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Too long have we been hearing what he/she has been against. Against Bush, the Iraq war, and anything else with a smattering of the Republican party. Now, let's hear from him/her, and see his/her vision for America. What does he want for this country? What type of government should there be. What should our role in the world be? And no, I don't want to hear from him/her his one-liners, like "an end to fascism", or "a restoration of the republic". These statements tell any learned person nothing, other than his/her hate for the conservatives. So, let's hear from him/her.

One phrase my friend: A very liberal government.

One phrase my friend: A very liberal government.
I know. I'm just curious to hear from him/her for myself.

I know. I'm just curious to hear from him/her for myself.

I doubt you get a clear answer but I'm with you. I want to know too!

I have seen him post quite a lot of anrchist stuff. Definately anti authoritarian.

Too long have we been hearing what he/she has been against. Against Bush, the Iraq war, and anything else with a smattering of the Republican party. Now, let's hear from him/her, and see his/her vision for America. What does he want for this country? What type of government should there be. What should our role in the world be? And no, I don't want to hear from him/her his one-liners, like "an end to fascism", or "a restoration of the republic". These statements tell any learned person nothing, other than his/her hate for the conservatives. So, let's hear from him/her.
Him--Im not a hermaphrodite

Him--Im not a hermaphrodite

Not YET anyway...

so what do you want?

I have seen him post quite a lot of anrchist stuff. Definately anti authoritarian.
its healthy to subvert authority wherever it rears its ugly head

All authority must be questioned. But no authority will destroy us. Weird, ain't it? :headbang:

Come on! Stop dodging the question.

Why are you for?

Come on! Stop dodging the question.

Why are you for?

I agree with Black Forrest! Stop dodging and answer.

Not YET anyway...

so what do you want?
universal health care, legal drugs,legal prostitution, public nudity&sex,legal gambling everywhere, gay marriage and people being able to marry more then one person,living wages, worker-owned corporations,lowering the voting and drinking age,many many more publicly owned media outlets,contraceptives and birth control (including RU486) in schools and jails, alternative energy and alternatives to jail for non violent offenders, shorter work weeks and more manditory leasure time and enforced vacations a cutoff of all military aid and arms deals to foreign nations, technological innovations based on increasing peoples capacity for pleasure--thats all I can think of for now but Im sure I think of more things after I post this but basically anything that increases people power and maximum freedom

All authority must be questioned. But no authority will destroy us. Weird, ain't it? :headbang:
very but its too maddening to think about

Are these things that you want or things that you believe that are reasonably achievable in America today?

universal healthcare won't be happening.
same goes for legal drugs -- look at the war on drugs
same goes for legal prostitution -- growing STD's and moral objections (of course)
public nudity and sex -- dream on
legal gambling -- control shifts from government to gangs/hustlers
gay marriage and polygamy -- possible, but big moralistic obstacles
living wages -- the more money in the pocket of the worker, the higher the prices. theres no such thing.
worker-owned corporations -- haha
lowered voting and drinking age -- screwed up elections and more drinking-related accidents

that's all Im going to address because Im lazy.

I'm curious about MKULTRA's name. Is it, perhaps, a reference to one of the major reasons that he/she dislikes authority...?

I'm curious about MKULTRA's name. Is it, perhaps, a reference to one of the major reasons that he/she dislikes authority...?

MK Ultra is an indie pop rock band and they are awesome. It's this guy John Vanderslice, and he is not an anarchist, he is just a nice guy. :)

Are these things that you want or things that you believe that are reasonably achievable in America today?

universal healthcare won't be happening.
same goes for legal drugs -- look at the war on drugs
same goes for legal prostitution -- growing STD's and moral objections (of course)
public nudity and sex -- dream on
legal gambling -- control shifts from government to gangs/hustlers
gay marriage and polygamy -- possible, but big moralistic obstacles
living wages -- the more money in the pocket of the worker, the higher the prices. theres no such thing.
worker-owned corporations -- haha
lowered voting and drinking age -- screwed up elections and more drinking-related accidents

that's all Im going to address because Im lazy.

1. Yeah, it can and most likely will be happening
2. So what? Why should we keep something illegal that really doesn't harm anyone (the drug that he is referring to)
3. Why is legal prostitution bad? If we regulate it, no excess of STD's
4. Agreed with the sex, nudity...nothing wrong with that
5. Yeah, we all know how much of a gangland Vegas is
6. Who cares about the morals of a bunch of reactionaries
7. True
8. We already have that. They're called 'shares'
9. I doubt that.

I'm curious about MKULTRA's name. Is it, perhaps, a reference to one of the major reasons that he/she dislikes authority...?
when the govt fears the people there is liberty
when the people fear the govt there is tyranny

Are these things that you want or things that you believe that are reasonably achievable in America today?

universal healthcare won't be happening.
same goes for legal drugs -- look at the war on drugs
same goes for legal prostitution -- growing STD's and moral objections (of course)
public nudity and sex -- dream on
legal gambling -- control shifts from government to gangs/hustlers
gay marriage and polygamy -- possible, but big moralistic obstacles
living wages -- the more money in the pocket of the worker, the higher the prices. theres no such thing.
worker-owned corporations -- haha
lowered voting and drinking age -- screwed up elections and more drinking-related accidents

that's all Im going to address because Im lazy.I think its all acheivebale in our lifetimes

Are these things that you want or things that you believe that are reasonably achievable in America today?

universal healthcare won't be happening.
same goes for legal drugs -- look at the war on drugs
same goes for legal prostitution -- growing STD's and moral objections (of course)
public nudity and sex -- dream on
legal gambling -- control shifts from government to gangs/hustlers
gay marriage and polygamy -- possible, but big moralistic obstacles
living wages -- the more money in the pocket of the worker, the higher the prices. theres no such thing.
worker-owned corporations -- haha
lowered voting and drinking age -- screwed up elections and more drinking-related accidents

that's all Im going to address because Im lazy.

1. Universal HealthCare has happened in our neighbor to the north and in many Scandinavian countries. It's not just a possibility, it's a likelihood.

2. "Look at the war on drugs." The war on drugs is ineffective, and if natural drugs such as psychotropic mushrooms and marijuana were legalized the government could regulate them and remove the "gateway" element. The reason they are gateway drugs is mostly because the people PROVIDING the drugs such as marijuana (which is basically harmless if vaporized; Vaporization eliminates the smoke element and just moves the active ingredient of THC into your body; THC just makes you feel "high" and if it was legal the paranoia would not be an evident thing. The longterm "memory less" issue is pretty pointless, given that alcohol is legal and causes people to be violent and can result in alcohol poisoning)

3. Blahblah blah this isn't worth it

its not so much that I dont believe in any govt at all I just think it needs to be beaten into subsmisson on a daily basis

1. Yeah, it can and most likely will be happening
2. So what? Why should we keep something illegal that really doesn't harm anyone (the drug that he is referring to)
3. Why is legal prostitution bad? If we regulate it, no excess of STD's
4. Agreed with the sex, nudity...nothing wrong with that
5. Yeah, we all know how much of a gangland Vegas is
6. Who cares about the morals of a bunch of reactionaries
7. True
8. We already have that. They're called 'shares'
9. I doubt that.

1: I doubt it that it will occur. If it does, it'll be long after we're adults!
2: What drug are you refering to? I didn't see a drug named.
3: There will be an excess of STDs unless you have a plan to make sure it doesnt spread. However, unless you have police making sure that said plan is enforced, it'll cost us to much money.
4: No one said it was. However, what you are advocating has moral consequences. Thus, doubtful it'll happen.
5: I don't know about that. Some of them are clean and others could be dirty. However, if a Casino is found to be dirty, normally its cracked opened and the Perps caught!
6: Most Parents actually care about morals as well as the majority of the country.
7: Agreed. True
8: As for shares, many of them are stock options and I bet some don't even realize that they have them. Also, anyone can own any stock, not just the company stock. Really not an issue.
9: again false! It will. We already have an underage drinking problem here. More accidents are caused by drunk drivers, though cell phone related accidents are rapidly climbing. Unsure about the voting age so I'll leave it at that.

1. Universal HealthCare has happened in our neighbor to the north and in many Scandinavian countries. It's not just a possibility, it's a likelihood.

2. "Look at the war on drugs." The war on drugs is ineffective, and if natural drugs such as psychotropic mushrooms and marijuana were legalized the government could regulate them and remove the "gateway" element. The reason they are gateway drugs is mostly because the people PROVIDING the drugs such as marijuana (which is basically harmless if vaporized; Vaporization eliminates the smoke element and just moves the active ingredient of THC into your body; THC just makes you feel "high" and if it was legal the paranoia would not be an evident thing. The longterm "memory less" issue is pretty pointless, given that alcohol is legal and causes people to be violent and can result in alcohol poisoning)

3. Blahblah blah this isn't worth iti went to amsterdam once and i never wanted to come home :(

As far as universal healthcare is concerned...sure, Canada has it...but it isn't that great, they're overall healthcare is far behind what ours is... (ours being America)

1: I doubt it that it will occur. If it does, it'll be long after we're adults!
2: What drug are you refering to? I didn't see a drug named.
3: There will be an excess of STDs unless you have a plan to make sure it doesnt spread. However, unless you have police making sure that said plan is enforced, it'll cost us to much money.
4: No one said it was. However, what you are advocating has moral consequences. Thus, doubtful it'll happen.
5: I don't know about that. Some of them are clean and others could be dirty. However, if a Casino is found to be dirty, normally its cracked opened and the Perps caught!
6: Most Parents actually care about morals as well as the majority of the country.
7: Agreed. True
8: As for shares, many of them are stock options and I bet some don't even realize that they have them. Also, anyone can own any stock, not just the company stock. Really not an issue.
9: again false! It will. We already have an underage drinking problem here. More accidents are caused by drunk drivers, though cell phone related accidents are rapidly climbing. Unsure about the voting age so I'll leave it at that.
2.ALL drugs 3. prostitutes can be liscensed and have to work in clean brothels with enforced contraception

2.ALL drugs 3. prostitutes can be liscensed and have to work in clean brothels with enforced contraception

Again how can you enforce the use of Contraceptives?

Legalize all drugs? Sorry that won't happen in amillion years.

As far as universal healthcare is concerned...sure, Canada has it...but it isn't that great, they're overall healthcare is far behind what ours is... (ours being America)
yeah ours is great unless you actually get really sick in which case your life savings will be wiped out

1: I doubt it that it will occur. If it does, it'll be long after we're adults!
Hilary Clinton was pushing for Universal Healthcare in our lifetime. I don't understand why you think it's not going to happen. It's pretty much already happening with Medicaid, HMOs, Medicare, etc. etc.

2: What drug are you refering to? I didn't see a drug named.

All drugs, do you understand what Social Darwinism is? If people want to get themselves killed, let them do it at home so they don't kill anyone else.

3: There will be an excess of STDs unless you have a plan to make sure it doesnt spread. However, unless you have police making sure that said plan is enforced, it'll cost us to much money.

If prostitution becomes legal then it wouldn't be an underground enterprise and why would it "cost us too much money." The women would be subjected to testing, the clients would be protected, the clients would likely have to be tested before having sex, and in general it would be a consenting affair. Why would there need to be police if there were standards?

5: I don't know about that. Some of them are clean and others could be dirty. However, if a Casino is found to be dirty, normally its cracked opened and the Perps caught!

What is morally wrong about gambling? It's just an odds game. It's like me walking up to a group of 20 people, each of them giving me 1 dollar, and me giving 10 dollars to a random person. What's MORALLY wrong with that other than the crap in the bible.

9: Lowering the drinking age would NOT contribute to driving accidents. If it happened then the younger kids who are driving to safe places to drink could simply do it at home with friends and would not have to worry about having to leave. Parents wouldn't feel guilty letting their kids drink and would let them drink under their supervision and take their car keys away.
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Again how can you enforce the use of Contraceptives?

Legalize all drugs? Sorry that won't happen in amillion years.
liscenced prostitutes will be health tested daily in order to renew their lisences and if they test positive for STDs they get sent to specialised brothels where they can only engage in safe fetish type sex. Also they have machines that can sexually probe people now and I would put more research into developing ways for people to climax by bringing their own fantascys to life thru virtual technology all these things can lessen STDS too--and legalized drugs will cure the high rates of addictions. They once did a study in Sweden and discovered that heroin cures heroin addiction so with legal drugs the billions saved from the savage act of jailing addicts can insted be spent (at half the cost) to treat them with the drugs theyre addicted with but in responsible doses--also they found that sticking needles in a crack addicts earlobes has been found to take their mind off their cravings too

This guy sounds like a parody of liberals.

Well I consider myself pretty liberal, but I'm also a realist. There are a lot of things in MKULTRA's list that is extremist or just totally unviable. I'll address a few here:

Universal Heath Care - A probability in the near future.

Legal Drugs - Not going to happen and I don't want it; Sure, legalise marijuana and non-harmful, non-addictive drugs, but I don't want heroin or crack cocaine being legalised. There has to be some sort of limit.

Legal prostitution - Fine. I don't have an issue with prostitution provided the prostitutes are not forced into it.

Public nudity and sex - Not something I want to see (literally - there are some nasty-looking people out there)

Legal gambling everywhere - Sure, it's people's money, they should be allowed to spend it how they want, on whatever they want, provided it's not hurting other people.

Gay marriage - No issue with that either. Marriage is a bond between two people who love each other and want to make a gesture to be 'special' to that other person - why should it matter if they're the same sex?

Polygamy - See above as to why I don't want this. It would destroy the whole point of marriage and render it pointless.

Lower voting and drinking age - Voting, probably not, but definately drinking, and also the age of consent - I'm sorry, but where I'm from (South-East England), everyone's having sex and drinking at 14/15 - the laws mean nothing now, so we might as well bring them up to date with what society is like now - protect the innocent, sure, but most 14-and-15-year-olds here aren't innocent.

Contraceptives availible in schools, yes - they're going to have sex anyway, we might as well make sure they ruin their lives doing it.

Alternatives to jail for non-violent offenders - definately. Convicts in for non-serious crimes clogs up the system, plus it stops minor criminals becoming more 'criminally skilled' whilst in prison with the real hardcases.

Cutoff of military aid to foreign nations - and let other nations get invaded by people who don't share your utopian vision? Weaker nations need supporting, or do you just want this perfect society in your country, and not for the whole world?

You seem to be promoting some anarcho-liberal state with no laws and no real need to work longer than you need to - rules need to be in force - not as many rules as we have now, and things definately need a reform, but the more extreme of your expectations are unworkable or would render the country completely unstable. Maximum freedom might be a wonderful thing if everyone gets along fine, but what about that antisocial element that wants to snort cocaine, sponge off the government (with a shorter working week, industry would produce less, in turn having less government income for them to hand back out to the people, so your scheme is unviable) then go out on weekends to kick a few people in the head? As long as that antisocial element exists, we need some kind of basic rule structure, and so 'maximum freedom' would not bring a liberated utopia, it would bring downfall.

Good for MK for posting.
As for people's reasoning for/against any of his ideas ....
A smart and flexible enough individual can probably see through the veneer of assumption that society places .... and can get away with anything they want. The difference in the dream and the reality here gets greater every day but at least people here know that we got this far because people believed and tried for the betterment of everyone, and never took themselves too far from the common populace.

As for the morality of some of these decisions, remember the difference between the ethics of something and the morality of something. Mutual consent and knowledge/understanding of an act or situation only involving the consenting parties shouldn't involve anyone else at all. Arguments of morality differ as many as the countries on the planet, for a very obvious reason. A person can't just assume that "the right thing" is an ineffable entity, most of the Greeks and a few others throughout history already covered that kind of thinking. Most of those quandries are necessitive of experience and as much subjectivity as objectivity for any true understanding.
Similar should be the populace of the U.S., even though i'm sure many will argue that it "simply isn't" that way, and that's it, nothing you can do about it.
Too bad to think so, so far along in this great experiment.

Power to the dreamers and knowers, hallelujah for ever climbing out of the hole in the first place.

I'm curious about MKULTRA's name. Is it, perhaps, a reference to one of the major reasons that he/she dislikes authority...?

My understanding from what he's posted before is that it's a reference to his belief in the conspiracy theory that the MK Ultra code breaking device devoloped in the UK during WW II is being used as a mind control device by the CIA, which did have a psycop program by the same name.

its not so much that I dont believe in any govt at all I just think it needs to be beaten into subsmisson on a daily basis

Which is why the entire population needs to own weapons (except the criminals).

No, that is not sarcasm, that is real.

Which is why the entire population needs to own weapons (except the criminals).

No, that is not sarcasm, that is real.

sarcasm/stuipidity... it is such a fine line.

Trotterstan, it is just wonderful how you feel that the universe revolves around you, and you are always right, etc etc.

STFU!

Anyways, Although the "give guns to the whole population" was a strech, but it was to get a point accross. If civilians own guns, it should keep the government in check, because they know that they could revolt at anytime, which is why our founding fathers put in the second amendment.

Personally, the whole of the population does not need a gun, just the one's that want one and have a clean record, like me.

Besides, on a side note of keeping the government in check, you can keep overpopulation in check and go hunting! Which is why I am eating this pepperjack cheese and DEER balonga (which I proudly shot myslef) on a cracker. Damn good stuff.

they werent my founding fathers and yes, it is always nice to be right.

they werent my founding fathers and yes, it is always nice to be right.
lol

Okay, point for you.

Well since you've listed what you'd like, perhaps you could enlighten us on how it would be done without compromising the original system?

The stuff you ask for = more government intervention = more taxes = less freedoms...etc..etc..etc....

universal healthcare works in Canada and Scandinvavian countries because there are less people to treat and less hospitals to fund... and I doubt that these countries have as big as debt as the US does..

universal healthcare works in Canada and Scandinvavian countries because there are less people to treat and less hospitals to fund... and I doubt that these countries have as big as debt as the US does..

But the United States gets much more income then Canada and Sweden ever will.

I'm glad somebody finally posted a topic like this. Sorry TRA, but I doubt that any of that will happen in a hundred years.

universal health care: health care and welfare already take up the lion's share of the government's income. Taxes would go through the roof for everyone.
legal drugs: Just how productive do you think our economy would be if everyone went to work stoned? The airline industry would be doomed, I'll tell you that.
legal prostitution: Hate the religious right all you want, but you can't just ignore us. This will never happen.
public nudity&sex: See above.
legal gambling everywhere: Ever see the Godfather? Ever wonder where the mob got their money? I for one don't want to see assasinations in the streets.
gay marriage and people being able to marry more then one person: activist judges might make this possible, but you can't force it on the church.
living wages: inflation
worker-owned corporations: not likely.
lowering the voting and drinking age: stoned, drunken drivers who can't see clear enough to read the ballot. Gotcha.
publicly owned media outlets: KTRA radio? Maybe.
contraceptives and birth control (including RU486) in schools and jails: these do nothing to prevent STDs.
alternative energy: This I agree with. Oil demand is expected to exceed supply by 2009.
alternatives to jail for non violent offenders: such as?
shorter work weeks and more manditory leasure time and enforced vacations: stoned drunkards with worthless money who are forced not to work? Where would our economy be? *flush*
cutoff of all military aid: Oh, and our allies would just love that. Isolationism doesn't work. WW2 proved that.
technological innovations based on increasing peoples capacity for pleasure: "I'm sorry. I was slightly high while drawing this up, but as you can see... wait... no, what was that... I'm sorry... I can't remember what this thing is supposed to do."
anything that increases people power and maximum freedom: Our economy would implode and Canada would take over. Thank you, and good night.

Public nudity and sex - Not something I want to see (literally - there are some nasty-looking people out there)true but theyre still nasty looking with there clothes on too

hey TRA, hows it hanging?

My understanding from what he's posted before is that it's a reference to his belief in the conspiracy theory that the MK Ultra code breaking device devoloped in the UK during WW II is being used as a mind control device by the CIA, which did have a psycop program by the same name.
yeah that

Which is why the entire population needs to own weapons (except the criminals).

No, that is not sarcasm, that is real.
I agree--every one should be fully armed or the govt will kill us in our beds

Well since you've listed what you'd like, perhaps you could enlighten us on how it would be done without compromising the original system?

The stuff you ask for = more government intervention = more taxes = less freedoms...etc..etc..etc....
the only big govt thing is the healthcare and we can fund that with less taxes from all the trillions saved by ending the unconstitutional war on drugs and freeing the millions of innocent political prisoners from our jails, I dont see how more freedom=less freedom

universal health care: health care and welfare already take up the lion's share of the government's income. Taxes would go through the roof for everyone.
legal drugs: Just how productive do you think our economy would be if everyone went to work stoned? The airline industry would be doomed, I'll tell you that.
legal prostitution: Hate the religious right all you want, but you can't just ignore us. This will never happen.
public nudity&sex: See above.
legal gambling everywhere: Ever see the Godfather? Ever wonder where the mob got their money? I for one don't want to see assasinations in the streets.
gay marriage and people being able to marry more then one person: activist judges might make this possible, but you can't force it on the church.
living wages: inflation
worker-owned corporations: not likely.
lowering the voting and drinking age: stoned, drunken drivers who can't see clear enough to read the ballot. Gotcha.
publicly owned media outlets: KTRA radio? Maybe.
contraceptives and birth control (including RU486) in schools and jails: these do nothing to prevent STDs.
alternative energy: This I agree with. Oil demand is expected to exceed supply by 2009.
alternatives to jail for non violent offenders: such as?
shorter work weeks and more manditory leasure time and enforced vacations: stoned drunkards with worthless money who are forced not to work? Where would our economy be? *flush*
cutoff of all military aid: Oh, and our allies would just love that. Isolationism doesn't work. WW2 proved that.
technological innovations based on increasing peoples capacity for pleasure: "I'm sorry. I was slightly high while drawing this up, but as you can see... wait... no, what was that... I'm sorry... I can't remember what this thing is supposed to do."
anything that increases people power and maximum freedom: Our economy would implode and Canada would take over. Thank you, and good night.studies have shown that universal health care costs 50% less then our current health care system based on killing people for profit-people still wont be allowed to drive/and work high/ drunk cause those laws wont change altho working stoned or drunk in non safety related jobs is a persons own privacy rights and as for things the church will accept--last time I checked the church is just a cult of pediphiles that really dont reflect the overall society and since they pay no taxes at all they really should shut up or lose their tax exempt status

hey TRA, hows it hanging?
Sup Kisa--its about half full--btw where is everyone from the forbidden forum?

dunno, FUA is fucked up again- its bullshit. I dont know when it'll be back up again, although i hope soon.

so you doing good? still fightin' the power? are you old enough to vote? I'd vote for nader.

universal health care, legal drugs,legal prostitution, public nudity&sex,legal gambling everywhere, gay marriage and people being able to marry more then one person,living wages, worker-owned corporations,lowering the voting and drinking age,many many more publicly owned media outlets,contraceptives and birth control (including RU486) in schools and jails, alternative energy and alternatives to jail for non violent offenders, shorter work weeks and more manditory leasure time and enforced vacations a cutoff of all military aid and arms deals to foreign nations, technological innovations based on increasing peoples capacity for pleasure--thats all I can think of for now but Im sure I think of more things after I post this but basically anything that increases people power and maximum freedom
Now we know what you stand for. However, I question, like others, the feasibility of these programs, and whether society actually has a want or need for some of them. BTW, for future reference, are you a male or female?

dunno, FUA is fucked up again- its bullshit. I dont know when it'll be back up again, although i hope soon.

so you doing good? still fightin' the power? are you old enough to vote? I'd vote for nader.
Nader seems like the best candidate-I hate when FUA is down. Im trying to fight the power but it always wins--im not sure what ill do if I ever win tho

Now we know what you stand for. However, I question, like others, the feasibility of these programs, and whether society actually has a want or need for some of them. BTW, for future reference, are you a male or female?
Male--if I was a female Id be one hell of a bitch LOL

I started a thread yesterday about MKULTRA's creation of numerous threads that in the poster do little more than quote directly from websites and contain little or no original input from him (activity that is not supposed to be tolerated in the forum) and it's been locked by STephistan, of course, before I had a chance to get back to it. Thanks Stephistan for officially confirming that MKULTRA is Red Arrow though btw, although I do have a recollection that MKULTRA was given a warning for his activity.

For anyone who wants to know what MKULTRA is for, it's hatred. Hatred of anyone further to the right than Ted Kennedy. Or maybe Lenin, who knows for sure.

It must have really depressed Stephistan, who is so similar politically to MKULTRA/Red Arrow, to have had to delete Red Arrow. Red Arrow had so many more warnings before deletion than a right winger would ever have had (IMO).

Just to say: MKULTRA, you can copy and paste at will. You can be a left-wing nut but if you start the right type of threads that accord with the preponderant liberal bias of the mods then you can probably get away with breaking the NS "rules", such as they are.

I almost forgot to ask: Stephistan, how's the PhD going? Are you finding it very challenging? Is it a struggle? ;)

My understanding from what he's posted before is that it's a reference to his belief in the conspiracy theory that the MK Ultra code breaking device devoloped in the UK during WW II is being used as a mind control device by the CIA, which did have a psycop program by the same name.
yeah that

And that, freinds, explains why MKULTRA wears a tin foil hat liner....

My understanding from what he's posted before is that it's a reference to his belief in the conspiracy theory that the MK Ultra code breaking device devoloped in the UK during WW II is being used as a mind control device by the CIA, which did have a psycop program by the same name.

It's true! Haven't you seen the trailers for The Manchurian Candidate?

I'm curious about MKULTRA's name. Is it, perhaps, a reference to one of the major reasons that he/she dislikes authority...?

Actually there was an indie pop band named MK Ultra....maybe that has something to do with it...I went to one of their concerts, and it...was...AWESOME! Total bummer that they broke up

universal health care, legal drugs,legal prostitution, public nudity&sex,legal gambling everywhere, gay marriage and people being able to marry more then one person,living wages, worker-owned corporations,lowering the voting and drinking age,many many more publicly owned media outlets,contraceptives and birth control (including RU486) in schools and jails, alternative energy and alternatives to jail for non violent offenders, shorter work weeks and more manditory leasure time and enforced vacations a cutoff of all military aid and arms deals to foreign nations, technological innovations based on increasing peoples capacity for pleasure--thats all I can think of for now but Im sure I think of more things after I post this but basically anything that increases people power and maximum freedom

So, a country full of lazy, pregnant, infected, stoned, criminals with lots of worthless cash, not to mention we'd probably be fatter due to food from the government on demand combined with pot munchies. Such a great vision for America. I'd rather live in Red China.

Let me remind you of a few things:
Universal healthcare would be like gov't owned HMO, and politicians would always look for ways to skim off the top. Would you feel comfortable getting open heart surgury from the lowest bidder?
Legal Drugs - Ok, tobacco and, to a certain extent, alcohol have momentum on their side and will be around for a while, but that's no excuse to legalize other harmful drugs. THC has the same effect on driving that alcohol does and potheads all have no short term memory. Cocaine can cause people to fly into homicidal rages from a super high level of endorphines. Heroine can kill in one dose, even if the dose was properly processed and administered. It's also one of the most addictive substances on the planet. LSD and "shrooms" both cause powerful hallucinations that can lead to psychosis or even death from believing the hallucinations (such as trying to fly). Drugs are freaking dangerous.
Legal Prostitution - No STD prevention is perfect, and legal prostitutes would spread the stuff like wildfire, not to mention the fact that you'd have to get past the majority of the voting public that finds prostitution a vile career that goes directly against the moral fiber of this country.
Public Nudity and Sex - Yeah, which leads to more rape and STD's, not to mention having to fight everyone who's ever been to a church service the whole way. Yep, good plan.
Legal Gambling Everywhere - I know from second hand knowledge (from my Grandma, who has firsthand knowledge) that gambling leads to organized crime, usually in the form of loan sharks. The crime rate in Hot Springs, AR dropped drastically after Gov. Rockafeller had the casinos shut down.
Gay Marriage and Polygamy - Studies have shown that such households produce far less successful children and are disruptful and harmful to society, not to mention the whole religious right thing again.
Worker Owned Corporations - This exists in the form of stocks, although the ones that start the company are fairly entitled to keep as much of the stock as they want.
Lowering the voting and drinking age - Underage drinking already causes more teenage fatalities in my area (Atlanta) than most other sources, and I don't want uneducated high school students picking the president. Heck, it's not like it'd do much good, since the 18-21 demographic has the lowest turnout. The only reason I agree with 18 year olds getting the vote is that soldiers should be able to vote for who's sending them to war.
Many more publicly owned media outlets - Like all industries, private citizens are the ones with the resources to run such endeavors. The government cannot afford to start up its own media service, not to mention that such services would always be scrutinized for cover-ups.
Contraceptives in schools and jail - Uh, we've already got these, and the teen pregnancy rate is high, anway. What we need is to teach people that although such "safe sex" is available, it's possible to live without sex, and that's the safest solution of all.
Alternative Energy - Scientists are already working on it, but it's hard to get funding, since there's more money in less efficient energy sources.
Alternatives to Jail for non-violent offenders - Like what? Jail is both reform and punishment. In order to get true reform, there has to be a punishment, and, in my opinion, jails are too cushy.
Shorter work weeks - This not only interferes with the free enterprise market system, one of our most sacred rights, but it would also lower productivity, sending the economy in a downward spiral.
Enforced vacations - People who refuse to take vacations aren't going to get any good from them if you force them to take one. They'll just be more stressed that no work is getting done.
Cutoff of military aid and arms deals - If we did that, we'd be opening the door to let military dictatorships form into empires again. Do you really want another Atilla the Hun. We tried isolationism and non-interference and it got us sucked into two world wars.
technological innovations based on increasing peoples capacity for pleasure - What, like a chip in the brain that gives an orgasm on demand. Pleasure should not be the center of your life. If it is, you'll end up lazy.

My guess is that MKULTRA is a high school student who has bought into all the ultra lib propoganda. After he realizes that robbing from the rich and giving to the poor is unfair and downright criminal in most circumstances, he'll come around. He'll probably come around on the sex issues if he ever has kids and realizes that he doesn't want them to have sex with strangers.

Actually there was an indie pop band named MK Ultra....maybe that has something to do with it...I went to one of their concerts, and it...was...AWESOME! Total bummer that they broke up

Well, as seen above, we have his word for it that it's the crackpot tin-foil hat crowd conspiracy theory.

So, a country full of lazy, pregnant, infected, stoned, criminals with lots of worthless cash, not to mention we'd probably be fatter due to food from the government on demand combined with pot munchies. Such a great vision for America. I'd rather live in Red China.

Let me remind you of a few things:
Universal healthcare would be like gov't owned HMO, and politicians would always look for ways to skim off the top. Would you feel comfortable getting open heart surgury from the lowest bidder?
Legal Drugs - Ok, tobacco and, to a certain extent, alcohol have momentum on their side and will be around for a while, but that's no excuse to legalize other harmful drugs. THC has the same effect on driving that alcohol does and potheads all have no short term memory. Cocaine can cause people to fly into homicidal rages from a super high level of endorphines. Heroine can kill in one dose, even if the dose was properly processed and administered. It's also one of the most addictive substances on the planet. LSD and "shrooms" both cause powerful hallucinations that can lead to psychosis or even death from believing the hallucinations (such as trying to fly). Drugs are freaking dangerous.
Legal Prostitution - No STD prevention is perfect, and legal prostitutes would spread the stuff like wildfire, not to mention the fact that you'd have to get past the majority of the voting public that finds prostitution a vile career that goes directly against the moral fiber of this country.
Public Nudity and Sex - Yeah, which leads to more rape and STD's, not to mention having to fight everyone who's ever been to a church service the whole way. Yep, good plan.
Legal Gambling Everywhere - I know from second hand knowledge (from my Grandma, who has firsthand knowledge) that gambling leads to organized crime, usually in the form of loan sharks. The crime rate in Hot Springs, AR dropped drastically after Gov. Rockafeller had the casinos shut down.
Gay Marriage and Polygamy - Studies have shown that such households produce far less successful children and are disruptful and harmful to society, not to mention the whole religious right thing again.
Worker Owned Corporations - This exists in the form of stocks, although the ones that start the company are fairly entitled to keep as much of the stock as they want.
Lowering the voting and drinking age - Underage drinking already causes more teenage fatalities in my area (Atlanta) than most other sources, and I don't want uneducated high school students picking the president. Heck, it's not like it'd do much good, since the 18-21 demographic has the lowest turnout. The only reason I agree with 18 year olds getting the vote is that soldiers should be able to vote for who's sending them to war.
Many more publicly owned media outlets - Like all industries, private citizens are the ones with the resources to run such endeavors. The government cannot afford to start up its own media service, not to mention that such services would always be scrutinized for cover-ups.
Contraceptives in schools and jail - Uh, we've already got these, and the teen pregnancy rate is high, anway. What we need is to teach people that although such "safe sex" is available, it's possible to live without sex, and that's the safest solution of all.
Alternative Energy - Scientists are already working on it, but it's hard to get funding, since there's more money in less efficient energy sources.
Alternatives to Jail for non-violent offenders - Like what? Jail is both reform and punishment. In order to get true reform, there has to be a punishment, and, in my opinion, jails are too cushy.
Shorter work weeks - This not only interferes with the free enterprise market system, one of our most sacred rights, but it would also lower productivity, sending the economy in a downward spiral.
Enforced vacations - People who refuse to take vacations aren't going to get any good from them if you force them to take one. They'll just be more stressed that no work is getting done.
Cutoff of military aid and arms deals - If we did that, we'd be opening the door to let military dictatorships form into empires again. Do you really want another Atilla the Hun. We tried isolationism and non-interference and it got us sucked into two world wars.
technological innovations based on increasing peoples capacity for pleasure - What, like a chip in the brain that gives an orgasm on demand. Pleasure should not be the center of your life. If it is, you'll end up lazy.

My guess is that MKULTRA is a high school student who has bought into all the ultra lib propoganda. After he realizes that robbing from the rich and giving to the poor is unfair and downright criminal in most circumstances, he'll come around. He'll probably come around on the sex issues if he ever has kids and realizes that he doesn't want them to have sex with strangers.Yay! The right wing has triumphed once again!
Congratulations on thoroughly destroying MK's arguement!

Male--if I was a female Id be one hell of a bitch LOLWait a second... when you were TRA you said you were female.

Well, as seen above, we have his word for it that it's the crackpot tin-foil hat crowd conspiracy theory.whatever the establishment labels as "conspiracy" is always closer to the truth then the evening news

Wait a second... when you were TRA you said you were female.
no I didnt--musta been a clone

no I didnt--musta been a cloneeither that or I'm thinking of the wrong nation. Sorry.