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From The Toronto Star

Come back to Sarnia, Mike
Mayor seeks citizenship for filmmaker
Criticizes Elections Act prosecution bid


DEBRA BLACK
STAFF REPORTER

If Sarnia Mayor Mike Bradley has his way, documentary filmmaker Michael Moore will soon be an honorary citizen of his town.

Bradley has offered Moore the key to his city in an attempt to stave off what he believes would be a "frivolous abuse" of the elections law by a group of young Ontario Conservatives.

A Queen's University student and president of the Ontario Campus Conservatives has launched a Web site and online petition calling on Elections Canada to charge Moore with interfering in the recent federal election. When Moore was in Toronto during the election, promoting his film Fahrenheit 9/11, he urged Canadians to rally against Conservative leader Stephen Harper.

According to the Canada Elections Act, it is an offence for anyone who is not a Canadian citizen and does not live in Canada to "in any way induce electors to vote or refrain from voting or vote or refrain from voting for a particular candidate" during an election period.

So Bradley, not short on creativity or humour, wants to make Moore a "de-facto Canadian" with all the rights and privileges that come with citizenship. And he's written to Canada's chief electoral officer advising him of his offer.

"Making him a honorary Canadian will give him the right to whine, bitch, moan, complain about taxation and the high level of taxes and then move forward and pay his tax bill and vote for the government in power," he wrote in his cheeky letter to chief electoral officer Jean-Pierre Kingsley. "While we do not have equality with the value of our dollar with the United States, we certainly have equality with the right wing and their stupidity," he wrote. "It was always amazing to me that a group of individuals who promoted and believed in free trade do not believe in the freedom of ideas and political opinion."

Bradley's invitation to Moore may well be tongue-in-cheek, but it is not surprising from the man who once tried to have Lake Chipican, a tiny lake near Lake Huron, designated as another Great Lake.

The 48-year-old Sarnia mayor admits he has a soft spot for Moore. Bradley briefly appeared in Moore's Bowling for Columbine, comparing Canadian and American society.

"Basically I said what a good society does for its citizens and that you give them a chance to succeed," Bradley said in an interview yesterday. "He called me the voice of reason," he said, chuckling. "No one has ever called me that in the 20 years I've been in politics."

But Sarnia's mayor insists his sarcastic and humorous note to Elections Canada and his offer to Moore is sincere. "This is a frivolous abuse of the Elections Canada process to try to persecute and prosecute Michael Moore," said Bradley who has also faxed a copy of his letter to one of Moore's associates to give to the documentary maker.

Whatever Elections Canada does, Bradley hopes Moore accepts. "I'd be delighted if he wanted to come to Sarnia and we could screen Bowling and Fahrenheit 9/11. We're a border city and we're very sensitive to the new climate in the U.S."

Moore could not be reached for comment.

Meanwhile, Elections Canada — in an unintentional parody seemingly right out of a Michael Moore film — would not "confirm or deny the existence of any complaint or investigation" into the filmmaker.

Bradley also took a shot at the federal Liberals, parodying a famous quote by homespun American humorist Will Rogers. "I do not belong to an organized political party — I am a federal Liberal, " he concluded in his letter to Kingsley.Come back to Sarnia, Mike
Mayor seeks citizenship for filmmaker
Criticizes Elections Act prosecution bid


DEBRA BLACK
STAFF REPORTER

If Sarnia Mayor Mike Bradley has his way, documentary filmmaker Michael Moore will soon be an honorary citizen of his town.

Bradley has offered Moore the key to his city in an attempt to stave off what he believes would be a "frivolous abuse" of the elections law by a group of young Ontario Conservatives.

A Queen's University student and president of the Ontario Campus Conservatives has launched a Web site and online petition calling on Elections Canada to charge Moore with interfering in the recent federal election. When Moore was in Toronto during the election, promoting his film Fahrenheit 9/11, he urged Canadians to rally against Conservative leader Stephen Harper.

According to the Canada Elections Act, it is an offence for anyone who is not a Canadian citizen and does not live in Canada to "in any way induce electors to vote or refrain from voting or vote or refrain from voting for a particular candidate" during an election period.

So Bradley, not short on creativity or humour, wants to make Moore a "de-facto Canadian" with all the rights and privileges that come with citizenship. And he's written to Canada's chief electoral officer advising him of his offer.

"Making him a honorary Canadian will give him the right to whine, bitch, moan, complain about taxation and the high level of taxes and then move forward and pay his tax bill and vote for the government in power," he wrote in his cheeky letter to chief electoral officer Jean-Pierre Kingsley. "While we do not have equality with the value of our dollar with the United States, we certainly have equality with the right wing and their stupidity," he wrote. "It was always amazing to me that a group of individuals who promoted and believed in free trade do not believe in the freedom of ideas and political opinion."

Bradley's invitation to Moore may well be tongue-in-cheek, but it is not surprising from the man who once tried to have Lake Chipican, a tiny lake near Lake Huron, designated as another Great Lake.

The 48-year-old Sarnia mayor admits he has a soft spot for Moore. Bradley briefly appeared in Moore's Bowling for Columbine, comparing Canadian and American society.

"Basically I said what a good society does for its citizens and that you give them a chance to succeed," Bradley said in an interview yesterday. "He called me the voice of reason," he said, chuckling. "No one has ever called me that in the 20 years I've been in politics."

But Sarnia's mayor insists his sarcastic and humorous note to Elections Canada and his offer to Moore is sincere. "This is a frivolous abuse of the Elections Canada process to try to persecute and prosecute Michael Moore," said Bradley who has also faxed a copy of his letter to one of Moore's associates to give to the documentary maker.

Whatever Elections Canada does, Bradley hopes Moore accepts. "I'd be delighted if he wanted to come to Sarnia and we could screen Bowling and Fahrenheit 9/11. We're a border city and we're very sensitive to the new climate in the U.S."

Moore could not be reached for comment.

Meanwhile, Elections Canada — in an unintentional parody seemingly right out of a Michael Moore film — would not "confirm or deny the existence of any complaint or investigation" into the filmmaker.

Bradley also took a shot at the federal Liberals, parodying a famous quote by homespun American humorist Will Rogers. "I do not belong to an organized political party — I am a federal Liberal, " he concluded in his letter to Kingsley.
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I'll start the flaming:

"Michael Moore is fat!"

:eek: on no! Micheal Moore had an opinion about Canadian Elections and voiced them! :rolleyes:

Stupid law; how is Moore supposed to know about this law in the first place? I wonder if they have an "Ignorance of the Law is no excuse" clause. Probably. Well if he can't escape punishment then so be it and oh wellz0rz. But frankely I don't see anything wrong with trying to get out of being punished for somethign so trivial.

hey yer right Moore is fat... and that has what to do with what?

oh yeah! YAY for the MAJOR Success of Farenheit 9/11 and thanks to the Republicans who put up such a stink about it, that it made it even MOORE popular. har har

Of the three major movies debuting that weekend it made the most and it was in 1/3 the theaters.

:eek: on no! Micheal Moore had an opinion about Canadian Elections and voiced them! :rolleyes:

Stupid law; how is Moore supposed to know about this law in the first place? I wonder if they have an "Ignorance of the Law is no excuse" clause. Probably. Well if he can't escape punishment then so be it and oh wellz0rz. But frankely I don't see anything wrong with trying to get out of being punished for somethign so trivial.

Yes, there is a clause like that here. And it can be used.

I hope he goes to Canada. Moore is a fat moron.

to all of those who hate Moore and like Bush, go to my friends web site,
http://s3.invisionfree.com/death_to_MOORE

to all of those who hate Moore and like Bush, go to my friends web site,
http://s3.invisionfree.com/death_to_MOORE


lmfao!

that is hilarious. Is that really an entire messageboard that is concerned only with hopes for Micheal Moores death? I mean... it's a... joke..... right?

Wait a moment... you Canadian scu... er... Canadians constantly tell Americans how to vote, whether it's near an election or not... freaking socialists! Hypocricy I say! Hypocricy!

Wait a moment... you Canadian scu... er... Canadians constantly tell Americans how to vote, whether it's near an election or not... freaking socialists! Hypocricy I say! Hypocricy!


hmmm, but its actually the conservatives that brought the charges right? Not the more socialist liberal minded ones.

Canadians shoulden't have anything to do with our elections

What now? Has the United States stopped accepting criticism? Is she not the Beacon of Freedom which allows citizens to do most what they would like to do? Has the spirit of freedom of speech evaporated into oblivion?

Let Moore say what he likes and doesn't like and let you decide for yourself whether you like it or not. You can't force him to stop speaking!

You can't force him to stop speaking!

Don't we all know it, he could talk under wet cement.

to all of those who hate Moore and like Bush, go to my friends web site,
http://s3.invisionfree.com/death_to_MOORE

wow.

this was one of the funniest, most illogical, illiterate, unfounded, poorly argued sites i've ever seen. if it's not a joke, it's scary. if it IS a joke, it's hilarious.

from: an interested third party...

PS if anyone in the WORLD can tell me how incessant lying, covering up and denying of facts is "Christian", it would explain a lot of confusion for me...

Canadians shoulden't have anything to do with our elections


We don't.

We ARE, however, entitled to an opinion on the leadership and policies of the US and are free to exercise our freedom of speech and voice that opinion. You may listen - or not, agree - or not, care - or not. Doesn't change our rights. As I believe that this law sucks and should be removed as I think that Mr. Moore should have the exact same rights.

If you disagree with that, then I would suggest the logical corrolorary to your statement is that the US had no business caring about the leadership of ... ohhh.... how about IRaq?

;)

I suggest we let Bush go to all the countries and endorse who he wants everyone to vote for so they can go vote for the other guy.

Well, anyway, did you know that Ray Bradbury is pissed about Moore hijacking the title of the book Faranheit 451? Makes you think, don't it?

What now? Has the United States stopped accepting criticism? Is she not the Beacon of Freedom which allows citizens to do most what they would like to do? Has the spirit of freedom of speech evaporated into oblivion?

Let Moore say what he likes and doesn't like and let you decide for yourself whether you like it or not. You can't force him to stop speaking!
no america elected a shrub president, there goes democracy. we are no longer the arsenal of democracy, we're the arsenal of trigger happy cowboys. no offense to cowboys or texans except one.

What we should do is blow up Graceland, and then blame it on the Iraqis. We'd have a bunch of old men in their fishing boats and schooners going out and ending the war in Iraq in a week.

I hope he goes to Canada. Moore is a fat moron.
aye but soes dick cheney, so why the doesnt he move to canada, (probably the canadians wouldnt except him, i know the uk wouldnt). and since when has being a fat moron forced somebody to be deported from america? i thought this country was made up of fat morons (i know many of them and there quite nice people)

no america elected a shrub president, there goes democracy. we are no longer the arsenal of democracy, we're the arsenal of trigger happy cowboys. no offense to cowboys or texans except one.



WRONG! Bush is our only hope to save democracy! Liberal leaders choose which laws they obey and which ones they ignore, The mayor of San Fran ignored all laws and married people anyway, New York Libs did the same! Remember SF Libs violated they AGAIN by forcing a law that allows non-citizens to vote! They also ignore the will of the people, Over 80% of Americans support English as the official language and support putting the military on the border with Mexico, Libs ignore that and try to prevent it!

Liberals steal people rights by trying to bully cities to get rid of christian symbols! Bush is our only hope against Liberal fascism!

aye but soes dick cheney, so why the doesnt he move to canada, (probably the canadians wouldnt except him, i know the uk wouldnt). and since when has being a fat moron forced somebody to be deported from america? i thought this country was made up of fat morons (i know many of them and there quite nice people)



Does Canada really need another prick?

Well, anyway, did you know that Ray Bradbury is pissed about Moore hijacking the title of the book Faranheit 451? Makes you think, don't it?

Personally, I'm eagerly awaiting the news that the ghost of Shakespeare is going to sue Ray Bradbury over the use of "Something Wicked This Way Comes" for one of his novels...

WRONG! Bush is our only hope to save democracy! Liberal leaders choose which laws they obey and which ones they ignore, The mayor of San Fran ignored all laws and married people anyway, New York Libs did the same! Remember SF Libs violated they AGAIN by forcing a law that allows non-citizens to vote! They also ignore the will of the people, Over 80% of Americans support English as the official language and support putting the military on the border with Mexico, Libs ignore that and try to prevent it!

Liberals steal people rights by trying to bully cities to get rid of christian symbols! Bush is our only hope against Liberal fascism!
The Liberal blanket will cover the Burning Bush in the next election and extinguish the sparks of American global domination.

Bush and democracy in the same sentence is an oxymoron.

What we should do is blow up Graceland, and then blame it on the Iraqis. We'd have a bunch of old men in their fishing boats and schooners going out and ending the war in Iraq in a week.

Think of the environment! Imagine how much saturated fat would be released into the atmosphere if Gracelands was blown up!

Michael Moore has the full right and priviledge to say what he wants to say in this country but he deserves to be outed when most of things he says are mere propaganda and lies. The mainstream media gives glowing coverage of Moore but hardly challenges him on any of the assertions he makes in his films, hardly surprising really.

If you want a thorough critique and all the deceptions of Fahrenheit 911 please go to

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

I haven't read the full article as it is rather lengthy but needless to say that what I have read shows that Michael Moore cannot be trusted to report fact like he is a journalist, he is a mere propagandist spreading lies.

By the way, I do find it funny that many liberals and democrats like to be so picky about which laws they want to enforce and just skate by the laws that inconvenince them.

Prime example number one: The McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform, Democrats started subsidiary groups like Moveon.org and others to finance attack ads since they could no longer raise "soft money".

Prime Example number 2: In my real life just yesterday I had a liberal professor get all PMS on me because she was inconvenienced to come down and pick something up. She didn't want to accept that it is policy that she must come down and pick her ID up and she cannot let her stepson pick it up for her. We made her comply with policy even though she was getting really mad saying this is "sheer idiocy and a waste of my time" and those were her words.

Prime Example number 3: Bill Clinton lied under oath and he gets away with it simply because he lied about his sexual misconduct and thats ok. Now if it had been a regular person like myself or you, we wouldn't have gotten away with it.

I haven't read the full article as it is rather lengthy but needless to say that what I have read shows that Michael Moore cannot be trusted with to report fact like he is a journalist, he is a mere propagandist spreading lies.Because journalists always tell the truth. Why didn't you tell us that your source was part of an organisation who's remit is to look at a " broad variety of public policy issues from a free-market, pro-freedom perspective". Pretending that's an unbiased source strikes me as far more dishonest then anything Moore's ever done.

Nobody is unbiased, absolutely nobody, we all look at things through our own perspective tainted by our worldviews. To claim that you are not biased goes against everything in human nature.

WRONG! Bush is our only hope to save democracy! Liberal leaders choose which laws they obey and which ones they ignore, The mayor of San Fran ignored all laws and married people anyway, New York Libs did the same! Remember SF Libs violated they AGAIN by forcing a law that allows non-citizens to vote! They also ignore the will of the people, Over 80% of Americans support English as the official language and support putting the military on the border with Mexico, Libs ignore that and try to prevent it!

Liberals steal people rights by trying to bully cities to get rid of christian symbols! Bush is our only hope against Liberal fascism!

I agree CHB! Bush is doing all he can to defend democracy and religion!

San Fran should just declare themselves a free and independent nation. No one will be sorry to see them go! The liberals there have violated the law but the CA Attorney General hasn't done a thing about it. Just got them to stop Gay Marraige but allowing non-citizens to vote hasn't been approved yet but it will. The Attorny General of California should stop this but he hasn't yet.

Save the Country Vote Bush!

wow.

this was one of the funniest, most illogical, illiterate, unfounded, poorly argued sites i've ever seen. if it's not a joke, it's scary. if it IS a joke, it's hilarious.

from: an interested third party...

PS if anyone in the WORLD can tell me how incessant lying, covering up and denying of facts is "Christian", it would explain a lot of confusion for me...

God, that website is crap! I have to ask: where is the logic? It's too stupid to be a joke. What has become of this country?

good, canada can keep him

Wait a moment... you Canadian scu... er... Canadians constantly tell Americans how to vote, whether it's near an election or not... freaking socialists! Hypocricy I say! Hypocricy!

Actually, there is a law like that in almost every country, to prevent foreigners with shady intentions from intervening in internal politics. A lot depends on who and how says something. So, if a bunch of Canadian individual voice their opinions in the forum about the upcoming US elections, nothing will happen. Same as Americans voicing their opinion of Canadian politics.

If a Canadian company or influential personality actively started to raise money and trying to influence the vote in the US, that's another matter. Sure, a lot of organizations actively try to influence votes and internal politics all around the world, but they tend to do it quietly.

I don't think anything will happen for a one-off comment from Michael Moore.

The mighty Brainiac, destroyer of worlds, endorses the human Bush for re-appointment to his leadership position and hopes he will continue to kill off many more annoying humans at an ever increasing rate. Death to humans! Up with Bush!

Yours in Christ,

Brainiac

Nobody is unbiased, absolutely nobody, we all look at things through our own perspective tainted by our worldviews. To claim that you are not biased goes against everything in human nature.

So you attack Moore's biased look with another group's biased look?

Nuh-uh, no way, Michael Moore is America's problem. I demand that you restrain him from crossing our border. We still have all those people who fled the draft during Vietnam. You can also take back Jeremy Hinzman, and Brandon Hughey, who willfully deserted from the United States Army. You can take those two cowards back.

Keep Michael Moore out of my country or else we'll deport Sheila Copps to your country...I swear we will...

Moore can go choke on a stick and die. He's a big fat idiot and all he cares about is getting Bush out of office and lining his own pockets. I mean, the guy's a lot like Josheph Goebbels in the way he tries to market his propaganda.

Here's an interesting little fact: for all of you who think Faranheit 9/11's the best movie ever and it's so true... Moore himself stated that 60% of the stuff in the movie is FICTION. Yeah, that's right, FICTITIOUS BULLCRAP HE MADE UP HIMSELF.

I hope Michael Moore moves to Canada. That way he's closer to the North Pole.

I do hope Michael Moore does not become a citizen of Canada.

Although I disagree with his remarks entirely (i voted Conservative and am proud of it), I wonder if the law is not an unecessary muzzle on our freedom of speech.

I would hope that since it is a law, and he did break it, that he be charged at least. I mean, if we let the courts pick and choose which law-breakers to prosecute and which to let go then the basis of our society would be caput.

Dragon's Bay, isn't the right of any country to be able to hold an election without international intervention? I don't like it when left wing loonies (or right wing) from the US telling us who to vote for or who not to. It is our choice isn't it?

[QUOTE=Prime Example number 3: Bill Clinton lied under oath and he gets away with it simply because he lied about his sexual misconduct and thats ok. Now if it had been a regular person like myself or you, we wouldn't have gotten away with it.[/QUOTE]

Bush lied about the WMDs and sent us into a costly irrelivant war.
Iraq has no link to 9/11. 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi. We can't go after the Saudi's b/c of the Bush family oil ties.

I'm a proud American, and am more often conservative than liberal, and am completely anti-moore.

However, I respect his right to free speech.

I do have major issues with him, and one is that he doesn't truly care about issues:
He cares about lining his pockets at the expense of poorer Americans
And
He cares about getting Bush out of office because Bush is a conservative.

I'm of the opinion that when someone does something because of political views and parties, instead of what's best for the nation, he shouldn't be trusted.

I'm also against Moore because he makes propaganda, full of lies, and then tries to pass it off as truth.

Moore is staying out of the American Conservative press now, because he knows that if someone questions most of the things in the movie, they're either lies, misrepresentations, or staged situations for his own benefit.

A prime example of a lie is when he said that when no one else could fly, members of the Bin Laden family were able to leave the nation. During this time, many private planes were allowed to fly as they wished.

A prime example of a misrepresentation is in Fahrenheit 9/11, when Mr. Moore approaches a member of Congress, and asks him to enlist his kids in the Armed Services. This Congressmen went on to explain that he had several members of his family in Iraq already, but Moore cut this out to portray the members of Congress as selfish cowards, which they are not.

A prime example of a staged situation is in Bowling For Columbine, where Moore shows the bank giving him a gun in the opening scene, after only a minimum of paperwork. Moore had done the required paperwork months in advance. Also, all the guns shown in the bank were non-working models, except for the one given to Moore. The bank doesn't usually give out guns at the bank, but Moore had arranged that months in advance as well.

[QUOTE=Prime Example number 3: Bill Clinton lied under oath and he gets away with it simply because he lied about his sexual misconduct and thats ok. Now if it had been a regular person like myself or you, we wouldn't have gotten away with it.

Bush lied about the WMDs and sent us into a costly irrelivant war.
Iraq has no link to 9/11. 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi. We can't go after the Saudi's b/c of the Bush family oil ties.[/QUOTE]

Isla, CIA eggasterated about WMD! Bush never lied about it! He was lied too and the Intel is supposed to have the most accurate facts to give to the President to make decisions. No one mentioned that Iraq had links to 9/11, not even the Bush administration and I could dig up his speeches regarding it but his speeches are on the whitehouse web site so I doubt you will give them credence.

Then maybe you should try to go refute what Zepp has said in the Intel thread you started FD, if you are going to keep spreading this supposed truth around.

Then maybe you should try to go refute what Zepp has said in the Intel thread you started FD, if you are going to keep spreading this supposed truth around.

I believe what the senate report said! That report absolved Bush of lieing about WMD! But that is a different topic!

then go to that topic and refute what Zepp has said.

He actually READ the report and pulled out the parts that disprove YOUR statements.

You on the other hand have done nothing but say the report says this or that and have no done anythign to back it up.


Have you even read what Zepp wrote? If he is wrong then call him on it.

then go to that topic and refute what Zepp has said.

He actually READ the report and pulled out the parts that disprove YOUR statements.

You on the other hand have done nothing but say the report says this or that and have no done anythign to back it up.


Have you even read what Zepp wrote? If he is wrong then call him on it.

I have my opinions and I will maintain my opinions! Bush didn't lie about WMD, CIA Lied about them! A BIG DIFFERENCE! Now get back on the damn topic!

lol :rolleyes:

well I guess you admit defeat then if you have nothing to counter him with.

back to the subject... *sorry about the hijack, although I was merely responding to FD's post on the very subject that Zepp has refuted*

lol :rolleyes:

well I guess you admit defeat then if you have nothing to counter him with.

back to the subject... *sorry about the hijack, although I was merely responding to FD's post on the very subject that Zepp has refuted*

I posted Sumamba Buwhan

And if Moore becomes a Canadian Citizen at least he will be there problem and not us! Besides, if he did become a citizen of Canada, then maybe he'll escape violating Canadian Election Laws.

oh yeah! YAY for the MAJOR Success of Farenheit 9/11 and thanks to the Republicans who put up such a stink about it, that it made it even MOORE popular. har har


That is the thing about people ... sometimes they don't realize that getting their panties in a bunch is what fuels people to see things like Moore's film.

I say hooray for the idea of just giving Moore dual citizenship! Or maybe not. Maybe he comes a wanted felon in Canada. Then the US will have to ship somebody to Canada for *gasp* advocating for democracy! It could start a trend ... perhaps more Americans will start to advocate for democracy in other dictatorships like Sweden, Germany, Spain.

@Mikitivity

"perhaps more Americans will start to advocate for democracy in other dictatorships like Sweden, Germany, Spain."

Why Sweden??? The were and are neutral. Hans Blix didn´t speak on behalf of the swedish government. They sticked to neutrality (Sweden is not a Nato member by the way).
Regarding Germany: I would like to see "regime-change" in Germany very much. However: lets try it first through the next general election in 2006.

Regards and Good night from Germany

@Mikitivity

"perhaps more Americans will start to advocate for democracy in other dictatorships like Sweden, Germany, Spain."

Why Sweden??? The were and are neutral. Hans Blix didn´t speak on behalf of the swedish government. They sticked to neutrality (Sweden is not a Nato member by the way).
Regarding Germany: I would like to see "regime-change" in Germany very much. However: lets try it first through the next general election in 2006.

Regards and Good night from Germany

Good night Kybernetia! Hopefully a better government in Germany will take over in 2006!

I have my opinions and I will maintain my opinions! Bush didn't lie about WMD, CIA Lied about them! A BIG DIFFERENCE! Now get back on the damn topic!

If you check the thread, it was you who got off topic trying to defend Bush. There is no need for anger on your part?

Now the topic is about the possibly of Michael Moore becoming a Canadian, which I think would be a great asset to Canada and a big loss to the US of A.

If the freedom of democracy has anything to do with the world election voting campaign privaleges of the Skinese park-sleepers, the Gaffer should lay waste immediately left.

/out

Heh... calm down everyone, let's not get nuts.

Re: The anti-Moore site. Sure it's a biased site, the title alone shows that. However, one thing worth noting about it is that it uses numerous sources to back up it's claim. Every claim he makes is referenced, complete with a link to the reference in question. He also adds links to Moore's responces to his piece.

So, while biased, I'd say it's a pretty damning piece, and certainly worth looking over and thinking about.

I hate to say it, but Moore would probably be an even trade for Celine Dion.

Oh! It's a Michael Moore trifecta in general!

That is the thing about people ... sometimes they don't realize that getting their panties in a bunch is what fuels people to see things like Moore's film.

I say hooray for the idea of just giving Moore dual citizenship! Or maybe not. Maybe he comes a wanted felon in Canada. Then the US will have to ship somebody to Canada for *gasp* advocating for democracy! It could start a trend ... perhaps more Americans will start to advocate for democracy in other dictatorships like Sweden, Germany, Spain.

Michael Moore is not being charged with advocating democracy.. although it sounds like you are being sarcastic.

Michael Moore is being charged with attempting to interfere with the Canadian democratic system during an election. I personally watched his comments when they came out and found that they were full of crap. I think the majority of Canadians went unaffected by his remarks .. but still they were illegal. Hence he deserves to be charged.

I posted Sumamba Buwhan

And if Moore becomes a Canadian Citizen at least he will be there problem and not us! Besides, if he did become a citizen of Canada, then maybe he'll escape violating Canadian Election Laws.

He can't avoid charges by becoming a Canadian citizen after the fact.

That's like trying to park legally to avoid a parking ticket... you can't do it.

So even if he becomes a Canadian he's still in hot water with the law. Only then he can't just be deported.