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Is there a breakdown of morality in the Republican party?

With Cheney dropping the F-bomb and Jack Ryan dropping out of the Illinois Senate race because he made Seven of Nine do a "69" in front of people at sex clubs, it's becoming harder and harder to buy into the whole moral superiority platform that is being pushed. What's the next skeleton to be exposed?

That's why i'm an Independent, haha. I'm not partisan at all.

Is there a breakdown of morality in the Republican party?

With Cheney dropping F-bombs and Jack Ryan dropping out of the Illinois Senate race because he made Seven of Nine do a "69" in front of people at sex clubs, it's becoming harder and harder to buy into the whole moral superiority platform that is being pushed. What's the next skeleton to be exposed?

You do know that both ryan and his ex-wife didn't want those records released? You also do realize that the media sued to get them released right? You do realize that a judge granted the media that right right?

As for Cheney, it was one time and not multiple times so the singular use would be better than your plural use!

one would think that the republican party's conservative christian base would get tired of being manipulated with the empty morality of politicians. as far as i can see all politicians are pretty much the same in terms of morality. remember when the speaker of the house had to resign because he had done the same thing that they were trying to impeach clinton for?

what the F has the republican party done for its core voters?? they have the white house AND congress and the only thing i can think that they passed was the partial birth abortion ban that will stop no baby from dying since the procedure is only done from dire necessity so doc's will just use a different abortion technique.

just how long will it take before they lose these voters to apathy?

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You do know that both ryan and his ex-wife didn't want those records released? You also do realize that the media sued to get them released right? You do realize that a judge granted the media that right right?

Because it is only immoral if people know about it, right? And if you're going to use the whol "didn't want those records released" excuse for a Republican, why doesn't Clinton get the same slack cut for him? Hmm, seems like typical GOP mindwashing. Like calling Kerry a flip-flopper as if Bush hasn't flip-flopped. (My personal opinion is that it is good for a politician to flip-flop issues in order to garner support as this is a representative democracy, not a dictatorship.)

You do know that both ryan and his ex-wife didn't want those records released? You also do realize that the media sued to get them released right? You do realize that a judge granted the media that right right?

Er, and? He did the deed and now it's come back to haunt him.
Factually, the Republican's opened up this line of attack with the Ken Starr witchhunt in Clinton's administration. If you're going to claim your party is morally superior, you darn well better not expect anyone to give you any room for error. Period.


As for Cheney, it was one time and not multiple times so the singular use would be better than your plural use!

Still said it and this is the only time we know about. I strongly suspect this wasn't the first time that swear has passed from his lips. But, out of respect for your point, I'll edit my post and turn it singular.

Jack Ryan

haha, for some reason I thought of the character from those Tom Clancy films before I thought of the actual person.

Is there a breakdown of morality in the Republican party?

With Cheney dropping F-bombs and Jack Ryan dropping out of the Illinois Senate race because he made Seven of Nine do a "69" in front of people at sex clubs, it's becoming harder and harder to buy into the whole moral superiority platform that is being pushed. What's the next skeleton to be exposed?

You do know that both ryan and his ex-wife didn't want those records released? You also do realize that the media sued to get them released right? You do realize that a judge granted the media that right right?

As for Cheney, it was one time and not multiple times so the singular use would be better than your plural use!

A public figure running for a public office has little rights to privacy.

Also many will ignore her request as it well documented that women in an abusive relationship will go along.

I doubt she is an exhibtionist. If she was, she probably have gotten naked on film.....

Excuse me! If I'm not mistaken, we do have a right to privacy here in this country. The media is denying the right to privacy.

As for Clinton, I know nothing of this since I never followed it and I was only well, I forget when it took place. Don't use Clinton against me because I know nothing surrounding it to be honest! As such, I have no opinion on this issue.

There is such a thing as using judgement. Both Jack and his ex-wife didn't want those things released but the media sued to get them and won. If anything, the ex-couple should sue the media for violation of their right to privacy!

Besides, what she said was an allegation. Nothing is proven that it was actually done! It is an allegation made by an ex-wife. Until proven otherwise it remains an allegation!

i'm being the nerxt republican morality scandel will be when rumsfeld and wolfowitz come out of the closet and profess their long term committed relationship

i'm betting the nerxt republican morality scandel will be when rumsfeld and wolfowitz come out of the closet and profess their long term committed relationship

Something to do with violating party donation rules

As far as the topic goes, I just think Star Trek is a cool show. I can see that he's also a Voyager fan. :lol:

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Excuse me! If I'm not mistaken, we do have a right to privacy here in this country. The media is denying the right to privacy.


You have a right to privacy? You should look into the Patriot Act. The recent supreme court ruling that you have to identify yourself to the police or face arrest says otherwise.

Your medical information is not private. You finance information is not private.

Jack Ryan is a public figure and the voting public have the right to know that their candidate is doing something "naughty." Especially when he presents himself as an image of a certain character.


As for Clinton, I know nothing of this since I never followed it and I was only well, I forget when it took place. Don't use Clinton against me because I know nothing surrounding it to be honest! As such, I have no opinion on this issue.

Same situation. He was getting it on with a woman and the Repubs wanted to know the intimate details.


There is such a thing as using judgement. Both Jack and his ex-wife didn't want those things released but the media sued to get them and won. If anything, the ex-couple should sue the media for violation of their right to privacy!

Again a public figure. How many people would vote for a person that liked to look at naked pictures of children? Or what about attending orgies? You get the idea?

We are not as privacy oriented as you think. Look into Germany. Their privacy laws are more stringent then ours.....


Besides, what she said was an allegation. Nothing is proven that it was actually done! It is an allegation made by an ex-wife. Until proven otherwise it remains an allegation!

Then why didn't she publicly recant it? Why did they want the records sealed?

Such acts are not a case of "Oppssss I was mistaken." She either lied or it happened.

Is there a breakdown of morality in the Republican party?

With Cheney dropping F-bombs and Jack Ryan dropping out of the Illinois Senate race because he made Seven of Nine do a "69" in front of people at sex clubs, it's becoming harder and harder to buy into the whole moral superiority platform that is being pushed. What's the next skeleton to be exposed?

You do know that both ryan and his ex-wife didn't want those records released? You also do realize that the media sued to get them released right? You do realize that a judge granted the media that right right?Oh, so because it wasn't a supposed to be publicly known it is somehow less immoral?

As for Cheney, it was one time and not multiple times so the singular use would be better than your plural use!I'm sure Dick has used the F word more times than you can count, he just only got caught using it in the senate chambers once.

Excuse me! If I'm not mistaken, we do have a right to privacy here in this country. The media is denying the right to privacy.


You have a right to privacy? You should look into the Patriot Act. The recent supreme court ruling that you have to identify yourself to the police or face arrest says otherwise.

Your medical information is not private. You finance information is not private.

Jack Ryan is a public figure and the voting public have the right to know that their candidate is doing something "naughty." Especially when he presents himself as an image of a certain character.


As for Clinton, I know nothing of this since I never followed it and I was only well, I forget when it took place. Don't use Clinton against me because I know nothing surrounding it to be honest! As such, I have no opinion on this issue.

Same situation. He was getting it on with a woman and the Repubs wanted to know the intimate details.


There is such a thing as using judgement. Both Jack and his ex-wife didn't want those things released but the media sued to get them and won. If anything, the ex-couple should sue the media for violation of their right to privacy!

Again a public figure. How many people would vote for a person that liked to look at naked pictures of children? Or what about attending orgies? You get the idea?

We are not as privacy oriented as you think. Look into Germany. Their privacy laws are more stringent then ours.....


Besides, what she said was an allegation. Nothing is proven that it was actually done! It is an allegation made by an ex-wife. Until proven otherwise it remains an allegation!

Then why didn't she publicly recant it? Why did they want the records sealed?

Such acts are not a case of "Oppssss I was mistaken." She either lied or it happened.

Problem with using The Patriot Act against me. You still need a warrent to get the said information! As such, if your not under investigation for terrorism, you still have your right to privacy.

As for the Supreme Court, its a known fact that if you are asked for your ID by a cop, you present it otherwise, the cops will think you have something to hide and will arrest you. Sorry, but the Supreme Court was right in that case. You cooperate with the cops or you will be arrested. Simple as that.

As for Jack Ryan being a public figure. Yes he is a public figure but WHEN BOTH PARTIES said they didn't want records released, the judge should've honored their request instead of giving the News Media their vaunted right to information. One day, the Media will go to far and they'll get punished for it.

As for your last comment, that is for God to decide not us. Only God rally knows what really happened outside of these two. We are still a Private Society. The Privacy Act clearly states this!

The media should respect peoples right to privacy then we won't have all of these so called scandels that get blown out of proportion by them.

Is there a breakdown of morality in the Republican party? A breakdown? You suggest that they actually had any to begin with.


And I'm pretty pissed off that Jeri Ryan is a Republican. It means that she's also probably immoral, but not in the good way.

As far as the topic goes, I just think Star Trek is a cool show. What!?!?! We agree on something? This is not possible! I don't watch the show often, though I used to, but I still like the show.

I don't know, but the question in the first post should be "What is going to be the next political breakdown of morality?" No one is immune to it, and to suggest that one party is immune to sin is a little wrong.

One could argue that the parties are breaking morality with the terrible mudslinging going on, as present on this forum and in the world. With childish disses such as "Bush looks like a chimp! He is incapable of running for president because of that! LOLZ!1!!!!!111!11!!!!!!" or "Kerry looks like Lurch and can't run because of that! LOLZ!!!111!!!!!1!!" it makes you wonder.

Problem with using The Patriot Act against me. You still need a warrent to get the said information! As such, if your not under investigation for terrorism, you still have your right to privacy.


No that is wrong.

In 1978 the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act allowed for a tiny amount of instances where the police would not require a warrent with probably cause.

The patriot act increased the number of cases dramatically.

Somebody on this board mentioned that the Patriot Act is getting used heavily for drug cases.


As for the Supreme Court, its a known fact that if you are asked for your ID by a cop, you present it otherwise, the cops will think you have something to hide and will arrest you. Sorry, but the Supreme Court was right in that case. You cooperate with the cops or you will be arrested. Simple as that.

Again you are wrong. The police have to tell you why you are being questioned. I was in an incident where they would not do that. I refused to identify myself. With this ruling they probably would have arrested me.

As for Jack Ryan being a public figure. Yes he is a public figure but WHEN BOTH PARTIES said they didn't want records released, the judge should've honored their request instead of giving the News Media their vaunted right to information. One day, the Media will go to far and they'll get punished for it.

Sorry but you are wrong again. The system also takes info account that the women can be coerced into silence by the man(ex battered women).

They sued and a Judge said it was ok. END OF STORY!

It goes both ways. The ruling of Cheney being able to keep his records closed.

As for your last comment, that is for God to decide not us. Only God rally knows what really happened outside of these two. We are still a Private Society. The Privacy Act clearly states this!


You tried to write it off as an allegation so if it simply such then she should have recanted it. It would have also helped his campaign if she did. The fact she didn't.....

BTW: He withdrew from the campaign....

As to the privacy act? Again Finance information, medical information, tax information(India doing tax returns).


The media should respect peoples right to privacy then we won't have all of these so called scandels that get blown out of proportion by them.

You obviously forgot the phrase "Watchdogs of Democracy" (Well the media has forgotten as well). The media is not doing enough about investigation our public figures.

By your arguement Ken Lay should be left alone because he and his wife wanted it so.....

Next morality whoopsie? How about cursing to Kerry?