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All the time I hear liberals bashing conservatives and conservatives bashing liberals. But I think its time we realized that we all are Americans and should be united, not divided. In WWII, no one who was drafted said," I don't want to fight because I don't like our president." Instead they put themselves on the line just so our country could be united. They put aside their differences for one common goal: To protect democracy and defeat evil. And look how we repay them. We are so worried about our political parties gaining control of the government that we don't even care if the candidate is a total idiot, as long as our political party wins(I'm not saying either candidate is an idiot). We took that privilege,unity, that the WWII soldiers gave their lives for and tore it up. We have more spite for each other than our enemies the terrorists. Well I say let's all unite and we will surely be the greatest country in the world.

Please let's unite!

I agree that people should be more accepting of other's opinions and even work together to get the best decision passed so that people could benefit from it. Bickering dosen't get much done anyways. People should stop competing over control over a government that only lasts a few years in the span of a lifetime.

thanks for the compliment.

You have a good Point, I agree but I doubt Ann Coulter,Rush Limbaugh or Michael Moore would listen.

Don't forget the President of the NAACP, Ted Kennedy, and many others. At least for the Radio Personalities, inner conflict makes for good radio.

~Richard (Just call me Dick) Marchinko

Well, you conservatives have successfully censored most anime, banned pot, made prostitution illegal, sent people to die in wars, etc. I can't not argue with you.

I can be friends with both sides, since I have some conservative tendencies (mostly when it comes to the economy) and some liberal (civil rights and such).

But I can't be friends with the extremists, since they're stupid.

Well, you conservatives have successfully censored most anime, banned pot, made prostitution illegal, sent people to die in wars, etc. I can't not argue with you.

*GASP* NOT ANIME, POT, AND HOOKERS!!!!!!!! THOSE ANIMALS!!!!!!!!!!!!



(note the heavy sarcasm)

*GASP* NOT ANIME, POT, AND HOOKERS!!!!!!!! THOSE ANIMALS!!!!!!!!!!!!



(note the heavy sarcasm)


Nothing about the wars though?

*hugs Holy Paradise and hands him a piece of chocolate* There, friends :)

*wanders off to bash Bush a bit more in #nationstates_politics*

y'all are too worried about politics. especially in a presidential election year things get heated but do you avoid befriending anyone based on their politics in real life?? thats just nutz

when the shit hits the fan, like pearl harbor or 9/11 we are a united country. when things are calmer, we have the leisure to push our own political agendas.

quit talking politics and you can like or dislike other people based on the way they treat you and other people

y'all are too worried about politics. especially in a presidential election year things get heated but do you avoid befriending anyone based on their politics in real life?? thats just nutz

when the shit hits the fan, like pearl harbor or 9/11 we are a united country. when things are calmer, we have the leisure to push our own political agendas.

quit talking politics and you can like or dislike other people based on the way they treat you and other people

In order-

Well, I do. Why shouldn't we?

The **** is past the fan now, it's been 3 years since 9/11 and by now we're allowed to say that Bush isn't walking on water.

Politics generally involve the way people treat others and other people.

do you avoid befriending anyone based on their politics in real life??

. . .

quit talking politics and you can like or dislike other people based on the way they treat you and other people

i do, and a person's politics IS the way they treat you and other people, along with other things

I have no problem with conservatives in general, and have more than a few friends whose politics are more conservative than mine. It's the radicals in power and the people who defend them that I have major issues with.

I've respected and continue to respect individual members of the Republican party, in some cases more than members of my own party, because even though I may disagree with the solutions they propose to the problems we discuss, at least they recognize that there are problems to be tackled. But unfortunately, the loudest mouths in the Republican party--the people in power--have no interest in discussion of the problems of the say. They declared war or me and mine long before we started fighting back. But it's on now, and I'm not backing away from anyone.

You want to have a substantive policy discussion, I'm there--I love that stuff. But if you still support this president after the cumulative garbage of the last 3+ years, I've got no use for you--you've buried your head in the sand of unreality.

I actually don't mind moderate Conservatives. I'd even vote for John McCaine if he was on election (and there wasn't a better opponent, of course).

I agree with Incertonia- most members of a party or wing aren't idiots or radicals, it's just the most extreme ones have the biggest mouths and ruin the friendship with the other side's extremists. And the Moderates never fight back.

I have to admit I want Bush to win, but not because he's a Republican, but because he has got us through 9/11, treats people with respect, and has kept the country's economy well. You should vote for a candidate based on ideas, promises, and what he(or she, in the future, maybe) wants for the country.

I have to admit I want Bush to win, but not because he's a Republican, but because he has got us through 9/11, treats people with respect, and has kept the country's economy well. You should vote for a candidate based on ideas, promises, and what he(or she, in the future, maybe) wants for the country.

not to mention the relative anti-terror successes :D

that also

I agree. I'm extremely conservative, yet some of my best friends are extremely liberal. I'll quote Barry Goldwater: "To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable."

Well, you conservatives have successfully censored most anime, banned pot, made prostitution illegal, sent people to die in wars, etc. I can't not argue with you.

Well, personally not being a fan of anime, I wouldn't know nor would I care if it was "censored."

If you want to destroy your life with marijauna, go ahead. Just don't be taking anyone else with you (ie car accidents while high)....

Prosititution should not be illegal. Communism tells people what jobs they have to have......and the American government is telling people what jobs they cannot have? Besides, it's the world's oldest occupation....

You act as if conservatives are the sole cause of all the world's wars....hint, hint...we're not....

Me!

I agree. I'm extremely conservative, yet some of my best friends are extremely liberal. I'll quote Barry Goldwater: "To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable."
Goldwater is the kind of conservative I could have gotten along with--rarely ever agreed with, but still have gotten along with. He wasn't evil. Tom DeLay? That man is evil and he needs to go.

I love everybody

I just don't agree with everybody.

It would be silly to expect everyone to just get along.

Please let's unite!
we cannot unite under an untrustworthy liar like Bush--Unless Bush starts doing things to benefit the AMERICAN people then there will be NO UNITY under this tyrant.As it stands now Bush should be President of Iraq since he does everything for them anyway, but until he proves otherwise I dont even consider Bush to be an american

I think that the extremists on both sides should be put away somewhere where they can argue their differences out , and all the sane people can carry on with life as usual.

Because, really, aren't extremiests causing this mess that we're in?

I bet we could compromise on a bunch of key issues between the two parties.

For instance, abortion is illegal…

…but the children go to men and women in gay marriages!

Marijuana is legal … but only in the comfort of your own home and with a limited amount.

We have social equality … but the right get to have their way with the economy!

Honestly, if the two sides were to work together, then America would be a better place

All the time I hear liberals bashing conservatives and conservatives bashing liberals. But I think its time we realized that we all are Americans and should be united, not divided. In WWII, no one who was drafted said," I don't want to fight because I don't like our president." Instead they put themselves on the line just so our country could be united. They put aside their differences for one common goal: To protect democracy and defeat evil. And look how we repay them. We are so worried about our political parties gaining control of the government that we don't even care if the candidate is a total idiot, as long as our political party wins(I'm not saying either candidate is an idiot). We took that privilege,unity, that the WWII soldiers gave their lives for and tore it up. We have more spite for each other than our enemies the terrorists. Well I say let's all unite and we will surely be the greatest country in the world.
VETOED--and if you want to bring up comparisons to WW2 then Bush is Hitler

I have to admit I want Bush to win, but not because he's a Republican, but because he has got us through 9/11, treats people with respect, and has kept the country's economy well. You should vote for a candidate based on ideas, promises, and what he(or she, in the future, maybe) wants for the country.
your clearly delusional

Am I the only one who thinks that, instead of trying to be the best country in the world, that America should try to make the world the best it can be?

Also, it's not that people don't want to fight in a war because they don't like the President. They don't want to fight in the war because they don't think the war is just.

This recent war is not to protect democracy! lol I don't see how you come up with that one. ALso noone against the war is against the soldiers. I am against the war but greatly admire the soldiers as does anyone else I know who is against the war.

I think we are united still in that we all consider ourselves Americans and want the best for America. But having an illigitimate President can cause some great tensions. As was seen when Bush's limo was being pelted with eggs. No other US President ever had to deal with such things.

Am I the only one who thinks that, instead of trying to be the best country in the world, that America should try to make the world the best it can be?
of course thats the way it should be but only a liberal would think of this--conservatism is based on the politics of rank selfishness

Yeah, it's kind of perplexing. We all want a better country and life, we just disagree on how to get it. I think part of the reason compromise is not always possible is morals, although that has been done ("it's not murder if you do it in self-defense")...and then there are just stupid, unreasonable people who won't budge.

Am I the only one who thinks that, instead of trying to be the best country in the world, that America should try to make the world the best it can be?


I believe the USA should set the best example it can for the world (not presently happening). Why do you believe that the USA should own the world and tell them all what to do? The USA is far from perfect. It definitely should stop supporting evil if it is supposed to be fighting it around the world. Noone likes a hypocrite.

why doesnt Holy Paradise direct her post to the imposter in our white house. Hes the Great Divider that caused all this conflict. Not any of us

why doesnt Holy Paradise direct her post to the imposter in our white house. Hes the Great Divider that caused all this conflict. Not any of us
Actually, I'm a guy. Anyway this is exactly what I'm talking about. You don't have to like the president, but you shouldn't call him an imposter. An imposter is someone who pretends to be someone or something. Bush is not an imposter because he is the president. Besides I never said you were one of the dividers. Besides you chose to help divide the country by bashing Bush so harshly. I don't care if you bash him reasonably, but what you said is too harsh. With the post you just typed in, you contributed to the dividing of our country. Everyone in this post was getting along just fine.

I believe the USA should set the best example it can for the world (not presently happening). Why do you believe that the USA should own the world and tell them all what to do? The USA is far from perfect. It definitely should stop supporting evil if it is supposed to be fighting it around the world. Noone likes a hypocrite.

Sorry, I phased that wrong. I agree with you completely.

Actually, I'm a guy. Anyway this is exactly what I'm talking about. You don't have to like the president, but you shouldn't call him an imposter. An imposter is someone who pretends to be someone or something. Bush is not an imposter because he is the president. Besides I never said you were one of the dividers. Besides you chose to help divide the country by bashing Bush so harshly. I don't care if you bash him reasonably, but what you said is too harsh. With the post you just typed in, you contributed to the dividing of our country. Everyone in this post was getting along just fine.
well this post isnt the country LOL and I get along with alot of conservatives in my personal life but theres no way in hell this country will EVER be united with the likes of Bush in office. The President sets the tone of the country and if the country is as divided as it is its no ones fault but Bushs alone. He rules by pitting people against each other

oh ok kuhl.

was scared for a second. I thought maybe you were a proponent of the PNAC and world domination. eeep!

Yes I believe that the US needs to fix itself before it thinks it can go fix the world.

The USA does have a lot of power and influence around the world presently and that isn't always a good thing.

Time for another speech:

When our forefathers wrote the Declaration of Independence, they refered to the colonies as the United States of America. UNITED. Those 6 letters in that wonderful word have been forgotten and replaced with divided. How? Not because of terrorists. Not because of leaders. But because of ourselves. Some people these days, both conservative and liberal, have ended their friendships because the friends had opposite opinions. That my friends is pathetic, to end years of wonderful friendships over opinions. But notice I used the word opinions. Note that opinions means a belief about something, not a fact, which is something that has been proven to be 100% true. Our forefathers never intended for this country to divide. But it has. Even George Washington himself once said," I fear the rise of political parties" And how right he was to fear that. People have died for 200+ years to keep this country united. The Civil war is a huge example. The country was tore apart over laws on slavery. President Abraham Lincoln was hated by almost all of the Confederates, but he stood tall. And look where it got him. The country reunited. But one person hated that unity and shot President Lincoln. These days however, our name should be more like the Divided States of America. Do any of us want that? I think not. Let's make sure our name, The United States of America stays the same.

If Bush ever gets beheaded in Iraq we can all be United to witness the spectacle

That's more than harsh, that's disgusting.

That's more than harsh, that's disgusting.
please dont be divisive

...But pretty cool nontheless.

What you said I have reported as that's not free speech but frightening.Not you West Europe.

What you said I have reported as that's not free speech but frightening.Not you West Europe.Just as I suspected--your another thought control rightwing nazi trying to criminalize dissent and you dare to quote our founding fathers when you have the values of a facist pig

No but you can't say you want our president beheaded in Iraq. Some people might take it as a threat to the president. You could even be arrested. I don't want you to be arrested. But in fact I could also report what you called me but I'm not going to because well that's me.

No but you can't say you want our president beheaded in Iraq. Some people might take it as a threat to the president. You could even be arrested. I don't want that.
I would like you to show me the quote where I specifically said thats what I "wanted"

The way you said it sounded like you would enjoy it.

The way you said it sounded like you would enjoy it.
I think your projecting
but dont you think its a little ironic that in a thread where your calling for peace between liberals and conservatives that you also advocate having people arrested for thought crimes when someone disagrees with you?

I'm not projecting. Anyway, even if you didn't want Bush beheaded, others might take it as a threat to the president.

I'm not projecting. Anyway, even if you didn't want Bush beheaded, others might take it as a threat to the president.
or maybe it never wouldve occured to them that it was a threat until you planted that seed in their heads and turned a perfectly innocent statement into one

what Holy Paradise is doing is a form of intellectual terrorism against anyone who critizes Bush--he clearely learned this intimidation tactic from the President who demonizes and tries to destroy the lives of any one who criticizes him--this is yet another reason why the country can NEVER be united under the REAL terrorist who threatens us all--the one in the WHite House

what Holy Paradise is doing is a form of intellectual terrorism against anyone who critizes Bush--he clearely learned this intimidation tactic from the President who demonizes and tries to destroy the lives of any one who criticizes him--this is yet another reason why the country can NEVER be united under the REAL terrorist who threatens us all--the one in the WHite House

Arg! No, he's not. By American standards, I think I would be called a liberal. I don't like Bush and I totally disagree on Holy Paradises statement that Bush respects people (you don't notice much of his "respect" when you're European, trust me on this), but throughout this conversation, it's seemed to me that he is the reasonable one. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you, but it looks like you're doing just what you're criticising him for- twisting every one of his words into something sinister. Do calm down a bit, please? This started off as such a nice, rational discussion and we get so few of those.

If Bush ever gets beheaded in Iraq we can all be United to witness the spectacle

You're one sick, sick dillusional little person, you know that?

Me!

Arg! No, he's not. By American standards, I think I would be called a liberal. I don't like Bush and I totally disagree on Holy Paradises statement that Bush respects people (you don't notice much of his "respect" when you're European, trust me on this), but throughout this conversation, it's seemed to me that he is the reasonable one. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you, but it looks like you're doing just what you're criticising him for- twisting every one of his words into something sinister. Do calm down a bit, please? This started off as such a nice, rational discussion and we get so few of those.
he was threatening my dissent rights in a terroristic manner the same way Bush spends all his time smearing and firing all his critics. Bush even was gonna smear Jessice Lynch when she came out and said the story surrounding her rescue was just another Bush lie-his methods are exactly what is dividing this country and he cant even see that hes the cause of it--but Im not here to disturb the peace of this thread even tho its filled to the brim with hypocrisy-Ill be the bigger man and from now on place Holy Paradise on ignore.

Just to be fun, MKUltra, are you Micheal Moore?

You're one sick, sick dillusional little person, you know that?

Me!yet another one who mises the irony of my point...
Bush is the one who got us stuck in a beheading quagmire--when will he take personal responsibility for his crimes against humanity?

Just to be fun, MKUltra, are you Micheal Moore?
I weight roughly 138#---Moore weights approx 1 ton---I guess you can say NO

Hey I was just trying to have a little fun.

Well it sounds like MKUltra is done talking. And yes I respect his opinions. Now let's drop it. We are supposed to be getting along right?

he was threatening my dissent rights in a terroristic manner the same way Bush spends all his time smearing and firing all his critics. Bush even was gonna smear Jessice Lynch when she came out and said the story surrounding her rescue was just another Bush lie-his methods are exactly what is dividing this country and he cant even see that hes the cause of it--but Im not here to disturb the peace of this thread even tho its filled to the brim with hypocrisy-Ill be the bigger man and from now on place Holy Paradise on ignore.
Well, I wouldn't have reported you for it, but I did think that that Bush beheading joke was pretty tasteless and very counter-productive. Anyway, I'll leave you alone now so you can sling shit at each other in peace.

Actually we're done slinging shit at each other.

Good. Pity I have to go to bed now. I'll probably miss out on most of the discussion :-(.

Please let's unite!
aye i believe yer right, we should all get along. i have nothing wrong wiv republicans. but we have to argue because this country allows me to shout wat i think, so i will. i dont mind arguments, tats wat keeps this country alive. if wat u mean is tat u want people to debate but not get bitter over rubbish then i think yer a genuis. cheers mate

Nothing about the wars though?
Don't you know Liberals made war too? Look at Kennedy in Vietnam!

Arg! No, he's not. By American standards, I think I would be called a liberal. I don't like Bush and I totally disagree on Holy Paradises statement that Bush respects people (you don't notice much of his "respect" when you're European, trust me on this), but throughout this conversation, it's seemed to me that he is the reasonable one. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you, but it looks like you're doing just what you're criticising him for- twisting every one of his words into something sinister. Do calm down a bit, please? This started off as such a nice, rational discussion and we get so few of those.
aye bush is screwing europeans. especially brits, it used to be nice but now he messed up our bloody political affairs. i dont like him, and i also dont think he respects the gay community. no more bloody arguments about political parties, it doesnt matter none of the american parties seem to be morally better than the other. but bugger ho, i agree, i tought this would be bout not having liberals or conservatives bend the others words. im sick of tat rubbish

if we all agreed with each other, life would really suck.