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I don't have ten, I only have eight, and they are, in no particular order:

1.George Washington
2.John Adams
3.Thomas Jefferson
4.James Madison
5.James Monroe
6.John Quincy Adams
7.S. Grover Cleveland
8.J. Calvin Coolidge

Thomas Jefferson.

Sorry, I only have one. :) I kinda liked Jimmy Carter - good man, but an ineffective president. Everyone else - eh. The best of [x] evils in every case. Except those where it was the worst of [x] evils.

FDR. 'Nough said.

Anyone else? As for my bottom Presidents, they are (in no particular order):

1.FDR
2.Woodrow Wilson
3.LBJ
4.Truman
5.Lincoln
6.Carter
7.Nixon
8.Clinton
9.Bush #1
10.Bush #2
11.Ike
12.Ford
13.Kennedy
14.Hoover

I live in Canada, but:

1. George Washington
2. Thomas Jefferson
3. Abraham Lincoln
4. Ronal Reagan
5. James Madison
6. James Monroe
7. Harry Truman
8. FDR

I only got 8, maybe JFK and Bush Jr. should be #9 and #10 but I'm not sure yet.

Oh PUH-LEEZ people! I know Washington was great and all, but be sensible before you pick him as numero uno.


1. Abraham Lincoln <- Struggled his best to keep the union together during it's toughest time to date. Endured taunts and insults by his own people and even his own Generals. You got to really be a man like Lincoln here to deserve this position.
2. George Washington - Perhaps he was lucky enough to be at the right place, right time. Or maybe he actually had the skills. He was a great General and a pretty good President. In closing he told America to not take part in politcal parties. Damn, if only we listened to him!
3. Thomas Jefferson - This man, just like the many other founding fathers, never gave up on the dream of America. Despite that America was losing, a lot. He never gave up.
4. Andrew Jackson - As a General, he owned. Remember the War of 1812? Unknowingly, he sent his men to put a few thousand British to their murky deaths. Then he soon found out that the war was over weeks and weeks before he killed those men. And he trashed the White House on his very first night and ended up sleeping in a hotel after his party.
5. William Clinton - When my grandkids ask if I was around to see Clinton, I can say "YES I DID!" He did what almost every married man wanted to do. Have sex with someone other than his wife. Unfortunatly, many people took this to the extreme. Some even tried to get him impeached even.
6. Eisenhower - He was the man who led the invasion of D-Day. He was the man who started the NASA program to begin the Space Race. He really deserves a higher position, but I cannot organize this while being so sleepy at the same time.
7. Richard Nixon - Hear me out before you argue about this one. This man really showed the American people what politics was all about. I mean he SLAPPED IT to our faces. He was also smart to be the first and, to date, only President to resign from office rather than look like a moron and get impeached.
8. Bush Jr. - I don't like him too much either. I don't like his push for this amendment of his. But I do like his quick-and-no-thinking action to expel Al-Qaeda from existance. We've come a long way since October of 2001 to kill off terrorists. We even invaded a nation just to kill a few hundred more. (Yeah, I'm kidding.)

That's 8....I'm not so sure of other Presidents for spot number 9 and 10.

Did this thread a while ago but only asking for 5.

1. Abraham Lincoln...radically altered the course of our country for a century.

2. FDR...like him or hate him, longest serving president ever. Came in during a depression. Went out during a boom. Not too shabby.

3. Thomas Jefferson

4. George Washington....ensured that we would even have a president instead of emperor. Unprecedented in the entire world at that point in history

5. Bill Clinton...guided the country to one of the most prosperous and peaceful times in our entire history. History will remember him a lot better than today's radio hatemongerers.

6. James Garfield....again, the only president to have a cartoon named after him.

7. Eisenhower....the 50's was yet another boom time for America. Did a few bad things and propelled America into Vietnam but the overall decade was one of the best

8. John Kennedy....perhaps the last president that America truly could believe in. American mistrust in their government grew exponentially with the next few presidents....a mistrust we've never recovered from.

The next few are pretty meshed together.

actually, Garfield was named after Jim Davis' uncle or grandfather.

1. James K. Polk
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Andrew Jackson
4. Theodore Rosevelt
5. Franklin Rosevelt
6. Thomas Jefferson
7. George Washington
8. Lyndon Johnson
9. Ronald Reagan
10. John F. Kennedy

5 Best Presidents

1.)Ronald Reagan-brought hope and optimism back to America, called the Soviet Union what it was, evil, spent the Soviet Union into the ground while at the same time restoring our economy to full health.

2.)George Washington-set the mold for the office of president, doesn't get much better than that.

3.)Thomas Jefferson-Negotiated the Louisiana Purchase, considered at the time almost unconstitutional but pulled it off anyway and doubled the size of this country.

4.)Teddy Roosevelt-known for saying "speak softly and carry a big stick" and helped to realize the Panama Canal.

5.)James Polk-won the Mexican war and gave America its Pacific coastline.

5 Worst Presidents

1.)Andrew Johnson-didn't stand up to the radical Republicans which resulted in a harsh reconstruction period for the South after the Civil War not to mention he was impeached.

2.)Bill Clinton-too busy screwing interns to do his job in foreign policy, he ignored '93 bombing of the WTC, the attacks on our embassies in Africa, and the attack on the USS Cole. Bombed aspirin factories so the media's attention would be diverted when his sexual scandals broke headlines. Had several opportunities to capture Bin Laden, practically given to us on a plater by Sudan, but ol Slick Willy wanted nothing to do with it. Also only the second president to be impeached.

3.)Richard Nixon-wage and price controls imposed on the economy and Watergate.

4.)Jimmy Carter-gas lines, Shah of Iran was overthrown resulting in hostages being taken at our embassy in Iran, double digit inflation and interest rates.

5.)Abraham Lincoln-while he may have freed the slaves, his methods of attaining that goal leave something to be desired, also set the stage for an ever more powerful federal government at the expense of the state governments.

Actually, I decided to go and rank all of them. Bush isn't on here, since he has yet to complete his term, and Cleveland won't be listed twice, so here is the Top 41 according to me:

1. James K. Polk
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Andrew Jackson
4. Theodore Rosevelt
5. Franklin Rosevelt
6. Thomas Jefferson
7. George Washington
8. Lyndon Johnson
9. Ronald Reagan
10. John F. Kennedy
11. Harry Truman
12. Woodrow Wilson
13. Richard Nixon
14. William McKinley
15. Dwight D. Eisenhower
16. Bill Clinton
17. James Madison
18. Grover Cleveland
19. John Adams
20. Calvin Coolidge
21. James Monroe
22. U.S. Grant
23. George H. W. Bush
24. William Howard Taft
25. Millard Fillmore
26. Franklin Pierce
27. Chester Alan Arthur
28. Benjamin Harrison
29. Rutherford Hayes
30. Warren G. Harding
31. John Quincy Adams
32. Zachary Taylor
33. Jimmy Carter
34. Gerald Ford
35. Herbert Hoover
36. William Henry Harrison
37. Martin Van Buren
38. James Garfield
39. John Tyler
40. James Buchanan
41. Andrew Johnson

I don't have ten, I only have eight, and they are, in no particular order:

1.George Washington
2.John Adams
3.Thomas Jefferson
4.James Madison
5.James Monroe
6.John Quincy Adams
7.S. Grover Cleveland
8.J. Calvin Coolidge

What did George Washington do? Nothing. Almost no one in his time even liked him. It is only in our time that he has become a God.

Yeah he must have been really unpopular after winning the Revolutionary war, so unpopular that he presided over the Constitutional Convention and was elected to two terms as the President. (sarcasm, sarcasm, sarcasm)

My list 10 (in order).

John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
Theodore Rosevelt
James Madison
Jimmy Carter
John Quincy Adams
Franklin Rosevelt
Harry Truman
Martin Van Buren
William Henry Harrison

Yeah he must have been really unpopular after winning the Revolutionary war, so unpopular that he presided over the Constitutional Convention and was elected to two terms as the President. (sarcasm, sarcasm, sarcasm)
Yep, with the popular vote back then, he won by a land slide. I guess it really is not who you know, after all.

1. FDR. Hooray for the CCC. And Welfare.
2. Lincoln. He knew how to take general goals and execute them into practical solutions.
3. Jefferson. He had a cool house.
4. Truman. A competent guy I just generally like for no reason. The atomic bomb wasn't a super idea, but whatever.
5. Wilson. Progressive ideas still resonate with me. As close to Bob LaFollette as we'll ever get.
6. Tyler. I don't think I have to explain why.
7. Jackson. He had a giant crock of cheese at his inaugeration.
8. Clinton. Finally won an election for Dems, put cops on the street, gave us the best economy in the history of the world.
9. Ike. I like his name and his candy bar.
10. William Jennings Bryan. Because he was never president, even though he tried REALLY HARD.

Hmm, top ten eh? Let me see...

1) Franklin D. Roosevelt - Presided over longest presidential term, came in during depression and left with the economy back on track, and saved the world by getting us into WWII.
2) George Washington - Set the mold for the President and helped get the country started.
3) Abraham Lincoln - Struggled to keep the country together and finally reunified the country after the Civil War, the body count is a sad thing though, and freed the slaves.
4) Theodore Roosevelt - antitrust legistration, Panama Canal, and conservation.
5) Woodrow Wilson - Tried to get around the isolationist Congress to help Britain in the first World War, and helped set up the League of Nations, but was screwed when Congress wouldn't allow his ideas to grow fruit.
6) Harry Truman - Marshall Plan, ended WWII (although it would sure be nice, if it had not come to what it did), and was around when the UN was set up.
7) Dwight D. Eisenhower - desegregation, continued New and Fair Deal programs.
8) Lyndon B. Johnson - Welfare Programs, civil rights acts, but one major problem in Vietnam.

Well, that's how it is currently. My need for sleep might have made some errors though.

Well, that's how it is currently. My need for sleep might have made some errors though.

Yeah, I noticed one or two errors. Like the fact that Thomas Jefferson, 'The Only President I Would Have Voted For With A Clear Conscious™,' was not only not your top choice, but that he didn't even make the top eight! Eh, I'm sure it's just a typo that you'l promptly fix on the morrow.

1. Wm. Henry Harrison - Smart enough to die after only a month in office. Didn't do ANYTHING to effect the office of president. EXCELLENT!

2. Lincoln - Hated by so many. Made extremely unpopular decisions. Re-elected. Saved the country. Paid for it with his life.

3. Eisenhower - Pretty much told us 50 years ago that this country would be overrun by the Military-Industrial complex. He was more than right about that.

4. T. Roosevelt - Thankfully created the National Park system. Good boy. Too bad Shrubya is working to trash a lot of Teddy's work.

5. FDR - Father of our modern state. Evened the playing field as much as is possible.

6-10. Don't really care.

43. Shrub. Wurst. pResident. Evar. What a moran!

I noticed something about Roach Buster's lists. His top 6 Presidents were the 1st 6 and ranked in the same order. Coolidge, a cause for the depression was the only 20th century President. It seems his least favorite presidents were all 20th century presidents from both parties, except LIncoln who was 19th century

I'm sorry if this looks like a spam post but I can't help but laugh that you would call Bush stupid while misspelling three words in the sentence that you call him stupid. Just a bit ironic to me. And by the way, George W. Bush is the 42 president, in all the counts Cleaveland is counted twice for some reason.

Yeah, I noticed one or two errors. Like the fact that Thomas Jefferson, 'The Only President I Would Have Voted For With A Clear Conscious™,' was not only not your top choice, but that he didn't even make the top eight! Eh, I'm sure it's just a typo that you'l promptly fix on the morrow.

Well maybe. But I also had a quick link up to a site and looked over a few of the Presidents, and Jefferson seemed good, but not great.

My top five:

1. FDR-Led the nation out of the Great Depression and led the nation during World War II. I mean he was elected like what, four terms?

2. Lincoln-This was a close second but FDR pulled his country together while when Lincoln was elected into office the southern states seceeded (sp?), although he brought the states back to the union, it has caused a lot of bad blood.

3. Theodore Roosevelt-This wasn't as much as what he did as pres. it is more for what he did during his lifetime. He lead the Ruff Riders, Destroyed the monopolies of America and started the National Park system.

4. George Washington- Washington is like an American folk hero, everyone knows of him, but not all of the stories that are well known are true.

5.Ronald Reagan-Ended the Cold War. He also acted which is pretty neat.

This is hard. I can't say I like any of them. Choosing the best president is like choosing the best serial killer. I suppose the Unabomber was onto something about technology being evil, but he was still a madman.

1.Abraham Lincoln
2.Franklin D. Roosevelt
3.George Washington
4.Thomas Jefferson
5.James K. Polk
6.Theodore Roosevelt
7.Harry S. Truman
8.Woodrow Wilson
9.John F. Kennedy
10.Dwight D. Eisenhower

It's amusing to see so many lists that either have Clinton or Reagan in the top 5 and the other one in the bottom 5.

1. Abraham Lincoln
2. George Washington
3. FDR
4. Ronald Reagan
5. Harry Truman
6. William McKinley
7. Woodrow Wilson
8. James Polk
9. James Monroe
10. James Madison

1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Ronald Reagan
3. George Washington
4. Abraham Lincoln
5. Dwight D. Eisenhower
6. Herbert Hoover
7. Calvin Coolidge
8. Warren Harding
9. George W. Bush
10. Richard Nixon

6. Tyler. I don't think I have to explain why.
"Tippecanoe and Tyler too?" I think I'd like to see an explanation.

Clearly Reagan was one of the greatest presidents. Decreased the size of government WITHOUT cutting the intellignce field to bare bones like Clinton (claims he "shrunk" government. When W took office there were 0 intelligence ground assets in Afganistan and Iraq. Fine, he did shrink government) did. The Economy was under rapid growth, just look at the GDP rates for the past 20 years. Ended the Cold War (Berlin Wall anybody?). In his re-election won 49/50 states (lost only michigan where his opponent was from).

Bill Clinton is horrible. Period. I won't even go into detail. AND I was born and raised in Arkansas.

Moreover, these quotes should undoubtedly prove it:
"Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them." -Ronald Reagan
"Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." -Ronald Reagan
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidise it" -Ronald Reagan
"I favor the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and it must be enforced at gunpoint if necessary." -Ronald Reagan
"It's silly talking about how many years we will have to spend in the jungles of Vietnam when we could pave the whole country and put parking stripes on it and still be home by Christmas." -Ronald Reagan
"Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book." -Ronald Reagan (Clinton *cough* Clinton)
"To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last - but eat you he will." -Ronald Reagan
"Unemployment insurance is a pre-paid vacation for freeloaders." -Ronald Reagan
"We might come closer to balancing the Budget if all of us lived closer to the Commandments and the Golden Rule." -Ronald Reagan
"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk." -Ronald Reagan

Okay, I'm done for now, but you can bet there are more. Find some Clinton quotes that come anywhere near to the wit of Reagan. Wait, find some Clinton quotes that won't put 85% of America to sleep.

Actually it was Minnesota. Reagan beat Mondale, who was from Minnesota, not Michigan.

I am notably unconvinced.

Tentatively speaking, I'd say...

1 Jefferson
2 Taft
3 FDR
4 Washington
5 Millard Filmore
6 Lincoln
7 Adams II
8 Carter
9 Truman
10 JFK
11 Clinton
12 Adams
13 Monroe
14 Madison
15 Coolidge
16 Teddy Roosevelt
17 Hayes
18 Wilson
19 Jackson
20 Eisenhower
21 Garfield
22 Ford
23 Arthur
24 Cleveland
25 Harding
26 Martin Van Buren
27 Benjamin Harrison
28 Grant
29 Hoover
30 Pierce
31 Andrew Johnson
32 McKinley
33 Lyndon Johnson
34 Bush I
35 Nixon
36 Ronald Reagan
37 William Henry Harrison
38 John Tyler
39 James Buchanan
40 Zachary Taylor
41 James K. Polk
42 Bush II

Of course, I'm open to suggestions. I tend to ignore some of those presidents in general.

Like: Coolidge very very much so! We should stick to his policies more. The roaring 20's great prosperity man it was great a good man a silent one to I hear heh
Reagan- great guy but he is over rated he did much good but could have done much much more
Bush 2- far from perfect but one of the better ones lets say he's less than reagan so it puts him towards the bottom of my best prezs


Dislike: Clinton

Lincoln gave us our first and only civil war, an unecessary one

FDR- I'll give him credit for the war but otherwise he was a big government statist bastard who did permanent damage one of my least favorites actually

Truman- Oh yes I love the man, the man who dropped the nuke and so on not to mention I don't agree with any of his other policies either pretty much

Carter- Jackass

Oh PUH-LEEZ people! I know Washington was great and all, but be sensible before you pick him as numero uno.

My only criteria for chossing Washington first was that he led America to its independence. Also leading the Continental Army earned him alot of admiration on my part.

Hmm, top ten eh? Let me see...

1) Franklin D. Roosevelt - Presided over longest presidential term, came in during depression and left with the economy back on track, and saved the world by getting us into WWII.
2) George Washington - Set the mold for the President and helped get the country started.
3) Abraham Lincoln - Struggled to keep the country together and finally reunified the country after the Civil War, the body count is a sad thing though, and freed the slaves.
4) Theodore Roosevelt - antitrust legistration, Panama Canal, and conservation.
5) Woodrow Wilson - Tried to get around the isolationist Congress to help Britain in the first World War, and helped set up the League of Nations, but was screwed when Congress wouldn't allow his ideas to grow fruit.
6) Harry Truman - Marshall Plan, ended WWII (although it would sure be nice, if it had not come to what it did), and was around when the UN was set up.
7) Dwight D. Eisenhower - desegregation, continued New and Fair Deal programs.
8) Lyndon B. Johnson - Welfare Programs, civil rights acts, but one major problem in Vietnam.

Well, that's how it is currently. My need for sleep might have made some errors though.

Congress was not 'isolationist,' they were 'non-interventionist.' There's a HUGE difference.

Like: Coolidge very very much so! We should stick to his policies more. The roaring 20's great prosperity man it was great a good man a silent one to I hear heh
Reagan- great guy but he is over rated he did much good but could have done much much more
Bush 2- far from perfect but one of the better ones lets say he's less than reagan so it puts him towards the bottom of my best prezs


Dislike: Clinton

Lincoln gave us our first and only civil war, an unecessary one

FDR- I'll give him credit for the war but otherwise he was a big government statist bastard who did permanent damage one of my least favorites actually

Truman- Oh yes I love the man, the man who dropped the nuke and so on not to mention I don't agree with any of his other policies either pretty much

Carter- Jackass


I agree with your 'dislikes' entirely!

My top five:

1. FDR-Led the nation out of the Great Depression and led the nation during World War II. I mean he was elected like what, four terms?

2. Lincoln-This was a close second but FDR pulled his country together while when Lincoln was elected into office the southern states seceeded (sp?), although he brought the states back to the union, it has caused a lot of bad blood.

3. Theodore Roosevelt-This wasn't as much as what he did as pres. it is more for what he did during his lifetime. He lead the Ruff Riders, Destroyed the monopolies of America and started the National Park system.

4. George Washington- Washington is like an American folk hero, everyone knows of him, but not all of the stories that are well known are true.

5.Ronald Reagan-Ended the Cold War. He also acted which is pretty neat.

Wrong. FDR PROLONGED the Depression. It was World War II that got us out of it.

I agree with your 'dislikes' entirely!


Lets see: Clinton gave us a very long period of peace and prosperity, but you republicans seem to have a problem with it, the civil war was declared by the South, not the North, might I remind you who attacked whom, FDR was a brilliant president, and Truman had no choice but to drop the bomb. Learn some history.

I noticed something about Roach Buster's lists. His top 6 Presidents were the 1st 6 and ranked in the same order. Coolidge, a cause for the depression was the only 20th century President. It seems his least favorite presidents were all 20th century presidents from both parties, except LIncoln who was 19th century

Coolidge didn't cause the Depression. The Federal Reserve did.

Coolidge didn't cause the Depression. The Federal Reserve did.

Brilliant. Prove your point.

Lets see: Clinton gave us a very long period of peace and prosperity, but you republicans seem to have a problem with it, the civil war was declared by the South, not the North, might I remind you who attacked whom, FDR was a brilliant president, and Truman had no choice but to drop the bomb. Learn some history.

First of all, I'm NOT a republican. Clinton is one of the reasons so many jobs are being shipped overseas (he got us into NAFTA and the WTO). And in case you're forgetting, he did get us into a war. (Remember Kosovo?) Learn some history yourself. The Japanese had been trying to surrender for at least a year. Virtually the only top man in the military who wanted Truman to drop the bomb was George Marshall.

Brilliant. Prove your point.

Oh Christ, I have to explain everything...

Oh Christ, I have to explain everything...
Yeah, you do.

First of all, I'm NOT a republican. Clinton is one of the reasons so many jobs are being shipped overseas (he got us into NAFTA and the WTO). And in case you're forgetting, he did get us into a war. (Remember Kosovo?) Learn some history yourself. The Japanese had been trying to surrender for at least a year. Virtually the only top man in the military who wanted Truman to drop the bomb was George Marshall.
First off, the entire shipping jobs overseas thing is bullshit, we get a net gain of jobs thanks to the WTO and NAFTA, and we 'got' into a war to stop a genocide, and may I remind you, we barely lost any troops.

Sorry? Some parts of the Japanise government wanted to surrender, but the rest (the military) refused. The last ditch defence efforts sure as hell don't sound like a nation ready to give up without a fight.

Lets see: Clinton gave us a very long period of peace and prosperity, but you republicans seem to have a problem with it, the civil war was declared by the South, not the North, might I remind you who attacked whom, FDR was a brilliant president, and Truman had no choice but to drop the bomb. Learn some history.

What was so 'brilliant' about FDR? Let's see, he changed us from a constitutional republic based on limited government into a socialistic democracy of unlimited, tyrannical government; created the modern-day nanny state; got us into a foreign conflict that was none of our goddamn business (yeah, the holocaust was horrible, but we're not the world's policeman, are we?); deliberately provoked the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor (I'll give you a list of books proving it tomorrow); drastically prolonged World War II by repeatedly insisting on 'unconditional surrender' and refusing to support anti-Hitler Germans who genuinely wanted peace; he was a big liar about everything (he criticized Hoover's spending, but he ended up spending three times as much money as all the previous Presidents COMBINED); what he did to the Japanese-Americans was very gestapo-like; his policies, rather than alleviate the Depression, actually deepened and prolonged it; he welcomed the Council on Foreign Relations into the State Department, where they rule to this day (they're responsible for virtually every no-win war and foreign policy blunder of the past fifty-plus years); he loaded his administration with communists; he betrayed many of our allies (China, Poland, etc.)...gotta go, I'll finish this later...

What was so 'brilliant' about FDR? Let's see, he changed us from a constitutional republic based on limited government into a socialistic democracy of unlimited, tyrannical government; created the modern-day nanny state; got us into a foreign conflict that was none of our goddamn business (yeah, the holocaust was horrible, but we're not the world's policeman, are we?); deliberately provoked the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor (I'll give you a list of books proving it tomorrow); drastically prolonged World War II by repeatedly insisting on 'unconditional surrender' and refusing to support anti-Hitler Germans who genuinely wanted peace; he was a big liar about everything (he criticized Hoover's spending, but he ended up spending three times as much money as all the previous Presidents COMBINED); what he did to the Japanese-Americans was very gestapo-like; his policies, rather than alleviate the Depression, actually deepened and prolonged it; he welcomed the Council on Foreign Relations into the State Department, where they rule to this day (they're responsible for virtually every no-win war and foreign policy blunder of the past fifty-plus years); he loaded his administration with communists; he betrayed many of our allies (China, Poland, etc.)...gotta go, I'll finish this later...

He didn't 'get us into a war', japan and germany declared war on us, and your statement about how he caused pearl harbor is bullshit, so I'll throw out your entire statement as the same. Bye.

What was so 'brilliant' about FDR? Let's see, he changed us from a constitutional republic based on limited government into a socialistic democracy of unlimited, tyrannical government; created the modern-day nanny state; got us into a foreign conflict that was none of our goddamn business (yeah, the holocaust was horrible, but we're not the world's policeman, are we?); deliberately provoked the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor (I'll give you a list of books proving it tomorrow); drastically prolonged World War II by repeatedly insisting on 'unconditional surrender' and refusing to support anti-Hitler Germans who genuinely wanted peace; he was a big liar about everything (he criticized Hoover's spending, but he ended up spending three times as much money as all the previous Presidents COMBINED); what he did to the Japanese-Americans was very gestapo-like; his policies, rather than alleviate the Depression, actually deepened and prolonged it; he welcomed the Council on Foreign Relations into the State Department, where they rule to this day (they're responsible for virtually every no-win war and foreign policy blunder of the past fifty-plus years); he loaded his administration with communists; he betrayed many of our allies (China, Poland, etc.)...gotta go, I'll finish this later...

But he did all that with Polio! :D

Best American presidents:

1 -- George Washington: Hands down. The man could have been king, but he was modest enough to step down after two terms as President. Damn-near singlehandedly created this nation (his move at Trenton saved the war.)

2 -- Thomas Jefferson: Expanded the nation, self-made man. Genius.

3 -- Ronald Reagan: Defeated Red Russia, thus ending the Cold War.

4 -- TR: A great man. Simply a great man. Not to fond of monopolies, but a great man...he accomplished so much in his life.

5 -- James Madison: He gets so little credit. He was the Father of the Constitution. Even if he was a monarchial...

6 -- Harry S. Truman: The last good Democrat....

Worst Presidents:

1 -- FDR: Ruined this great nation with his socialist "New Deal." Didn't do a damn thing to actually get us out of the Depression (you can credit that one to a little thing called World War II.) Was arrogant enough to violate the two-term tradition set by George Washington....

2 -- Abraham Lincoln: He's a close-second. Almost number one. A tyrant of tyrants, Lincoln shredded the Constitution by suspending the writ of Habeas Corpus and waged an illegal war/illegal invasion of a soveirgn nation which led to the deaths of 625,000+ Americans. He gets credit for freeing the slaves, though the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't going to be his first idea....rather, he had planned to free them and ship them back to Africa....

3 -- Jimmy Carter: Damn-near destroyed this nation. Thank God Reagan pieced it back together. Jimmy Carter passed out after jogging and America was safe for a minute...

4 -- Bill Clinton: Committed perjury, was impeached, should have been convicted, and should have been removed from office and thrown in prison for his crime....sad to see that people are above the law these days....

5 -- Well, come to think of it...there's no rule that there has to be five....so....this is a blank entry, I guess...

Let the flames begin..... :)

Me!

Best American presidents:

1 -- George Washington: Hands down. The man could have been king, but he was modest enough to step down after two terms as President. Damn-near singlehandedly created this nation (his move at Trenton saved the war.)

2 -- Thomas Jefferson: Expanded the nation, self-made man. Genius.

3 -- Ronald Reagan: Defeated Red Russia, thus ending the Cold War.

4 -- TR: A great man. Simply a great man. Not to fond of monopolies, but a great man...he accomplished so much in his life.

5 -- James Madison: He gets so little credit. He was the Father of the Constitution. Even if he was a monarchial...

6 -- Harry S. Truman: The last good Democrat....

Worst Presidents:

1 -- FDR: Ruined this great nation with his socialist "New Deal." Didn't do a damn thing to actually get us out of the Depression (you can credit that one to a little thing called World War II.) Was arrogant enough to violate the two-term tradition set by George Washington....

2 -- Abraham Lincoln: He's a close-second. Almost number one. A tyrant of tyrants, Lincoln shredded the Constitution by suspending the writ of Habeas Corpus and waged an illegal war/illegal invasion of a soveirgn nation which led to the deaths of 625,000+ Americans. He gets credit for freeing the slaves, though the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't going to be his first idea....rather, he had planned to free them and ship them back to Africa....

3 -- Jimmy Carter: Damn-near destroyed this nation. Thank God Reagan pieced it back together. Jimmy Carter passed out after jogging and America was safe for a minute...

4 -- Bill Clinton: Committed perjury, was impeached, should have been convicted, and should have been removed from office and thrown in prison for his crime....sad to see that people are above the law these days....

5 -- Well, come to think of it...there's no rule that there has to be five....so....this is a blank entry, I guess...

Let the flames begin..... :)

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He didn't 'get us into a war', japan and germany declared war on us, and your statement about how he caused pearl harbor is bullshit, so I'll throw out your entire statement as the same. Bye.

It's not 'bullshit,' you just need to read the right books. Many books offer clear-cut proof of FDR's deceptiveness in getting us entangled in World War II.

But he did all that with Polio! :D

True, true. That's ONE thing I admire about the SOB, at least he had determination and the tenacity to never give up.

Yeah, you do.

Look, sorry, didn't mean to be rude about the whole 'I have to explain everything...bit'. That was uncalled-for, and for that, you have my sincerest apologies. It's not exactly one of those things you can 'prove' or 'disprove,' it's just that there's lots of things that suggest the Fed caused it. One of the best books on the Federal Reserve is 'The Creature From Jekyll Island' by G. Edward Griffin.

It's not 'bullshit,' you just need to read the right books. Many books offer clear-cut proof of FDR's deceptiveness in getting us entangled in World War II.
Let's see, he gave supplies to our allies and embargoed oil from countries that were at war with our allies. But only placed the embargo after trying diplomacy. He did ask Japan to retreat out of Russia and China and Korea after all...if FDR caused US involvement in World War II, then Saddam Hussein caused US involvement in Iraq (the second time around). (While Saddam is a good excuse after the fact, it not only was not the primary reason, it was not a reason at all until after we were in...) Also, consider the change America went through. 1932, FDR is elected...in the depths of the depression. 1945, America is victorious in World War II, Hitler and his Nazis have been eliminated, Japan is no longer a power-hungry empire, and the United States comes out as a world superpower. How can you not admire FDR? (Communists, don't answer that question.)

On the other hand George Washington was not as great of a general as you people seem to like to think he was...he lost more battles than he won. He only pulled off a few important victories. Trenton wasn't even a huge victory. Sure, killing off a few Hessians was nice, but he only did that to improve the morale of his troops (as their enlistment was about to expire), but this is why he is was a great man as president. It is the battle at Trenton and the similar morale victories that he won that kept the Rebels fighting and eventually inspired the real generals and their troops to make bigger victories, leading to the assistance coming in from France and the eventual victory of the Revolutionary War. He was a great man, but please, don't confuse him with a great general. In fact...he started the French and Indian War because he did not know the language of diplomacy (French, and I think that is the right war, not positive).

Let's see, he gave supplies to our allies and embargoed oil from countries that were at war with our allies. But only placed the embargo after trying diplomacy. He did ask Japan to retreat out of Russia and China and Korea after all...if FDR caused US involvement in World War II, then Saddam Hussein caused US involvement in Iraq (the second time around). (While Saddam is a good excuse after the fact, it not only was not the primary reason, it was not a reason at all until after we were in...) Also, consider the change America went through. 1932, FDR is elected...in the depths of the depression. 1945, America is victorious in World War II, Hitler and his Nazis have been eliminated, Japan is no longer a power-hungry empire, and the United States comes out as a world superpower. How can you not admire FDR? (Communists, don't answer that question.)

On the other hand George Washington was not as great of a general as you people seem to like to think he was...he lost more battles than he won. He only pulled off a few important victories. Trenton wasn't even a huge victory. Sure, killing off a few Hessians was nice, but he only did that to improve the morale of his troops (as their enlistment was about to expire), but this is why he is was a great man as president. It is the battle at Trenton and the similar morale victories that he won that kept the Rebels fighting and eventually inspired the real generals and their troops to make bigger victories, leading to the assistance coming in from France and the eventual victory of the Revolutionary War. He was a great man, but please, don't confuse him with a great general. In fact...he started the French and Indian War because he did not know the language of diplomacy (French, and I think that is the right war, not positive).

It was those actions and then some that pissed off Japan to the point that they attacked Pearl Harbor. Look, there's nothing wrong with admiring FDR, and I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their opinion, I just want to lay down the facts and the reasons I don't like him.

My personal list of presidents, top and bottom 5:

1. Abe Lincoln - Helped save the union from an early death at the hands of secession.
2. FDR - I know people hate him, but with the New Deal, he revived the U.S. economy.
3. George Washington - The first president; a great man and a great military leader.
4. Ronald Reagan - The last good republican in office.
5. Thomas Jefferson - The first voice of reason in the United States. If only he kept his anti-slavery stance in the Declaration...
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38. William Harrison - It's not that he did something wrong. The only thing he did do wrong was catch a terrible cold. :P
39. Herbert Hoover - Thanks to him, the Great Depression got that much worse.
40. Richard Nixon - Well, he got us out of the Vietnam quagmire, at least. Watergate is definitely a low point in politics.
41. Warren G. Harding - A corrupt administration combined with a man who accomplished NOTHING.
42. George W. Bush - With all those big business payoffs he got -- and the subsequent CEO-friendly tax cuts that have followed -- he may make Nixon look like a saint by the end of what will hopefully be his first and only term. This man is NOT the voice of the nation.

1. Abe Lincoln - Helped save the union from an early death at the hands of secession.


"Early death at the hands of secession?" Interesting that you put it that way. What about the 300,000+ Union boys Lincoln sent to early deaths in his illegal war (and illegal invasion) of a soveign nation? What about the 625,000 that were sent to early deaths as a result of that illegal war and illegal invasion of a soveirgn nation?

"If the Union was formed by the accension of states, than the Union may be dissolved by the secession of states." Does anyone know who said that?

And I apologize, Hokushin, if I seem to be soley jumping on you about this, but I just cannot see how someone can support Abraham Lincoln after his violations of the Constitution and civil liberties. Moreover, (incase anyone tries to claim the opposite), secession was not illegal. It was an right granted to the states and protected by the 9th and 10th Amendments. However, having a President suspend the writ of Habeas Corpus is illegal, as defined by the Constitution.

Incase someone attacks me of being a supporter of slavery, know that I'm not Southern nor do I support slavery. Slavery is an evil institution. I would never condone holding another human in bondage...and anyone who may attack me as being racist is also wrong, as one of my best friends in the entire world, is black.

Just thought I'd put in my two cents....

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"Early death at the hands of secession?" Interesting that you put it that way. What about the 300,000+ Union boys Lincoln sent to early deaths in his illegal war (and illegal invasion) of a soveign nation? What about the 625,000 that were sent to early deaths as a result of that illegal war and illegal invasion of a soveirgn nation? Dude, I'm pretty sure the South attacked them first.

Dude, I'm pretty sure the South attacked them first.

This is true. However, the attack on Fort Sumter was a pre-emptive self-defense measure. The North violated a soveirgn nation's [South Carolina] legal boundaries. They also posed a military threat to South Carolina by placing a hostile military fort within S.C.'s waters. Not to mention the Star of the West incident....

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he lost more battles than he won.
Are you saying losing the unimportant battles is more important than winning the important battles?
Hate to say it but I don't think you would be a very good general.

This is turning into a very interesting debate...anyone else want to share Presidents they love or loathe?

Off-topic, but New Foxxinnia, are you still doing that NS American football thing w/ Madden? If so, note that I replied to that thread....

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This is true. However, the attack on Fort Sumter was a pre-emptive self-defense measure. The North violated a soveirgn nation's [South Carolina] legal boundaries. They also posed a military threat to South Carolina by placing a hostile military fort within S.C.'s waters. Not to mention the Star of the West incident....

Me!I though Fort Sumter was there before the succesion

I though Fort Sumter was there before the succesion

It was...however, that has little to do with the arguement at hand. It was within South Carolina's soverign borders. They had all legal right to attack a potential enemy's base. If the USSR had constructed a military base in our waters during the Cold War, should we have attacked that base?

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