NationStates Jolt Archive

I'm so bored of waiting for ARMEGGEDON to start, i mean when is it going to happen? When is God gonna do something to get back at big ol' Mr S.

I wish it would start soon like i said i'm so bored of waiting. I'm ready for it now. I'm sitting here in my chain mail and i've got my sword next to my lap top ready to slay some demons.

I'm quite interrested in what side people will choose when ARMEGGEDON starts. please everyone say what side they would be on when ARMEGGEDON begins

people...for melinnia have predicted armageddon.....but it has never come true......maybe it will NEVER come....have you considered that?

December 22nd, 2012

December 22nd, 2012

may I ask where you got that date?

Right now.

......AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

It's very difficult to accurately predict when God is gonna end this world and start the new one. The events directly preceding The End that are described in the Bible might have started already (formation of the state of Israel being an oft-quoted one), but, as already mentioned, it's been got wrong many times before, so it might still be a long time off, or it might be just a few years now.
Either way, Jesus is my boss.

may I ask where you got that date?
End of the Mayan calander.. They know things.

the new testament is meant to be taken personally

you will have your own armageddon some day

i'd stop looking out the window for 4 scary guys on horses if i were you.

End of the Mayan calander.. They know things.

or maybe they were too lazy to add more to the calendar..... :eek:

When God says so. It could be in one second, 1 year, 100 years, or billions of years. When God says its time, its time. Besides, it'll come when we least expect it.

or maybe they were too lazy to add more to the calendar..... :eek:
No, they know things.

When God says so. It could be in one second, 1 year, 100 years, or billions of years. When God says its time, its time. Besides, it'll come when we least expect it.

Since we expect it to bee now....we are safe for the moment :D

Most likely. of course now your saying it won't come now which means its not expected by you.

Most likely. of course now your saying it won't come now which means its not expected by you.

but what if..............................................it IS happening in a parallel universe?

The course of a mans life is, as a rule, such that, having been duped by hope, he dances into the arms of death.

If you're a protestant, then the Bible is up to free interpretation to you. Interpret when and how Apocalypse is going to happen on your own, or what that even means.

And if you're catholic, you might as well start getting ready right now.

It will start if Bush gets 4 more years in the White House..

:sniper:

hehehehehehehe.....BOOM
http://members.aol.com/panzersgt2/gallery/misc/nuke.jpg

It will start if Bush gets 4 more years in the White House..

:sniper:
*Agrees*

i'd stop looking out the window for 4 scary guys on horses if i were you.


how can i not stop looking out the window for them. I bet there right sexy especially War and Plauge

i'd stop looking out the window for 4 scary guys on horses if i were you.


how can i not stop looking out the window for them. I bet there right sexy especially War and Plauge
Real hotties.

Mayan Calendar- People predicted the end in:
1000
2000

and now we're getting ready for another apocalypse because the Mayan Calendar is rolling over on 12/22/2012? Jeez, why doesn't the apocalypse happen every time my odometer rolls over?

Mayan Calendar- People predicted the end in:
1000
2000

and now we're getting ready for another apocalypse because the Mayan Calendar is rolling over on 12/22/2012? Jeez, why doesn't the apocalypse happen every time my odometer rolls over?

Won't you feel like a total ass if the world does end then?

one line:

It ain't over until the fat lady sings. (which is basiclly never :p )

Mayan Calendar- People predicted the end in:
1000
2000

and now we're getting ready for another apocalypse because the Mayan Calendar is rolling over on 12/22/2012? Jeez, why doesn't the apocalypse happen every time my odometer rolls over?
They know things.

but what if..............................................it IS happening in a parallel universe? Ah but that is a different universe you are talking about. Heck it could be happening in an infinite number of universes but each on is different in at least one way due to probablity. But we are talking about this universe, not a parallel universe.

If you'd like to learn more about parallel universes I will be making a post about them.

but seriously every1 don't you want to get this stupid war over with?

but seriously every1 don't you want to get this stupid war over with?

What war...the one on terror? or am i missing something

I think he's talking about the final war between the followers of God and the forces of Satan.

God will win of course but we can't order the world to end, that's God's decision.

well yeah the war on terroism and Armeggedon

well yeah the war on terroism and Armeggedon

Wait, there's a war on armaggedon now?

I remember seeing a magazine that said the US had nuclear missiles ready to shoot at Jesus.

well yeah the war on terroism and Armeggedon

Another war...just what we need :mp5: :rolleyes: ....... unless it is justified

God will win of course



how do you know that holy paradise i mean satan is meant to be just as powerful as God so to make a statement like tahtis rather foolish

God will win of course

Is there even a god, though?

God will win of course



how do you know that holy paradise i mean satan is meant to be just as powerful as God so to make a statement like tahtis rather foolish

Ummm, what if satan wins?

And if he's as powerful as god, how come he let god cast him out of heaven so easily?

Ummm, what if satan wins?

And if he's as powerful as god, how come he let god cast him out of heaven so easily?

What if they don't exist, though....you people have not considerd that possibility

It's very difficult to accurately predict when God is gonna end this world and start the new one. The events directly preceding The End that are described in the Bible might have started already (formation of the state of Israel being an oft-quoted one), but, as already mentioned, it's been got wrong many times before, so it might still be a long time off, or it might be just a few years now.
Either way, Jesus is my boss.

Actually the "budding of the fig tree" does not refer to the formation of modern Israel, but to her possession of all of her anscestoral lands given to the children of the Patriarchs. So if Israel HAD declared annexation over all of the occupied territories, the last generation would have been in 1967.

- Dru

God will win of course



how do you know that holy paradise i mean satan is meant to be just as powerful as God so to make a statement like tahtis rather foolish

Satan is NOT meant to be just as powerful as God, not in Christianity anyway; you're thinking of something like Zoroastrianism. God created Satan, and permits him to have power for now; Armageddon is when God revokes this permission, so God wins, along with everyone on His side.

yeah God WAS more powerful then satan but when he was cast down he became something more powerful

But when God casted Satan down he left him on his own with NO power over him

Actually the "budding of the fig tree" does not refer to the formation of modern Israel, but to her possession of all of her anscestoral lands given to the children of the Patriarchs. So if Israel HAD declared annexation over all of the occupied territories, the last generation would have been in 1967.

- Dru

You're rather making my point. I'm not saying I believe we're in the end times because of the state of Israel; I don't know when the world is going to end, I just trust God to sort everything out and try to do what He tells me to. There are loads of Christians who get very caught up in the study of the end times passages in the Bible; I've been out to Jerusalem recently and met loads of them there. I tend to be sceptical of any particular time-frame, but I'm convinced on the general idea of the end of the world.

What if they don't exist, though....you people have not considerd that possibility

Nice try Desra, but you're not going to suck this thread into that old chestnut of a discussion. For the purposes of this thread, I request that everyone accepts the existence of God and Satan as givens, if only for the sake of an interesting discussion.

But when God casted Satan down he left him on his own with NO power over him

Where are you getting this stuff from?

Nice try Desra, but you're not going to suck this thread into that old chestnut of a discussion. For the purposes of this thread, I request that everyone accepts the existence of God and Satan as givens, if only for the sake of an interesting discussion.

AAAAAWWWWWWWW c'mon...........ok.....i'll play along :gundge:

My belief is, if existant, a truely benevolent God will use Armageddon to banish Satan, which IMHO he should have done before he even made him, and leave us alone- Judgment Day is a cruel concept and I can't say I want to believe in it.

The world will end in 2006 at least thats what this programm on something called the Bible code..
http://www.csicop.org/si/9711/bible-code.html

the world will end in 3......2.....1...................................................................................... ..........................................................................

Armageddon It!

The world will end in 2006 at least thats what this programm on something called the Bible code..
http://www.csicop.org/si/9711/bible-code.html

You can find bible codes in any book sufficiently long by probability- War and Peace and Moby Dick also have messages about assasinations and the end of the world in them. So does Harry Potter 5, I would assume, by its length,

i know that what the site says

Mayan Calendar- People predicted the end in:
1000
2000

and now we're getting ready for another apocalypse because the Mayan Calendar is rolling over on 12/22/2012? Jeez, why doesn't the apocalypse happen every time my odometer rolls over?

THAT'S why i got a car that doesnt roll over until it hits 1million miles. i have 188,000 on it now and its taken almost 10 years..... so im good for a LONG time

how about armageddon beginz after we are done posting

I just wish for a nice selective Armageddon, beginning with the scumbags fighting across the street from me.
Preferably ASAP.

I'm ready for some Armeggedon RIGHT NOW! It's about time for some Godly justice around here. The only thing that bothers me is those "Left Behind" books. Now everyone assumes Christians get raptured and don't have to go through the pain. But, if I'm not mistaken, the rapture does not come first in the Bible. Maybe that's why so few people are saved?

Wait, there's a war on armaggedon now?

I remember seeing a magazine that said the US had nuclear missiles ready to shoot at Jesus.
they had WMD's? O_O

they had WMD's? O_O

They better if they want to take out Jesus.

I dunno when, but this site has a few ideas how:

Exit Mundi (http://www.xs4all.nl/~mke/exitmundi.htm)

A lot of them look pretty farfetched. I personally like the idea that we might survive for trillions of years only to end up that we become slowly dumber and dumber until we must constantly sleep just to survive.

I dunno when, but this site has a few ideas how:

Exit Mundi (http://www.xs4all.nl/~mke/exitmundi.htm)

A lot of them look pretty farfetched. I personally like the idea that we might survive for trillions of years only to end up that we become slowly dumber and dumber until we must constantly sleep just to survive.
I remember that one...didn't it also say for us to become cyborgs in order to stay alive in the cold?

I'm ready for some Armeggedon RIGHT NOW! It's about time for some Godly justice around here. The only thing that bothers me is those "Left Behind" books. Now everyone assumes Christians get raptured and don't have to go through the pain. But, if I'm not mistaken, the rapture does not come first in the Bible. Maybe that's why so few people are saved?

The "Left Behind" books bother me as well, particularly when people confuse them with the Bible (well, they seem to give 'em equal weight). Christians disagree hugely about the nature and the timing of the Rapture, or even whether it'll happen at all. The "Left Behind" series are based on ONE interpretation (I think it's pre-millenial dispensationalism, but don't quote me on that!) that's quite popular in the U.S.

Several people have mentioned that armagedon will be a war of Heaven vs Hell.
Well a friend of mine pointed something out a while ago.
By christianity standards, technicly any who do not follow christianity, or similar religions, are devil worshipers.
And seeing as more than two thirds of the people on earth fall in that category, God is outnumbered in the coming war.
...
...
CHEERS :)

What if this "God" we are lead to believe is good is actually Satan doing his job at decieving us? And what if this "Satan" we are led to believe is evil is the real "God", the good one?

I'm so bored of waiting for ARMEGGEDON to start, i mean when is it going to happen? When is God gonna do something to get back at big ol' Mr S.

I wish it would start soon like i said i'm so bored of waiting. I'm ready for it now. I'm sitting here in my chain mail and i've got my sword next to my lap top ready to slay some demons.

I'm quite interrested in what side people will choose when ARMEGGEDON starts. please everyone say what side they would be on when ARMEGGEDON begins


I checked, and according to TV Guide Armageddon starts Wednesday, July 28th at 12:30 right after a Married with Children rerun.

If you miss it then, you can catch it again the next day at 12:30.


I, of course, pulled for the side of the asteroid, if only to know that in a millenia or two the next evolved race on the planet would find a DVD collection of other lame-assed Hollywood blockbusters, figure out how to extract the data, and come to the conclusion that these were historically accurate renditions of how our lives went..... and assume that we were all idiots.

;)

So, we're all doomed then?
Fair enough.

There are quite a few bibical scholars who have put forward quite logical theories about how the bible, especially genesis is nothing more than jewish history and coded propoganda of a oppressed people against their opressors the roman empire. The antichrist is nothing more than a roman emperor, caeser or nero, and then end of the world they speak about is really the fall of the roman empire which in turn sent the world into a dark age.


I seen it on the history channel and did some research of my own... if you want I could probably find some resources or you could just do a search for it, shouldnt be too hard to find.


In fact they believe that the "mark of the beast" may not be 666 at all however 616 instead which could very well be code for Emperor nero.


As far as a literal interpetation... I think its quite a bit far fetched. Sounds to me as nothing more than one big political propoganda smeer campaign against his biggest and most dangerous rival... satan. I mean why else would this god be so insecure? why would he demand our worship? why would he care if we had any other gods? seems very vain to me.

Also another thing...


Isnt it logical to think according to the new testament that this jesus fellow was a "demon" or a "false prophet" by satan to trick the jews and the rest of the world away from the god of judaism?

Not that I believe that however if you truly believe in the bible... especially the old testament... one has to wonder.

Meh.

Every time someone tries to preict the end of the world, God pushes it back a little, just to be funny.

An interesting question, based on a flawed understanding of the text. As someone already stated, the most likely biblical parallel for 'Armageddon' would have been the fall of the Roman empire, and read in that light, it not only makes sense, but has already happened (and HAD already happened by the time the New Testament books were completed - so no great prophetic ability, really).

The big flaw in reasoning is accepting happily the horrible butcher-job that the new testament scholars did on the old testament texts. Armageddon is the site of a battle (har Megiddo - the plains of Megiddo, I believe) where battles often took place. It would certainly not be a large enough venue for the drug-induced vision of the end of the world as cited in the new testament.

The second big flaw is in the identity of Satan, or HaSatan (the Adversary), as he is given in old testament texts. HaSatan was the rank of an angel in hebrew belief, who was appointed as adversary to man - not god. Examine the story of Job, where HaSatan asks permission for his actions, from God.

Every religion has it's creation myth and it's end of the world myth, and they all have about the same amount of actual evidence to support them - that is, none.

The sad truth is, we don't need 'God' and 'Satan' fighting to destroy the world. We're doing a pretty good job on our own.

Beware, "Armaggedon" specifically refers to the final battle of the modern world. Many people think that will happen in the Plain of Jezreel near Megido, northern Israel. We'll never know when it comes until we get there. Come on, a huge battle between all the armed forces in the world. You'll know, trust me. ;)

armageddon will happen tuesday next week.

"Beware, "Armaggedon" specifically refers to the final battle of the modern world. Many people think that will happen in the Plain of Jezreel near Megido, northern Israel. We'll never know when it comes until we get there. Come on, a huge battle between all the armed forces in the world. You'll know, trust me. "

Please, give me some evidence that it refers to a modern battle. I'm gonna love seeing you try to prove this one.

The town of Armaggeddon in Isreal, just a bit south of Syria, is home to Isreal's equivilent to the Strategic Air Command. Megeddo is home to -- that's right -- an Isreali nuclear weapons site.

It angers me how nations such as america baby israel so much for no other reason than religion. Christian world leaders think its their duty to pamper to israel, also the jews milk the whole holocaust thing dry. It is really quite pathetic. I'm not anti semetic... but israel truly does piss me off. I'm tired of my tax dollars going to them.


If it wasnt for america... israel would cease to exist. That is the only reason they have won the wars they had faught in the middle east... their opposition were not fighting israel... no.. they were fighting america. Without america israel would be crushed instantly.

It angers me how nations such as america baby israel so much for no other reason than religion. Christian world leaders think its their duty to pamper to israel, also the jews milk the whole holocaust thing dry. It is really quite pathetic. I'm not anti semetic... but israel truly does piss me off. I'm tired of my tax dollars going to them.


If it wasnt for america... israel would cease to exist. That is the only reason they have won the wars they had faught in the middle east... their opposition were not fighting israel... no.. they were fighting america. Without america israel would be crushed instantly.
that may be true 30 years ago. i'm not so sure about that now. israel seems to be able to manage a lot of things without the States' help...

"Beware, "Armaggedon" specifically refers to the final battle of the modern world. Many people think that will happen in the Plain of Jezreel near Megido, northern Israel. We'll never know when it comes until we get there. Come on, a huge battle between all the armed forces in the world. You'll know, trust me. "

Please, give me some evidence that it refers to a modern battle. I'm gonna love seeing you try to prove this one.

Because after Armaggeddon the world will end. The world hasn't ended yet, so Armaggedon hasn't happened yet, so it must be a modern war. "Modern" means "contemporary", so it may not be "modern" to us, but "modern" to the future people.

Read Revelation 16 about Armageddon.

that may be true 30 years ago. i'm not so sure about that now. israel seems to be able to manage a lot of things without the States' help...

If that is true, why did America's wartime budget allocate millions of dollars to Israel? They aren't even involved in this war.

If that is true, why did America's wartime budget allocate millions of dollars to Israel? They aren't even involved in this war.
dunno...maybe it's a way to launder dirty money. ;)

Because after Armaggeddon the world will end. The world hasn't ended yet, so Armaggedon hasn't happened yet, so it must be a modern war. "Modern" means "contemporary", so it may not be "modern" to us, but "modern" to the future people.

Read Revelation 16 about Armageddon.

What about it? I don't remember it saying the world will end... where does it say the world ends?

when lucifer rebeled against becuese he thuoght he was better thangod and manged to get MOST of the angels on his side and they rushed hevean bu god when he relised tossed down the fallen angls into hell and bound them on adamantine chains in the rivers of hell and lucifer let them go

The end is nigh....

The end is nigh....

And people have been saying that for thousands of years.

I doubt we need to start taking out Tribulation insurance quite yet...

when lucifer rebeled against becuese he thuoght he was better thangod and manged to get MOST of the angels on his side and they rushed hevean bu god when he relised tossed down the fallen angls into hell and bound them on adamantine chains in the rivers of hell and lucifer let them go

But didn't Satan also have to triumph over ten countries or something like that?

Don't mind me. I get most of my Bible prophecy from The Omega Code.

But if you want to be pedantic, it's Armageddon. If you REALLY want pedantry, it's Har Megiddon.

What about it? I don't remember it saying the world will end... where does it say the world ends?

The end of the world is in Revelation 20:11, followed by the final judgement (Rev. 20:12-15), and the creation of the new heaven and the new earth (Rev. 21:1).

*sniff* no one cares that (Ar)Megeddo(n) is an Isreali nuclear weapoons facility?

I inted to play both sides against the middle when the time comes, then the earth should finally be all mine.
I also believe Dec. 22nd 2012 is the date the sh!t hits the fan

*sniff* no one cares that (Ar)Megeddo(n) is an Isreali nuclear weapoons facility?
That is insanly weird, but I never knew that the Isralis had nukes. Not good. It's like giving a monkey a chain gun.

Anways, the end will come between Febuary 3rd and 21st, 2013. An asteroid the size of Texas has a 93% chance of hitting us. I know, 93 isn't 100, but it is damn close. Everyday I pray for God to protect us from everything, and to protect us from those who control modern doom (**coughGeorgeBushcough**). Maybe I'm just paranoid.

I inted to play both sides against the middle when the time comes, then the earth should finally be all mine.
I also believe Dec. 22nd 2012 is the date the sh!t hits the fan

Holy heck! It's gonna be just like the last time the long count ended! Look at the evidence for all the doom that happened that time:

ca 7300 BC: Kennewick man is alive and happy
3114 BC: End of last cycle of Mayan long count
1996 AD: Kennewick man found....DEEEEEEAD!!!!!!

I think it's obvious that Kennewick man was killed by some kind of unimaginable Mayan apocalypse. And come 2012 AD, WE'RE NEXT!

What about it? I don't remember it saying the world will end... where does it say the world ends?


READ ON!!!

READ ON!!!

You said read revelation 16... and i don't remember it saying anything about the world ending... and i seem to remember that revelation 17 is a metaphor about a beast, and revelation 18 is a metaphor about babylon... revelation 19 was about white horses and false prophets, and revelation 20 is about the 1000 years reign of christ and then the release of 'satan', then the seas gave up their dead.... still no end of the world...

Ah - revelation 21... not bad, you only missed by 5 chapters, 1000 years or more, and the reigns of two deitic beings.

Oh, and even then, it just says it passed away.... doesn't say it ended...

You said read revelation 16... and i don't remember it saying anything about the world ending... and i seem to remember that revelation 17 is a metaphor about a beast, and revelation 18 is a metaphor about babylon... revelation 19 was about white horses and false prophets, and revelation 20 is about the 1000 years reign of christ and then the release of 'satan', then the seas gave up their dead.... still no end of the world...

Ah - revelation 21... not bad, you only missed by 5 chapters, 1000 years or more, and the reigns of two deitic beings.

Oh, and even then, it just says it passed away.... doesn't say it ended...

a lot of people think the world is ending just because they lose their job, or they lose a limb in an accident, or they lose their home in a disaster, or they lose their spouse in a fire, or simply because his mother won't let him watch too much television. when all the events before the Second Coming comes, the world might as well be imploded. it doesn't matter whether the earth still maintains its physical state, the "world", your and mine, and our ways of life is over. no more.

Correct. "End of the World" is probably not reffering to a literal Ending of the world. Just as three large beasts will not actually pop out of nowhere and force everyone to worship them.

a lot of people think the world is ending just because they lose their job, or they lose a limb in an accident, or they lose their home in a disaster, or they lose their spouse in a fire, or simply because his mother won't let him watch too much television. when all the events before the Second Coming comes, the world might as well be imploded. it doesn't matter whether the earth still maintains its physical state, the "world", your and mine, and our ways of life is over. no more.

Which is all fine, if you are willing to believe a story written two thousand years ago, that has no actual evidence, and that is filled with metaphor.

Ignoring for a fact that the narrative flow of the piece strongly suggests that the writer was under the influence of something closer to chemical than cherubic. Go on, reread the first few books of revelations, and compare it to "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas", in terms of flow.

I'm not going to stay up nights worrying about the end of the world, based on the book of revelations. There is just as much evidence for the Norse "Ragnarok", and that isn't losing me any sleep either.

What is it about religion that they are all so desperate to destroy the world?

"End of the World" should actually be reffered to as "End of the Age." The new society, after this one, will be 1,000 yrs long (or whatever that stands for), where evil is not actually eliminated, but it is about there. Then, the final age comes, the age of God.

Also, religion is not bent on Destroying the world, it is about the final elimination of evil.

Which is all fine, if you are willing to believe a story written two thousand years ago, that has no actual evidence, and that is filled with metaphor.

Ignoring for a fact that the narrative flow of the piece strongly suggests that the writer was under the influence of something closer to chemical than cherubic. Go on, reread the first few books of revelations, and compare it to "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas", in terms of flow.

I'm not going to stay up nights worrying about the end of the world, based on the book of revelations. There is just as much evidence for the Norse "Ragnarok", and that isn't losing me any sleep either.

What is it about religion that they are all so desperate to destroy the world?
Course i believe. some prophecy written in the Bible have already come true. i DO worry about the end of the world, mainly that large numbers of people that i love and care about are not Christian yet.

religion is being realistic. what makes you think that this world will last? global warming? nuclear warheads? terrorists armed with anthrax?

Course i believe. some prophecy written in the Bible have already come true. i DO worry about the end of the world, mainly that large numbers of people that i love and care about are not Christian yet.

religion is being realistic. what makes you think that this world will last? global warming? nuclear warheads? terrorists armed with anthrax?

Which prophecies do you actually believe have come true, I wonder? Since most of Revelations can be taken as metaphor for the fall of Rome, which has already happened, and had already happened by the time Revelations was codified, I'm not really to impressed by that...

And, since the only prophets that had their texts included in the canonised bible were the ones that agreed with the later texts, it's not too hard to believe some of those prophecies might have 'come true' - if they didn't agree they would have been left out.

And, there is no point arguing that books wouldn't have been left out, either... The Book of Enoch is actually quoted by Jesus dozens of times in the New Testament, was definitely extant at that period, is directly referenced in the language of the apostles, and yet somehow avoided canonisation.

Most of the other bible prophecy has been twisted by christians to fulfil their vision of Jesus as Christ. Looking at Old Testament prophecy about the reign of messiah, with fire and sword, etc just does not measure up to the life of Jesus. And Old Testament references about the fact that anyone who dies by hanging being cursed actually preclude Jesus from being Messiah - but it doesn't fit the picture christians want, so they ignore it.

The prophecy of the formation of a state nominally called 'Israel', is the reason I say religion is trying to hurry the end of the world - the western powers at the end of WW2 deliberately created an artifact state that fulfils one of the requirements of the revelation armageddon. Looking at it scientifically, of course, this is the wrong 'Israel', but that doesn't seem to matter to the left-behind worshippers.

Also, when I said that religion can't wait for the end of the world - look at other religions, not just christianity... they all have their apocalypse moment, and they all expect to be the only ones saved.... christians were screaming "end of the world" in 666, they were screaming "end of the world" at the end of the first millenium, they were screaming "end of the world" in 1666, and they were screaming "end of the world" in 1999. They haven't been right yet (as far as I can tell, you'd think we'd notice, right?) but they still keep on with their "end is nigh" and "if Jesus tarries" agenda anyway.

And no, global warming, nuclear arsenals, and anthrax terror do not make me feel safe. But these are real tangible threats, worthy of fear. What we DON'T need is hysterical spiritual ambulance-chasing and soothsaying to add to the dangers we already face.

Look at the Crusades, the Inquisition, the persecution of early Christianity at the hands of Rome, and the Catholics at the hands of Christians. Religion has caused more death than any other single contributor. The death count attributable to the Bible has Hitler hiding his face in embarresment.

When the world ends a new one will emerge.

Don't believe me? It ends every moment and begins anew every moment as well.

There once was a mathamatician Hardy. Deeply afraid of sea travel so when he had to travel by ship he mailed a letter to his friend saying, "I have proven the Riemmen Hypothesis." He hadnt, but god wouldnt let him die and make people think for eternity that he had. 2 weeks later he mailed the letter saying just kidding.

Maybe god wont want to start Armegdedon for some reason.

hm kinda reminds me of how a few nights ago.. i had a dream.

it was the apocalypse and noone was really concerned. the sky was turning black but it was like i was the only one who noticed. i thought to myself "hm. so i am going to hell.."
then there was something about it being christmas and i was putting all these presents by these kids' beds in a hospital. i went down to a gym and there were chairs set up and a christmas mass was about to start.
and i overheard someone talking about how they were going to ban coke because it was a refrence to cocaine.
i just walked along the aisle looking at all the people in the seats, some were praying. and i remember i didnt want to sit down.



well. i think the important part is the apocalypse thing...

Im athiest. I dont believe there will be an apocalypse, rapture, sencond coming, first coming, new age, or whatever kind of crap you say it is will come. ever.

"ooh, but when it does, you'll be sorry!"
psh. even if it does and you christians turn out right, i go to hell. ho hum. whats your definition of "hell"?
eternal separation from god?
looks like ill be an athiest for all eternity, eh?

Which prophecies do you actually believe have come true, I wonder? Since most of Revelations can be taken as metaphor for the fall of Rome, which has already happened, and had already happened by the time Revelations was codified, I'm not really to impressed by that...

And, since the only prophets that had their texts included in the canonised bible were the ones that agreed with the later texts, it's not too hard to believe some of those prophecies might have 'come true' - if they didn't agree they would have been left out.

And, there is no point arguing that books wouldn't have been left out, either... The Book of Enoch is actually quoted by Jesus dozens of times in the New Testament, was definitely extant at that period, is directly referenced in the language of the apostles, and yet somehow avoided canonisation.

Most of the other bible prophecy has been twisted by christians to fulfil their vision of Jesus as Christ. Looking at Old Testament prophecy about the reign of messiah, with fire and sword, etc just does not measure up to the life of Jesus. And Old Testament references about the fact that anyone who dies by hanging being cursed actually preclude Jesus from being Messiah - but it doesn't fit the picture christians want, so they ignore it.

The prophecy of the formation of a state nominally called 'Israel', is the reason I say religion is trying to hurry the end of the world - the western powers at the end of WW2 deliberately created an artifact state that fulfils one of the requirements of the revelation armageddon. Looking at it scientifically, of course, this is the wrong 'Israel', but that doesn't seem to matter to the left-behind worshippers.

Also, when I said that religion can't wait for the end of the world - look at other religions, not just christianity... they all have their apocalypse moment, and they all expect to be the only ones saved.... christians were screaming "end of the world" in 666, they were screaming "end of the world" at the end of the first millenium, they were screaming "end of the world" in 1666, and they were screaming "end of the world" in 1999. They haven't been right yet (as far as I can tell, you'd think we'd notice, right?) but they still keep on with their "end is nigh" and "if Jesus tarries" agenda anyway.

And no, global warming, nuclear arsenals, and anthrax terror do not make me feel safe. But these are real tangible threats, worthy of fear. What we DON'T need is hysterical spiritual ambulance-chasing and soothsaying to add to the dangers we already face.

Look at the Crusades, the Inquisition, the persecution of early Christianity at the hands of Rome, and the Catholics at the hands of Christians. Religion has caused more death than any other single contributor. The death count attributable to the Bible has Hitler hiding his face in embarresment.

One gigantic prophecy, actually curse, came true with implications for everybody on the planet. In Genesis, a little episode about Noah being drunk after the flood. I'll detail you when I get home and get a Bible...

What about the Temple being destroyed? Jesus being born, died, and risen? You sure can say we're artificially trying to make the prophecy come true, but I think it's highly unlikely and a ridiculous claim.

You've got it wrong, it's not religion that kills. It's man that manipulates religion to kill. Maybe it's all part of Satan's plot - to make people feel disgusting at the wrong thing, religion and therefore prevent people from getting closer to God.

One gigantic prophecy, actually curse, came true with implications for everybody on the planet. In Genesis, a little episode about Noah being drunk after the flood. I'll detail you when I get home and get a Bible...

What about the Temple being destroyed? Jesus being born, died, and risen? You sure can say we're artificially trying to make the prophecy come true, but I think it's highly unlikely and a ridiculous claim.

You've got it wrong, it's not religion that kills. It's man that manipulates religion to kill. Maybe it's all part of Satan's plot - to make people feel disgusting at the wrong thing, religion and therefore prevent people from getting closer to God.

if ANYONE deserved a little drink after a hard job well done it was noah!
ewwww imagine having to clean up after all those stinky animals day after day

One gigantic prophecy, actually curse, came true with implications for everybody on the planet. In Genesis, a little episode about Noah being drunk after the flood. I'll detail you when I get home and get a Bible...

What about the Temple being destroyed? Jesus being born, died, and risen? You sure can say we're artificially trying to make the prophecy come true, but I think it's highly unlikely and a ridiculous claim.

You've got it wrong, it's not religion that kills. It's man that manipulates religion to kill. Maybe it's all part of Satan's plot - to make people feel disgusting at the wrong thing, religion and therefore prevent people from getting closer to God.

Okay... you're going to prove that prophecy holds true, by quoting things that allegedly happened BEFORE the book was written? See the flaw in the logic there?

I prophesise that you are going to mention Noah in your reply! Wow! You did! I must be god!

Prove that Noah lived. Prove there was a flood that covered the world. Prove that Noah built an Ark. Prove there even WAS an Ark. Prove that god exists. Prove the temple was destroyed. Prove that Jesus was born, died or rose again. (There is some evidence that someone called Yeshu was tried for rabble-rousing by the Roman government... I mean other proof).

So - all your evidence for prophecy is unprovable - except by reference to one book, which can be proved to contradict itself anyway.

You have no argument.

And no, it's not religion that kills, it's men (and women) serving religion that kill. Let's look at the Spanish Conquistadors 'bringing christianity to the natives' by baptising them, and then smashing their brains out on the rocks.