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Recently this Boston Yankee in a suit, Bush, claimed that he and the South share 'values'.

I'm curious what those 'values' could be. Guns&Jesus? Anti-abortion&anti-gay marriage?

Or maybe it's his handling of the economy? Maybe people in the south see "unemployment" as a value?

no offense, but Bush does represent all the negative stereotypes of a southern bumpkin. i'm not saying southerners are actually like that, but Bush is all the things most people think of when they think of a redneck--he's stupid, selfish, obsessively religious, ignorant of the world outside his own tiny sphere, and an utter embarassment to the rest of America. so, in that sense, he could be seen to share a great deal of his "values" with the south.

Ah, darn my ignorance!! :(

I should have realized that to a men who comes with a few bugs in the software "being stupid, selfish, obsessively religious, ignorant of the world outside his own tiny sphere, and an utter embarassment to the rest of America" is seen as "having values". :D

Which also clears up this one other thing...

The guy always poses as a Southerner when it's obvious he isn't... But to Bush living in the South a few years instantly makes him one. :rolleyes:

Ah, darn my ignorance!! :(

I should have realized that to a men who comes with a few bugs in the software "being stupid, selfish, obsessively religious, ignorant of the world outside his own tiny sphere, and an utter embarassment to the rest of America" is seen as "having values". :D

Which also clears up this one other thing...

The guy always poses as a Southerner when it's obvious he isn't... But to Bush living in the South a few years instantly makes him one. :rolleyes:

hey, i'm right there with you. i love that Bush is perceived as a Texan even though he is as New England as Kerry, but let's not expect the American public to bother to learn FACTS...we're talking about an election here, and facts shouldn't be allowed to cloud people's opinions ;).

Elections and facts at the same time?! HEAVEN FORBID!!!.... ;)

I find that to be very offensive. I am a southerner and I am an atheist. Also, what's wrong with being pro-gun and anti-abortion? I hope you die in a plane crash.

Some things just never change, do they? I think we should all know by now that facts and elections don't get too close to one another.

BTW, I agree that it's disgusting how Bush poses as a Southerner.

I find that to be very offensive. I am a southerner and I am an atheist. Also, what's wrong with being pro-gun and anti-abortion? I hope you die in a plane crash.
Uhh...mods?!
But, MBCRCN, if I can say anything positive to you, it's that at least you're not a hypocrite. You can't call yourself a Christian and be all like "woo! guns! killing! bring it on! yeah!"
Bush has got Southern support. It's conservative, but it ain't republican. Anyway, thought i throw in a semi-relevant quote on this from the famous southern heathen, George Wallace:
"The difference between a Democrat and a Southern Democrat is the difference between a communist and a non-communist."
Heh.

I find the first post in this thread to be very ignorant and streotypical. You are biased against the south. There are nothing wrong with them. Sure there are those that are considered "rednecks" that are in fact stupid but there are a lot more people of the city that are much worse. I personaly have only been to NY city a few times and am from Long Island but from those few trips is see that NY at times is a terrible place ridden with pollution unemployment and crime. The south has it right i believe. There slacked gun control considerably lessens crime. you don't have to worry about muggings or day robberys because well there is agood chance that person is goign to be shot. I see nothing wrong with religion even though I do not follow a religion even though i am "catholic" but i look up to those that do sometimes because they have something more than I. Bush may seem dumb at times i will admit but he is president and that is a hell of a lot more than u will ever acomplish. It takes some brains to do that. I think his major downfall is the lack of brains of the people that write his speaches. Do you seriously believe that any polotician today writes his own stuff? no. They put in there 2 cents and have someone else write it for them. The south has many great values. Religion is a big one. They like to stick to the 10 commandments and in my view everyone of those comandments is very good. At least he has values i dont know where yours went. insulting groups of people based on where they live is hardly a good value and you should be ashamed of yourself.

I find the first post in this thread to be very ignorant and streotypical. You are biased against the south.

Really? How? The things mentioned are frequently found in the South.

Side Note: I have been all through the South and I have Southern relatives.


There slacked gun control considerably lessens crime. you don't have to worry about muggings or day robberys because well there is agood chance that person is goign to be shot.

Picking New York was a bad example. It's basically a country onto itself! ;) Besides. What the racial mix of Southern Cities versus New York?

Ever look into how many guns are in New York?

What about the density factor of people crammed into that city?

Lax gun laws aren't why crime is low in the South. Which BTW is not exactly true. There are some spots in cities I would never walk around at night even armed. ;)


I see nothing wrong with religion even though I do not follow a religion even though i am "catholic" but i look up to those that do sometimes because they have something more than I. Bush may seem dumb at times i will admit but he is president and that is a hell of a lot more than u will ever acomplish.


And you know this how? I doubt his story is finished yet. Only time will tell.


It takes some brains to do that. I think his major downfall is the lack of brains of the people that write his speaches.

His track record suggests otherwise. Barely passing scores for flight school. Failed three companies that daddy gave him. I think he was involved with Sammy Sosa getting traded as well! ;)

Now a smart well conected father and a rich family seems to help as well.


Do you seriously believe that any polotician today writes his own stuff? no. They put in there 2 cents and have someone else write it for them.

There are some. I was going to pop off names but of course I blank....

The south has many great values. Religion is a big one. They like to stick to the 10 commandments and in my view everyone of those comandments is very good.

Do they now? But even in your own Redneck reference suggests otherwise.

As to Relgion. Hmmmm what about Bakker and Swaggert? Even Falwell and his comments that the public education system should be abolished and only Christian schools remain!


At least he has values i dont know where yours went. insulting groups of people based on where they live is hardly a good value and you should be ashamed of yourself.

What was that about judge not? :P

Sorry but having travled the South; it is hardly the garden of eden that you suggest.....

Yeah, all of us southerners are illiterate inbred racist pigs. Whatever. That makes the people claiming that just as big a stereotyping hypocrits as can be. I have lived in the North and the South and you know what I found, guess what the North has just as much racism, maybe more. It does not matter what part of the country you are in, or even what country you are in, racism exists. Yes I am southern, yes I am a proud redneck get over it. If you don't like it then tough. I will not change to make you happy. Clean out your own closets before you start trashing mine.
Bush is NOT a southerner, he is from the north deal with it.
Yeah the south had slavery, 100 years ago. You know what that means, it means we had the alleged non racists in the north shoving it down our throats until we were forced to deal with it. Now yankees time to deal with your own racism.
I will do something I don't normally do, I am going to tell you something about my beliefs...being from a small redneck town in the south I am a pagan heathen. I did not vote for either Bush and will not. I do not own a firearm, have no desire to, I have no problems with homosexuals, I have performed same sex marriages. I hate bigots regardless of race, creed, nationality or geographic locale, that means yankees, blacks, whites, southerners, westerners, I don't care, you are all offensive to me if you judge someone based on race, religion, or where someone is was born at.
I will also speak with my southern accent all I damn well want.
Oh and one other thing, I have a PhD in Religious Counseling, I made a national honors society and have a genius level IQ. So much for being illiterate. I am not inbred either. And you can ask the people of the varying races, religions and nationality I hang with just how racist I am.
So for all you who want to judge me just because I am from the south, get over yourselves and quit being bigots.

So, you have family in the South? Been through the South too, huh? Ok, now I will give the opinion of someone who lives in the south. I wasn't born here, but I would think that nine years of living here gives me a bit more perspective. The people here consider me to be one of their own now, and I feel as such. I even have gained a bit of the drawl. Bush shares my values. Shares the values the majority of my town too. The mayor, a democrat, will be voting for him too. The South isn't as affected by unemployment as the rest of the country, so we aren't exactly bitter about that. Gas prices are pretty low here too. Don't see anything wrong with being lax on gun laws, pro-religion, or pro-family values either. Maybe I am just a stupid country bumpkin, but I see those as good things. I think quite a few Americans in other states do too, and want to see the United States keep them. Thusly they will vote for him come November 2. As for the comment about Rednecks. They aren't bad people. Some people find them uncultured, but that is only if you are a condescending individual who is not even slightly interested in the person. Being a redneck is having, as Jeff Foxworthy put it, a glorious lack of sophistication. I am proud to call Bush a Southerner. We are the ones who get to call him one anyways. It's our group. We decide.I don't see a thing wrong with that. But then again, I am just a country bumpkin living in a flat, middle-of-nowhere town. Pay no attention to what I might think.

Wait, by southern accent, do you mean the sorta gentlemen's drawl, or...as my friend in tennesse calls it, the "That them there truck!" accent?

Cause if it's the first, then you're extremely super-cool :p

Wait, by southern accent, do you mean the sorta gentlemen's drawl, or...as my friend in tennesse calls it, the "That them there truck!" accent?

Cause if it's the first, then you're extremely super-cool :p

If by that you mean that my sentence structure and all other grammer usage is correct but I tend to draw out some of my words and speak slowly and deliberately, then yes, I speak in a gentleman's drawl. At least that is how I have always heard a gentleman'd drawl defined. I am a bit young to get the full effect of it, though. I do use the word ain't on occasion, but I try to keep it to a minimum. I used to have somewhat of a Rhode Island accent, but it is Southern now.

Heh, that was exactly what I was talking about. Awesome.

I'm a boring ol' Californian. We don't have accents :(

Heh, He is the stereotypical bumpkin because he was Governor of Taxas.

I find the first post in this thread to be very ignorant and streotypical. You are biased against the south.

:rolleyes:

Has the thought that I was exaggerating for entertainment purposes ever crossed your dim witted mind? Ever?...

There is too much in your post that stands in need of correction for me to bother, I'll just commend on this:


Bush may seem dumb at times i will admit but he is president and that is a hell of a lot more than u will ever acomplish. It takes some brains to do that.

Please explain how getting your presidency as a graduation gift takes "some brains".

Please explain why your arguments are vague, offensive, pointless, and show no sources to back themselves up.

Bush only shares his "values" with the ignorant bible-beaten south--not the emerging South

What is the emerging south?

when people are objecting to "the first post" on this thread, do they mean the founding post or the first post after the founder's (i.e. mine)? just wondering.

What is the emerging south?
the new enlightened south that has crawled out of the muddy inbred swamps of the old south

Please explain why your arguments are vague, offensive, pointless, and show no sources to back themselves up.

:rolleyes:

Again, has the thought that I was exaggerating for entertainment purposes ever crossed your dim witted mind?

And there is nothing vague or pointless about any of my arguments. Well, not if you'd open your eyes / pull your head out of your ass. :) No offense intended of course.

And why bother presenting sources when you can do your own homework? Never serves to spoonfeed the lazy, does it?

And yes, it is true that the truth is often found offensive by those who are in denial. Thanks for pointing that out.

I'm sorry about the sincereity of your condition.

It's not MY job to do homework for you, it's YOUR job to do your homework in order to convince me. Until you do other wise, I will feel sorrow for your misguided soul of propagandinized bullshit.

Now Childeren please, lets try to keep it civil.
And RA, can you be a bit more specific?

Now Childeren please, lets try to keep it civil.
And RA, can you be a bit more specific?
are u talken to me?

The second line was directed at you. Although come to think of it the first isnt entirely inapplicable either.

I'm sorry about the sincereity of your condition.

It's not MY job to do homework for you, it's YOUR job to do your homework in order to convince me. Until you do other wise, I will feel sorrow for your misguided soul of propagandinized bullshit.

Surely you must realize that in this case, how the boy king known as Little Bush got the presidency, it is futile to present facts that anyone who has paid attention should have full knowledge off by now. Either that or you did not pay attention and are ignorant of those facts, in which case I feel no obligation to fill you in as you are then clearly too lazy to do the groundwork yourself.

BTW What made you assume I was trying to convince you of anything?

the south-- hopefully--appears to be finished with trying to drag down the rest of the nation with its backwards ways as retaliation for their ancient grudge over the civil war (which they deserved to lose btw)

DO YOUR HOMEWORK, OR ELSE EVERYONE WILL THINK YOU'RE TALKING SHIT.

Sorry to talk in caps, but the situation called for it.

We haven't been here a week and TRA's already flamebaiting.

I love it ;)

MBCRCN too.

the south-- hopefully--appears to be finished with trying to drag down the rest of the nation with its backwards ways as retaliation for their ancient grudge over the civil war (which they deserved to lose btw)


Not all of us southerners are idiotic bible bashers still holding a grudge about a war 140 years ago you know...

We haven't been here a week and TRA's already flamebaiting.

I love it ;)
the truth is a wieldy sword :)

So, you have family in the South? Been through the South too, huh? Ok, now I will give the opinion of someone who lives in the south. I wasn't born here, but I would think that nine years of living here gives me a bit more perspective.
*snip*


You overlook my intent. The person was making the south sound superior to anybody else. Has no problems.

My point is that it is as messed up as anywhere else.

Not all of us southerners are idiotic bible bashers still holding a grudge about a war 140 years ago you know...
I know--your part of the emerging south---a neo southerner

Damn I thought you had some kinda complex insightful concept worked out.
So what your saying is that there are less poor people in the south, that the Standard of living is on the rise?

Naw, I meant, TRA has a deep reputation for this. It's actually really hilarious.


You know what? I miss all the REALLY out there people. Anyone remember FWS? Man, HE was a card. Great times, great times...

Damn I thought you had some kinda complex insightful concept worked out.
So what your saying is that there are less poor people in the south, that the Standard of living is on the rise?
yes--people in the south are becoming liberated from the shackles of religious fears and superstitions and becoming more enlightened as a result

DO YOUR HOMEWORK, OR ELSE EVERYONE WILL THINK YOU'RE TALKING SHIT.

Sorry to talk in caps, but the situation called for it.

:rolleyes:

And now you are assuming to be qualified to tell me what everyone will think... How stupid can you get? Maybe next you will tell me that God does not only talk to Bush, but to you as well? lol

Again, at this point it is meaningless to present the facts concerning how Bush got his presidency as those facts should be common knowledge to those interested in the subject. For you to demand those facts to be dished up once again, as they have been to the point of ad nauseam here at NS, is like a graduate math student asking to have the tables of multiplication explained again.

Naw, I meant, TRA has a deep reputation for this. It's actually really hilarious.


You know what? I miss all the REALLY out there people. Anyone remember FWS? Man, HE was a card. Great times, great times...
it seems like alotta people are missing

Nawww, FWS was banned. YOu don't remember? Aw, we had a GREAT time with him. You know, FaciestWhiteStates. I called him Whitey once and he complained to the mods that I was being raciest.

Nawww, FWS was banned. YOu don't remember? Aw, we had a GREAT time with him. You know, FaciestWhiteStates. I called him Whitey once and he complained to the mods that I was being raciest.
its better when people like that arent banned cause they make the forum more stimulated

SoOk, now I will give the opinion of someone who lives in the south. I wasn't born here, but I would think that nine years of living here gives me a bit more perspective. The people here consider me to be one of their own now, and I feel as such. I even have gained a bit of the drawl. Bush shares my values."

Well, as a... let's see... sixth... seventh generation Southerner, I can assure you that Bush does not share my values nor the values of many that I know. Our values do not exactly include killing thousands for a lie that continues to devalue our status as a nation; 'traditional' Southern values like bigotry and religious intolerance are those that Bush refer to.

You're in a different part of the South than where I'm from, most people around here would consider you to be where you're from originally than a Southerner. One of my dad's coworkers has lived here for years and nobody really considers him a Tennesseean. He's a Yankee and always will be.

Your children would be Southerners, but you're a transplant, not a Southerner, and I think more people than you'd expect would tell you that if you insisted on the truth. It's not impossible that people have totally accepted you as a Southern, but I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't. It depends on where you came from though; a Midwesterner would probably make the transition more smoothly than somebody from the North or West.

A drawl? I'm guessing that means Deep South; Alabama, south Georgia, or Mississippi. The Appalachians have a twang rather than a drawl (the difference being that a twang is more nasal and owes more to the Scotch-Irish than any other group), the Carolinas is not really a twang or a drawl, same as Virginia, while Floridians don't really have any real Southern accent as the native Floridian is an endangered species.

The South isn't as affected by unemployment as the rest of the country, so we aren't exactly bitter about that. Gas prices are pretty low here too.

Actually, unemployment is a definite problem here as well, as well as underemployment. Sure, gas prices are lower, but high gas prices take a bigger bite due to the simple fact that we make less money than other regions.

Don't see anything wrong with being lax on gun laws, pro-religion, or pro-family values either.

Well, I'm pro-gun control, so I tend to disagree on that. I will admit that position is probably the minority among Southern males, though probably not to the extent that most people think.

Pro-religion is not necessarily a bad thing, except when the appeal is to right-wing cranks to the exclusion of any moderates.

And family values? How is anything that Bush has done even remotely connected with family values?

As for the comment about Rednecks. They aren't bad people.

Well, it's just slang for somebody who has a redneck because they work in the sun all day and get their necks sunburnt. Most people confuse White Trash with Redneck when they're two very different things. The latter is more salt-of-the-Earth type, while the former would be the Ewells from 'To Kill a Mockingbird'.

Being a redneck is having, as Jeff Foxworthy put it, a glorious lack of sophistication.

Ugh, do not mention He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named as he's done far more to promote the notion that Redneck and White Trash are synonymous. He's done more damage to Southern culture than anything this side of the Duke boys.

I am proud to call Bush a Southerner. We are the ones who get to call him one anyways. It's our group. We decide.

Well, I don't consider him a Southerner; I'd lean more towards arrogant jackass.

I'm not from the South I'm from Florida.

Seriously, I'm okay with the left you know, but there are times when it sickens me.... like so.

First of all, we were stupid enough to vote for Bush, don't blame outside influences.

Second, is it a sin to be conservative? Some of my friends are conservative, doesn't mean they bible beat or are ignorant.

Also, I'm anti-abortion, not pro-life. You see, I know the fetus isn't really alive, but if you couldn't keep your legs closed, your fault. Of course there are exceptions in times of rape and medical reasons.

But back to the subject, please don't knock on the South just because Bush lived in Texas eh? Seriously, that redneck thing eh... this is why I can't pick a side @.@

Let's keep it clean eh folks?