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Just a poll. I picked democracy.

If you approve of, say, both Socialism and Democracy, decide which is more important to you.

(Note, I posted this before, but the poll got screwed up...)

I object to this biased poll since it doesn't let people who are moderate on the issues express a clear uh vote.

just for the poll, i picked the Fascism for i believe its the closest to perfection in the political ideas that man ever made...It is ruled by the Leader, which is a man! and the leader supported by a wife and the nation...His policies are the absolute truth for he is the strongest and fittest in the survival aspect...Fascism privitized many services for better consumer options and better service due to competition...The government works with the companies for a project or research for better and efficient effort and outcome... The workers are given many priveldges such as paid vacation leave, sick leave, insurances, bonus 13th month, health care, longer breaks, recreational activities within the break; the fascist government believe that "a happy worker is a healthy worker" which makes sense. This increase productivity, efficiency, ergonomics, quality, and loyalty :idea: ...Also emphasis in military is a better way to start. Many techonologies right now are invented and made due to the research of the militarry. Internet is made by the Army, so as Humvees, rockets, vacinnes, and many more.. Military also increase the nations ability to be strong to themselves, trust their government, and feel proud of their nation... The banned "smoking causes cancer" was first mentioned by the Nazi Germans...Family matters is what the government acts on towards its people..Hitler made his first car called the "Volks-Waggen" meaning People's Car...well if further details or inquiry dont hesitate to note me! Just a concerned and sharing man!

+ s.s. Hienrich

I object to this biased poll since it doesn't let people who are moderate on the issues express a clear uh vote.

Well in the three form of society which are Family, Religion and Government does it need democracy?? Well in family who leads it, isnt it the father of the house, or the mother which is a form of dictatorship,...In Religion who is the leader, isn't it its God who dictates our lives and not us...Finally, in Government isnt it should be a dictator to rule the country with support(not voting but effortwise of acknowledging) of his nation, and household? Voting causes more trouble in society and is a good way to perform riggings, deceit and lies..

FasCism. Hurrah for spelling.

I voted for anarchism. But, there's an intrinsic problem with the poll; namely, anarchism is just the logical extent of a democratic socalism. But at this point (read: number of drinks), I no longer care. Eh. Whatever.

Wow. One of the worst polls I've ever seen...you effectively put government and economic systems as adversaries...man....EEEE FECT IVE fo shizzle....

I cant believe that some fools have voted for capatilism... its so not good for society. For a start it leaves hardly any political freedoms it doesnt give equality and only helps out the fat cat buissness scum, and why should they deserve anything?! Socialism all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cant believe that some fools have voted for capatilism... its so not good for society. For a start it leaves hardly any political freedoms it doesnt give equality and only helps out the fat cat buissness scum, and why should they deserve anything?! Socialism all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Calm yourself, capitalism is democracy, a market economy in it's true sense would fit democracy and most people who argue against it probably don't under stand it. It helps people who work hard get ahead,

I cant believe that some fools have voted for capatilism... its so not good for society. For a start it leaves hardly any political freedoms it doesnt give equality and only helps out the fat cat buissness scum, and why should they deserve anything?! Socialism all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Calm yourself, capitalism is democracy, a market economy in it's true sense would fit democracy and most people who argue against it probably don't under stand it. It helps people who work hard get ahead,

It is entirely possible to have an authoritarian capitalist nation- eg. WW2 era Japan, post war South Korea.

Though, I would raise a new point, that Democracy does not equal fairness, either. (Though i'd also argue that fairness without democracy is impossible)

I cant believe that some fools have voted for capatilism... its so not good for society. For a start it leaves hardly any political freedoms it doesnt give equality and only helps out the fat cat buissness scum, and why should they deserve anything?! Socialism all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Calm yourself, capitalism is democracy, a market economy in it's true sense would fit democracy and most people who argue against it probably don't under stand it. It helps people who work hard get ahead,

It is entirely possible to have an authoritarian capitalist nation- eg. WW2 era Japan, post war South Korea.

Though, I would raise a new point, that Democracy does not equal fairness, either. (Though i'd also argue that fairness without democracy is impossible)

I agree, yes, but democracy does not also mean you cannot have capitalism, I actually believe they go rather well together.

I cant believe that some fools have voted for capatilism... its so not good for society. For a start it leaves hardly any political freedoms it doesnt give equality and only helps out the fat cat buissness scum, and why should they deserve anything?! Socialism all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Calm yourself, capitalism is democracy, a market economy in it's true sense would fit democracy and most people who argue against it probably don't under stand it. It helps people who work hard get ahead,

It is entirely possible to have an authoritarian capitalist nation- eg. WW2 era Japan, post war South Korea.

Though, I would raise a new point, that Democracy does not equal fairness, either. (Though i'd also argue that fairness without democracy is impossible)

I agree, yes, but democracy does not also mean you cannot have capitalism, I actually believe they go rather well together.

As much as I dislike capitalism, I can agree that democratic capitalism is better than totalitarian anything, but I was really referring to your comment "capitalism is democracy" which I don't happen to agree with :)

Hey, you're missing 'Republic' as a choice

Capitilism and democracy are really the same thing. Adam West the founderer of Capitilism was a libertaarian. In this theory All coroporations and people shall live under a democracy and be allowed to do what they want as long as they are not hurting anyone. He was very liberla. And if you want me to give yo links proving he was a libertarian and will show you. also it is diffrent from fascism because fascism allows private enterprise but does not allow free thought.

Capitilism and democracy are really the same thing. Adam West the founderer of Capitilism was a libertaarian. In this theory All coroporations and people shall live under a democracy and be allowed to do what they want as long as they are not hurting anyone. He was very liberla. And if you want me to give yo links proving he was a libertarian and will show you. also it is diffrent from fascism because fascism allows private enterprise but does not allow free thought.

They aren't one and the same. You can have democracy under other systems such as socialism. What you refer to, is the concept of "Liberal Democracy".

Hey, you're missing 'Republic' as a choice

A republic will follow one of those systems. (except for anarchy)

I believe that the online sovereign over a nation, is the nation itself. No dictator or aristocracy, no matter how talented have the right to run people's life, if they do not represent them. That is the reason I chose democracy - because a democracy allows itself to change and evolve with less blood shed. On that idea said once a great man named Karl Popper:
...our greatest talent to convince ourselves we're never wrong, to ignore mistakes, to hide them or to blame others for the responsibility for mistakes, should be replaced with a greater talent - the talent to take the responsibility for errors... and to make use in our knowledge to avoid them in the future.

Anarchism. The other options are oppressive or don't go all the way. Anarchism actually is a form of socialism.

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I clicked on democracy becuase people need to lead their contry not One man not some royal family or war loards with the largest private armies. Though capitalism would have been My second choice becuase people need to work and compete to get better and to creat better things. Capitalism motivates people to make the best of themsleves in hope that the next day will be better. Both I believe are a great combination I mean looks at America (where I am from) Stongest country the world has ever seen Not becuase its run by a Royal family Not becuase its run buy some dictator But by the people who want to see better things to come and with capitalism that is an option. :D

Anarchism. The other options are oppressive or don't go all the way. Anarchism actually is a form of socialism.

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"If the left is understood to include 'Bolshevism,' then I would flatly dissociate myself from the left. Lenin was one of the greatest enemies of socialism."-Chomsky
Free your mind! (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html)
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Anarchism is Lack of government isn't it or is REALLY weak government. Both of wich could not possibly work for long becuase some one is going to get ambitouse or some other country is going to try and take it over by using force BOTH of wich turn into opressive regimes. Take look at alot of Africa Government is some countries are weak and cannot stand up to local war lords wich kill and rob Civilains or pre-9/11 afganistan the government was to weak and toppled by the Taliban wich killed women who could read or any one who had a diffrent opinion. The only government that can last long is a strong form of democratic government. Like Britain's parliment or My country's (America) congress. Both have lasted for centuries and are still extreamly powerful.

Anarchism is Lack of government isn't it or is REALLY weak government. Both of wich could not possibly work for long becuase some one is going to get ambitouse or some other country is going to try and take it over by using force BOTH of wich turn into opressive regimes. Take look at alot of Africa Government is some countries are weak and cannot stand up to local war lords wich kill and rob Civilains or pre-9/11 afganistan the government was to weak and toppled by the Taliban wich killed women who could read or any one who had a diffrent opinion. The only government that can last long is a strong form of democratic government. Like Britain's parliment or My country's (America) congress. Both have lasted for centuries and are still extreamly powerful.

Actually, anarchism is basically organization without coersive authority. An anarchist organization would be based on direct democracy or concensus, for example, rather than fiat/might makes right.

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"If the left is understood to include 'Bolshevism,' then I would flatly dissociate
myself from the left. Lenin was one of the greatest enemies of socialism."-Chomsky
Free your mind! (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/bright/berkman/comanarchism/whatis_toc.html)
I like big butts!
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Actual anarchism would only work if applied to the entire world and then it would still only work if everyone was all happy and had mindsets like Letila. Unfortunately, I, and many others, don't, so I argue that anarchy (and for that matter communism) will never work to the perfection they want it too.

I cant believe that some fools have voted for capatilism... its so not good for society. For a start it leaves hardly any political freedoms

On the contrary: it is the most politically free.

it doesnt give equality

On the contrary: all are politically equal.

and only helps out the fat cat buissness scum,

On the contrary: it helps everyone.

and why should they deserve anything?!

Because they earned it.

Anarchism. The other options are oppressive or don't go all the way. Anarchism actually is a form of socialism.

Except that it's not; it's a form of capitalism.

Thee are several forms of anarchism, BAAWA. Anarcho-communism is one, anarcho-capitalism is another I guess. The latter is more of libertarianism, if I understand it right.

Thee are several forms of anarchism, BAAWA. Anarcho-communism is one, anarcho-capitalism is another I guess. The latter is more of libertarianism, if I understand it right.

It's lumped with libertarianism for ease of people to understand.

However, anarchocommunism is self-contradictory.

Anarchism. The other options are oppressive or don't go all the way. Anarchism actually is a form of socialism.


It is absolutely not! Socialism is the idea that through a planned system, enforced and and managed by the government, we can create a 'synthetic economy' with the thereoretical benefits of popular wealth, equality, and effeciency. A realated and almost always confused system is Communism, the system you advocate, in which by a series of major social changes, including the destruction of the state, people can learn to work together, share their wealth, and create a utopia.

Historical Communism would be better named 'authoritarian socialism', and few people today advocate this system. Karl Marx would have been horrified.

Anyway, What is this "anarchism"? Is it just an alternative spelling of anarchy?

Someone said that this was a terrible poll becuase it pitted two completely unrealated catagories against eachother. Well, yes, that was kinda the idea. If someone strongly advocated a Communism, (s)he would have to choose weither a corrupt, capitalistic anarachy was acceptable or whiether (s)he'd that his/her chances with a democratic or dictoral socialism.

Anarchism used to be known as Libertarian Socialism... and it's also not right in my opinion to put Communism and Socialism together in a poll... honestly, they are different things! Anarchism is the actual belief in the lack of governmental control, Anarchy is not the belief. check www.dictionary.com