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Hello all,and todays topic I plan to introduce to these forums are paranormal topics,ranging from the afterlife(or more better termed a state of existence after death) to UFOs,a very wide range.

I am a paranormal investigator in my country of Singapore,part of a group called Singapore Paranormal Investigators(http://www.spi.com.sg/,and also involve myself with Singapore Urban Explorers.That ends the introduction.We mostly concentrate on looking at paranormal incidents relating to otherworldly entities commonly termed 'ghosts','spirits' and various other terms

I have done a lot of research and some investigations,as well as talked to plenty of credible sources,sifting through anecdotal evidence,as well as video and photo images and some audio recordings.We look at different arguments and try to use reason and data to test our theories,to check whether it is natural phenomena or whether it is truly a paranormal incident of sorts.

Naturally,any people on these forums will totally disregard the existence of such paranormal phenomena,such as psychic experiences,supernatural occurences and various other events,often without looking at the evidence,or looking at the evidence and coming to their own conclusions.

I have always doubted the existence of the paranormal,and having been brought up in a culture that is still to this day rather superstitious,I take all the stories that I hear with a pinch of salt.Doubt what can be doubted until it is proven,an approach that works for me.For example,causes of a supposed haunting can range from reflected light of a street lamp,to strange sounds caused by the contraction of concrete and steel beams in a building,to rats scurrying around a place,to draughts of cold air flowing around the place causing people to feel cold,to infrasound,low-frequency sound used by elephants to communicate over long distances that can affect ones brain,to electromagnetic fields that affect perceptions.

However,my research of the literature available,a lot of cross referencing to ensure its validity,at least one personal experience and investigation by credible sources definitely as well as evidence from those investigations have led me to conclude that yes,the paranormal does exist,however it is rare,and that yes,a form of conscious existence after death does exist.

OOC:a note to all would be paranormal investigators and enthusiasts whereever you are,just be cautious in your approach to such things.A lot of what you find is certainly explainable by reason and natural laws,as well as freak chances,like a rat causing a scuttling noiseor sounding like a ghost.also,paranormal investigations aren't all that glamorous.take it from me.90% of the time nothing happens or its perfectly explainable,and all you do is end up waiting and getting bored.

of course,its then the 10% that cannot be explained that mystifies ppl.you should always be rational and go through the list of possibilities slowly and thoroughly.

In my investigations and research,I have come across atheists who believe in some form of conscious existence after death,trained professionals who have researched it empirically and have come to believe in the existence of the paranormal,at the very least in some areas of the paranormal and close-minded skeptics(more acurately its cynics,where even if you present them data that is conclusive,they still don't make a conclusion based on the data.)

Finally,a note on psychic hotlines,which are a distinctly North American and British cultural phenomenon.They are there simply for a profit.Companies profit from it,and ppl make a living out of it.So don't use it as most of them are simply fake.Of course,psychics and mediums exist,its just that there are those rare ones who are genuine.

An exmaple to view with caution is the medium John Edwards whose show 'Crossing Over' airs on the Sci-Fi channel.I have many conflicting reports about it and am personally undecided about whether he is a fraud or the genuine deal.

So what's your biggest case so far? And how do you reconcile the paranormal to your belief in God as manifested in your signature?

Other than God is paranormal, himself, or at least a third ;) .

What about bigfoot? Does cryptozoology fall under "paranormal?"

Me!

hmm thats cool.

have you studied the brazilian person ("arigo") in the 60s who was supposedly posessed by a doctor? just finished a book on that, it was interesting, although i cant say that i know much about that sort of thing.

ok heres the truth ghosts dont exists ufo's only land in the south and other countries bigfoot is really ted kazisky (spelling there is poor but the uni bomber) and Godzilla rules the universe.

ok heres the truth ghosts dont exists ufo's only land in the south and other countries bigfoot is really ted kazisky (spelling there is poor but the uni bomber) and Godzilla rules the universe.

Ha, ha. :rolleyes:

I'm also interested in paranormal stuff. I once saw a floating, white sphere in a nearby forest that zipped by and made a sound like a chainsaw cutting through wood. Now that's something that doesn't happen everyday.

I'm also interested in paranormal stuff. I once saw a floating, white sphere in a nearby forest that zipped by and made a sound like a chainsaw cutting through wood. Now that's something that doesn't happen everyday.

Ever heard of the Paulding Light? (If not, Google.com is your new best friend :p ). What you say you saw sounds similar to the Paudling Light. And, as science describes it, it's bioluminescant (sp?) swamp gas....though, the Paulding Light doesn't make any sound....

Me!

Things are only "paranormal" if you believe that they are paranormal. I mean, experiences like "seeing things" can be rare, but if it happens it's all "normal", isn't it?

jesus saves

Hello all,and todays topic I plan to introduce to these forums are paranormal topics,ranging from the afterlife(or more better termed a state of existence after death) to UFOs,a very wide range.

I am a paranormal investigator in my country of Singapore,part of a group called Singapore Paranormal Investigators(http://www.spi.com.sg/,and also involve myself with Singapore Urban Explorers.That ends the introduction.We mostly concentrate on looking at paranormal incidents relating to otherworldly entities commonly termed 'ghosts','spirits' and various other terms

I have done a lot of research and some investigations,as well as talked to plenty of credible sources,sifting through anecdotal evidence,as well as video and photo images and some audio recordings.We look at different arguments and try to use reason and data to test our theories,to check whether it is natural phenomena or whether it is truly a paranormal incident of sorts.

Naturally,any people on these forums will totally disregard the existence of such paranormal phenomena,such as psychic experiences,supernatural occurences and various other events,often without looking at the evidence,or looking at the evidence and coming to their own conclusions.

I have always doubted the existence of the paranormal,and having been brought up in a culture that is still to this day rather superstitious,I take all the stories that I hear with a pinch of salt.Doubt what can be doubted until it is proven,an approach that works for me.For example,causes of a supposed haunting can range from reflected light of a street lamp,to strange sounds caused by the contraction of concrete and steel beams in a building,to rats scurrying around a place,to draughts of cold air flowing around the place causing people to feel cold,to infrasound,low-frequency sound used by elephants to communicate over long distances that can affect ones brain,to electromagnetic fields that affect perceptions.

However,my research of the literature available,a lot of cross referencing to ensure its validity,at least one personal experience and investigation by credible sources definitely as well as evidence from those investigations have led me to conclude that yes,the paranormal does exist,however it is rare,and that yes,a form of conscious existence after death does exist.

OOC:a note to all would be paranormal investigators and enthusiasts whereever you are,just be cautious in your approach to such things.A lot of what you find is certainly explainable by reason and natural laws,as well as freak chances,like a rat causing a scuttling noiseor sounding like a ghost.also,paranormal investigations aren't all that glamorous.take it from me.90% of the time nothing happens or its perfectly explainable,and all you do is end up waiting and getting bored.

of course,its then the 10% that cannot be explained that mystifies ppl.you should always be rational and go through the list of possibilities slowly and thoroughly.

In my investigations and research,I have come across atheists who believe in some form of conscious existence after death,trained professionals who have researched it empirically and have come to believe in the existence of the paranormal,at the very least in some areas of the paranormal and close-minded skeptics(more acurately its cynics,where even if you present them data that is conclusive,they still don't make a conclusion based on the data.)

Finally,a note on psychic hotlines,which are a distinctly North American and British cultural phenomenon.They are there simply for a profit.Companies profit from it,and ppl make a living out of it.So don't use it as most of them are simply fake.Of course,psychics and mediums exist,its just that there are those rare ones who are genuine.

An exmaple to view with caution is the medium John Edwards whose show 'Crossing Over' airs on the Sci-Fi channel.I have many conflicting reports about it and am personally undecided about whether he is a fraud or the genuine deal.this is what Im talken about regarding an afterlife--atheists hate religion so much (and I can totally understand why) yet in their fanaticsm then deny everything spiritual and paranormal and I think thats going too far

Ever heard of the Paulding Light? (If not, Google.com is your new best friend :p ). What you say you saw sounds similar to the Paudling Light. And, as science describes it, it's bioluminescant (sp?) swamp gas....though, the Paulding Light doesn't make any sound....

Me!
But if it was a sound like a chainsaw buzzing through wood...and he saw it in a forest...

jesus saves
jesus also communicated with paranormal creatures

and got nailed to a tree...

and rose from the dead in fulfilment of the scriptures

and rose from the dead in fulfilment of the scriptures
and fed himself to people...

Why in the hell do christians have to bring their fairy tales and fables into EVERYTHING? What are you trying to accomplish john? Do you honestly think somebody is gonna buy into your bullocks? Why do you feel the need to spew your garbage? are you that insecure in your religion?


Jesus never rose from the dead. Untill you can show some sort of non faith based evidence that suggests he did then please shut the hell up.


Sorry that may seem harsh to you all but I truly do get sick of christians trying to bring their garbage into every thread and totally ruining it.


Now as for the paranormal...

I am a rather hardcore atheist who believes rather strongly in naturalism. However I do not rule out the paranormal totally. However every single investigation I have made into such claims(and there have been MANY)... they all turn out to be bullocks. I have traveled GREAT distances to investigate paranormal things for myself. Out of atleast 40 or so attempts at paranormal investigation I have come across NOTHING. EVERYTHING can be explained by some kind of naturual cause and untill proven otherwise I think that most paranormal claims are completely bogus.


and believe me I truly have tried almost everything. I even have been in situations where several people claim to have seen ghosts and I'm right there along side them and I see nothing. I have slept very soundly in places that suppoedly have been haunted. The excuses people into paranormal and new age culture use is really quite funny. I have been told I'm literally "spiritually dead" by lots of psychics, have had many people claim my soul vibrates at such low frequency that I do not even have an "aura" they basically imply I'm souless.


They use those things as excuses as to why I cannot experiance anything paranormal. quite pathetic indeed.


The thought of consciousness outside of death seems rather ludacris to me. How exactly do you expect anyone to have consciousness when consciousness depends soley on the brain? just look at somebody who gets some brain damage.. they are totally different people.

For what it's worth ....
i've never, to my knowledge, recognized an extraterrestrial being in reality, in my presence.
i have however, with several witnesses, seen two phenomenon a person could call UFO's (they were not identifiable by any witness there and they were flying)
i have also on MANY occasion been in the presence of things a person could call ghosts or disembodied spirits.
Ever hear of the Street Lamp Interference Data Exchange, based in SE London?
I could type more to explain the situations but i'll wait 'til someone prompts me on them. All the accounts i would go into involve witnesses besides myself and not of same mentality/temperment.

Ever hear of the Street Lamp Interference Data Exchange, based in SE London?
I think that when people come up with a name for an organization, they make sure it can first be craftily abreviated... SLIDE...

I truly believe what you consider "ghosts" are nothing more than illusions.


About multiple people seeing these things, I once did a little experiment where on a ghost hunt I totally made up seeing a ghost, I said "oh my god! look at it!" and I totally played the part. To this day the people who were with me swear they seen a ghost however it was nothing more than them wanting to go along with what everyone else was saying. It truly was quite amusing how they all fed information off eachother untill they got a story straight.


I believe the same thing happens all the time. One person sees an illusion which in turn causes the rest to go along with it.


As of my knowledge... there as been no proof of anything paranormal. atleast not anything that can be tested

oh and I believe alien beings are HIGHLY likely. Whether they have even bothered to visit the earth... is anyones guess.

Why in the hell do christians have to bring their fairy tales and fables into EVERYTHING? What are you trying to accomplish john? Do you honestly think somebody is gonna buy into your bullocks? Why do you feel the need to spew your garbage? are you that insecure in your religion?


Jesus never rose from the dead. Untill you can show some sort of non faith based evidence that suggests he did then please shut the hell up.


Sorry that may seem harsh to you all but I truly do get sick of christians trying to bring their garbage into every thread and totally ruining it.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So is garbage. You don't know what you're missing. Oh well, your loss, but please don't rampage around flaming God, thank you.

Well, the same could be said to you. You dont know what your missing by choosing not to believe in all the other gods out there.


Anyways I would not have to bash anybody or flame any god if these christians would quit trying to get brownie points from their invisible god fellow and stop trying to shove their garbage downy my throat.


"jesus saves" I mean really whatb the hell was the point in that? What exactly did he expect to contribute to the thread by posting that? I call idiots how I see them, even though I find pretty much all christians to be infected with the psychological illnesss that is religion... I have no problem with them believing what they want. When they try to force their garbage down my throat... that is when I get angry.

ok heres the truth ghosts dont exists ufo's only land in the south and other countries bigfoot is really ted kazisky (spelling there is poor but the uni bomber) and Godzilla rules the universe.

hmm.Sarcasm is so wonderful from these caring online communities.If you think that we are just cranks discussing nonsense and just want to put us down,then leave.If you want to contribute to it logically and voice your views,then just go ahead.

another note to the Christians,I can respect your views,but we are to appraoch any discussion of the 'paranormal' in this thread in a rational and open-minded manner.Please do not bring your subjective religious beliefs into the discussion(MY discussion) as you are not being rational in merely following them.

Do not impose your views on others.As well,keep to the topic.We are not her to discuss God/higher entity/Allah,whatever the heck you want to call it.We are talking about paranormal incidents that may or may not occur,specifically with regard to ghosts/spirits/entities of non-human nature and their possible existence(though from my research/investigations I feel they exist)

Similarly,regarding UFOs,we are not talking about UFOs or thereof,as many cranks make claims about "beings of higher vibrations" and whatnot from alternate realties or some mysterious dimension within the Earth,and the psychology of any alleged alien species which possesses the technology to supposedly visit Earth and evolved on a planet far away is beyond us at this juncture in time.So we will let the topic of UFOs rest.Personally,I believe that there are other sentient life forms out there as it is a big universe,but UFOs,I personally don't know and lack enough data to come to a conclusion,but the probability is very low.

I have never personally had a paranormal experience before,and much of the paranormal information out there is sensationalist and in other words...bullshit,the result of mass hysteria,hallucinations and other natural phenomena such as reflected lights from mirrors or fluctuating magnetic fields or infrasound.

Regarding my personal experience,that I will hold in doubt as it is highly likely explainable by psychology.However,other factors such as testimony from people that I implicity trust such as close family members,anecdotal evidence that I sift through and valid,credible sources that I have checked up on lead me to believe in an afterlife.

Regarding the brain activity,I would like you to refer to studies by a one Dr Fenwick from the UK,a neuroscientist,as well as research carried out by Elizabeth Kubler-Ross,specifically with regard to near-death experiences,which aren't

For possible evidence of reincarnation(which I am open to the possibility of),look to sources on a Dr Brian Weiss,a Yale-trained psychiatrist who uses regression therapy to treat patients.

Your decision to look at the testimony of these individuals is up to you.Make you own judgements based on your own knowledge.

As for an earlier post about Arigo,take a look->
http://www.adam.com.au/bstett/PaPsychicSurgery61.htm

Well, the same could be said to you. You dont know what your missing by choosing not to believe in all the other gods out there.


Anyways I would not have to bash anybody or flame any god if these christians would quit trying to get brownie points from their invisible god fellow and stop trying to shove their garbage downy my throat.


"jesus saves" I mean really whatb the hell was the point in that? What exactly did he expect to contribute to the thread by posting that? I call idiots how I see them, even though I find pretty much all christians to be infected with the psychological illnesss that is religion... I have no problem with them believing what they want. When they try to force their garbage down my throat... that is when I get angry.
heyy...calm down. nobody's pointing a gun to your head saying "YOU MUST READ THIS AND ACCEPT!" you reading this thread is out of your own choice and free will.

i think "jesus saves" was a little joke...don't get too excited over it...

this is what Im talken about regarding an afterlife--atheists hate religion so much (and I can totally understand why) yet in their fanaticsm then deny everything spiritual and paranormal and I think thats going too far

no credible evidence for it = i'm not going to waste my time on it.