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If causing fear in the masses is what it takes to be a terrorist, then I guess I'm a terrorist. If blowing myself up while shrilling the name of my favorite deity in the obscene belief that I will be rewarded for killing innocents along with myself is terrorism, then I guess you can check me two for two. If being born in Saudi Arabia is enough to stop me in the airport and make me take off my shoes repeatedly and they manage to find something on me makes me a terrorist, then guess what?

That's right, I'm a terrorist. Anyone with me?

fuck i gotta go dude. e-mail me.

Yeah, the definition of terrorism nowdays is somewhat ridiculous.

*blinking*

but lith, if you blew yourself up, how did you post that?

ive had to take my shoes off at the airport many times and ive never even flown over saudi arabia. the husband get a thorough search every time he comes back into the country (~10/year)

the govt (john ashcroft *spits*) is a little wacko when it comes to defining terrorists

terrorists kill or maim non related innocent people in an attempt to get the world to notice them and their political problems. if it were just being scary then LA street gangs would be terrorists.

so, bathists in iraq blowing up american soldiers are not terrorists. those who blow up iraqi citizens just trying to go about their own lives are terrorists.

im very much in favor of strict airport security and in favor of making sure everyone is subject to it since there are more than just islamic fundamentalist arab men seeking attention in the world.

anyway i must be thick today. what is your point?

Did you have trouble on the flight back from Japan?

Terrorism:
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Terror-ism, the use of terror to propagate ideas or control people.

You know, the Bush administration asks all Americans to give up some degree of freedom to for protection, but really they're only asking small portions of America to give up their freedom for the protection of, primarily, the others, which really isn't right.

*blinking*

but lith, if you blew yourself up, how did you post that?

ive had to take my shoes off at the airport many times and ive never even flown over saudi arabia. the husband get a thorough search every time he comes back into the country (~10/year)

the govt (john ashcroft *spits*) is a little wacko when it comes to defining terrorists

terrorists kill or maim non related innocent people in an attempt to get the world to notice them and their political problems. if it were just being scary then LA street gangs would be terrorists.

so, bathists in iraq blowing up american soldiers are not terrorists. those who blow up iraqi citizens just trying to go about their own lives are terrorists.

im very much in favor of strict airport security and in favor of making sure everyone is subject to it since there are more than just islamic fundamentalist arab men seeking attention in the world.

anyway i must be thick today. what is your point?

Ash, Ash, Ash. You should know that when I say things, I don't say them for a reason. I say them just because saying them can be done. Take for example, this (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=328748). I don't make points, I just think it's a little ridiculous that I live in America for 17 years, and everytime I go into the country from another country, the guys at the security go:

"Yeah, everything looks..." *Glance at place of birth, look at face, look back at passport* "We'd like you to step over here sir."
"Is this about the Saudi Arabia thing?"
"No sir, of course not."

I watch their eyes. Everytime, it pauses at the place of birth, and then I get called on it. Fuckers!

Did you have trouble on the flight back from Japan?

I leave tomorrow.

Actually, the Bush administration has yet to offer a definition of "terrorism" in a legal context, specifically as it pertains to the PATRIOT act.

Gotta love blank check politics.

I leave tomorrow.Have you predicted you are going to have trouble?

Actually, the Bush administration has yet to offer a definition of "terrorism" in a legal context, specifically as it pertains to the PATRIOT act.

Gotta love blank check politics.

Why limit the amount of semi-legal policing they can do with definitions?

ahhhh
i can imagine the incredible computing power involved in chasing you down through all the security data bases out there.

the husband has to allow for an extra hour at customs because he really does get checked every single time he comes into the country.

of course he does look like a drug lord and he has stamps from colombia, thailand, turkey, mexico.

PLUS they have been trying out a new hand scan identity system but HIS hand doesnt register.

do people avoid sitting by you on the plane in case you are gonna blow them up?

Have you predicted you are going to have trouble?

I don't predict things. I know I'll get stopped. But this time I'll be asking for it, because I'm going to be dressed as Godzilla. Anyway, it's time for me to sleep. Out for ze night.

ahhhh
i can imagine the incredible computing power involved in chasing you down through all the security data bases out there.

the husband has to allow for an extra hour at customs because he really does get checked every single time he comes into the country.

of course he does look like a drug lord and he has stamps from colombia, thailand, turkey, mexico.

PLUS they have been trying out a new hand scan identity system but HIS hand doesnt register.

do people avoid sitting by you on the plane in case you are gonna blow them up?

I do indeed allow for an extra hour and then some for customs, because I feel your husband's pain. Every single time I go through. EVERY TIME!!!

I don't even look Arab, because I'm not. I don't look like a drug lord or a terrorist, or a computer nerd, or a half-blind 30 foot tall mountain goat. They just check the location, take a look to confirm that my name is, indeed, not Arab, take a look at my face to confirm that it is, indeed, not arab. Then they go through my bags and reveal the condoms that I've yet to use here to the rest of the passengers on the plane that I will be boarding tomorrow.

Dunno about the hand thing.

And I wish people would clear some space so I could lay the fuck down and sleep. Being tall sucks. But alas, no, they don't find out they were on the plane with the terrorist until after we land.

Woo, I'm really done for the night. Morning. Whatever. Out.

Does anyone have cases where people who were proven to be terrorists actually got caught up by the measures? Id like to study em.

I am an American and look and speak very much so. You cannot mistake me for being Muslim or Arabic. When I went through the airport flying to and from Australia earlier this year I had to take off my shoes, running shoes and open all my bags etc. They even scanned a *suspicious* looking object in my briefcase, my one carry on piece of luggage. One of the pieces of luggage I was carrying was very clearly marked with signs and tags from my military service, so not even that kept me from going through everything. I do have to say customs suck, but I have always been for safer airports even before 9/11. So being very white American and military does notmake one immune from the inspections.

The government is a terrorist organization. It rules us through the threat of force.

Someone once told me I look like a cabbage patch kid, when I go through airports, they never check me for anything.

My father is of darker complexion, he gets checked a lot.

Fear the cute ones.

If causing fear in the masses is what it takes to be a terrorist, then I guess I'm a terrorist. If blowing myself up while shrilling the name of my favorite deity in the obscene belief that I will be rewarded for killing innocents along with myself is terrorism, then I guess you can check me two for two. If being born in Saudi Arabia is enough to stop me in the airport and make me take off my shoes repeatedly and they manage to find something on me makes me a terrorist, then guess what?

That's right, I'm a terrorist. Anyone with me?

I'm not sure if this is a rant against terrorists or against the American government for their victimization of Muslims....which is it?!

Someone once told me I look like a cabbage patch kid, when I go through airports, they never check me for anything.

My father is of darker complexion, he gets checked a lot.

Fear the cute ones.

i get SOOO insulted when they dont even give me a second look. just because im a dowdy middle aged white woman

I COULD BE DANGEROUS DAMMIT.

18YO mostly Syrian (something like 257/512), quarter jew checking in.
If I go four days without shaving, you can start to call it a beard, and my facial hair is perceived to have a religious significance at about two weeks.
No-one believes I'm 18. Most bars stopped carding me back when I was 16. Occam's razor tells people I'm using a fake ID. Ergo, I get stopped at security, and my ticket is always flagged to set off the sensors.

Now, with Southwest airlines, it doesn't matter. They are also dirt cheap. I set off metal detectors, they sent me aside, told me to empty my pockets, and waved me through without rescanning.
I read the ticket scanner saying "search," and she just said "yeah, it does that every now and then. Don't know why, just go on through."
I've loudly cursed at friends in Arabic on my cell phone on the plane, just to see what happens, and while I got a whole row to myself, the airline didn't care. In the middle of it, the stewardess deadpan read the pre-flight instructions, including "please turn off a cell phones, pagers, and electronic devices," and didn't come back to bother me when I kept on yelling.
Going onto a connecting flight, they didn't ask for ID , just asked if I'd just got off that flight and I was going on this one, then read off a list of names, asked which one was mine, and gave me a boarding pass.
Southwest just doesn't care. On another flight of theirs, I watched the guy loading the checked baggage drop a tube, and he just watched it roll away. They absolutely do not care. If you only use carryons, use them for domestic flights.

Other airlines, though, you just need to appear high-bred. I've mastered "having class & style," and thus people automatically assume I know exactly what I'm doing, and that I'm supposed to be doing it. I no longer get randomly searched at metal detectors. They still hit me at boarding every so often, but they don't bother with questions or orders, they just scan me as I assume a lazy mimicry of the position.
Find some genuinely old-rich people, learn how they act, and act like them. It's worth the effort.

Ash, Ash, Ash. You should know that when I say things, I don't say them for a reason. I say them just because saying them can be done. Take for example, this (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=328748). I don't make points, I just think it's a little ridiculous that I live in America for 17 years, and everytime I go into the country from another country, the guys at the security go:

"Yeah, everything looks..." *Glance at place of birth, look at face, look back at passport* "We'd like you to step over here sir."
"Is this about the Saudi Arabia thing?"
"No sir, of course not."

I watch their eyes. Everytime, it pauses at the place of birth, and then I get called on it. Fuckers!

look, we feel bad

we really do

but you match the description of a terrorist

there is nothing you or they can do

so just suck it up and take off your shoes

a neighbor of mine works in the secret service and has a top security clearance and had to remove her shoes at the airport while hairy bearded men with flowing robes and laundery on their heads strolled thru the checkpoints unmallested cause the guard were scared of being accused of racial profiling by searching them--meanwhile if im not mistaken arent the terrorists racially profiling us as westerners?

Other airlines, though, you just need to appear high-bred. I've mastered "having class & style," and thus people automatically assume I know exactly what I'm doing, and that I'm supposed to be doing it. I no longer get randomly searched at metal detectors. They still hit me at boarding every so often, but they don't bother with questions or orders, they just scan me as I assume a lazy mimicry of the position.
Find some genuinely old-rich people, learn how they act, and act like them. It's worth the effort.

My mom works for Contiental. I practically live in the fucking air. Not only am I not even remotely terrorist-esque, but I am flying on a pass from an employee of their company. It would be quite a terrorist feat of skill to create a terrorist cell that has infiltrated the airline so they can get free tickets. If I'm going to blow myself up, I want a guarantee that I will be getting on the plane. If I'm committing an act of terrorism, I want to get on the flight that I will be destroying. Stupid bastards.

The government is a terrorist organization. It rules us through the threat of force.

Letila, we have so much in common, but I want you to know one thing. If I was ever going to suicide bomb a specific target, it would be you. Not because I hate you, just because everything you say is either a remark about anarchy, or a vague reference to the government's role in our life that doesn't make much sense.

The force they are threatening is with is usually referred to as "law".

look, we feel bad

we really do

but you match the description of a terrorist

there is nothing you or they can do

so just suck it up and take off your shoes

Whta exactly is the discription of a terrorists, eh? I see no way in which you can look at someone and say "Yep, see him. That guys a terrorist." I am sick and tired of this Terrorists are always Muslims or Muslims are always terrorists. Even though I am Catholic(and many say that most Catholics hate Islam, which is wrong) I believe that you cannot tell what or who a person is by their face.

I am an American and look and speak very much so. You cannot mistake me for being Muslim or Arabic. When I went through the airport flying to and from Australia earlier this year I had to take off my shoes, running shoes and open all my bags etc. They even scanned a *suspicious* looking object in my briefcase, my one carry on piece of luggage. One of the pieces of luggage I was carrying was very clearly marked with signs and tags from my military service, so not even that kept me from going through everything. I do have to say customs suck, but I have always been for safer airports even before 9/11. So being very white American and military does notmake one immune from the inspections.
you might fit a Timothy McViegh profile

Whta exactly is the discription of a terrorists, eh? I see no way in which you can look at someone and say "Yep, see him. That guys a terrorist." I am sick and tired of this Terrorists are always Muslims or Muslims are always terrorists. Even though I am Catholic(and many say that most Catholics hate Islam, which is wrong) I believe that you cannot tell what or who a person is by their face.

exactly, sars, its a big mistake to try to eyeball potential terrorists. thats why they have those random checks and end up frisking the old lady with the walker.

they have cut way down on the number of searches though. on my way to vegas no one was randomly searched at the gate. maybe its because it was domestic?

in any case, there are lots of dangerous people in the world and we need to keep that in mind. target the "arab looking gentlemen" and you might miss the radical anarchist right behind him.

My mom works for Contiental. I practically live in the fucking air. Not only am I not even remotely terrorist-esque, but I am flying on a pass from an employee of their company. It would be quite a terrorist feat of skill to create a terrorist cell that has infiltrated the airline so they can get free tickets. If I'm going to blow myself up, I want a guarantee that I will be getting on the plane. If I'm committing an act of terrorism, I want to get on the flight that I will be destroying. Stupid bastards.

Okay, so you aren't going to ever fly Southwest, then.
Without being about half as expensive as any other option there're only two real reasons to fly them: They accept your name as a government-issued photoID, and they don't pay their staff well enough to make them want to search you.

The government is a terrorist organization. It rules us through the threat of force.

Isn't violence the supreme authority from where all other authority is derived from?

Terrorism:
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Terror-ism, the use of terror to propagate ideas or control people.

So then the Bush administration is actually a terrorist government *shock*.

They're using terror of terrorism to control people and propogate ideas.


TERRORISTS!

Okay, so you aren't going to ever fly Southwest, then.
Without being about half as expensive as any other option there're only two real reasons to fly them: They accept your name as a government-issued photoID, and they don't pay their staff well enough to make them want to search you.
Im going to Fly Southwest...everytime I can...

Cos...They dont make me wait in neverending lineups...and I save money too :D

Im going to Fly Southwest...everytime I can...

Cos...They dont make me wait in neverending lineups...and I save money too :D

My advice to you: learn to kill a man with your bare hands. Then if anyone tries to take over the flight, just beat their ass into submission. Cheap, mostly safe, faster, and let's face it: a damn fine work out.

I am an American and look and speak very much so. You cannot mistake me for being Muslim or Arabic.

You can look like a Muslim? I mean I know you can where ‘Muslim clothing’ but a lot of Muslims don’t and sure the religion is linked to an ethnicity but it is the fastest growing religion amongst ‘western’ people.

You could, but that would obviously be a reference to Muslims from the middle east. For instance, people look Jewish, although most people associate that particular statement with the European Jews. So to be fair, you can't look Muslim as much as you can look like a stereotype.

If inciting fear in the masses defines terrorism isn’t our government guilty? I wonder if our courts can prosecute the Bush administration?

Do you think the terrorist threat will ever be lower than "elevated"?

If inciting fear in the masses defines terrorism isn’t our government guilty? I wonder if our courts can prosecute the Bush administration?

Do you think the terrorist threat will ever be lower than "elevated"?

You can't lower it. Then they'll get us and good. Besides, we won't lower it as long as there are colors in the rainbow unused.

Terrorsit definition is a little wacky....

I'm not white or rich or remotely a member of the herd...
Therefore one of two things is going to happen, I'll be arrested or I'll be allowed to do whatever I want. Usually it's the last option. All it takes is the right attitude and the 'glare of death'. I love the glare of death it makes everything better.

"Glare of Death"s are awesome because they work for everything including bullets and shopping lines.