NationStates Jolt Archive

Who will you choose?

Who will you choose?I voted, yes, but I am not going to ask this question in the future. The result is always the same. Despite whatever Gallup polls or anything else say, Kerry wins here by a landslide. The reason? Most of the people on NS are young (myself included), and typically teens think liberally.

I voted, yes, but I am not going to ask this question in the future. The result is always the same. Despite whatever Gallup polls or anything else say, Kerry wins here by a landslide. The reason? Most of the people on NS are young (myself included), and typically teens think liberally.

I am more of a centrist.....not too conservative (he*l no!) not too liberal (he*l no!)...I had a hard time choosing......

I vote 4th party!

*Would throw vote into the trash if old enough to vote*

There aren't enough choices in the US. And are government is so boring. We need to be more like the english. They should put the house of commons on primetime entertainment.

But seriously, Kucinich doesn't have a chance, and I don't terribly like Kerry, so no matter what I will be unhappy.

Where's the Constitution party?

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I Despite whatever Gallup polls or anything else say, Kerry wins here by a landslide. The reason? Most of the people on NS are young (myself included), and typically teens think liberally.

looks like bush is winning though.....

My vote will go to Michael Badnarik ( www.badnarik.org ), of the Libertarian party.

Unlike Nader, who will only be on the ballot in a handfull of states, Badnarik will more than likely be on all 50 state ballots.

Nader will probably get more popular votes on name recognition alone though.

Voted Kerry, lesser of two evils. Thank god I'm only 17, so I don't feel obligated to vote this year.

I vote 4th party!

*Would throw vote into the trash if old enough to vote*

There aren't enough choices in the US. And are government is so boring. We need to be more like the english. They should put the house of commons on primetime entertainment.

But seriously, Kucinich doesn't have a chance, and I don't terribly like Kerry, so no matter what I will be unhappy.


Oh come on, the house of representatives is really funny when everyone is there.

I voted, yes, but I am not going to ask this question in the future. The result is always the same. Despite whatever Gallup polls or anything else say, Kerry wins here by a landslide. The reason? Most of the people on NS are young (myself included), and typically teens think liberally.

I'm 15 and I was 18 I would vote Bush!

Voted Kerry, lesser of two evils. Thank god I'm only 17, so I don't feel obligated to vote this year.

If you vote for the lesser of two evils, and your guy wins, you still get evil.

Maybe one of the other candidates has views that are closer to your own.

I'm 15 and I was 18 I would vote Bush!

Yes, but if you check the majority of the teens and young people who frequent these boards, it appears that most of them subscribe to more liberal doctrine, like myself.

For that matter, I'm also 15, and if I was 18 (and American) I would vote for Kerry. However, since I'm a proud Canadian, I plan to vote, and eventually run for office here in my home country.

I'm 15 and I was 18 I would vote Bush!Yes, but if you check the majority of the teens and young people who frequent these boards, it appears that most of them subscribe to more liberal doctrine, like myself.

For that matter, I'm also 15, and if I was 18 (and American) I would vote for Kerry. However, since I'm a proud Canadian, I plan to vote, and eventually run for office here in my home country.

so you both cancel each other out...LOL

I can't vote in this poll, as Michael Badnarik is not listed.

Well I will only be 17 by the November election, and I am a (DAMN PROUD) Canadian. I would vote Kerry however. Even though in Canada I would vote NDP (which is a waste of a vote around where I live, which has now voted Conservative Provincially and Federally), in this past Canadian Election, I would have voted Liberal. Sometimes you just have to accept the fact the our systems are flawed and vote for the lesser of two evils. Or we should all move to Australia, now THEY know what they're doing.

By the way, those who don't vote as a form of protest have no right to complain about who is in office.

Well, Im not American or 18 so i dont have to vote!! hehehe. But if i did...He*l i dont know because i really don't care/know about any of them. but please please dont let Bush get voted in again!

Where's the Constitution party?

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Speaking of the Constitution Party, I'm voting for their candidate, Michael Peroutka, this year.

Speaking of the Constitution Party, I'm voting for their candidate, Michael Peroutka, this year.

Peroutka will help us restore dignity to America....and return us to the vision our Founder had when they forged this great nation with their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor....

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Peroutka will help us restore dignity to America....and return us to the vision our Founder had when they forged this great nation with their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor....

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I agree. He's definitely getting my vote. He's a great guy.

If the Constitution Party does win, I'm leaving the country for 4-8 years...

Not that any 3rd party will ever win- short of the downfall of the Whig Party, it's a big deal when a third party takes a large percentage, let alone a state.

If the Constitution Party does win, I'm leaving the country for 4-8 years...

You despise our Founding Fathers that much? Wow, that's quite impressive....


Not that any 3rd party will ever win- short of the downfall of the Whig Party, it's a big deal when a third party takes a large percentage, let alone a state.

No, I doubt that a 3rd party will ever win....Americans have been strangled by the death-lock that is the two party system...break free of that stranglehold, America. Break free....and side with the ideals that our Founding Fathers shared when they spilled their blood to create this nation....

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You despise our Founding Fathers that much? Wow, that's quite impressive....



No, I doubt that a 3rd party will ever win....Americans have been strangled by the death-lock that is the two party system...break free of that stranglehold, America. Break free....and side with the ideals that our Founding Fathers shared when they spilled their blood to create this nation....

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Colerica, my friend, you have great taste in politicians!

Colerica, my friend, you have great taste in politicians!

Agreed.

You despise our Founding Fathers that much? Wow, that's quite impressive....



No, I doubt that a 3rd party will ever win....Americans have been strangled by the death-lock that is the two party system...break free of that stranglehold, America. Break free....and side with the ideals that our Founding Fathers shared when they spilled their blood to create this nation....

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When I'm 18, I'll vote according to MY ideals, not some 200 year old dead guys(even though I do agree with some of thier ideas).

And I voted Nader. I don't like Kerry that much, And I hate Bush. Really, its like picking Hitler or Stalin(Just an example, not calling them Hitler or Stalin).

When I'm 18, I'll vote according to MY ideals, not some 200 year old dead guys(even though I do agree with some of thier ideas).


It's nice to see how much you care for the men who died to give you your nation and your very right to speak. Two of the biggest ideals the Founders had can be found on a quarter: In God We Trust and liberty. Without the Founders having their ideals, you would not be typing what you just did....


And I voted Nader. I don't like Kerry that much, And I hate Bush. Really, its like picking Hitler or Stalin(Just an example, not calling them Hitler or Stalin).

Bush, Kerry, and Nader are the poster-children for iconic evil. While I personally feel that Bush is the 'least evil' of the three, he is no way my first choice for the leader of the greatest nation on earth.....

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Constitution Party America? Hm...
I might give it 6 months to test. Maybe less. Then I'd either leave or attempt to topple the government. Or both. Depends on my mood.

It's nice to see how much you care for the men who died to give you your nation and your very right to speak. Two of the biggest ideals the Founders had can be found on a quarter: In God We Trust and liberty. Without the Founders having their ideals, you would not be typing what you just did....


Nope. I am afraid that is wrong.

Back around 1800 or so the motto on our coins usually was just "LIBERTY" or
"E Pluribus Unum."

At around 1860 the Church going people climbed to about or 40%(Early 1800s it was 10% and some argued 17-20%).

After the Civil War there was a burgeoning of religious fanaticism fed by the clergy that the Civil War was God's punishment for omitting his name from the Consititution.

I think it was 1863 that a number of Protestant denominations banded together and formed the National Reform Association(NRA). They actually wanted to "correct" the oversight of the founders and reform the Consitution to indicate that the Unisted States was created as and remained a Christian nation.

I think it was :

We, the people of the United States, humbly acknowledging almighty God as the source of all authority and power in civil government, the Lord Jesus Christ as the ruler among nations, his revealed will as the supreme law of the land, in order to constitute a Christian government, .....

It was shot down. It was attempted one more time but it never got out of committee.

Now keep in mind the stated goal of the NRA was the creation of a Christian Theocracy in the United States. It had many prominant members ranging from governor and a supreme court justive.

The person to keep in mind was a guy named James Pollock.

President Lincoln makes the mistake(IMHO) of appointing this religious zealot to the Director of the Mint.

I think it was 1861 when a Baptist ministor wrote the Secretary of the Treasury commenting that it was bad mojo to not acknowledge God on our coins. Getting rid of the Goddess of Liberty and replacing it with some acknowledgement would give us divine protection.

The Secretary for what ever reason that it was a good idea and thus notified the Directory of the Mint, James Pollack. He jumped at the chance and submited serveral designs. Eventually it was suggested that "our God and Our Country" and "In God We Trust" were approved.

So the NRA failed to convert the nation into a theocracy by legal means, Pollack achieved his goal of subverting the Constitution. The nation recognized God as its protector through the agency of the US mint.

One thing to point out is that the coinage act did not specify the workign to be used but it allowed for it to be changed on a whim by the Secretary of the Treasury acting on advise by the director.

Moving the clock forward, we now have Teddy. He admined the sculptor Saint-Gaudens and persuaded the Treasury Secretary to commision Saint-Guadens to provide new designs for the coinage.

Saint-Gaudens didn't like "In God We Trust" for aesthetic reasons. Teddy didn't like it for religous reasons. Teddy thought that having the "In God We Trust" motto on common coins abused in all sorts of manners was close to sacrilege.

It got out what was going to happen and there was a huge public outcry. Teddy caved to public pressure and so the motto remained and was made official in 1908 for all coins.

After WWII some religion types thought it would be a good idea to have it on paper money to thank the Lord for preserving us through the war.

It wasn't until 1953 that Eisenhower got a letter from a Numismatic Society suggesting the change and it was done in 1955. Thanks to the Cold war hysteria. All new mintings after 1957 carry the motto.....

Nope. I am afraid that is wrong.

Back around 1800 or so the motto on our coins usually was just "LIBERTY" or
"E Pluribus Unum."

At around 1860 the Church going people climbed to about or 40%(Early 1800s it was 10% and some argued 17-20%).

After the Civil War there was a burgeoning of religious fanaticism fed by the clergy that the Civil War was God's punishment for omitting his name from the Consititution.

I think it was 1863 that a number of Protestant denominations banded together and formed the National Reform Association(NRA). They actually wanted to "correct" the oversight of the founders and reform the Consitution to indicate that the Unisted States was created as and remained a Christian nation.

I think it was :

We, the people of the United States, humbly acknowledging almighty God as the source of all authority and power in civil government, the Lord Jesus Christ as the ruler among nations, his revealed will as the supreme law of the land, in order to constitute a Christian government, .....

It was shot down. It was attempted one more time but it never got out of committee.

Now keep in mind the stated goal of the NRA was the creation of a Christian Theocracy in the United States. It had many prominant members ranging from governor and a supreme court justive.

The person to keep in mind was a guy named James Pollock.

President Lincoln makes the mistake(IMHO) of appointing this religious zealot to the Director of the Mint.

I think it was 1861 when a Baptist ministor wrote the Secretary of the Treasury commenting that it was bad mojo to not acknowledge God on our coins. Getting rid of the Goddess of Liberty and replacing it with some acknowledgement would give us divine protection.

The Secretary for what ever reason that it was a good idea and thus notified the Directory of the Mint, James Pollack. He jumped at the chance and submited serveral designs. Eventually it was suggested that "our God and Our Country" and "In God We Trust" were approved.

So the NRA failed to convert the nation into a theocracy by legal means, Pollack achieved his goal of subverting the Constitution. The nation recognized God as its protector through the agency of the US mint.

One thing to point out is that the coinage act did not specify the workign to be used but it allowed for it to be changed on a whim by the Secretary of the Treasury acting on advise by the director.

Moving the clock forward, we now have Teddy. He admined the sculptor Saint-Gaudens and persuaded the Treasury Secretary to commision Saint-Guadens to provide new designs for the coinage.

Saint-Gaudens didn't like "In God We Trust" for aesthetic reasons. Teddy didn't like it for religous reasons. Teddy thought that having the "In God We Trust" motto on common coins abused in all sorts of manners was close to sacrilege.

It got out what was going to happen and there was a huge public outcry. Teddy caved to public pressure and so the motto remained and was made official in 1908 for all coins.

After WWII some religion types thought it would be a good idea to have it on paper money to thank the Lord for preserving us through the war.

It wasn't until 1953 that Eisenhower got a letter from a Numismatic Society suggesting the change and it was done in 1955. Thanks to the Cold war hysteria. All new mintings after 1957 carry the motto.....

Did you read a word that I wrote? I said that two of the ideals our Founders had were a trust in God and liberty....which is true....

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It's nice to see how much you care for the men who died to give you your nation and your very right to speak. Two of the biggest ideals the Founders had can be found on a quarter: In God We Trust and liberty. Without the Founders having their ideals, you would not be typing what you just did....

Yes, of course, because Britain is a totalitarian dictatorship and in colonies that remained part of the Empire, such as Canada and Australia, they regularly round up and shoot people for expressing their political views. Praise the founders for sparing the USA from that fate.

Yes, of course, because Britain is a totalitarian dictatorship and in colonies that remained part of the Empire, such as Canada and Australia, they regularly round up and shoot people for expressing their political views. Praise the founders for sparing the USA from that fate.

When did I say that?

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When did I say that?

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Two of the biggest ideals the Founders had can be found on a quarter: In God We Trust and liberty. Without the Founders having their ideals, you would not be typing what you just did....

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When did I say that?

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You made it sound a lot like the founders were the sole political force preventing the USA from becoming some kind of Orwellian dystopia.

What about the Greens? And no, I don't mean marijuana party, the Green party. They are far left, and serve for much of what young people like most of us believe in. Check it out!

What about the Greens? And no, I don't mean marijuana party, the Green party. They are far left, and serve for much of what young people like most of us believe in. Check it out!


Yeah, they are going for Nader (not offically).

Did you read a word that I wrote? I said that two of the ideals our Founders had were a trust in God and liberty....which is true....

Me!


Yes I did and you didn't read what I said.

The founders passed on Freedom and Liberty. God was injected into the goverment at a later time.....

As expected, Kerry won here by a landslide.
We know that NS is overwhelmingly left-wing, so let's not waste time with polls like this anymore.

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Which is true. Two of the ideals the Founders believed in were the right to worship God and the very concept of liberty....

In regards to the "you wouldn't be here..." comment, I was under the assumption that he/she was from America. Which, in turn, would be completely true. If the Founders hadn't fought and died for their ideals, (liberty), America would not be here. And the world would be a much different place.....

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Yes I did and you didn't read what I said.

The founders passed on Freedom and Liberty. God was injected into the goverment at a later time.....

You're misunderstanding me. Yes, the Founders passed on freedom and liberty. Two central ideals of their's. Are you going to deny that the Founders held the right to worship as an ideal?

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You're misunderstanding me. Yes, the Founders passed on freedom and liberty. Two central ideals of their's. Are you going to deny that the Founders held the right to worship as an ideal?

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No, but they did not want America to have a state religion or for some group's worship to intrude on others.

As expected, Kerry won here by a landslide.
We know that NS is overwhelmingly left-wing, so let's not waste time with polls like this anymore.

Actually many(like me) are centrists and many (like me) have awakened to the fact the shrub is bad.

Kerry has his faults but he is by far the lessor of the two evils.