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... same as the old boss

from: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/16/1089694568757.html?oneclick=true

Iyad Allawi, the new Prime Minister of Iraq, pulled a pistol and executed as many as six suspected insurgents at a Baghdad police station, just days before Washington handed control of the country to his interim government, according to two people who allege they witnessed the killings.

They say the prisoners - handcuffed and blindfolded - were lined up against a wall in a courtyard adjacent to the maximum-security cell block in which they were held at the Al-Amariyah security center, in the city's south-western suburbs.

They say Dr Allawi told onlookers the victims had each killed as many as 50 Iraqis and they "deserved worse than death".

The Prime Minister's office has denied the entirety of the witness accounts in a written statement to the Herald, saying Dr Allawi had never visited the center and he did not carry a gun.

But the informants told the Herald that Dr Allawi shot each young man in the head as about a dozen Iraqi policemen and four Americans from the Prime Minister's personal security team watched in stunned silence.

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Not saying this IS true. Not saying it isn't.

But if it is..... then $200B was just spent to replace Saddam with his twin!

six terrorists vs. humdreds of thousands of innocent women and children

right

no difference

none what so ever

six terrorists vs. humdreds of thousands of innocent women and children

right

no difference

none what so ever

How many people have to be killed before it is wrong? 10? 100? 1000?

And you'll note 'suspected terrorists.'

I suspect George W. Bush of being a terrorist. Shall I put a bullet in the back of his head?

Killings done in injustice are called "murders."

The only difference here is scale.

six terrorists vs. humdreds of thousands of innocent women and children

right

no difference

none what so ever

You honestly comparing a 30 year record to a month?

Two of the first things Allawi did upon gaining power was to a) declare martial law, and b) take responsability for calling in air strikes into residential neighbourhoods in Falluja. The death toll in those bombings was primarily women and children.

Does that remind you of anybody else too?

How many people have to be killed before it is wrong? 10? 100? 1000?

And you'll note 'suspected terrorists.'

I suspect George W. Bush of being a terrorist. Shall I put a bullet in the back of his head?


(remember, this is all a rumer) I never said it was right, but face it

hes no saddam

You honestly comparing a 30 year record to a month?

Two of the first things Allawi did upon gaining power was to a) declare martial law, and b) take responsability for calling in air strikes into residential neighbourhoods in Falluja. The death toll in those bombings was primarily women and children.

Does that remind you of anybody else too?

are you telling me that if you were in charge of Iraq the first thing you would do would be somthing other than declaire a state of emergencey?

how do you know that?

are you telling me that if you were in charge of Iraq the first thing you would do would be somthing other than declaire a state of emergencey?

how do you know that?

No, I'm not saying that. I'm not sure that I'd stand up and take responsability for bombing women and children though.

I have stated that this is a new news item, and that I can not ascertain the truth of it. I am stating that so far I do not see democracy breaking out all over. And I am stating that I sincerely hope that this does not turn out to be an exercise in exhanging strongmen despot dictators such as we saw throughout the 60's, 70's, and 80s in places like Central America and Asia.

But I am not terribly hopeful in that regard at this point.

Iraq deserves better than that.

No, I'm not saying that. I'm not sure that I'd stand up and take responsability for bombing women and children though.

I have stated that this is a new news item, and that I can not ascertain the truth of it. I am stating that so far I do not see democracy breaking out all over. And I am stating that I sincerely hope that this does not turn out to be an exercise in exhanging strongmen despot dictators such as we saw throughout the 60's, 70's, and 80s in places like Central America and Asia.

But I am not terribly hopeful in that regard at this point.

Iraq deserves better than that.

so if you were in charge of Iraq, what would you be doing that hasn't already been done

so if you were in charge of Iraq, what would you be doing that hasn't already been done

Frankly, I think the chance to make a decent success of it passed months ago. Getting handed that place now would be a nightmare.

More to the point, I wouldn't have gone in in the first place because I knew that this would be a mess. Anyone who has studied any regional history knew that.

But you have raised an interesting challenge. I will think about it and try to write up something over the next day or so. Right now I have a promise to a six year old to build something out of Lego that I have to fulfill.

Frankly, I think the chance to make a decent success of it passed months ago. Getting handed that place now would be a nightmare.

More to the point, I wouldn't have gone in in the first place because I knew that this would be a mess. Anyone who has studied any regional history knew that.

But you have raised an interesting challenge. I will think about it and try to write up something over the next day or so. Right now I have a promise to a six year old to build something out of Lego that I have to fulfill.

so your saying that you, nor anyother human being could have done better and your just really cynical and like blaming people for things that no one in that position could have avoided

... same as the old boss

from: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/16/1089694568757.html?oneclick=true



Not saying this IS true. Not saying it isn't.

But if it is..... then $200B was just spent to replace Saddam with his twin!

Haha I heard this story Zeppistan! Its a nice myth! An urban legend in Iraq actually.

You honestly comparing a 30 year record to a month?

Two of the first things Allawi did upon gaining power was to a) declare martial law, and b) take responsability for calling in air strikes into residential neighbourhoods in Falluja. The death toll in those bombings was primarily women and children.

Does that remind you of anybody else too?

Hmm actually the death toll were terrorists and that has been proven! Don't know what media you listen too but casualties were terrorists in those attacks, not women and children!

Hmm actually the death toll were terrorists and that has been proven! Don't know what media you listen too but casualties were terrorists in those attacks, not women and children!

Really?

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/reuters20040706_9.html

Not according to the head of security in Falluja - the guy appointed to that task by the Americans!

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1040621/asp/foreign/story_3396906.asp

so your saying that you, nor anyother human being could have done better and your just really cynical and like blaming people for things that no one in that position could have avoided

No. I did not say that at all. I AM saying that the job has been so baddly missmanaged for over a year now that it has possibly become untenable at this point and that it would be an extremely dificult task for even the most seasoned diplomatic strategist. I have nowhere stated that it could not have been far better managed from day one leaving things in a far better position now.

So don't be putting words in my mouth . Please.

I find it amusing that the same people that attack Bush for not substantiating information before invading Iraq are now the same people gorging themselves on this unsubstantiated article.

:eek:

No. I did not say that at all. I AM saying that the job has been so baddly missmanaged for over a year now that it has possibly become untenable at this point and that it would be an extremely dificult task for even the most seasoned diplomatic strategist. I have nowhere stated that it could not have been far better managed from day one leaving things in a far better position now.

So don't be putting words in my mouth . Please.

you blambed the PM for calling in an air strike

Hardly becomming of a Head of state to be personally executing prisoners.

Hardly becomming of a Head of state to be personally executing prisoners.

remember, in order to be a prisoner they have to soldiers first (that is, if the rumors are true)

and why not, Washington orderd deserters shot before his eyes by their friends