NationStates Jolt Archive


Not a Threat

Whittier
17-07-2004, 21:03
Gay marriage no threat

Once again there have been letters claiming marriage is under attack by those whose cultures or lifestyles are different from those of the authors.

The authors are trying to convince us to accept a change to the constitution that would set a dangerous precedent. A precedent that would have very lethal consequences for the American heritage of individual freedoms and individual rights.

If we ban gay marriages by constitutional amendment, on the excuse that it is a threat to the moral fiber of society, then it becomes no great leap to say we should amend the constitution to require people to become Christians and donate their hard-earned money to a church they don't agree with.

It becomes no great leap to change the constitution to ban political or religious speech the majority finds offensive.

And as you know, there are many people calling for just that.

It becomes no great leap to use the marriage amendment as a precedent to take away people's rights to choose where they will live and work.

Hell, while we are at it, why not ban certain forms of art that Christians find offensive due to the fact they depict nudity.

Let us ban all strip clubs. Some of your male readers may like to look at Playboy, but under the precedent a marriage amendment would impose, Playboy would be banned and being in possession of a Playboy would be illegal.

Even a woman's right to choose is in jeopardy in this issue. Under this deadly and evil precedent that the supporters of the marriage amendment seek to set, the rights of parents can be and will be stripped away by the federal government.

I must ask readers to answer an important question. What do they value more? The rights of individuals from government intrusion and trespass, or the right of a minority of Christian fanatics to not be offended by other cultures or lifestyles?

Is it more important to have the government enforce Bible laws or is it more important to maintain the constitutional ban against unreasonable searches and seizures? And what of the 11th amendment that basically states that marriage is a state issue?

Are Americans really willing to rescind some of our most fundamental freedoms just so some tiny minority of Christians and bigots don't have to be offended?

I say no.

The religious fanatics that make up this minority have failed to prove that gay marriages destroy heterosexual marriages. Divorce rates were already the highest in the world before the subject of gay marriage even came up. This also goes for the problem of broken homes and deadbeat parents. It also applies to the problem of adultery, yet 80 percent of adulterous relationships is with a member of the opposite sex.

I end with a direct challenge to the supporters of the amendment. You say gay marriage is a threat to heterosexual marriage. That it is a threat to your own marriage. Indeed to your whole family. My challenge is this: Prove it.

found this on the web.
Katganistan
17-07-2004, 21:07
What I wonder is why people feel so threatened by gay marriage?

It's not as if either partner involved in such a committed relationship would be happy with a heterosexual relationship -- so it's certainly not a situation of "they're stealing our wo/men!"

Why anyone should concern themselves with the private lives of consenting adults I shall never know.

How exactly IS it a threat to marriage? I'm hetero. I'm engaged to be married. I don't see Sue and Sally or Bob and Ted as any threat to me.
Incertonia
17-07-2004, 21:13
DId you see the bit Jon Stewart did on the Daily Show a couple of days ago about the gay marriage debate? Some of the funniest shit ever. Go to the Daily Show website and look for the clip named "The Boys in the Ban" and listen for the bit about the Wonder Twin powers genital activation.
Letila
17-07-2004, 21:41
Conservatives, they're so afraid of sex.
Ashmoria
17-07-2004, 21:48
i find it SO romantic that gay couples will rush to wherever in the country they are issuing marriage licenses.

straight couples can barely bother to get married before their children graduate highschool, yet these couples who have no reason to marry other than love, rush to get it done no matter how far they have to go

its enough to make you believe in love.
Katganistan
17-07-2004, 22:34
i find it SO romantic that gay couples will rush to wherever in the country they are issuing marriage licenses.

straight couples can barely bother to get married before their children graduate highschool, yet these couples who have no reason to marry other than love, rush to get it done no matter how far they have to go

its enough to make you believe in love.

Hey, no kids here, Ashmoria, but you do have a point.

Heck, there are enormous numbers of parents who never get married -- or who have multiple kids from multiple relationships.

Sounds pretty stable to me. ;)
The Black New World
17-07-2004, 22:43
i find it SO romantic that gay couples will rush to wherever in the country they are issuing marriage licenses.

straight couples can barely bother to get married before their children graduate highschool, yet these couples who have no reason to marry other than love, rush to get it done no matter how far they have to go

its enough to make you believe in love.

There was a news story on the BBC a wile back about how marriage between a man and a women is not as common but gay marriage is increasing in popularity. Even if though there is no legal benefit.

I'll try and find it.
The Black New World
17-07-2004, 22:55
Heck, there are enormous numbers of parents who never get married -- or who have multiple kids from multiple relationships.

Sounds pretty stable to me. ;)
It depends on what works for different people I suppose. Personally my life would have been hell if my Mum and Dad got married and, of course, I know people who are the exact opposite.
Schrandtopia
17-07-2004, 23:04
yet 80 percent of adulterous relationships is with a member of the opposite sex.
well, seeing as how our population is only 4% homosexual that would mean (if I got my math right) that homosexuals commit more than 5 times the adultery heterosexuals do
Schrandtopia
17-07-2004, 23:06
Conservatives, they're so afraid of sex.

no, they just listen to religious leaders
Colerica
17-07-2004, 23:31
Conservatives, they're so afraid of sex.

Liberals, they so over-generalize....

Me!
Letila
17-07-2004, 23:41
Liberals, they so over-generalize....

I'm an anarcho-communist, not a liberal.

no, they just listen to religious leaders

If a religious leader told you eating was a sin, would you take him seriously?

"Believe. Obey. Fight."

That is some rather bad advice, if you ask me.
Zeppistan
17-07-2004, 23:41
Gee. can't everyone see how if the gay couple down the road suddenly got ... a piace of paper ... that it would TOTALLY negate the worth of the vows I made to my wife?

Sheesh - it's Sooooooooooooooooooo obvious!

:headbang:



Here endeth the sarcasm....
Incertonia
18-07-2004, 00:08
Maybe there really is some sort of chemical reaction that occurs when one man's penis contacts another man's butt that sends out a family-destructo-ray. I don't know--it makes about as much sense as the rest of arguments against homosexuality and allowing same-sex couples to marry.
Colerica
18-07-2004, 00:09
I'm an anarcho-communist, not a liberal.

And there's a difference, how? Anarcho-Communists are on the far-left fringe of the policital spectrum. They are liberals. All the term liberal means is one who tends to support change. All conservative means is one who tends to resist change. Let me guess, you're a fan of Noam Chomsky?

On the flip-side of that, Anarcho-Capitalists are about as far right as you can humanly get. An anarchist, by nature, is on the far right. (Left = more gov't, right = less gov't.)


That is some rather bad advice, if you ask me.

Yes, it most likely is not good advice. However, it's my nation's motto. ("Believe. Obey. Fight" was featured on several signs in Mussolini's Italy, by the way.) My nation defitnitely does not reflect my personal political views. My nation is a staunch fascist (not Nazi Germany or Mussolini's Italy, think Roman Empire) empire. I'm by no measure a supporter or advocater of a fascist empire......or any kind of empire, for that matter...I want gov't to be as small as humanly possible...I believe in personal responsibility and individual freedoms....

Me!
The Black New World
18-07-2004, 09:57
And there's a difference, how? Anarcho-Communists are on the far-left fringe of the policital spectrum. They are liberals. All the term liberal means is one who tends to support change. All conservative means is one who tends to resist change. Let me guess, you're a fan of Noam Chomsky?

On the flip-side of that, Anarcho-Capitalists are about as far right as you can humanly get. An anarchist, by nature, is on the far right. (Left = more gov't, right = less gov't.)

You didn't.
Monkeypimp
18-07-2004, 11:23
no, they just listen to religious leaders

Who tell them not to wank.


If I couldn't fuck or wank I'd go insane from sheer frustration. A mate of mine tried the 40 days 40 nights thing and went mental.