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However you spell Farenheit, that movie.. I kinda support it.

Fahrenheit 9/11.

And there are more than enough threads about the movie here.

its more bs from moore

i like how ray bradbury is suing him for copying the name from his book lol

I won't go see it. And I am more or less against anybody else seeing it. His movie is slightly treasoness, and basically what is he doing, he's insulting and trying to make look bad our president, the guy who may not be his best because of the tons of hours he puts into his job and little sleep he gets so he can defend a nation and the right for someone like micheal moore to make a movie like that.

Moore is an anti-American and his movie should not shown in a theater.

Moore is an anti-American and his movie should not shown in a theater.
How is Moore anti-American and why should his film not be shown?

This movie is 2 hours of truth -- however bitter a pill it may be for Americans to swallow.

You'd all do yourself a favour to explore what a nation does rather than simply swallow what it says.

Moore is an anti-American and his movie should not shown in a theater.
How is Moore anti-American and why should his film not be shown?

This movie is 2 hours of truth -- however bitter a pill it may be for Americans to swallow.

You'd all do yourself a favour to explore what a nation does rather than simply swallow what it says.

How is it 2 hours of truth when Moore himself said it was a biased film? He took facts and twisted them. Not 2 hours of truth hun, but 2 hours of entertainment in my book!

I haven't seen it yet, but I plan to. So what happened to the value of Free Speech? People not allowed to speak out in American anymore? You know tis basically written into your constitution, that if you don't like the current Government, you can rebel and change it. Check it out ;)

This movie is 2 hours of truth -- however bitter a pill it may be for Americans to swallow.

You'd all do yourself a favour to explore what a nation does rather than simply swallow what it says.

How is it 2 hours of truth when Moore himself said it was a biased film? He took facts and twisted them. Not 2 hours of truth hun, but 2 hours of entertainment in my book!
How would you know if you haven't seen the film?

This movie is 2 hours of truth -- however bitter a pill it may be for Americans to swallow.

You'd all do yourself a favour to explore what a nation does rather than simply swallow what it says.

How is it 2 hours of truth when Moore himself said it was a biased film? He took facts and twisted them. Not 2 hours of truth hun, but 2 hours of entertainment in my book!
How would you know if you haven't seen the film?

Because Moore is left and he doesn't like Bush and he himself said so! As such its 2 hours of entertainment! Anyone takes it for gospel needs to have their heads examined!

Just because Moore is against Bush doesn't make him anti-American.
If being a Liberal or a Democrat is anti-American, I find that a very crude, uneducated, rascist remark against people because they disagree with a man whom I personally wouldn't trust to take out the garbage.
Then again, I don't trust any politicians.

This movie is 2 hours of truth -- however bitter a pill it may be for Americans to swallow.

You'd all do yourself a favour to explore what a nation does rather than simply swallow what it says.

How is it 2 hours of truth when Moore himself said it was a biased film? He took facts and twisted them. Not 2 hours of truth hun, but 2 hours of entertainment in my book!
How would you know if you haven't seen the film?

Because Moore is left and he doesn't like Bush and he himself said so! As such its 2 hours of entertainment! Anyone takes it for gospel needs to have their heads examined!
You made a statement. You said "He took facts and twisted them. Not 2 hours of truth", and all I am saying is how can you be qualified to make that statement without seeing the film?

This movie is 2 hours of truth -- however bitter a pill it may be for Americans to swallow.

You'd all do yourself a favour to explore what a nation does rather than simply swallow what it says.

How is it 2 hours of truth when Moore himself said it was a biased film? He took facts and twisted them. Not 2 hours of truth hun, but 2 hours of entertainment in my book!
How would you know if you haven't seen the film?

Because Moore is left and he doesn't like Bush and he himself said so! As such its 2 hours of entertainment! Anyone takes it for gospel needs to have their heads examined!
You made a statement. You said "He took facts and twisted them. Not 2 hours of truth", and all I am saying is how can you be qualified to make that statement without seeing the film?

Hello? I've seen the previews and its been debated. The facts are twisted and its a known fact. I don't need to see it to know that its biased and that the facts portrayed are twisted to distort them. I'm surprised you didn't know this CanuckHeaven!

And you believe you can trust these sources. Go watch the movie, then do your own research. That way you can have the true answer. Many of these people against Moore, are what we call "Public Relations" people for Bush. Its their job to discredit this man as nothing more then a raving lunatic.

And you believe you can trust these sources. Go watch the movie, then do your own research. That way you can have the true answer. Many of these people against Moore, are what we call "Public Relations" people for Bush. Its their job to discredit this man as nothing more then a raving lunatic.

I'm not wasting my money on his works. I would sooner waste my money buying clothes at a department store then sit down for 2 hours watching something that is 100% one sided, full of half truths and twisted facts.

So the reviews you read were not biased and one sided?

So the reviews you read were not biased and one sided?

I've heard mixed reviews to be honest. On here since most are left they loved it. Others, from VARIOUS SOURCES liked it but others hated it! I myself don't trust more as far as I can throw him. Therefor, I'll stick with Docu-Drama's that do tell both side of the story.

So the reviews you read were not biased and one sided?

I've heard mixed reviews to be honest. On here since most are left they loved it. Others, from VARIOUS SOURCES liked it but others hated it! I myself don't trust more as far as I can throw him. Therefor, I'll stick with Docu-Drama's that do tell both side of the story.

www.ign.com hated it, so i guess it was a pretty shitty movie

(even better)
Fahrenheit 9/11
Review: Michael Moore's new documentary is more ranting and raving than effective filmmaking.

June 24, 2004 - Controversy is nothing new for Michael Moore. Bowling for Columbine was Moore's most successful film to date and it made him a household name. Whether you agree with Michael Moore's politics or not, his effectiveness as a filmmaker is undeniable. Columbine was sharp, witty and biting in ways that few documentaries are able to accomplish. While some have spoken out vehemently against the film, I think even they would be hard-pressed not to find a few points in that film that they could agree with. In the hoopla surrounding the success of Columbine and its ultimate victory in the Best Documentary category at the Academy Awards, Moore became a much more visible figure. His notorious outburst at the Oscars against Bush drew both boos and cheers.


Enter Fahrenheit 9/11. In the wake of Moore's Oscar win and President Bush's growing legion of haters, Moore has made a film that is essentially the feature-length version of his Oscar outburst. Bush detractors should enjoy the film much like going to an anti-Bush rally, but the narrow vision of the film makes its chance of actually accomplishing anything or converting any newcomers highly unlikely.

What made films like Roger and Me, The Big One and Bowling for Columbine so effective was Moore's skillful presentation. Using comedy to expose often difficult and dramatic subject-matter, Moore entertained while he educated. He also presented multiple points of view. Of course, he effectively weaved these points of view through his own lens, but he still presented them and let things play themselves out more naturally. When we are taught to write our first report papers in grammar school, teachers always stress that we must present both sides of the story in order to write an effective paper. Moore could benefit from taking this lesson again.

Now, I know what many reading this are going to say: Bush is an idiot. There is no other side to it. Without taking a political stance one way or the other, all I can say is that making a film which only placates those already on the anti-Bush wagon really serves no purpose. Fahrenheit 9/11 shows endless footage of Bush looking like a buffoon. Some are scenes we've seen before and some are lesser known footage Moore has obtained over the years from his insider contacts. This is a one-note joke that gets tired fast. With each passing clip, Moore appears all the more desperate.

Fahrenheit works when Moore is doing what he does best: presenting information he's acquired and allowing conclusions to be drawn. Of course, Moore always does what he can to help these conclusions along as much as he can. Things like Moore's belief in the Bush family connections to Al Qaeda and the information he shows to prove that the 2000 Presidential election was bought are interesting, whichever side you are on. When Moore shows the attitude change of a woman whose son was killed in the war in Afghanistan, the film truly loses focus. At first, the situation is a powerful one, the once patriotic mother reading a letter from her now-dead son in which he says that Bush doesn't know what they are doing over there. As the scene goes on and on and on, Moore's manipulation reaches a fever pitch from which it never recovers. Instead of being pulled into what should be a powerful moment, I found myself tuning out after a while. Still, Moore stays on the woman, using her pain as a vehicle for his own voice.

The best moments of Moore's films have always been his gags. Besides providing laughs, they communicated points and demonstrated issues using the adage that laughter is the best medicine for anything that ills us. In The Big One, Moore challenges Nike head honcho Phil Knight to a foot race. Moore's deal is that if he can beat Knight, he must bring a Nike factory to his hometown of Flint, Michigan. In Bowling for Columbine, Moore brings two of the school shooting's victims to the K-Mart headquarters, a stunt which actually accomplishes a decision on the part of K-Mart to stop carrying ammunition. While these scenes are clearly manipulation, they have a sharp focus and wit. They are effective and attempt to accomplish something. The gags in Fahrenheit are stale, feeling more like outtakes from one of Moore's own TV shows. In one sequence, Moore drives around outside the House of Representatives in an ice cream truck reading the Patriot Act. Later, Moore shamelessly bombards members of Congress on the street, asking them to send their own children off to war. These moments provide some brief chuckles, but mostly feel forced and uninventive. Wouldn't this have been more effective if Moore had tried to contact these people instead of just walking up to them on the street? After all, there reaction is exactly what we'd expect, so who cares?

I would imagine that the intent of the film was to bring what he believes to be an unjust system and disreputable presidency to light, to show those who may trust our President some facts and situations that may change their mind. Fahrenheit is unlikely to win Moore any new supporters. Those who already see his perspective should enjoy a feature film of Bush-bashing, but isn't that like going to see your favorite baseball team play against an opposing team that never shows up? Now, before you click on my name below and send me a message of hate, understand that I am a fan of Moore's filmmaking and my thoughts on the film have nothing to do with my political leanings one way or another. What I am saying is that Fahrenheit 9/11 is a product of Moore's own ego, and its narrow focus ultimately serves no one outside Moore himself.

-- Jeff Otto

This movie is 2 hours of truth -- however bitter a pill it may be for Americans to swallow.

You'd all do yourself a favour to explore what a nation does rather than simply swallow what it says.

How is it 2 hours of truth when Moore himself said it was a biased film? He took facts and twisted them. Not 2 hours of truth hun, but 2 hours of entertainment in my book!
How would you know if you haven't seen the film?

She's not old enough to see the movie, it's rated R, she's only 15. So, there ya have it. If you want to take your political opinions from a child, be my guest. ;)

Fahrenheit 9/11.

And there are more than enough threads about the movie here.

Agreed. If you want to see it, go for it. If you don't fine. If you watch these films and accept them as undeniable fact then you are doing yourself a great disservice.

This movie is 2 hours of truth -- however bitter a pill it may be for Americans to swallow.

You'd all do yourself a favour to explore what a nation does rather than simply swallow what it says.

How is it 2 hours of truth when Moore himself said it was a biased film? He took facts and twisted them. Not 2 hours of truth hun, but 2 hours of entertainment in my book!
How would you know if you haven't seen the film?

She's not old enough to see the movie, it's rated R, she's only 15. So, there ya have it. If you want to take your political opinions from a child, be my guest. ;)

yo steph!! dont be dissin' my peeps in hood aight? but on a more serious note, that was really low. shame on you! and i suppose being a moderator hasnt lost its charm has it? :) :wink:

She's not old enough to see the movie, it's rated R, she's only 15. So, there ya have it. If you want to take your political opinions from a child, be my guest. ;)

A child that has posted a link to a review stating exactly what she was talking about.
It is not a new revelation that Moore manipulates facts and edits footage to guide people to his conclusions.

She's not old enough to see the movie, it's rated R, she's only 15. So, there ya have it. If you want to take your political opinions from a child, be my guest. ;)

A child that has posted a link to a review stating exactly what she was talking about.
It is not a new revelation that Moore manipulates facts and edits footage to guide people to his conclusions.

She didn't see the movie.. I did and he (Moore) didn't present any thing in the movie that we all didn't already know. If there were lies in the movie the right would have him in court so fast it would make our heads spin.. The fact that no one has, speaks volumes.

I'm sorry, I'm a parent of two children, I think a 15 year old is a child. When get to my age, you will too

She didn't see the movie.. I did and he (Moore) didn't present any thing in the movie that we all didn't already know. If there were lies in the movie the right would have him in court so fast it would make our heads spin.. The fact that no one has, speaks volumes.

I'm sorry, I'm a parent of two children, I think a 15 year old is a child. When get to my age, you will too

I did not say she wasn't a child. What I did say is that people who have reviewed the film have said he has again manipulated the facts to suit his own conclusions.

Building on what Stephistan says, if Moore did state any lies, it would be treasonous and Slander, giving the Bush administration ample reason to sue Moore for defemation of character. So do without Moore being sued, do you think its still lies?

Building on what Stephistan says, if Moore did state any lies, it would be treasonous and Slander, giving the Bush administration ample reason to sue Moore for defemation of character. So do without Moore being sued, do you think its still lies?

He twisted facts from what I hear. Not exactly lieing but twisting them to suit his own needs.

And Steph don't ever tell me i'm to young to be seeing R rated films again. Just because I came out with a critique you didn't like doesn't mean I'm not old enough to understand. Please!!! I babysit for a living. the number of he said he said, or the other way around or a mixture of both, is enough for another moore "documentary" Please spare me the rhetoric.

Building on what Stephistan says, if Moore did state any lies, it would be treasonous and Slander, giving the Bush administration ample reason to sue Moore for defemation of character. So do without Moore being sued, do you think its still lies?

Here is where you make the dramatic leap. Moore manipulates facts to guide you to his preconceived conclusions. Manipulating facts means editing speeches and video footage to take statements out of their original context. It is not lying but dishonesty. Thats where he escapes because he does not out and out say what he wants to say, he provides the information he wants you to have so as you come to his conclusion.

These techniques have been outlined in a review of Bowling for Columbine, the link to which is in another thread on these forums. He is clever at avoiding a blatant lie, although in an interview with Charlton Heston regarding an incident in Bowling for Columbine he did lie about the circumstances of the incident he was discussing.

She didn't see the movie.. I did and he (Moore) didn't present any thing in the movie that we all didn't already know. If there were lies in the movie the right would have him in court so fast it would make our heads spin.. The fact that no one has, speaks volumes.

I'm sorry, I'm a parent of two children, I think a 15 year old is a child. When get to my age, you will too

I did not say she wasn't a child. What I did say is that people who have reviewed the film have said he has again manipulated the facts to suit his own conclusions.

It depends on who reviews the movie.. People on the left will love it and people on the right will call it lies..

So, do as I did and go see it. He actually wasn't as harsh as some would have you believe and more so, almost every thing he states in the movie are well known facts as far as I'm concerned. I didn't find any thing he stated as "stretching" the truth and either did my husband.

It depends on who reviews the movie.. People on the left will love it and people on the right will call it lies..

So, do as I did and go see it. He actually wasn't as harsh as some would have you believe and more so, almost every thing he states in the movie are well known facts as far as I'm concerned. I didn't find any thing he stated as "stretching" the truth and either did my husband.

I think you have answered your own question here. Yes it does depend on who reviews the movie. You, being on the left loved it and thought it was the not stretching the truth.
Others who have analysed it from a more critical standpoint have not shared your opinion. As far as going and seeing it. It has not been released here in Australia so I cannot see it yet.

She didn't see the movie.. I did and he (Moore) didn't present any thing in the movie that we all didn't already know. If there were lies in the movie the right would have him in court so fast it would make our heads spin.. The fact that no one has, speaks volumes.

I'm sorry, I'm a parent of two children, I think a 15 year old is a child. When get to my age, you will too

I did not say she wasn't a child. What I did say is that people who have reviewed the film have said he has again manipulated the facts to suit his own conclusions.

It depends on who reviews the movie.. People on the left will love it and people on the right will call it lies..

So, do as I did and go see it. He actually wasn't as harsh as some would have you believe and more so, almost every thing he states in the movie are well known facts as far as I'm concerned. I didn't find any thing he stated as "stretching" the truth and either did my husband.

You wouldn't cause your Canadian and Canadians believe just about everything they see. Americans aren't like that. We can see the lies most of the time I will admit that. Here, from what i've seen and heard and read, he stretched many things and taken alot of things out of context. From everything I'm hearing, it is quite obvious that he did that. Only people who are claiming that isn't the case is the people on the Left! They are the only ones that are claiming it is the entire truth.

The people in the Center said it was a good movie but you can see where he stretched it and the people on the right just don't like it because it paints Bush in a bad light.

As for seeing it, no I won't! I'm not going to waste my money on it. It isn't worth it to me in my opinions. The previews they show turns me off from seeing it. I'm saving my money for something more important, a car! :D That is my necessity but alas i still have to wait! :evil: In the meantime the money I am spending is going to necessities like clothes.

I apologize in advance for my Canadian Remark. I'm stereotyping again and I'm sorry for it.

PEOPLE! Why make such a fuss about a movie? It's just a bloody movie. As people have said, its one sided, its biased; but how many people do you know are %100 for both sides? Whatever Moore's intentions are in making this movie are based off of his opinion, his opinion alone. If you want to see it, see it, if you don't, don't. What's the point of saying its to undermine the troops and decrease American moral? If you don't agree with it don't see it, instead of trying to convince others it's wrong. If you feel strong about a subject, a stranger is not going to change your mind.

PEOPLE! Why make such a fuss about a movie? It's just a bloody movie. As people have said, its one sided, its biased; but how many people do you know are %100 for both sides? Whatever Moore's intentions are in making this movie are based off of his opinion, his opinion alone. If you want to see it, see it, if you don't, don't. What's the point of saying its to undermine the troops and decrease American moral? If you don't agree with it don't see it, instead of trying to convince others it's wrong. If you feel strong about a subject, a stranger is not going to change your mind.

Yes, pretty much what I said in my first post.

She didn't see the movie.. I did and he (Moore) didn't present any thing in the movie that we all didn't already know. If there were lies in the movie the right would have him in court so fast it would make our heads spin.. The fact that no one has, speaks volumes.

I'm sorry, I'm a parent of two children, I think a 15 year old is a child. When get to my age, you will too

I did not say she wasn't a child. What I did say is that people who have reviewed the film have said he has again manipulated the facts to suit his own conclusions.

It depends on who reviews the movie.. People on the left will love it and people on the right will call it lies..

So, do as I did and go see it. He actually wasn't as harsh as some would have you believe and more so, almost every thing he states in the movie are well known facts as far as I'm concerned. I didn't find any thing he stated as "stretching" the truth and either did my husband.

You wouldn't cause your Canadian and Canadians believe just about everything they see. Americans aren't like that. We can see the lies most of the time I will admit that. Here, from what i've seen and heard and read, he stretched many things and taken alot of things out of context. From everything I'm hearing, it is quite obvious that he did that. Only people who are claiming that isn't the case is the people on the Left! They are the only ones that are claiming it is the entire truth.

The people in the Center said it was a good movie but you can see where he stretched it and the people on the right just don't like it because it paints Bush in a bad light.

As for seeing it, no I won't! I'm not going to waste my money on it. It isn't worth it to me in my opinions. The previews they show turns me off from seeing it. I'm saving my money for something more important, a car! :D That is my necessity but alas i still have to wait! :evil: In the meantime the money I am spending is going to necessities like clothes.

I apologize in advance for my Canadian Remark. I'm stereotyping again and I'm sorry for it.

First, I am only socially left.. I'm actually a moderate conservative economically.. which in reality puts me around the center. So, not only don't stereotype a whole nation, but don't stereotype me!

Also, you can't go see the movie unless you lie about your age young lady ;)

This movie is 2 hours of truth -- however bitter a pill it may be for Americans to swallow.

You'd all do yourself a favour to explore what a nation does rather than simply swallow what it says.

How is it 2 hours of truth when Moore himself said it was a biased film? He took facts and twisted them. Not 2 hours of truth hun, but 2 hours of entertainment in my book!
How would you know if you haven't seen the film?

Because Moore is left and he doesn't like Bush and he himself said so! As such its 2 hours of entertainment! Anyone takes it for gospel needs to have their heads examined!
You made a statement. You said "He took facts and twisted them. Not 2 hours of truth", and all I am saying is how can you be qualified to make that statement without seeing the film?

Hello? I've seen the previews and its been debated. The facts are twisted and its a known fact. I don't need to see it to know that its biased and that the facts portrayed are twisted to distort them. I'm surprised you didn't know this CanuckHeaven!
Because something is biased, does not mean it is NOT factual? I am surprised that you have contempt prior to investigation!!

I have seen lots of bias on these threads, however, if someone is courteous enough to at least post a link that has some merit to their, I will at least examine the evidence before passing judgement. It appears that is not your style and unfortunately that compromises your credibility.

I am a firm believer that knowledge is a precursor to wisdom. Knowledge is powerful stuff if it is laced with truths?

Do not bring in a Canada vs American fight here. I am Canadian, and if you continue with your stereotyping, I'll be forced to cram it back down your throat with sources of American Stupidty and sheep-ism (Yes I made up that term.)

Farenheit 9/11

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

Bowling for Columbine

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Hell yes I support it! Everything that man has made is very informative, and makes you (well, me) look for all the evidence available for and against his view point. And he 99.9% of the time knows what he is talking about.

And all these statements that jsut because he's left means that he is biased is a load. If you say that, then everything ever made is a biased, and should there for be thrown out the window. He's just trying to wake Americans the hell up. And why would the Republican party be trying to block this movie from theatres if there were no truth to it?

Do not bring in a Canada vs American fight here. I am Canadian, and if you continue with your stereotyping, I'll be forced to cram it back down your throat with sources of American Stupidty and sheep-ism (Yes I made up that term.)

I apologize! Didn't mean to stereotype. I'm not in a habit to stereotype.

As for Steph, he did twist the facts. Did I say he lied? no. Twist facts? yes. big difference. I'm getting quite good at deciphering it though.

Now I too have seen some biased stuff, mostly against bush and when one comes against kerry it turns into more Anti-bush bashing. Yea major bias there. Anyway, I did do some investigation. And what I said previously goes. I never said he LIED. You did. I said he twisted the facts to suit his own ends. that is all he did and that is all I basically said.

This movie is 2 hours of truth -- however bitter a pill it may be for Americans to swallow.

You'd all do yourself a favour to explore what a nation does rather than simply swallow what it says.

How is it 2 hours of truth when Moore himself said it was a biased film? He took facts and twisted them. Not 2 hours of truth hun, but 2 hours of entertainment in my book!
How would you know if you haven't seen the film?

She's not old enough to see the movie, it's rated R, she's only 15. So, there ya have it. If you want to take your political opinions from a child, be my guest. ;)
Ahhhh thanks Steph, I forgot that she is not old enough to view it legally.

However you spell Farenheit, that movie.. I kinda support it.

I never heard of it until a few days ago. Is it just clips from Bush?

Hell yes I support it! Everything that man has made is very informative, and makes you (well, me) look for all the evidence available for and against his view point. And he 99.9% of the time knows what he is talking about.

And all these statements that jsut because he's left means that he is biased is a load. If you say that, then everything ever made is a biased, and should there for be thrown out the window. He's just trying to wake Americans the hell up. And why would the Republican party be trying to block this movie from theatres if there were no truth to it?

Moore himself makes no claims that he is unbiased. Which would infer that he himself says he is biased.
Whether he is biased or not it makes no difference. If you like the movie, good for you. If you don't like it, good for you. The point I am trying to make is that people should seek all the information and then make an informed decision.

Do not bring in a Canada vs American fight here. I am Canadian, and if you continue with your stereotyping, I'll be forced to cram it back down your throat with sources of American Stupidty and sheep-ism (Yes I made up that term.)

I apologize! Didn't mean to stereotype. I'm not in a habit to stereotype.

As for Steph, he did twist the facts. Did I say he lied? no. Twist facts? yes. big difference. I'm getting quite good at deciphering it though.

Now I too have seen some biased stuff, mostly against bush and when one comes against kerry it turns into more Anti-bush bashing. Yea major bias there. Anyway, I did do some investigation. And what I said previously goes. I never said he LIED. You did. I said he twisted the facts to suit his own ends. that is all he did and that is all I basically said.

You won't know unless you SEE the movie. End of story!

Do not bring in a Canada vs American fight here. I am Canadian, and if you continue with your stereotyping, I'll be forced to cram it back down your throat with sources of American Stupidty and sheep-ism (Yes I made up that term.)

I apologize! Didn't mean to stereotype. I'm not in a habit to stereotype.

As for Steph, he did twist the facts. Did I say he lied? no. Twist facts? yes. big difference. I'm getting quite good at deciphering it though.

Now I too have seen some biased stuff, mostly against bush and when one comes against kerry it turns into more Anti-bush bashing. Yea major bias there. Anyway, I did do some investigation. And what I said previously goes. I never said he LIED. You did. I said he twisted the facts to suit his own ends. that is all he did and that is all I basically said.

You won't know unless you SEE the movie. End of story!

And I told you that I have better things to waste my money on as well as two hours.

Do not bring in a Canada vs American fight here. I am Canadian, and if you continue with your stereotyping, I'll be forced to cram it back down your throat with sources of American Stupidty and sheep-ism (Yes I made up that term.)

I apologize! Didn't mean to stereotype. I'm not in a habit to stereotype.

As for Steph, he did twist the facts. Did I say he lied? no. Twist facts? yes. big difference. I'm getting quite good at deciphering it though.

Now I too have seen some biased stuff, mostly against bush and when one comes against kerry it turns into more Anti-bush bashing. Yea major bias there. Anyway, I did do some investigation. And what I said previously goes. I never said he LIED. You did. I said he twisted the facts to suit his own ends. that is all he did and that is all I basically said.

You won't know unless you SEE the movie. End of story!

And I told you that I have better things to waste my money on as well as two hours.

Then stop putting other people's words in your posts. If you don't know what you're talking about (because YOU haven't seen the movie) why bother posting at all?

Do not bring in a Canada vs American fight here. I am Canadian, and if you continue with your stereotyping, I'll be forced to cram it back down your throat with sources of American Stupidty and sheep-ism (Yes I made up that term.)

I apologize! Didn't mean to stereotype. I'm not in a habit to stereotype.

As for Steph, he did twist the facts. Did I say he lied? no. Twist facts? yes. big difference. I'm getting quite good at deciphering it though.

Now I too have seen some biased stuff, mostly against bush and when one comes against kerry it turns into more Anti-bush bashing. Yea major bias there. Anyway, I did do some investigation. And what I said previously goes. I never said he LIED. You did. I said he twisted the facts to suit his own ends. that is all he did and that is all I basically said.

You won't know unless you SEE the movie. End of story!

And I told you that I have better things to waste my money on as well as two hours.

Then stop putting other people's words in your posts. If you don't know what you're talking about (because YOU haven't seen the movie) why bother posting at all?

Because its a free internet and I can post what I want as long as I don't Flame/Troll/slander etc...

As for opinions, they are my opinions. My opinions are from what ive heard, seen and read. As such, I have full right to give an opinion. Are you telling me that I can't give an opinion on an issue? That violates my right as a citizen of the internet.

With that, i'm off to my comfy bed! Nightie night

This movie is 2 hours of truth -- however bitter a pill it may be for Americans to swallow.

You'd all do yourself a favour to explore what a nation does rather than simply swallow what it says.

How is it 2 hours of truth when Moore himself said it was a biased film? He took facts and twisted them. Not 2 hours of truth hun, but 2 hours of entertainment in my book!
How would you know if you haven't seen the film?

She's not old enough to see the movie, it's rated R, she's only 15. So, there ya have it. If you want to take your political opinions from a child, be my guest. ;)
Ahhhh thanks Steph, I forgot that she is not old enough to view it legally.All it requires is a parent or someone other adult taking her with them.

Do not bring in a Canada vs American fight here. I am Canadian, and if you continue with your stereotyping, I'll be forced to cram it back down your throat with sources of American Stupidty and sheep-ism (Yes I made up that term.)

I apologize! Didn't mean to stereotype. I'm not in a habit to stereotype.

As for Steph, he did twist the facts. Did I say he lied? no. Twist facts? yes. big difference. I'm getting quite good at deciphering it though.

Now I too have seen some biased stuff, mostly against bush and when one comes against kerry it turns into more Anti-bush bashing. Yea major bias there. Anyway, I did do some investigation. And what I said previously goes. I never said he LIED. You did. I said he twisted the facts to suit his own ends. that is all he did and that is all I basically said.

You won't know unless you SEE the movie. End of story!

And I told you that I have better things to waste my money on as well as two hours.

Then stop putting other people's words in your posts. If you don't know what you're talking about (because YOU haven't seen the movie) why bother posting at all?

Because its a free internet and I can post what I want as long as I don't Flame/Troll/slander etc...

As for opinions, they are my opinions. My opinions are from what ive heard, seen and read. As such, I have full right to give an opinion. Are you telling me that I can't give an opinion on an issue? That violates my right as a citizen of the internet.

No, you are most certainly entitled to your opinion, I just wish that is how you would phrase it. Instead of claiming you know he did this or that, when you don't.

Tygaland wrote
Moore himself makes no claims that he is unbiased. Which would infer that he himself says he is biased.
Whether he is biased or not it makes no difference. If you like the movie, good for you. If you don't like it, good for you. The point I am trying to make is that people should seek all the information and then make an informed decision.

You should just make sure that the information you are givin is entirley correct, instead of getting half lies where finding the correct information is nearly impossible. I have seen moore and heard him talk about what he believes. If he was in power there would be little freedom of speech and little freedom of anything. Liberal isn't talking about rights its liberal application of restrictions. He would make it so that only people like him could voice opinions. It would be something like the farenheit 451.

All you need to have seen is Bowling for Columbine to know what BS this new film is, especially since reviewers that praised Bowling as a "documentary," if you can call it that, said 9/11 was stretching the truth.
Moore's crafty enough to put in a little truth with his lies and twists, but his best skill is his audio and video editing. If I were to say "I hate terrorists, and love to see them brung to justice," and you splice it to say "I love terrorists," that definitly changes the meaning. There's no way you can defend that as truthful reporting, yet Moore does stuff like that all the time, especially in Bowling (not referring to terrorists thats just an example). Also, I think he's a callous idiot when he blamed 9/11 on the passengers in the airplanes, mocking them as cowards during an interview (I remember watching it). Anyone who does that is not fit to live in America.
I may not like Bush all that much, but Moore is as low as they come. If you believe he is telling mostly truth, or his general idea is good, check out the Bowling For Truth website, which shows the many flaws in all of his movies, and which is not published by a crony of the White House. I prepare to get flamed. And no, I have not seen the movie, because I don't want to give him money, and he said enough on his many interviews this week about the film.

Tygaland wrote
Moore himself makes no claims that he is unbiased. Which would infer that he himself says he is biased.
Whether he is biased or not it makes no difference. If you like the movie, good for you. If you don't like it, good for you. The point I am trying to make is that people should seek all the information and then make an informed decision.

You should just make sure that the information you are givin is entirley correct, instead of getting half lies where finding the correct information is nearly impossible. I have seen moore and heard him talk about what he believes. If he was in power there would be little freedom of speech and little freedom of anything. Liberal isn't talking about rights its liberal application of restrictions. He would make it so that only people like him could voice opinions. It would be something like the farenheit 451.

When I first read this I thought he was telling me to check my facts...now rereading it I think he is agreeing with what I just said.
I will say that Michael Moore will never "be in power" because he is happy to sit behind a camera and make movies that make him a lot of money. Noone can blame him there!

I actually heard on the news that alot of the movie coincides with what the 9/11 Commission found out.

Oh well, I'll just have to do what alot of people here won't do: see the movie and judge for myself.

All you need to have seen is Bowling for Columbine to know what BS this new film is, especially since reviewers that praised Bowling as a "documentary," if you can call it that, said 9/11 was stretching the truth.
Moore's crafty enough to put in a little truth with his lies and twists, but his best skill is his audio and video editing. If I were to say "I hate terrorists, and love to see them brung to justice," and you splice it to say "I love terrorists," that definitly changes the meaning. There's no way you can defend that as truthful reporting, yet Moore does stuff like that all the time, especially in Bowling (not referring to terrorists thats just an example). Also, I think he's a callous idiot when he blamed 9/11 on the passengers in the airplanes, mocking them as cowards during an interview (I remember watching it). Anyone who does that is not fit to live in America.
I may not like Bush all that much, but Moore is as low as they come. If you believe he is telling mostly truth, or his general idea is good, check out the Bowling For Truth website, which shows the many flaws in all of his movies, and which is not published by a crony of the White House. I prepare to get flamed. And no, I have not seen the movie, because I don't want to give him money, and he said enough on his many interviews this week about the film.

I agree. His style is one of dishonesty and deception stopping just short of lying. He is clever in that the audience is guided to his conclusion by omitting information and distorting facts. That way they think they have reached the conclusion themselves and hence a conspiracy is created. What I would like is for people to see the movie, then go out and check things out for themselves. That way they can reach and educated conclusion.

I actually heard on the news that alot of the movie coincides with what the 9/11 Commission found out.

Oh well, I'll just have to do what alot of people here won't do: see the movie and judge for myself.

Good for you. Don't let others tell you what you can easily go find out for yourself.

Much of what Moore says is in fact what came out in the 9/11 commission.

People seem to forget, it's not like there are not right-wing extremists trying to shut his movie down because they don't want you to know the truth. If it was all lies and nothing to it, they wouldn't be shouting so loud! :idea:

I actually heard on the news that alot of the movie coincides with what the 9/11 Commission found out.

Oh well, I'll just have to do what alot of people here won't do: see the movie and judge for myself.

Thats all I asked of people. See the movie, do some research and make up your own mind.

To that 15 year old, you know, Moore said on his website that if R or anything like that, just sneak in. I was going to quote him, but I can't find the aticle. :(

To that 15 year old, you know, Moore said on his website that if R or anything like that, just sneak in. I was going to quote him, but I can't find the aticle. :(

Sorry but I'm a rule follower. I follow the rules and my own parents won't see this movie because it isn't worth it!

You believe in rules, and all your rules would be shattered if what Moore is saying is correct, therefor you refuse to believe it!

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