn him over, Clinton did nothing) or the first WTC bombing (blew up two abandoned camps. Yahoo.) bombed Iraq without warning to buy time before being impeached for the ML incident, killed Vince Foster. Oh, and he shut down Dulles International for an hour so he could get a haircut on Air Force One.

I have made my case.

Your "case" is faulty and you probably know it; I've seen your posts in the past and you don't normally lower yourself to such utterly baseless nonsense. You should really look up some of your pathetic accusations on any "conspiracy theory" or "urban legend" debunking website you care to visit. snopes.com

Sad. I had thought you better than this.

He didn't carry himself well? LOL That's just cute! :p
Well, everytime I see him, he is a yelling, screaming person. It's fit for a lawyer, but not a vice president. Even Howard Dean had more class.

No experience? That's funny because Bush campaigned in 2000 that he was a Washington outsider with little experience. If it was supposed to be helpful in 2000 then it shouldn't swing the opposite way in 2004 because the other party has a similar background for a candidate. By the way, the only reason Bush isn't a lawyer is because the University of Texas rejected his application. Hrmm....


That's too bad that Bush campaigned this way. He had experience, being not only a two term governor of Texas, but the campaign manager for his father (where he was instrumental in the fall of Gov. Dukakis). Edwards, on the other hand, is the junior senator from North Carolina, who has served less than a term. At least in Sen. Frist's case, his little experience was fruitful. Here, I can't see if Edwards having any major interests in Congress, and therefore, he probably knows less.

If you actually searched out his trial records you would see that he has won cases based on circumstantial evidence. In one case he impersonated a dead baby.

Hey... circumstancial evidence is good enough to imprison people without trials these days... and HTF does a grown man impersonate a dead baby?

Clinton was way better than both Bush and Bush JR

i love that word

WAS

i sure hope we can soon use it in regard to both bush presidents

It's simple. Clinton was a far better president. Yeah, so he had an affair with Monica Lewinski, so what? Thousands of men have affairs everyday.

Oh, and about that whole recent job increase thing? THERE ARE ALWAYS MORE JOBS IN THE SUMMER. How do I know? I happen to work for a carpenter in the summertime. Do you realize how many people that carpenter hires just for the summer? Fifty. Fifty! There's fifty jobs created right there. now multiply that by the number of carpenters, contracters, general house repair guys, lawn workers, and gardeners in the US, and there's your entire job increase right there!