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*this is the level that George Bushs rampent corruption has brought us to, SAD

U.S. House Members Call for UN Monitors For 2004 Elections
Thirteen members of the House of Representatives has asked the United Nations to monitor the U.S. presidential election in November. The group of lawmakers points to the lack of federal oversight and says monitoring is needed to avert "another Florida." Several major civic groups, including Common Cause and Global Exchange, are also taking the unprecedented action of setting up election monitoring projects
www.democracynow.org

www.mkultra.com

actually I really hope this happens :)

This is what I'd like to do to the evil UN:

:sniper: :mp5: :gundge:


And anyone who says the UN isn't evil should consult the following books:

1. 46 Angry Men
2. Rebels, Mercenaries, and Dividends: The Katanga Story
3. Who Killed the Congo?
4. The Fearful Master: A Second Look at the United States
5. Global Tyranny...Step by Step
6. Inside the United Nations
7. The United Nations Exposed
8. Freedom on the Altar
9. Global Gun Grab

www.mkultra.com

actually I really hope this happens :)me2, heh

This is what I'd like to do to the evil UN:

:sniper: :mp5: :gundge:


And anyone who says the UN isn't evil should consult the following books:

1. 46 Angry Men
2. Rebels, Mercenaries, and Dividends: The Katanga Story
3. Who Killed the Congo?
4. The Fearful Master: A Second Look at the United States
5. Global Tyranny...Step by Step
6. Inside the United Nations
7. The United Nations Exposed
8. Freedom on the Altar
9. Global Gun Grab

*conspiracy alert, get your tin-foil!*

The UN has no real power- Bush's invasion of Iraq in violation of International Law proves it. How could they be evil overlords without any power to abck up their threats?

*conspiracy alert, get your tin-foil!*

The UN has no real power- Bush's invasion of Iraq in violation of International Law proves it. How could they be evil overlords without any power to abck up their threats?

Read the books before you judge, please.

(Howard Zinn :sniper: ;) )

This is what I'd like to do to the evil UN:

:sniper: :mp5: :gundge:


And anyone who says the UN isn't evil should consult the following books:

1. 46 Angry Men
2. Rebels, Mercenaries, and Dividends: The Katanga Story
3. Who Killed the Congo?
4. The Fearful Master: A Second Look at the United States
5. Global Tyranny...Step by Step
6. Inside the United Nations
7. The United Nations Exposed
8. Freedom on the Altar
9. Global Gun GrabI dont trust the UN either but I trust them more then I trust Bush

*this is the level that George Bushs rampent corruption has brought us to, SAD

U.S. House Members Call for UN Monitors For 2004 Elections
Thirteen members of the House of Representatives has asked the United Nations to monitor the U.S. presidential election in November. The group of lawmakers points to the lack of federal oversight and says monitoring is needed to avert "another Florida." Several major civic groups, including Common Cause and Global Exchange, are also taking the unprecedented action of setting up election monitoring projects
www.democracynow.org

Last I heard this bill was not even being debated or discussed and it won't pass. Its a ridiculous idea, and any monitoring should be carried out by Americans at the behest of local needs. Another point to make is that the person who wins isn't necessarily the person who gets the most votes since the electoral college chooses the winner. How would anyone monitor those individuals in charge of choosing who wins?

*this is the level that George Bushs rampent corruption has brought us to, SAD

U.S. House Members Call for UN Monitors For 2004 Elections
Thirteen members of the House of Representatives has asked the United Nations to monitor the U.S. presidential election in November. The group of lawmakers points to the lack of federal oversight and says monitoring is needed to avert "another Florida." Several major civic groups, including Common Cause and Global Exchange, are also taking the unprecedented action of setting up election monitoring projects
www.democracynow.org

Congressmen Ask for UN Interference in U.S. Elections

by Joseph A. D'Agostino
Jul 9, 2004

A group of liberal Democratic congressmen led by Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (Tex.) has sent a letter to the United Nations asking it to monitor this year's U.S. elections. "It is imperative that there be some type of independent monitoring for this fall's election," Johnson said at a July 8 press conference.

"The United Nations provides this assistance for other member countries. Why not the United States? We are not above the law," she said. "Nor are we above asking for assistance. We are hoping our action will alleviate the nightmare and the humiliation that many voters suffered at the ballot box and the voting machine during the 2000 election. African-Americans, women and other U.S. citizens have fought too hard and too long for us to allow our votes not to be counted. We have to instill some trust and accountability back in the process, or people will lose faith in the power of their vote."

In a letter to UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, the congressmen wrote, "We are deeply concerned that the right of U.S. citizens to vote in free and fair elections is again in jeopardy." Congressmen Corrine Brown, Julia Carson, William Lacy Clay, Joseph Crowley, Elijah Cummings, Danny Davis, Raul Grijalva, Michael Honda, Barbara Lee, Carolyn Maloney, Jerrold Nadler and Edolphus Towns also signed the letter.

Nadler was quoted by Roll Call (July 6) as charging that the Bush Administration doesn't care about fair elections. "I certainly do not trust the Bush Administration to be interested in an honest election," he said.

Legal experts said that the administration would have to allow UN monitoring before it could happen, which appears unlikely. Johnson said that she hoped UN would come in to "alleviate the nation from the suffering it took in 2000 when things went awry at the ballot box."

Well gee whiz, I guess if I'm not African-American or female, I'm just an "other U.S. citizen"? Thirteen out of how many Congressmen/women in Congress are asking for this? Oh yeah, there are currently 535 Members of Congress. So 13 out of 535 Congressmen want the U.N. to monitor the election? And the 13 asking are liberals? And the 13 that are all asking are liberal "minorities"?

Rampant corruption by George Bush? He's going to "fix" the election? And the U.N. Empire will watch over the election? Who's going to watch over the U.N. watching over the election? I sure as hell don't trust the U.N.

I guess if the election, by some chance, doesn't go their way they can now always say, "Hey, we asked for intervention and since we didn't get it and the liberals lost to Dubya, it must have been a rigged election!"

Smacks of Micheal Mooreism liberal fear factor grandstanding to me :rolleyes:

They're going to have to do better than 13 out of 535 ...

Actually, I would think that it would be a good idea just to stop any BS conspiracy theories that a US-run election would be sure to generate, especially in the Arab world.

It's an election. There are many countries that know how to run them. By turning it over the US can wash their hands of it, remove themselves from any perceived conflict of interest with some of the ex-pat candidates with prior ties to the CIA.

One less task and expense on the list to complete this mission.

Bush won't fix the election, but he could disrupt it due to the threat of Al Quaeda disrupting the elections.

With such fear-mongering near the elections, he'd take it easily or at least delay them.

This is what I'd like to do to the evil UN:

:sniper: :mp5: :gundge:


And anyone who says the UN isn't evil should consult the following books:

1. 46 Angry Men
2. Rebels, Mercenaries, and Dividends: The Katanga Story
3. Who Killed the Congo?
4. The Fearful Master: A Second Look at the United States
5. Global Tyranny...Step by Step
6. Inside the United Nations
7. The United Nations Exposed
8. Freedom on the Altar
9. Global Gun Grab

don't forget emergency sex, it was writen by two westerners who worked for the UN in the peace keeping division and saw the rampant corruption of their field opperations

*conspiracy alert, get your tin-foil!*

The UN has no real power- Bush's invasion of Iraq in violation of International Law proves it. How could they be evil overlords without any power to abck up their threats?

I hate to be the one to tell you this...but it was perfactly legal

I hate to be the one to tell you this...but it was perfactly legal

Sure it is, buddy. The UN still had no power to stop what it deemed illegal. There, is that better?

I dont trust the UN either but I trust them more then I trust Bush

food for oil

peace keepers in the congo

rawanda

SERBIETZA!!!!!!!!!

WHY DO YOU TRUST THEM MORE THAN BUSH????????????????

Last I heard this bill was not even being debated or discussed and it won't pass. Its a ridiculous idea, and any monitoring should be carried out by Americans at the behest of local needs. Another point to make is that the person who wins isn't necessarily the person who gets the most votes since the electoral college chooses the winner. How would anyone monitor those individuals in charge of choosing who wins?

actually, as far as I know, they're free to vote for who every they want

its under gentlmen's agreement

You mean they want the corrupt UN to alter the election in Kerry's favour? It is sad the left has to resort to this! I am voting for Bush out of protest! UN stay out of our system!

Sure it is, buddy. The UN still had no power to stop what it deemed illegal. There, is that better?

no, under SC resolution 1441 it was legal

no, under SC resolution 1441 it was legal

It was illegal, but there was no clause for invasion. Invasion as a result of violation of a resolution is not valid.

It was illegal, but there was no clause for invasion. Invasion as a result of violation of a resolution is not valid.

it reads all member nations are obligated to take what ever action is deemed nessecary

I belive invasion falls under any action

Read the books before you judge, please.

(Howard Zinn :sniper: ;) )

I think you know that no one is going to read 10 books worth of conspiratorial crap on the word of one who is posting anonymously.

it reads all member nations are obligated to take what ever action is deemed nessecary

I belive invasion falls under any action

Except that it was not deemed necessary by anyone else.

Except that it was not deemed necessary by anyone else.

it doesn't have to be

its perfactly legal anyway

maybe not reasonable

and in some eyes maybe not just

but perfactly legal

it doesn't have to be

its perfactly legal anyway

maybe not reasonable

and in some eyes maybe not just

but perfactly legal

You just said it did have to be nescessary, since it was in the resolution you just quoted that "as deemed nescessary."

Thus, the US invasion of Iraq by your own admission is illegal.

You just said it did have to be nescessary, since it was in the resolution you just quoted that "as deemed nescessary."

Thus, the US invasion of Iraq by your own admission is illegal.

be deemed nessecary my member states, not the SC

be deemed nessecary my member states, not the SC

It says that... where?

In fact, my copy of R1441 says nothing of the sort besides - "Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations;"

Its all part of FEMAs master plan along with Icarus...

If anyone has played Deus Ex you'd know what I mean!

I think you know that no one is going to read 10 books worth of conspiratorial crap on the word of one who is posting anonymously.

How do you know whether it's crap or not? Ever read any of the damn books? Mind you, Rebels, Dividends, and Mercenaries and 46 Angry Men were written by people who witnessed the UN's massacre in Katanga first-hand. Global Gun Grab, Global Tyranny, and Freedom on the Altar were written by men who actually attended many UN conferences and have studied the organization since its inception. So, get the facts before you call something 'crap.'

Its all part of FEMAs master plan along with Icarus...

If anyone has played Deus Ex you'd know what I mean!

I love FEMA's master plans

you should start a threat on them and make sure everyone knows what they are (serious)

even if they are evil, they're very well layed out

You just said it did have to be nescessary, since it was in the resolution you just quoted that "as deemed nescessary."

Thus, the US invasion of Iraq by your own admission is illegal.

it's either in that or in a follow up resolution that you will find the enforcement clasue (if it wasn't we'd have been kicked out of the GA)

Alright, I'll get the facts. Do the books involve anything like the U.N wants to take over the world and enforce its evil godless agenda on everyone?

The U.N is made up of the countries its supposed to keep in line. But thats made up for by the fact that its people without much of a particular agenda who do the work. I know people who have worked for the U.N and they are great and interesting Individuals.

Alright, I'll get the facts. Do the books involve anything like the U.N wants to take over the world and enforce its evil godless agenda on everyone?

The U.N is made up of the countries its supposed to keep in line. But thats made up for by the fact that its people without much of a particular agenda who do the work. I know people who have worked for the U.N and they are great and interesting Individuals.

Well, the last four-five books on the list might lean a little in that direction at times, but at least two of them (46 Angry Men and Rebels, Mercenaries, and Dividends) were written by pro-UN individuals. And by the way, sorry I was rude to you back there.

It says that... where?

In fact, my copy of R1441 says nothing of the sort besides - "Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations;"

SC resolution 660 authorised the used of any means nessecary if it and subsequent resolutions were breached

and SC resolution decided that iraq was in material breach of these resolutions

what now

SC resolution 660 authorised the used of any means nessecary if it and subsequent resolutions were breached

and SC resolution decided that iraq was in material breach of these resolutions

what now

Check the "No WMDs" poll thread, we're having the same argument over two nearby threads and I can't be botehred to post my response twice.

You mean they want the corrupt UN to alter the election in Kerry's favour? It is sad the left has to resort to this! I am voting for Bush out of protest! UN stay out of our system!

Isn't it amazing how MANY problems there were and have been with elections in Florida, though, in 2004 and in following elections? Let the UN send observers to make sure nothing funny is going on. I don't say let them RUN it, but what's the harm in having an extra set of eyes?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/12/presidential/index.html
Considering the latest Gallup poll puts Kerry very slightly ahead, wouldn't it be best to have a third party ensure neither side feels the other cheated?

The UN is an anti American, useless organization. Personally I think every nation should do whats best for themselves and fight wars when the major disagreement starts. As for the UN monitoring this election if they did it would be as screwed up as a one man rock fight.

Read the books before you judge, please.

(Howard Zinn :sniper: ;) )

So, nobody can talk to you unless they've read a pile of conspiracy theory books?

Wait...don't answer that yet! Read the entire Encyclopedia Britannica and "The War of The Roses" before you answer me please.

So, nobody can talk to you unless they've read a pile of conspiracy theory books?

Wait...don't answer that yet! Read the entire Encyclopedia Britannica and "The War of The Roses" before you answer me please.

Damn it, they're not 'conspiracy theory' books! I told you, 46 Angry Men and Rebels, Mercenaries, and Dividends were written by people who witnessed first-hand the UN's massacre in Katanga, and Global Tyranny, The United Nations Exposed, Global Gun Grab, and Freedom on the Altar were written by men who attended many UN conferences and have studied the organization and drew most of their information from UN-friendly sources or the UN itself. And I never said 'nobody can talk to me unless they...' I simply said, anyone who praises the UN should read those books. It'll probably change their mind.

Damn it, they're not 'conspiracy theory' books! I told you, 46 Angry Men and Rebels, Mercenaries, and Dividends were written by people who witnessed first-hand the UN's massacre in Katanga, and Global Tyranny, The United Nations Exposed, Global Gun Grab, and Freedom on the Altar were written by men who attended many UN conferences and have studied the organization and drew most of their information from UN-friendly sources or the UN itself. And I never said 'nobody can talk to me unless they...' I simply said, anyone who praises the UN should read those books. It'll probably change their mind.

...and I still think anyone that hates the UN should read the Encyclopedia Britannica and "The war of the roses".

...and I still think anyone that hates the UN should read the Encyclopedia Britannica and "The war of the roses".

Very well, I shall do so. Mind giving me a brief summary, please?

Very well, I shall do so. Mind giving me a brief summary, please?

Sorry, I'm too busy reading those "UN sucksorz" books...

Add to your lists; 'Brain Droppings' by George Carlin. :)

Add to your lists; 'Brain Droppings' by George Carlin. :)

I shall do so. Is it pro-UN, anti-UN, both, or neither?

I shall do so. Is it pro-UN, anti-UN, both, or neither?

If I had to assign a theme to it, I would say it is neither. It's basic premise is that society is crashing and burning, but the trip down can be pretty fun.

Add to your lists; 'Brain Droppings' by George Carlin. :)

Victorian smut is usually good reading too... Absolutely necessary before you can even speak to me.

Considering the latest Gallup poll puts Kerry very slightly ahead, wouldn't it be best to have a third party ensure neither side feels the other cheated?

For starters, only the Left would be the ones screaming that the conservatives cheated. Conservatives tend to have more dignity than to stoop to childish absurdity like that. They take the self-respect high road, unlike a good deal of the Left....

Secondly, it is disgusting to think that this nation would be so degenerated and so humiliated as to let the corrupt, tyranny-supporting United Nations monitor our own elections. For God's sake, why don't they just put 'ole Kofi on the ballot. (That last line there was a joke, by the way.)

For starters, only the Left would be the ones screaming that the conservatives cheated. Conservatives tend to have more dignity than to stoop to childish absurdity like that. They take the self-respect high road, unlike a good deal of the Left....

Secondly, it is disgusting to think that this nation would be so degenerated and so humiliated as to let the corrupt, tyranny-supporting United Nations monitor our own elections. For God's sake, why don't they just put 'ole Kofi on the ballot. (That last line there was a joke, by the way.)

Seems to me that the 'high road' would be to be absolutely certain that the people's voice is heard. Though I agree with your take on the Democrats, I ought to point out that the Republicans seemed more concerned with claiming victory than with assuring the mandate of the masses was heard.

For starters, only the Left would be the ones screaming that the conservatives cheated. Conservatives tend to have more dignity than to stoop to childish absurdity like that. They take the self-respect high road, unlike a good deal of the Left....

Secondly, it is disgusting to think that this nation would be so degenerated and so humiliated as to let the corrupt, tyranny-supporting United Nations monitor our own elections. For God's sake, why don't they just put 'ole Kofi on the ballot. (That last line there was a joke, by the way.)

Dude, you forgot to put:

"Me!"

Dude, you forgot to put:

"Me!"

Ah! I guess you're right....well, I'll make up for that:

Me!

For starters, only the Left would be the ones screaming that the conservatives cheated. Conservatives tend to have more dignity than to stoop to childish absurdity like that. They take the self-respect high road, unlike a good deal of the Left....

Secondly, it is disgusting to think that this nation would be so degenerated and so humiliated as to let the corrupt, tyranny-supporting United Nations monitor our own elections. For God's sake, why don't they just put 'ole Kofi on the ballot. (That last line there was a joke, by the way.)



come on during the florida recount the republicans sent organized bands of thugs in to intimidate the ballot counters, more dignity my ass.

Seems to me that the 'high road' would be to be absolutely certain that the people's voice is heard. Though I agree with your take on the Democrats, I ought to point out that the Republicans seemed more concerned with claiming victory than with assuring the mandate of the masses was heard.

Actually, I would say that while both sides are of course concerned with claiming victory, the Democrats seem to be the ones who are so obessed with getting the President out of office that they are willing to do anything to accomplish that. During the Democratic primaries (and the debates), you never heard that "I will make a good President because of...." All you heard was the continual attacks on the President....

And in regards to the 'high road,' I was referring to the fact that conservatives tend to have more self-respect and more emphasis on dignity than a good deal of liberals...I'm not saying all liberals, because I don't over-generalize....I'm saying 'a good deal' of them....

Me!

come on during the florida recount the republicans sent organized bands of thugs in to intimidate the ballot counters, more dignity my ass.

Proof? Unbiased sources?

Me!

Actually, I would say that while both sides are of course concerned with claiming victory, the Democrats seem to be the ones who are so obessed with getting the President out of office that they are willing to do anything to accomplish that. During the Democratic primaries (and the debates), you never heard that "I will make a good President because of...." All you heard was the continual attacks on the President....

And in regards to the 'high road,' I was referring to the fact that conservatives tend to have more self-respect and more emphasis on dignity than a good deal of liberals...I'm not saying all liberals, because I don't over-generalize....I'm saying 'a good deal' of them....

Me!

Oh, c'mon. Ted drops his pants once, and liberals get a bad name? ;)

Oh, c'mon. Ted drops his pants once, and liberals get a bad name? ;)
Don't go for a car ride without your water-wings, either ;)

Don't go for a car ride without your water-wings, either ;)

So he forgot the girl. After the alcohol and the car wreck, you'd be forgetful too. ;)

Proof? Unbiased sources?

Me!
unbiased sources, what would those be.

how about this the republicans spent the entire clinton administration making personal attacks on the first lady, when have the democrats ever attacked either mrs. bush.

the republicans attacked janet reno for being ugly and manish, when have the democrats attacked bush's cabinet members for their personal appearance.

the republican had bumper sticks during the clinton administration saying "charlton heston is my president" but them call dems traitors for questioning bush.

...Dude, you don't know who George Carlin is?



For shame...



Look, you're ALL IDIOTS. BOTH SIDES ATTACK EACH OTHER. OMGWTF!!!

I'm sick of hearing "well, the RIGHT WING ATTACK MACHINE..." or "well, the LEFT ACTIVIST ATTACKERS..."

Are you stupid? Or just blind? Go to both Kerry's and Bush's website-practically ALL of the god damn ads there are against the other!

ARGH! Grow a brain and/or some eyes >_<



Footnote: Scrand, saying "Oh what now" only makes you seem like a complete idiot. I wouldn't recommend doing it again. Only idiot teenagers who think they're all hip and gangster like do that.

Footnote: Scrand, saying "Oh what now" only makes you seem like a complete idiot. I wouldn't recommend doing it again. Only idiot teenagers who think they're all hip and gangster like do that.
Oh what now...
another grammar nazi

...gangsters, since when did gangsters start saying "oh what now" my grandma said it, and she really wasn't from the streets.

I'm not a grammer natzi -_-. I just hate it when people use idiotic phrases.


Oh, and real gansters don't say that. Only the stupid teenage "I wanna be ghetto!" kind that has spread like some kind of "stupid infection."


And HOW does your grandma use "oh what now?" Because it was used as a challenge-a rather idiotic one at that.

how about this the republicans spent the entire clinton administration making personal attacks on the first lady, when have the democrats ever attacked either mrs. bush.

Few people attack Laura Bush because she's not hogging the spotlight like Hillary was...and still is.....


the republicans attacked janet reno for being ugly and manish, when have the democrats attacked bush's cabinet members for their personal appearance.

Um......Janet Reno is ugly and mannish.....that one is well-deserved....

the republican had bumper sticks during the clinton administration saying "charlton heston is my president" but them call dems traitors for questioning bush.

I have several of the bumper stickers you're talking about. Saying that Chartlon Heston is your President is merely saying that you didn't like Bill Clinton as President......

Me!

*this is the level that George Bushs rampent corruption has brought us to, SADNot exactly. This is the level that some Democrats have brought us to. They are very upset that they lost the election in 2000, and want to see to it they don't lose this time, even if they do.
U.S. House Members Call for UN Monitors For 2004 Elections
Thirteen members of the House of Representatives has asked the United Nations to monitor the U.S. presidential election in November. The group of lawmakers points to the lack of federal oversight and says monitoring is needed to avert "another Florida." Several major civic groups, including Common Cause and Global Exchange, are also taking the unprecedented action of setting up election monitoring projects
www.democracynow.orgwow. Sounds like a really reliable source.
Liberal news sites aren't going to convince as many people as, say, CNN. I know this issue is true, but you have quoted sites like this for many different topics. I'm not berating you, TRA, I'm just suggesting that in the future you quote from more reliable sources.

In my opinion, the left should own up that they lost the election, fair and square. Both sides were spinning the election.
Examples:
>Cigarettes for Votes
>Call to Disregard Absentee Ballots (soldiers are typically conservative)
>College students voting 3, 4 times (college students are typically liberal)
>Recount after Recount after Recount (hanging chads, dimpled chads, pregnant chads ("these impressions you can barely see mean that this person really... really... wanted to vote for Gore, but didn't have the strength to push the stylus through the paper."))
>Attempting to change the recount laws to benefit Gore
>Attempting to rig the recount ("She was poking and prodding the ballot in a way that could effect the way it was read")

I chose not to list the right-wing spin, because you are probably more aware of it than I am.

Needless to say, the past is irrevocable. There's no point to debating the 2000 election further.

I'll be brief. There is no need for UN supervision because we should have the right to carry out our own elections. Both sides (and I mean both sides) need to own up to the fact that their candidate may very well lose the election.

For starters, only the Left would be the ones screaming that the conservatives cheated. Conservatives tend to have more dignity than to stoop to childish absurdity like that. They take the self-respect high road, unlike a good deal of the Left....

Secondly, it is disgusting to think that this nation would be so degenerated and so humiliated as to let the corrupt, tyranny-supporting United Nations monitor our own elections. For God's sake, why don't they just put 'ole Kofi on the ballot. (That last line there was a joke, by the way.)

Or you could take the smart road and stoop to childish absurdity but make everyone think that you dont. There aint nuthin wrong with the UN monitoring elections. They only watch and publish a report. The juding by the way that felons were excluded, which perhaps may be arguably the correct decision. The fact that non felons with the same name were excluded was an irregularity. And they send the monitors in when there are irregularities.