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MLB Discussion Part II

IDF
14-07-2004, 02:10
Lets discuss anything and everuthing baseball. (by the way GO WHITE SOX)
Vezkneia
14-07-2004, 02:37
I think the Red Sox will get Randy Johnson and the New York Yankees will get back Roger Clemons. Go Red Sox Yankees & Devil Rays suck and always will.
Vezkneia
14-07-2004, 02:37
I think the Red Sox will get Randy Johnson and the New York Yankees will get back Roger Clemons. Go Red Sox. Yankees & Devil Rays suck and always will.
Vexilars
14-07-2004, 02:38
Clemens sure stunk it up that first inning. That and Kent's error sure have those hometown Astros fans feeling proud I'll bet.

Go Cardinals!!
Go Twins!!

Hey, my first Jolt post!
IDF
14-07-2004, 05:10
The Sox will win the AL Central with Freddy Garcia.
IDF
14-07-2004, 05:30
Now I will go down this poll.

Fist we will examine the Bo Sox pitching. They have two good starters in Curt Schilling and Pedro Martinez. Schilling has been flawless at Fenway, but he has faltered elswhere, but he is still a solid pitcher. Pedro is not the pitcher from last year, but he is still effective. He may leave Boston at the end of the year to go to the Yanks. The rest of the staff is OK. I say overall that Boston has good pitching. (except against New York). They might get Randy Johnson soon

Next we examine the New York Yankees: They lost Pettite and Clemens at the end of last year. That hurt them. They did pick up Flash Gordon from FA. Vasquez has done OK and the staff has been pretty solid. Mussina has done well and Lieber has come through when needed. Not the best staff, but still good. They also may get the Big unit soon

Now lets look at Oakland, the best staff in the AL in my opinion. They have Mulder kicking ass and dominating. Hudson is awesome lately. Redman is the only pitcher that has been a dissapointment. the possibility of getting Johnson strengthens them. They are consistent as a staff.

The Sox started out bad with no real 5th starter, expect them to have the 2nd half best staff. Buehrle has been awesome. Garland is finally getting it together. Schoe at 5-6 is still good for a 5th starter. Freddy Garcia is a HUGE pickup that will help in October (if they get there). Loaiza has been dissapointing, but still has a good record (8-4) He should improve. The team has inflated ERAs due to the changed physics of a redesigned USCF that allows balls to fly out of there. Shingo has been awsome. IT'S SHINGO TIME. the Bullpen is awesome and actually perfect since trading Billy Koch. Well Mike Jackson has sucked.

I will cover the rest in another post or an edit.
Captain JamesT Kirk
15-07-2004, 04:20
go White Sox
IDF
15-07-2004, 15:17
NOw lets cover the Flubs. Their pitching staff is overated.

STARTERS: Kerry Wood is the club ace. Everyone seems to think he is a Cy Young candidate or something. This guy spends more time on the DL than on the field. He is yet to win more than 14 games in a season. He may have a lot of Strike outs, but he takes too many pitches in an inning and can only last 6-7 innings resulting in the bullpen coming in and giving him no decisions when they blow it. If he took less pitches that wouldn't be a problem. He tends to choke when the games count.

Prior, overrated and always on the DL (partly due to Dusty). He has a high ERA this year and an average record. I'd say that last year was a fluke.

more to come on the Flubs...
Yerffej
15-07-2004, 15:42
Come on White Sox, you don't even say anything about NS Baseball?

ANYWAY, for all those interested, there is a NationStates Baseball League that is about to start it's 3rd Season! We have an advanced simulator (you distribute points to your players, and it simulates every at-bat), and we are led by everybody's favorite RPer, Steel Butterfly! Anyway, for all those interested, swing over to the website, and check it out. Any questions, feel free to telegram me.
http://invisionfree.com/forums/NationState_Baseball/
BTW: Go Braves!
IDF
16-07-2004, 05:03
I was going to post the link, but you beat me to it, thanks.
IDF
16-07-2004, 06:01
Bump
IDF
16-07-2004, 08:06
come on
Incertonia
16-07-2004, 08:10
Clemens sure stunk it up that first inning. That and Kent's error sure have those hometown Astros fans feeling proud I'll bet.

Go Cardinals!!
Go Twins!!

Hey, my first Jolt post!
I heard a rumor that Piazza was telling the AL batters what Clemens was going to throw so they'd light him up--bit of revenge for the beaning and the bat incident from a few years ago. Of course, it's just rumor, completely unsubstantiated, but still fun to wonder about.
IDF
19-07-2004, 21:51
Sox got Everett. WIll help replace the Big Hurt
IDF
16-08-2004, 05:22
White Sox slumped but are coming back after beating the Carmines at Fenway. We got Contreras for Elo and the Flubies collapsed
Davistania
16-08-2004, 05:34
NOw lets cover the Flubs. Their pitching staff is overated.

STARTERS: Kerry Wood is the club ace. Everyone seems to think he is a Cy Young candidate or something. This guy spends more time on the DL than on the field. He is yet to win more than 14 games in a season. He may have a lot of Strike outs, but he takes too many pitches in an inning and can only last 6-7 innings resulting in the bullpen coming in and giving him no decisions when they blow it. If he took less pitches that wouldn't be a problem. He tends to choke when the games count.

Prior, overrated and always on the DL (partly due to Dusty). He has a high ERA this year and an average record. I'd say that last year was a fluke.

more to come on the Flubs...

Hey, hey, hey! If you want to talk about the Cubs, why discuss the two people who've been injured? Both Wood and Prior are now back, and are pitching as well as ever. They're getting on a roll. If they can keep it up remains to be seen.

Who you haven't discussed is important: Carlos Zambrano. He's one of the best in baseball. Maddux, while not the Maddux of old, can still pitch better than 80% of the others in the league. Clement would have more wins if the Cubs wouldn't conspicuously not score any runs when he pitches.

Simply put, the Cubs have the best rotation in baseball. If their combined team ERA isn't the lowest, it's darn close and will drop with Wood and Prior now playing.

The bane of the Cubs' existance is finding good relief pitching. The Farns can't pull it off. Mercker choked big just today.

The other thing bothering the Cubs was finding a SS who could hit. Now they have Nomar.

Plus, consider the fact that Chicago has a pretty easy schedule this last part of the year. The Cubs will probably make the playoffs, and I see them getting to the NLCS, losing to St. Louis because St. Louis is wicked good.

St. Louis to will WS.
New Genoa
16-08-2004, 05:36
I love the Yankees but if you ask my Steinbrenner is evil. But hey, he wants to win so that's good. :) At least he cares.
IDF
16-08-2004, 05:43
Hey, hey, hey! If you want to talk about the Cubs, why discuss the two people who've been injured? Both Wood and Prior are now back, and are pitching as well as ever. They're getting on a roll. If they can keep it up remains to be seen.

Who you haven't discussed is important: Carlos Zambrano. He's one of the best in baseball. Maddux, while not the Maddux of old, can still pitch better than 80% of the others in the league. Clement would have more wins if the Cubs wouldn't conspicuously not score any runs when he pitches.

Simply put, the Cubs have the best rotation in baseball. If their combined team ERA isn't the lowest, it's darn close and will drop with Wood and Prior now playing.

The bane of the Cubs' existance is finding good relief pitching. The Farns can't pull it off. Mercker choked big just today.

The other thing bothering the Cubs was finding a SS who could hit. Now they have Nomar.

Plus, consider the fact that Chicago has a pretty easy schedule this last part of the year. The Cubs will probably make the playoffs, and I see them getting to the NLCS, losing to St. Louis because St. Louis is wicked good.

St. Louis to will WS.


Prior and WOod are both .500 pitchers and nothing more. Zambrano is a mental case who can't concentrate and argues with umps to get ejected. He is collapsing the 2nd half. Maddux is on and off this year and Clement walks at the end of this year. I'd gladly take a staff of Buehrle, Garcia, Contreras, and Garland (even Scott Schoenweiss when his arm gets better and is back to usual form) over the Flub staff who loves giving games away. Look at today, they blow a 5-2 or 5-1 7th inning lead. Farnsworth, Rusch, Hawkins, and the rest of the pen sucks balls. (Clement has been rumored to be talking about headed 8.1 miles south at the end of the year I'd like to see him with the run support that the southside lumber company can provide and he would be good with our big 4 who are signed through 2006 or 2007)

Their batting isn't great Nomar walks for FA at the end of the year as they can't keep him (he'll go to Anaheim or Atlanta). Sosa is sucking and people in Chicago are calling for his head (just listen to 670 WSCR the Score if you live in Chicago of ESPN 1000 WMVP on the radio). ALou is always injured and not a team player, neighter is Sosa who just plays salsa music in the clubhouse to avoid the media while he goes 0 for 5 and gets a K in the clutch. The team can't play fundamental ball
IDF
16-08-2004, 05:45
I love the Yankees but if you ask my Steinbrenner is evil. But hey, he wants to win so that's good. :) At least he cares.
at the expense of our teams, but I must ask, how do you like Esteban? He has been sucking it in NY and we got Contreras, and guess what, he turns out good. He is 2-0 (should be 3-0 but he got a no decision in a win that was picked up by the pen after going 8 innings giving up 1 run) He even beat Boston and his record this year is 9-1 if you exclude his 5 Boston starts (including the win on Friday)
Davistania
16-08-2004, 05:51
ALou is always injured and not a team player, neighter is Sosa who just plays salsa music in the clubhouse to avoid the media while he goes 0 for 5 and gets a K in the clutch. The team can't play fundamental ball

Yes, Sosa is in the twilight. And I never said the pen was good. The Farns is okay. But Alou pisses on his hands. You have to give the guy credit. I think that's enough to get into the postseason alone.
IDF
16-08-2004, 05:58
Yes, Sosa is in the twilight. And I never said the pen was good. The Farns is okay. But Alou pisses on his hands. You have to give the guy credit. I think that's enough to get into the postseason alone.
No bullpen = no postseason. No clutch hittin = no post season, lack of fundamental baseball = no postseason
blowing key games = no post season

Don't give me the Sosa age thing, Bonds is older and much better with the highest BA in MLB. Sosa doesn't have an age problem, but rather a I'm not a team player, won't clutch hit, and it's Me Me Me when we win, but you get the blame when we lose with me striking out with the bases loaded to end a game
Davistania
16-08-2004, 06:11
No bullpen = no postseason. No clutch hittin = no post season, lack of fundamental baseball = no postseason
blowing key games = no post season

Don't give me the Sosa age thing, Bonds is older and much better with the highest BA in MLB. Sosa doesn't have an age problem, but rather a I'm not a team player, won't clutch hit, and it's Me Me Me when we win, but you get the blame when we lose with me striking out with the bases loaded to end a game

Yes, but Barry Bonds is Barry Bonds. 50 years from now we will be telling our grandchildren's children that we saw Bonds play.

Besides, the big thing sinking the Cubs is their reliance on the deep ball. Too many runs come from HRs.

Also, I think Patterson's a good ballplayer, but a real lead-off man would be nice.
IDF
16-08-2004, 06:20
Yes, but Barry Bonds is Barry Bonds. 50 years from now we will be telling our grandchildren's children that we saw Bonds play.

Besides, the big thing sinking the Cubs is their reliance on the deep ball. Too many runs come from HRs.

Also, I think Patterson's a good ballplayer, but a real lead-off man would be nice.
I agree with what you said, even the Sox have that problem, but not as rampant. The Sox hit too many solo HRs, but still get enough small ball runs to win (example against BoSox this weekend with a mix of HRs and fundamental Baseball)

Patterson never should've been a leadoff, you should've kept Lofton
Davistania
16-08-2004, 06:42
I agree with what you said, even the Sox have that problem, but not as rampant. The Sox hit too many solo HRs, but still get enough small ball runs to win (example against BoSox this weekend with a mix of HRs and fundamental Baseball)

Patterson never should've been a leadoff, you should've kept Lofton

Why are we even contemplating this? St. Louis is going to win it all anyway, pissed-on-hands or no-pissed-on-hands.
IDF
16-08-2004, 16:49
Why are we even contemplating this? St. Louis is going to win it all anyway, pissed-on-hands or no-pissed-on-hands.

Here is something to remember, the Yankees are near unbeatable in October, yes they lost the past few years, but they are due and always win in election years
Davistania
16-08-2004, 17:14
Here is something to remember, the Yankees are near unbeatable in October, yes they lost the past few years, but they are due and always win in election years

But they're evil. And St. Louis is just playing better baseball.
British Morocco
16-08-2004, 17:26
But they're evil. And St. Louis is just playing better baseball.
I agree the YankMES are evil, but I don't think the Cards can stay hot long, expect Oakland (no joke, look at their pitching)
New Genoa
16-08-2004, 18:13
at the expense of our teams, but I must ask, how do you like Esteban? He has been sucking it in NY and we got Contreras, and guess what, he turns out good. He is 2-0 (should be 3-0 but he got a no decision in a win that was picked up by the pen after going 8 innings giving up 1 run) He even beat Boston and his record this year is 9-1 if you exclude his 5 Boston starts (including the win on Friday)

Esteban is so-so and btw about contreas -- he's on and off good. he'll get a few really good starts, then suck, then get good starts, then suck. he isn't consistent. but when he's on, he's really good.
Davistania
16-08-2004, 18:36
I agree the YankMES are evil, but I don't think the Cards can stay hot long, expect Oakland (no joke, look at their pitching)

Oakland always has great pitching, even though their payroll is really small. They really are the little baseball team that could. But this happens every year, and something just gets in their way.
IDF
16-08-2004, 19:54
Oakland always has great pitching, even though their payroll is really small. They really are the little baseball team that could. But this happens every year, and something just gets in their way.
yeah, the yankees or Carmines, but Oakland finally has some offense to back up the pitching and can beat the Yankees. All I have to say is Mark Mulder