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Apparently there are still people who think that women don't belong in the military. Why shouldnt they be? If they can do the job as well why not?

Apparently there are still people who think that women don't belong in the military. Why shouldnt they be? If they can do the job as well why not?

They should be allowed so long as they distract the menfolk...because don't think with their brains they think with their...I'm a guy and I served in the military and I've seen it.

You can never claim that we should live in an equal society if you don't agree on giving your life to defend it if you have to if others are forced to it because they where borned men and not women.

women DO NOT belong in the military! men and womwn's brains are different and women deal with things like death and having to kill people differently and a lot more emotionally! also women aren't as strong as men, i had to do RAF cadets with school and we went shooting quite a lot on ranges at RAF bases and so i know how heavy the guns are, i found it difficult keeping the gun up to aim at the target whilst lieing down so i don't know how i would manage stood up and in the sweltering heat in somewhere like Iraq!

women DO NOT belong in the military! men and womwn's brains are different and women deal with things like death and having to kill people differently and a lot more emotionally! also women aren't as strong as men, i had to do RAF cadets with school and we went shooting quite a lot on ranges at RAF bases and so i know how heavy the guns are, i found it difficult keeping the gun up to aim at the target whilst lieing down so i don't know how i would manage stood up and in the sweltering heat in somewhere like Iraq!

Well, not all women are like you. Some girls at my school are ripped. I mean, sometimes I think that half their body weight is steroids. THEY could rip your arm off, beat your skull in with it, and still talk about makeup.

When do belong in the military if it is their choice to be there. I really don't see any problem with it. And as far as women not being as strong as men, it doesn't really matter. Besides I've heard that women are good at thinking out plans in strained situations, so women could make a difference in the army.

women DO NOT belong in the military! men and womwn's brains are different and women deal with things like death and having to kill people differently and a lot more emotionally! also women aren't as strong as men, i had to do RAF cadets with school and we went shooting quite a lot on ranges at RAF bases and so i know how heavy the guns are, i found it difficult keeping the gun up to aim at the target whilst lieing down so i don't know how i would manage stood up and in the sweltering heat in somewhere like Iraq!


but i dont see why this should close the door for ALL women. I think many men react very poorly to killing people, this can be true for women as well. Have you ever heard of the Milgram experiments? There's some evidence that women are just as "capable of killing" as men are. In terms of violence, both sexes are quite capable. Have you seen the Abu Dhabi prisons? I dont think this case of psychology is enough to bar women from the military. You are just accepting the stereotype that all women are just overly emotional. Dont you feel thats selling them short? In terms of physical attributes, the standards should be pretty equal. If you can't shoot a gun as well as some, you shouldnt be shooting guns and should perform a job that is more suitable for your own body and abilities.

Woman in the military? Shure, why not.
I think military service should be voluntary though.
Compulsory military service for men and voluntary for women is not justified in my view however.
Either it is compulsory for all or for none.
I´m for a voluntary army - so voluntary for all, compulsory for none.

voluntary for all, compulsory for none.

i agree wholeheartedly

On average men are stronger then women. But again not always. Women should be in the military but no special treatment should be given like reduced physical requirements or say, private bunk rooms in submarines, its already tight enough on those things.

private bunk rooms in submarines

I feel like this practice makes sense. Like separate locker rooms. I think it probably cuts down on rape and those sorts of things

On average men are stronger then women. But again not always. Women should be in the military but no special treatment should be given like reduced physical requirements or say, private bunk rooms in submarines, its already tight enough on those things.

I agree with your statement. There should not be a special treatment.
Women may not serve in all units. However: I wouldn´t prejudice that by defining segments of the army which must be closed for women. Let the people on the ground decide about this issue.

I'm not quite 100% certain, but in Canada the Navy attempted to have women serve on submarines. As far as I know, the attempt failed and it wasn't worth the extra hassle at converting the subs to make them "female" usable.

Many of the tests here in Canada have been eased to make military service more palatable for women. There is also alot of "macho-ism"; alot of guys won't let the women do the hard work and they'll do it themselves.

I don't think women should be on the front lines as soldiers, but I think they should be more medics and nurses for the fact that most women are more emotional and for the reason they would distract the guy troops. Also most women are not as strong as guys. But if they can meet the same requirements as the men they should be allowed to serve where ever they want as long as they are given NO special treatment.

I feel like this practice makes sense. Like separate locker rooms. I think it probably cuts down on rape and those sorts of things


Its probobly just not feasible, submarine are really cramped. Also, why should the military spend loot to put private bunkroom in there? Maybe in future subs there should be separate bunks for mena and women, but having your own private room aon a sub seem alike a littel much to ask.

Also I would hope that effective command and stiff legal repercussions would help to cut down on rape. Since that is not the case, dont you think that this is the thing to work on and not how the bunks are situated?

Its probobly just not feasible, submarine are really cramped. Also, why should the military spend loot to put private bunkroom in there? Maybe in future subs there should be separate bunks for mena and women, but having your own private room aon a sub seem alike a littel much to ask.

Also I would hope that effective command and stiff legal repercussions would help to cut down on rape. Since that is not the case, dont you think that this is the thing to work on and not how the bunks are situated?

first let me say i dont know much about the submarine situation, im speculating. How is this different from separate locker rooms?

Problem being there is already not enough room in places like that … (specially subs) have you seen their bunk rooms) or drawing plans … they have to have specially made narrow bunks 3 tall to cram all the current men in there … no easy way to subdivide the space and still make either side usable

(sorry my little rant on that)
I am for women in the military …

In terms of physical attributes, the standards should be pretty equal. If you can't shoot a gun as well as some, you shouldnt be shooting guns and should perform a job that is more suitable for your own body and abilities.

I agree but the qualifier for or determining factor should be the MIND then the body (meaning I would hate to see some brilliant minds go to waste because they happened to be big and good with a gun) but I suppose there are plenty of other jobs (like chemical and biohazard cleanup or mechanic or what not)

Hmm all interesting stuff

How about this questions (related just things I was thinking about … no answer and not using them as arguments one way or another)

Women in the military
Should birth control be required? Or are they allowed to choose

And even with said birth control what happens if they get pregnant anyways? Auto discharge or should they just have an extended “maternity” leave?

How about things like (I found the study somewhere … I will try to find it) where women were found … while in a training environment to be “better” pilots (higher g load tolerance) but in any significant emotional change (positive or negative) there was like a 30% higher degradation of skills (meaning they were good when level headed but when put under any type of EMOTIONAL strain their skills and reaction time dropped)
(also a similar study on marksmanship)

Just curious :)

first let me say i dont know much about the submarine situation, im speculating. How is this different from separate locker rooms?

Personnel in subs are cramped one on top of each other, there simply isn't enough space for everyone to have a seperate bunk (only the CO does on most subs). There is not enough space for a bunk the size of one person. Certain Russian subs have bunks on top or right below torpedoes, or in the torpedoe room itself.

Is it just me, or are half the arguements here saying that the reason women shouldn't be in the military are that men are so f*$king stupid that they are gonna stare at the pair of boobs next to them instead of the guy shooting at him? Jesus, I hope my gender isn't that stupid. And as for the whole "Women too emotional to handle killing" crap, I believe the latest statistic is that one out of six soldiers in Iraq is developing or has an emotional problem resulting from combat duty there, and I'm pretty that less than one out of six soldiers in Iraq is female.

Women in the military
Should birth control be required? Or are they allowed to choose

And even with said birth control what happens if they get pregnant anyways? Auto discharge or should they just have an extended “maternity” leave?

How about things like (I found the study somewhere … I will try to find it) where women were found … while in a training environment to be “better” pilots (higher g load tolerance) but in any significant emotional change (positive or negative) there was like a 30% higher degradation of skills (meaning they were good when level headed but when put under any type of EMOTIONAL strain their skills and reaction time dropped)
(also a similar study on marksmanship)

Just curious :)

I feel like birth control should be an option. Why don't the guys use condoms huh? Why should it be just the women. They should get maternity leave if they choose and then serve out the rest of their term in the military. This study, did they do anything similar with men??? I had mentioned the Milgram experiments before, but you all should read about it, because its very interesting how you can get almost anyone to follow orders, and in most cases women are better at not questioning authority to begin with. Read about the Milgram experiments!!!

Is it just me, or are half the arguements here saying that the reason women shouldn't be in the military are that men are so f*$king stupid that they are gonna stare at the pair of boobs next to them instead of the guy shooting at him? Jesus, I hope my gender isn't that stupid. And as for the whole "Women too emotional to handle killing" crap, I believe the latest statistic is that one out of six soldiers in Iraq is developing or has an emotional problem resulting from combat duty there, and I'm pretty that less than one out of six soldiers in Iraq is female.


Thank you :)

Women are fine in the forces, provided they can do everything required and do not distract the men (and vice versa). You've got to remember though, it is male INSTINCT to protect women, and female INSTINCT to seek protection from men, and in a heated combat situation instinct does come before sense, at least in a lot of cases. I think all of the women who wanted to join the army could be put into work in places where it wouldn't negativly affect the men, like supply drivers, artillery, engineering, general staff. In the Air, ground staff, mechanics, even pilots, gunners - why not? The Navy would be the worst place, in my opinion, as there is a need for separate bunks etc which would take up more room on a ship than an all male bunk. Same with toilets. If this can be done without affecting the fighting performance of a ship then fair enough, but I can imagine it would be much harder to achive on a submarine, except maybe them huge Russian ones.

The Soviet Union used women to drive tanks in battles such as Kursk, and there were a few women snipers and runners used in Stalingrad, so it's not like women in the military is a new thing.

Is it just me, or are half the arguements here saying that the reason women shouldn't be in the military are that men are so f*$king stupid that they are gonna stare at the pair of boobs next to them instead of the guy shooting at him? Jesus, I hope my gender isn't that stupid. And as for the whole "Women too emotional to handle killing" crap, I believe the latest statistic is that one out of six soldiers in Iraq is developing or has an emotional problem resulting from combat duty there, and I'm pretty that less than one out of six soldiers in Iraq is female.

Yes we are.

And women don't serve in combat roles in the U.S. Military.

I agree but the qualifier for or determining factor should be the MIND then the body (meaning I would hate to see some brilliant minds go to waste because they happened to be big and good with a gun) but I suppose there are plenty of other jobs (like chemical and biohazard cleanup or mechanic or what not)

Hmm all interesting stuff

How about this questions (related just things I was thinking about … no answer and not using them as arguments one way or another)

Women in the military
Should birth control be required? Or are they allowed to choose

And even with said birth control what happens if they get pregnant anyways? Auto discharge or should they just have an extended “maternity” leave?

How about things like (I found the study somewhere … I will try to find it) where women were found … while in a training environment to be “better” pilots (higher g load tolerance) but in any significant emotional change (positive or negative) there was like a 30% higher degradation of skills (meaning they were good when level headed but when put under any type of EMOTIONAL strain their skills and reaction time dropped)
(also a similar study on marksmanship)

Just curious :)


You are raising important points: since I don´t know so much personally to the military I would refer to Israel. They have compulsory military service for both men and women. However: the women are often serving in different units and sections of the military. I would think that solution to be appropriate also for countries who have just opened their military for woman (like some european countries).
Women can certainly being used in more fields than in the sanitary service or the military music service.
I wouldn´t prejudice which areas are or are not possible. I´m neither qualified to do so nor do I think there should be a prejudice to that. It should be looked to the qualifications and whether it is possible to arrange the things in a way that is seen as apropriate.

Some of them do good jobs, some of them do think with their ....
Depends on the individual.
You have to remember the half the military thinks like they are still are in their teens.

Yes we are.

And women don't serve in combat roles in the U.S. Military.

Actually...that was kinda my point. That these are men devoloping problems from killing other people.

I thought women served in the airforce at least?

Anyway- consider this scenario. You are a soldier and run around a corner. There is a guy with a gun. He is surprised, so you have the edge on him. Bang. You got him.

Now consider this one. You are a soldier and run around a corner. There is a woman with a gun. She is surprised, and so are you. "Huh? A woman with a gun?" Bang. She got you.

It's psychological- men are more likely to pause before shooting a woman than a man.

Theres a good reason for them to serve.

I thought women served in the airforce at least?

Anyway- consider this scenario. You are a soldier and run around a corner. There is a guy with a gun. He is surprised, so you have the edge on him. Bang. You got him.

Now consider this one. You are a soldier and run around a corner. There is a woman with a gun. She is surprised, and so are you. "Huh? A woman with a gun?" Bang. She got you.

It's psychological- men are more likely to pause before shooting a woman than a man.

Theres a good reason for them to serve.

Good point. Very good point.

Apparently there are still people who think that women don't belong in the military. Why shouldnt they be? If they can do the job as well why not?


Ok, having just gone through Basic Training and AIT in the US Army.


I had 11 females in the platoon, they managed to get us smoked more than the 36 males.

I'd say about 3/4 of the times we were smoked was because of them or related to them.

When they were in leadership(Still Privates) we did something that required heavy lifting, the Female PG(Platoon Guide) would ask for MALE volunteers. On the Flipside our Company XO was a Female and she could out Road March any male in the Company, She carried a Ruck Around that was bigger than she was.

So my answer, I don't know. All I know is out of the 11 females in my Platoon, only 2 of them would i trust with my life in a combat enviroment(yes they will see combat, We were all Military Police)

Yeah why not? More bodies! Lol......

....that was a bad joke, I'm sorry.

Good point. Very good point.

Thankyou :D

i have considered joining the 'military' (im a brit, so i call it the army) and i dont see why women cant. we have a higher pain threshold on average (childbirth ladies, hello!) and some (like me) can deal very well with blood and guts and death without emotion, thank you very much

Barring Women in the military is absurd- Women can join the military if they want- they're slightly less strong but they sometimes are faster and they are slightly tougher (on average, barring cultural weakification) so there's not much physical disparity.

What peeves me is the draft. Now, I'm going to be blunt here, but- the government should make no distinction on gender in the draft. Why? Women are men's equals. Simple as that.

Not that I want the draft anyhow. *shivers*.

I personally oppose all war and don't think the military's view on women would have much of an impact on how I view it. The fact that it exists to kill makes any amount of sexual equality insignificant in comparision.

if a woman wants to join the military, let her. not something i would want to do, but whatever.
to bar women because men could get distracted is stupid. should women be barred from office jobs for distracting men? it's the man who is distracted that is at fault, a women doesn't need to get penalized for his stupidity.

at any rate, women can be just as strong or stronger than some men. it just takes work to develop the strength, as it takes men work to develop strength.
and women do have a higher threshold for pain, especially enduring pain and people do amazing things with adreniline, which women have just as much as men.. and i don't know what would get adreniline flowing faster than having someone shoot at you.

what no response to my comment?


Anybody have any actual experience in this thread? (with women in the military)

When do belong in the military if it is their choice to be there. I really don't see any problem with it. And as far as women not being as strong as men, it doesn't really matter. Besides I've heard that women are good at thinking out plans in strained situations, so women could make a difference in the army.

Doesn't matter..tell that to the 240lb Marine who is wounded and you have to lug his body to safety...tell that to the Ammunition techs who lug 50lb boxes of .45cal pistol ammo while the women Marines do something else..

There are fields where women make for better Marines...but combat arms ain't one of em.

Responding to Dakini's post. I'm assuming that when you say "having someone shoot at you" you want women on the frontline.
Pulling back a point, that instictively men will try to protect women, I can think of several ways why women shouldn't be on the frontline. This natrual instinct can result in some irrational decisions under fire and could end up leading to wasted lives. Also, the people on the frontline must be closely knit to have full effectiveness. Throw a few women in there and you end up with more problem than when you're under fire. Lastly, emotions are bound to run high with all the testosterone running around. It be like high school, but with plenty of guns and ammunition.

duh
of course women should be in the military. women have been in the US military since before ww2.

maybe you remember a little movie/tv series called MASH? all those nurses were in the army.

not all military jobs are front line combat. a woman can type or cook as well as a man

not all woman are as weak as i am. there are a few buff women of a military bent who would make good front line combat soldiers. not the average woman i think but SOME.

not all MEN are a good choice for front line military comat either.

that said, when my friend was telling me about her experiences in the first gulf war i was horrified

she was a mother of a 4 month old baby when she went to kuwait (unless it was saudi) she and her husband both had to go and leave the infant with his parents

she and her husband were in different units and only saw each other a couple times in the year they were over there.

she had to share a tent with 25 men. no seperate accomodations. she had to live "like a man"

i wouldnt want to do it.

Woman in the military? Shure, why not.
I think military service should be voluntary though.
Compulsory military service for men and voluntary for women is not justified in my view however.
Either it is compulsory for all or for none.
I´m for a voluntary army - so voluntary for all, compulsory for none.

You know, I, as a young man, will have to sign up for the selective service, yet my sister, as a young woman, will not. It's intolerable.

They should be allowed so long as they distract the menfolk...because don't think with their brains they think with their...I'm a guy and I served in the military and I've seen it.
I hope this behavior was predominate among enlisted men. Because truthfully, they aren't paid to think. They're paid to obey.

I think that women should be free to do what they want. And this is coming from a man.

People may argue that women aren't tough so they don't belong in the military. They give birth to children, that is the ultimate sign of toughness. Who can argue against that?

And besides not all military jobs require physical strength or manliness.

I think that women should be free to do what they want. And this is coming from a man.

People may argue that women aren't tough so they don't belong in the military. They give birth to children, that is the ultimate sign of toughness. Who can argue against that?

And besides not all military jobs require physical strength or manliness.

Besides, who place is it to tell a women she is difficient?
(Coming from another guy)

duh
of course women should be in the military. women have been in the US military since before ww2.

maybe you remember a little movie/tv series called MASH? all those nurses were in the army.

not all military jobs are front line combat. a woman can type or cook as well as a man

not all woman are as weak as i am. there are a few buff women of a military bent who would make good front line combat soldiers. not the average woman i think but SOME.

not all MEN are a good choice for front line military comat either.

that said, when my friend was telling me about her experiences in the first gulf war i was horrified

she was a mother of a 4 month old baby when she went to kuwait (unless it was saudi) she and her husband both had to go and leave the infant with his parents

she and her husband were in different units and only saw each other a couple times in the year they were over there.

she had to share a tent with 25 men. no seperate accomodations. she had to live "like a man"

i wouldnt want to do it.


yes yes the army has had Female Nurses since the Civil War. BUT nowadays women do see combat, granted they are still barred from entering fields such as Armor, Cavalry, Infantry, and Artillery. But Combat Support Arms still sees combat and one field in particular is seeing more right now than any of the above four. That is the Military Police Corps, which i am a member of. You go to Iraq, Who is protecting the convoys, who is running the TCP's, the EPW Camps, Who is raiding weapons Caches, Who supplied 4 Humvees with MK 19's that bombarded Oday and Qusay's Place(Saddam's sons)? The Military Police Corps. Who scouts out roadways and directs military traffic at the frontlines in traditional Warfare? MP's yet again. Do you know that a single MP Team, 3 Soldiers, has more firepower than an Infantry Platoon?


And how is this relevant to the discussion, Simple. Women can be MP's

Out of my training company of about 180 privates, there were 56 Females

granted only something like 40-45 Graduated(mostly because of Injuries and what such)


Women's PT Standards are different in the Army

A male 17-21 Years of age has to do 42 Pushups, 53 Situps and Run 15:54 in the 2 mile run to pass

a female same age has to do. 22 Pushups, 53 Situps and Run 18:52

Just look at those standards, all we're asking them is to push their own body weight. True they don't have as strong of upperbodies, but for the most part they don't weigh as much as us either.


And the Run is completely ridiculous. I was pissed that any female that ran a 15:40 maxed out her run, scored a perfect 100 pts while i had to run 13:00 to do it myself. I personally ran it in 12:30 and got the same amount of points as a female that would have barely passed the male PT test.

Women should be allowed to enter the military if the standard for our troops is not lowered; that is, we shouldn't make the men in the military run slower because a few women got thrown in. We should also make women sign up for the draft, if it is instigated (which, especialy for my family, would be a majorly bad thing considering my parents had military experience.). Let's hope the draft bill fails (or did it already?).

While there are the issues of rape, women's emotions, women distracting men in combat, et al, I don't see the exact harm in letting women in the military. I don't think they should be in 'front-line', direct combat spots, but that's just my opinion......let them be MPs, nurses, pilots, ship captains, et al....

*Awaits to be called sexist by someone....it's bound to happen.. :p )

Apparently there are still people who think that women don't belong in the military. Why shouldnt they be? If they can do the job as well why not?

Two words: Jessica Lynch :)

OK, not all women in the armed forces are incompetent screwups like her. If a woman can pass all of the physical tests and training required, I can't think of any reason for them not to serve...

Two words: Jessica Lynch :)

OK, not all women in the armed forces are incompetent screwups like her. If a woman can pass all of the physical tests and training required, I can't think of any reason for them not to serve...

Are all our P.O.W.s incompetent screw ups? or just her?

Are all our P.O.W.s incompetent screw ups? or just her?

Put the fangs away honey, I only meant her. Well, her and anyone else who got captured because they couldn't follow orders properly, couldn't read a map and didn't maintain their equipment.

Well, There is a rule that says women can be in the military, but not bee in combat situations, I think women can do just as good of a job as men in the military and that rule never aplies anyways from what I heard from my dad ( a former US marine)

I don't think there is any thing wrong with women in the military..in fact I believe they bring a unique perspective in that men don't have. No sense leaving out women, some women I know are tougher then most men I know..lol

The only objection I have, is a women shouldn't be sent to war if she has small children, it's not fair to the children.

i say include them in the draft too, they wanted all the rights men have and got them, including the right to vote...well with that right comes responsibility.

i say include them in the draft too, they wanted all the rights men have and got them, including the right to vote...well with that right comes responsibility.

Very right. I want to join the millitary and go into armed conflict, should i be told no just because i am a womem. Of cource not. I will make the consious desion to put my self in danger. It should always be up to the individual and no one should ave rule over which jobs they can hold.

i don't believe women should be in the military for one they're not built for as much physical abuse as men. that, and they can be to emotional. and to be frank no one wants to see a woman get hurt. its the same reason women don't play football

yea, cus they dont sign up. and some do play football. theres no rule either that says they cant, unlike the military which says they cant serve in combat roles, correct me if im wrong. and there was that lady that played division 1A football as a kicker a couple years ago. they are jsut as able as men, so let em fight for their coutnry.

I think women are well suited for many jobs ion the armed services, but recently too many women have been honored for just being women in the military, not on what they did while there.
There was a lady back a few years who was nominated for a Medal of Honor.
She was a helicopter pilot that disobeyed orders to rescue some troops, and got shot down and most of her command killed.

Thats not bravery, thats dumb.

and she wasnt a hero, she broke the rules, and people died becuase of it.

Im not saying that all women are like this, but many women are often incapable of making a hard decison based solely on logic, but rather thier own emotions.
This isnt usually a bad thing, its just how women seem to be wired.
In a combat situation....sometimes emotions get in the way of what needs to be done.

Making emotional decisions can dull the "killer instinct".

If you had to kill the bad guy..who was guarded by six innocent children, but that would defend him with thier lives...meaning...you have to kill the children as well, in order to defeat the bad guy....who WILL be responsible for many more deaths if you dont.....you do what needs to be done.

Sometimes..some women cant make that choice.

And really..it just might be to thier credit.

i don't believe women should be in the military for one they're not built for as much physical abuse as men. that, and they can be to emotional. and to be frank no one wants to see a woman get hurt. its the same reason women don't play football

I played football for two years in school and I have enjoyed it not only because i like it but because i was treated the same as anyother man on the team. And if women have chosen the right to be equal to men then they should have the same responsiblities as a man. Who says all women are emotional. Also frankly when have women ever followed what everyone wants.

i don't believe women should be in the military for one they're not built for as much physical abuse as men. that, and they can be to emotional. and to be frank no one wants to see a woman get hurt. its the same reason women don't play football

I have some of friends on a women's rugby team that would make you cry like a little girl if they heard that comment...:)

sure a women deserves respect for joining the military just like any man but men grow up being treated rough in sense just to grow mental roughness so they can take in harsh things thrown at them. women are pampered and should be protected by men, not the other way around

ahahaha we're all like

"Women are too over emotional!!! They will fret over a dead body and bury it and try to clean themselves of blood and brush the desert with a broom!! Ahhahhaahaa Weak women! women suck! Now go cook me some dinner"

and the women are all like

"GGGggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroooooowllllllll, no sex for you!"

basically, we both suck. Women should be used in the war, they are the most malicious violent Things i h ave ever seen, they dont need guns, give them specially crafted claws and let them run wild, crazy bitches. Actually let me say one more thing

What the fuck is everyone talking about? ever emotional? Come on now, we all have that one guy friend who cuts himself and cries every night when he has the life everyone envies in like a freaking mansion because hes lovesick over someone. Its not about wiring, its about how your raised and most women are raised to be different then men, they are told they are delicate and the few that are treated the same are all cool "tomboys" and shit so dont go giving me this wiring shit, this weak shit, cause muscles all develope the same, bitches

sure a women deserves respect for joining the military just like any man but men grow up being treated rough in sense just to grow mental roughness so they can take in harsh things thrown at them. women are pampered and should be protected by men, not the other way around

Ok i mean no rudness if it comes out that way. I have been teased everyday of my god given life and i know i will continue to be teased as i go though my last years of high school. I am not pampered i have grown up knowing that life is tough. My father is in the millitary and i understand the phisical and mental strain it has. I never want to be protected my a man. I am ready and willing to do that to my self of my own free will.

women DO NOT belong in the military! men and womwn's brains are different and women deal with things like death and having to kill people differently and a lot more emotionally! also women aren't as strong as men, i had to do RAF cadets with school and we went shooting quite a lot on ranges at RAF bases and so i know how heavy the guns are, i found it difficult keeping the gun up to aim at the target whilst lieing down so i don't know how i would manage stood up and in the sweltering heat in somewhere like Iraq!
When did you join UKIP? Just because Kilroy is a member.

sure a women deserves respect for joining the military just like any man but men grow up being treated rough in sense just to grow mental roughness so they can take in harsh things thrown at them. women are pampered and should be protected by men, not the other way around

the problem with that is that you are stereotyping. i know men who are such wussies they would die in no time in combat. and i also know some women who would hunt down every last person shooting at them and have fun doing it. you have to look at people individually and even if you allow women to serve, which we do, not every woman is gonna sign up. the tough women will sign up and have their chance and i say let em.

the problem with that is that you are stereotyping. i know men who are such wussies they would die in no time in combat. and i also know some women who would hunt down every last person shooting at them and have fun doing it. you have to look at people individually and even if you allow women to serve, which we do, not every woman is gonna sign up. the tough women will sign up and have their chance and i say let em.

im not saying it shoul be illegal for women to join i just dont want to think about a girl getting hurt when a man could take her place. sorry im not trying to be as ass

im not saying it shoul be illegal for women to join i just dont want to think about a girl getting hurt when a man could take her place. sorry im not trying to be as ass

Yes i see your point of view but that "girl" made the consious descion to put her self in that place.

ahahaha we're all like

"Women are too over emotional!!! They will fret over a dead body and bury it and try to clean themselves of blood and brush the desert with a broom!! Ahhahhaahaa Weak women! women suck! Now go cook me some dinner"

and the women are all like

"GGGggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroooooowllllllll, no sex for you!"

basically, we both suck. Women should be used in the war, they are the most malicious violent Things i h ave ever seen, they dont need guns, give them specially crafted claws and let them run wild, crazy bitches. Actually let me say one more thing

What the fuck is everyone talking about? ever emotional? Come on now, we all have that one guy friend who cuts himself and cries every night when he has the life everyone envies in like a freaking mansion because hes lovesick over someone. Its not about wiring, its about how your raised and most women are raised to be different then men, they are told they are delicate and the few that are treated the same are all cool "tomboys" and shit so dont go giving me this wiring shit, this weak shit, cause muscles all develope the same, bitches

Your a woman arent you?

I don't see any reason why a women should not be allowed to serve a combat role. Let's do away with all the concepts of honor and fortitude for a second, and get right down to what a combat soldier's duty is, to kill another human being before he kills you. The entire concept of warfare is based around this, now if someone is going to argue women are incapable of doing this just as well as men, well then you've never pissed off your girl have you?

women shoul be protected. if a man and a girl are in a physical fight than the man will probably win. rape occurs because the girl cant beat the man physicaly and there is no man to protect her. women should have the right to do whatever they choose but why should they when a man could do it for them

...um, liberation?

You can't have a social group who fights for equal rights and then says "Oh, by the way, can you still do the dirty jobs for me, I might break a nail".

Your intentions are good, but extremely patronising...

naw, im male


i just think most women are physcotic and vicious

women shoul be protected. if a man and a girl are in a physical fight than the man will probably win. rape occurs because the girl cant beat the man physicaly and there is no man to protect her. women should have the right to do whatever they choose but why should they when a man could do it for them

Why should i vote when i am old enough when a man can do it for me. Why should i be a doctor when a man can do that for me. Why should i learn when a man can just control my life. Why should i cook when a man can do that for me too. I could vote because i choose to, i can be a doctor because it is my dream, i cna control me life because i want to, and i can cook because i think it is fun.

so? I wish i could fly, can you do that for me?

--I repeat, i repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat--

wait i actually read that post, haha, that was pretty funny, why should women do anything when we can do it for them

Why should i vote when i am old enough when a man can do it for me. Why should i be a doctor when a man can do that for me. Why should i learn when a man can just control my life. Why should i cook when a man can do that for me too. I could vote because i choose to, i can be a doctor because it is my dream, i cna control me life because i want to, and i can cook because i think it is fun.

i ment what i said more like why should a women lift a 200 hundred pound box when a man can do it for her, why should a woman run fifty miles in a bliizzard to get needed supplies when a man can do it for her. women are precious they should be held up and protected like a glass rose

During my military training, there were more women on the course than men (nurses, physios, docs and dentists). Some were absolutely brilliant. They were tough, fit, sensible, and good commanders. Unfortunately, they were markedly in the minority. Most were slow, emotional, admin vortexes, and spent more time putting on make-up than they did putting on cam cream. The ranges were, frankly dangerous. Women should NOT be let near military weapons! They also had lesser physical tests to pass than the men, despite doing the same jobs!

Women in the military, yes . In combat arms? No!!! There may be some minority that can hack it (in fact I am sure that there are), but the majority CANNOT, and I would hate to see other soldiers put at risk just because some lassie thinks that she is as good a man as they are, and is WRONG. It's bad enough when other men have that attitude, but there are ways of making such soldiers leave....

i ment what i said more like why should a women lift a 200 hundred pound box when a man can do it for her, why should a woman run fifty miles in a bliizzard to get needed supplies when a man can do it for her. women are precious they should be held up and protected like a glass rose

I understand you point almost. But i dont want to be treated like a glass rose. I want to join the millitary because I want a challange. If i let a man do something for me i am defeting the porpous i have joined for.

Women in the military, yes . In combat arms? No!!! There may be some minority that can hack it (in fact I am sure that there are), but the majority CANNOT,

I agree but i would like to be counted in the minority. I have hanled a M16 rifle an the regulated wepons the gaurds on the entrance to base hold. Yes the wepons are heavy but easily handled once you get used to them.

I understand you point almost. But i dont want to be treated like a glass rose. I want to join the millitary because I want a challange. If i let a man do something for me i am defeting the porpous i have joined for.

if you chose to put yourself in harms way then fine i respect that.
also to say my grandparents were both marines, two of my uncles were marines, another was in the army, i have a cousin in the army, my best friends going into the army, and as soon as i graduate collage im joining the marines. so may god protect your ass

if you chose to put yourself in harms way then fine i respect that.
also to say my grandparents were both marines, two of my uncles were marines, another was in the army, i have a cousin in the army, my best friends going into the army, and as soon as i graduate collage im joining the marines. so may god protect your ass
You too, You too. Wow the Marines. I was think about the army but i want to follow in my fathers footsteps. To the Air i fly. Air Force!!

Then you have my respect. Too many women in the military do not. It is a political game, and once you let some in to the combat arms (initially those, like you, that can do it), it isn't long until the "we are all equal" brigade start insisting on lowering entry standards to get more women in and operational effectiveness goes to hell in a hand basket. Some people forget that this isn't a game we are playing here.

Oh how i wish tat they would not lower the standads of entry. Every women who enters should be physically fita nd ready for combat. Even though i chose the air force i hope women who chose the army or any other armed forces that participates in ground combat would be ready for the challange.

Then you have my respect. Too many women in the military do not. It is a political game, and once you let some in to the combat arms (initially those, like you, that can do it), it isn't long until the "we are all equal" brigade start insisting on lowering entry standards to get more women in and operational effectiveness goes to hell in a hand basket. Some people forget that this isn't a game we are playing here.

I am most definitely against lowering standard - in my hometown, the police force have just recently introduced a minimum intake of female recruits percentage. IMHO, people should be accepted on their test scores and aptitude, not on their genitalia.

I am most definitely against lowering standard - in my hometown, the police force have just recently introduced a minimum intake of female recruits percentage. IMHO, people should be accepted on their test scores and aptitude, not on their genitalia.
Good to here that people are buckling down on their commitments

Female military here (Navy). Should we be in the military? Sure. Should EVERY slot that a male could fill be open to females? No way. I'm gonna get slammed for making this comment I know (please be gentle).

Women do not belong in combat. This country is not ready to deal with that yet. Jessica What's Her Name (the POW who was rescued, and I cannot even remember her last name because the way she was idealized has caused my brain to block it out like a tragic memory).....called a "Hero" even though she threw down her weapon and began praying (uuuhh...hello?....that's a tad against the Geneva Convention). She was called a Hero. You've got to be kidding me. What about every other POW? Since when is Jessica more heroic than the others?

Because she is a female. It makes me sick.

I have done all sorts of odd jobs in the military thus far, be it little secretarial jobs to full blown physically demanding tasks (firefighting on a ship, which is TOUGH). I admit that my female companions and I were not as strong as our male counterparts, and manpower is saved when the men do it. That is life. However, females make excellent medics, journalists (that's me), administrative, legalman, supply, logistical, etc... Women can do ALOT. Before women go around parading "we can do anything a man can do", they need to stop and evaluate where they are of the most benefit as a whole. It pains me that military women want such individual recognition in the midst of a collective institution. We cannot be effective if we are not working as a team; and any real team knows that each must compliment the other's weak points, and step back when someone else can do it better.

Thanks for reading.

During my military training, there were more women on the course than men (nurses, physios, docs and dentists). Some were absolutely brilliant. They were tough, fit, sensible, and good commanders. Unfortunately, they were markedly in the minority. Most were slow, emotional, admin vortexes, and spent more time putting on make-up than they did putting on cam cream. The ranges were, frankly dangerous. Women should NOT be let near military weapons! They also had lesser physical tests to pass than the men, despite doing the same jobs!

Women in the military, yes . In combat arms? No!!! There may be some minority that can hack it (in fact I am sure that there are), but the majority CANNOT, and I would hate to see other soldiers put at risk just because some lassie thinks that she is as good a man as they are, and is WRONG. It's bad enough when other men have that attitude, but there are ways of making such soldiers leave....


their was a female in my platoon that took 7 times to qualify with an M-16

7 TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dumb as a post as well, (yet she had a masters Degree and two bachelors from some university in Puerto Rico)

Hell I don't think Women should be in the MP Corps.

We may be Combat Support Arms, But we see the most combat out of any other Combat Support Arms, and are seeing more Action in Iraq than Infantry or Armor or Artillery. We may as well be Combat Arms.


Sure Garrison maybe, but Tactical errrrr, don't get me wrong there are plenty females i know that would be able to do it. BUT most of them can't.