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*as if we didnt already know this just confirms it

We take a look at a new documentary titled "Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism," that accuses the Fox News Channel of tailoring its coverage to back President Bush.
The documentary, which premiered this week in New York City, features memos written by Fox executives and interviews with former Fox correspondents and producers who talk about how upper management pressured reporters to cover news with a conservative bias. The film also says a study of guests on Fox's news and opinion shows over a 25-week period in 2003 showed that Republicans appeared five times more often than Democrats.

The film's producer and director, Robert Greenwald, says he intentionally did not seek Fox's side. Greenwald told reporters: "Fox News is on the air 24 hours a day, seven days a week. My little film is hardly going to address that imbalance. This really is David vs. Goliath."

www.democracynow.org

Me thinks your trying to boost viewership of democracynow since it seems the only thing your able to quote.

Can't we get news from a different ultra left wing rag?

We needed outfoxed to prove fox was biased? I thought that was common knowledge.

I happen to give out more credibility to ultra-left-wing rags than Fox news.

Democracy now is actually a very reliable news source, as far as I'm concerned.

then take a look at the documentary that proves a liberal conspiracy at CNN

all media sources are bias to some extent by nature

what makes you think yours are any different

Me thinks your trying to boost viewership of democracynow since it seems the only thing your able to quote.

Can't we get news from a different ultra left wing rag?
I only post the links cause I get hollared at when I dont-if democracynow was a persons only source of info in the world theyd still more informed then 99% of the americans

I happen to give out more credibility to ultra-left-wing rags than Fox news.

Democracy now is actually a very reliable news source, as far as I'm concerned.Amy Goodmann is awesome too

then take a look at the documentary that proves a liberal conspiracy at CNN

all media sources are bias to some extent by nature

what makes you think yours are any different
cause ours a biast towards the truth and foxnews is baist toward corprate facism--also CNN isnt leftwing its centrist pablum for the masses

I only post the links cause I get hollared at when I dont-if democracynow was a persons only source of info in the world theyd still more informed then 99% of the americans

Welcome to Soviet Russia and all the other Communist/Socialist/Dictatorship countries with a single state-run news sourse. They say the same thing. They kept/keep their people "informed"... uh huh.

I watch Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc. I don't stick with just one news source be it paper, T.V., radio, or the Net. And I can safely say that they are ALL pretty much biased in one way or another. That goes especially for local t.v. news programs on your local broadcast t.v. stations.

You need to explore your sources of infomation a little more widely. You might be surprised what you'll learn. Your thread is old news.

then take a look at the documentary that proves a liberal conspiracy at CNN

all media sources are bias to some extent by nature

what makes you think yours are any different

CNN? What makes you think any self respecting politically active left leaning individual relies on it as their primary news source? Thats the point. I dont think anybody with cred here relies on the mainstream media at all for news. Its all aboot the net. News blogs and news.BBC is where I get my news from.

But If I could play devils advocate for a moment. If fox was Biased and attracted conservative viewers and everyone knew it. The freemarket would counterbalance by filling a void for liberally biased coverage. So fox sorta created a monster in turning news into a product rather than as a vital public service.

Murdoch interferes in Australian politics too in favour of the conservatives. But he wont be living In Australia much longer if he can move newscorp to the U.S. He will still excercise an influence over the Australian media after he is gone though because his ownership will remain.

CNN is only centrist in America. By European standards, American News is moderately right-wing, and Fox News is almost raving in its Rightness.

Fox News is a great News channel, Very fair in its reporting and this is just another attempt by Neo-Liberals to destroy it! The film has no merit and should be ignored.


I find it sad that Libs throw a hissy fit when a view other than there own is shown in the world, The fact is if their is a heavy Conservative bias on Fox News, I for one haven't seen it! To think Fox news is Pro-Bush, That just makes me laugh! Fox News has been proping up Kerry for months! Wake up America, The left is lying to you!

CNN is only centrist in America. By European standards, American News is moderately right-wing, and Fox News is almost raving in its Rightness.


It is sad you think being Right-Wing is a bad thing while being Left-Wing is great! Just sad!

Judging by the way the most public of Right wingers conduct themselves its not surprising. And Im not talking politicians.

CNN? What makes you think any self respecting politically active left leaning individual relies on it as their primary news source? Thats the point. I dont think anybody with cred here relies on the mainstream media at all for news. Its all aboot the net. News blogs and news.BBC is where I get my news from.

But If I could play devils advocate for a moment. If fox was Biased and attracted conservative viewers and everyone knew it. The freemarket would counterbalance by filling a void for liberally biased coverage. So fox sorta created a monster in turning news into a product rather than as a vital public service.

Murdoch interferes in Australian politics too in favour of the conservatives. But he wont be living In Australia much longer if he can move newscorp to the U.S. He will still excercise an influence over the Australian media after he is gone though because his ownership will remain.rupert murdoch is a human peice of bottom feeding excrement-his neighbors hang toilet seats on their property line facing his house cause hes such a scum and he got the village to pass a law against people putting "artwork" on their lawns

CNN is only centrist in America. By European standards, American News is moderately right-wing, and Fox News is almost raving in its Rightness.
I think its even conservative according to american standards--the media doesnt represent the people at all

Fox News is a great News channel, Very fair in its reporting and this is just another attempt by Neo-Liberals to destroy it! The film has no merit and should be ignored.


I find it sad that Libs throw a hissy fit when a view other than there own is shown in the world, The fact is if their is a heavy Conservative bias on Fox News, I for one haven't seen it! To think Fox news is Pro-Bush, That just makes me laugh! Fox News has been proping up Kerry for months! Wake up America, The left is lying to you!
LOL your the one whose lying now--Foxnews has been spinning for Bush since day one and carry all of Bushs lies unquestioningly-in fact foxnews has such a Bush bias that fox reporters even get special treatment from the white house

Fox News is a great News channel, Very fair in its reporting and this is just another attempt by Neo-Liberals to destroy it! The film has no merit and should be ignored.Are you suggesting that the memos were forged? Or are you merely attempting to attack the source in an attempt to obliterate the facts?


I find it sad that Libs throw a hissy fit when a view other than there own is shown in the world, The fact is if their is a heavy Conservative bias on Fox News, I for one haven't seen it! To think Fox news is Pro-Bush, That just makes me laugh! Fox News has been proping up Kerry for months! Wake up America, The left is lying to you!And your evidence for this assertion is? Provide some conclusive proof please. I won't hold my breath.

Fox News is a great News channel, Very fair in its reporting and this is just another attempt by Neo-Liberals to destroy it! The film has no merit and should be ignored.


I find it sad that Libs throw a hissy fit when a view other than there own is shown in the world, The fact is if their is a heavy Conservative bias on Fox News, I for one haven't seen it! To think Fox news is Pro-Bush, That just makes me laugh! Fox News has been proping up Kerry for months! Wake up America, The left is lying to you!

I have to agree CHB! They have propped up both sides equally! During debates regarding issues, they always, ALWAYS, have someone from the Kerry Camp (or as close as possible), and from the Bush Camp. Everyone gets equal time. What other news organization lets both sides say their peace?

Oh and MKULTRA, find another news source. Try Reuters!

LOL your the one whose lying now--Foxnews has been spinning for Bush since day one and carry all of Bushs lies unquestioningly-in fact foxnews has such a Bush bias that fox reporters even get special treatment from the white house

Please prove this without sourcing Outfoxed! I like to know how Fox News (the most watched named in all of Cable News) is biased towards. Also prove, without sourcing outfoxed, that they get special treatment! They don't carry all of Bush's comments unquestioningly. I have seen many interviews where they question both sides on what the President said. I will admit that sometimes the LEFT actually makes a better point during some of these interviews but that doesn't happen often.

So again prove your statement without sourcing outfoxed or democracy.org

And your evidence for this assertion is? Provide some conclusive proof please. I won't hold my breath.

We have seen it! Kerry has gotten a hell of alot of Air Time on Fox News. His Camp talks to Fox News and debates with the Bush Camp on many issues. When someone from the Kerry Camp isn't there for a debate, Fox News plays the otherside against the Bush Camp. And yes they have done this. I've seen it!

Allow me, an admitted nOOb, to add my two cents to this debate.

Objectivity in the media is a very recent idea in the history of journalism, and one that is practically unique to America. In Britain, you read the Independant if you are a leftist, or the Times of London if you lean towards the right. Neither of these papers make any claim towards objectivity, and they wear their bias on their sleeves.

Here in Canada, we have mostly right-wing newspapers owned by the Asper family, with a pro-Sharon bias towards the middle-east and a largely Libertarian editorial staff. The Toronto Star is largely considered to be a left-wing paper. The difference between this bias and the bias inherent in American media is that our media never claims objectivity.

Fox News claims it is fair and balanced, when it obviously is not. Although I think most of the views aired on Fox News are foolish myself, I would be quite willing to ignore them if they would admit their bias and cease to claim the absurd notion that they are an "objective" news source.

Fox News is a great News channel, Very fair in its reporting and this is just another attempt by Neo-Liberals to destroy it! The film has no merit and should be ignored.


I find it sad that Libs throw a hissy fit when a view other than there own is shown in the world, The fact is if their is a heavy Conservative bias on Fox News, I for one haven't seen it! To think Fox news is Pro-Bush, That just makes me laugh! Fox News has been proping up Kerry for months! Wake up America, The left is lying to you!Okay, I don't know about the Kerry thing, I never watch fox news anymore. Its not so much that Fox News is pro-bush as it is pro-right. I watched that little 'discussion' show they have (Really bad with names, so I hope you'll forgive me if I can't remember the name). The Republican (or in absense of politcal parties, the conservative) was allowed to talk ad nausem without a single interupption, however, the democrat/liberal was interruptted at the end of each sentence with a billigerently applied counter-point. The host even objected to things that anyone short of a brainwashed republican (Not saying republicans are brainwashed, just that each party has people that seem to be unable to do anything against their party) would agree you had a point.

Actually, CNN did a review on that film over the weekend and pointed out a couple of places where it showed deliberately edited clips to take comments out of context by Fox newscasters.

I have little respect for that technique to make a point, however it was also pointed out that CNN only found two instances of that in the film. I do however, strongly recommend another movie by that same director entitled Uncovered - The Whole Truth About the Iraq War which is a sequence of interviews with some very senior intelligence people (current and/or retired and of both aprty affiliations) in the US administration discussing how the intel got so baddly skewed leading up to the war.

Is Fox right-biased? Of course it is. And anyone claiming otherwise is either clueless or being deliberately dishonest. That being said, sometimes partisinship is needed in the media in my humble opinion as it ensures that there are those out there gunning for public figures and (hopefully) doing the proper legwork to try and keep them honest, or to expose where they aren't. And we need that from both sides.

So - would I watch Fox for it's editorialization? No. But do I complain about their existance? Nope.

That being said, I agree with those who point out that anyone who focuses on a single source for their news is undoubtably not being well informed. You may like the bias of your favorite station, but I guarantee that they are not giving you the whole picture.

Because none of them do.

-Z-

We have seen it! Kerry has gotten a hell of alot of Air Time on Fox News. His Camp talks to Fox News and debates with the Bush Camp on many issues. When someone from the Kerry Camp isn't there for a debate, Fox News plays the otherside against the Bush Camp. And yes they have done this. I've seen it!Firstly, anecdotal evidence does not qualify as proof.

Secondly, the issue of right wing bias is not going to show itself in debates. It's about the slant given to "news" stories.

Thirdly, put the issue of Kerry (who is a member of the centre right to any objective observer) to one side for the moment. Why does Chomsky not get the same airtime as Coulter?

Yeah this really is a case of David vs. Goliath as the thread starter stated. You've got the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, NPR, Time, Newsweek all up against Fox News, conservative talk radio, and a few conservative mags. And you know what, Fox News is kicking arse in viewer rating vs. CNN and MSNBC. The people have spoken through their channel changers, they don't like the liberal bias at either CNN or MSNBC.

Firstly, anecdotal evidence does not qualify as proof.

Secondly, the issue of right wing bias is not going to show itself in debates. It's about the slant given to "news" stories.

Thirdly, put the issue of Kerry (who is a member of the centre right to any objective observer) to one side for the moment. Why does Chomsky not get the same airtime as Coulter?

Then why is Kerry rated the most Liberal Member of the US Senate if he is a member of the Center right?

Then why is Kerry rated the most Liberal Member of the US Senate if he is a member of the Center right?

It's just a label.. can you step away from the label's? Or is that all you have?

Yeah this really is a case of David vs. Goliath as the thread starter stated. You've got the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, NPR, Time, Newsweek all up against Fox News, conservative talk radio, and a few conservative mags. And you know what, Fox News is kicking arse in viewer rating vs. CNN and MSNBC. The people have spoken through their channel changers, they don't like the liberal bias at either CNN or MSNBC.

Agreed Unashamed Christians! Fox News also doesn't have the markets like CNN does. CNN has more markets than Fox News, yet Fox News is Number 1 in the ratings. I guess people don't recognize that. Air America isn't doing so well in radio ratings! Why? People don't want to hear it. There is no market for a purely one sided radio station. Conservative Radio has the ratings because that is what people want to listen too to counter the Liberal media of the papers (and trust me, I've just seen headlines in the 2 paper we get and they are vastly different) and TV. This will be the trend for years to come.

I would also like to say that there was a recent poll done that showed that 30% of the journalists in America described themselves as liberal, 9% as convservative, and the rest as moderate. I have a feeling that the majority that called themselves moderate are liberal, they just didn't want to call themselves that.

As promised I tried to find the source of that poll, unfortunately I did not find it, but I do remember reading it online at www.townhall.com .
Instead I did find this site, http://www.mediaresearch.org/SpecialReports/2004/sum/sum063004.asp ,

I would also like to say that there was a recent poll done that showed that 30% of the journalists in America described themselves as liberal, 9% as convservative, and the rest as moderate. I have a feeling that the majority that called themselves moderate are liberal, they just didn't want to call themselves that.

As soon as I find the organization that conducted this poll I will edit my post to reflect that.

Oh! So YOU think that the ones who said they are "moderate" are probably liberals.. well I'm sold.. I mean you have the educational and fortune telling experience to make this claim? :rolleyes:

I would also like to say that there was a recent poll done that showed that 30% of the journalists in America described themselves as liberal, 9% as convservative, and the rest as moderate. I have a feeling that the majority that called themselves moderate are liberal, they just didn't want to call themselves that.

As soon as I find the organization that conducted this poll I will edit my post to reflect that.
You also need to a) name the source b)provide similar details for the editors (who after all have editoral control whereas journalists don't and c) explain the methodology used e.g. what the survey's definations of liberal, conservative and moderate are.

*jumps in topic without bothering to read likely flame war*

Rupert Murdoch wields more political power than nearly all human beings alive... And Fox News is biased crap, I already knew that.

Please prove this without sourcing Outfoxed! I like to know how Fox News (the most watched named in all of Cable News) is biased towards. Also prove, without sourcing outfoxed, that they get special treatment! They don't carry all of Bush's comments unquestioningly. I have seen many interviews where they question both sides on what the President said. I will admit that sometimes the LEFT actually makes a better point during some of these interviews but that doesn't happen often.

So again prove your statement without sourcing outfoxed or democracy.org
FAIR.ORG

FAIR.ORG

Which is anything but fair. Now how about a crediable news source?

Yeah this really is a case of David vs. Goliath as the thread starter stated. You've got the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, NPR, Time, Newsweek all up against Fox News, conservative talk radio, and a few conservative mags. And you know what, Fox News is kicking arse in viewer rating vs. CNN and MSNBC. The people have spoken through their channel changers, they don't like the liberal bias at either CNN or MSNBC.
because sensationalistic lies are more exciting then reponsible facts--and btw these other media outlets are in no way liberal--and are you talken about the same MSNBC that fired Phil Donahue for speaking out against the war in Iraq before it happened?

Agreed Unashamed Christians! Fox News also doesn't have the markets like CNN does. CNN has more markets than Fox News, yet Fox News is Number 1 in the ratings. I guess people don't recognize that. Air America isn't doing so well in radio ratings! Why? People don't want to hear it. There is no market for a purely one sided radio station. Conservative Radio has the ratings because that is what people want to listen too to counter the Liberal media of the papers (and trust me, I've just seen headlines in the 2 paper we get and they are vastly different) and TV. This will be the trend for years to come.air americas ratings in the cities its broadcast in blows every single rightwing radio host out of the water and newspapers arent liberal theyre corporate

because sensationalistic lies are more exciting then reponsible facts--and btw these other media outlets are in no way liberal

Actually they are according to recent polling! They say that most of the media is liberal!

air americas ratings in the cities its broadcast in blows every single rightwing radio host out of the water and newspapers arent liberal theyre corporate

I would love to see these ratings because from what i'm seeing, Air America is getting crushed in competition.

Which is anything but fair. Now how about a crediable news source?
well you use foxnews as a creadible news source I can use things equally biast then too :-)

Actually they are according to recent polling! They say that most of the media is liberal!
Im aware that the rightwing had invented this myth in order to hijack the media for themselfs but its since been discredited

I would love to see these ratings because from what i'm seeing, Air America is getting crushed in competition.
see the way fox lies to you?

Im aware that the rightwing had invented this myth in order to hijack the media for themselfs but its since been discredited

Actually it isn't a myth. The polls stated as such and this wasn't done by Fox News. :D

see the way fox lies to you?

Stop dodging! I want to see the ratings from Air America. Everything I'm seeing points in the other direction, away from Air America. Why? People don't want it.

well you use foxnews as a creadible news source I can use things equally biast then too :-)

And I don't use Fox News as a credible news source. I just use them because they are more objective than other news outlets. :)

I would love to see these ratings because from what i'm seeing, Air America is getting crushed in competition.Here's a link (http://hoffmania.blogspot.com/2004_07_11_hoffmania_archive.html#109002793293916368) that breaks down the most recent ratings from the NY market where WLIB is the flagship station. He has a link to the ratings service at radio and record online, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to get the breakdowns.

Anyway, his breakdown is this: Air America is doing well considering that they've gone from nothing against an entrenched market--they're basically down half a ratings point against Limbaugh after 3 months and are pulling an audience it took Limbaugh years to pull.

Here's a link (http://hoffmania.blogspot.com/2004_07_11_hoffmania_archive.html#109002793293916368) that breaks down the most recent ratings from the NY market where WLIB is the flagship station. He has a link to the ratings service at radio and record online, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to get the breakdowns.

Anyway, his breakdown is this: Air America is doing well considering that they've gone from nothing against an entrenched market--they're basically down half a ratings point against Limbaugh after 3 months and are pulling an audience it took Limbaugh years to pull.


Limbaugh also started off in a trial market of Sacramento! He gradually built up his fan base. Air America isn't doing so well according to these numbers that I'm seeing and that includes those web sites!

well i dont watch foxnews because i dont like its people.

but i was under the impression that it was created as a conservative outfit. its certainly never given me any reason to think its not.

Actually it isn't a myth. The polls stated as such and this wasn't done by Fox News. :DThen why haven't you posted the results in full, or at least a link?

Limbaugh also started off in a trial market of Sacramento! He gradually built up his fan base. Air America isn't doing so well according to these numbers that I'm seeing and that includes those web sites!2 million individual internet streams is quite impressive no matter who you are--for a startup radio network that's only 3 months old, it's incredible. You can't get past it--Air America is doing better than most people projected it would even when critics thought it was fully capitalized. Considering that they were actually in debt when they started out (not that anyone knew that), they've more than exceeded expectations.

2 million individual internet streams is quite impressive no matter who you are--for a startup radio network that's only 3 months old, it's incredible. You can't get past it--Air America is doing better than most people projected it would even when critics thought it was fully capitalized. Considering that they were actually in debt when they started out (not that anyone knew that), they've more than exceeded expectations.

Doesn't matter if its streamed. I could stream my own radio station and people will listen to it, however the people don't want a one sided radio station. That is why Talk Radio is winning the ratings war. Yea I'll admit that its probably doing quite well in the cities but look who votes in the cities. However, overall, Air America isn't doing so well as people projected. Even donations aren't as high as they thought it was. They expected 30 Million, only got one fifth of that!