NationStates Jolt Archive


Just a Thought

Superpower07
25-06-2004, 00:30
Kerry and Bush are tied in a dead heat in polls. I was just thinking - would the choice of Kerry's Veep right now drastically change these numbers for or against his favor?
Formal Dances
25-06-2004, 00:31
Kerry and Bush are tied in a dead heat in polls. I was just thinking - would the choice of Kerry's Veep right now drastically change these numbers for or against his favor?

somewhat!
Colodia
25-06-2004, 00:31
CROSS YOUR FINGERS FOR EITHER CLINTON OR EDWARDS!
Berkylvania
25-06-2004, 00:46
Course it'll have an impact. So will the next five months before the elections (I guess that's really four months, since we're almost done with June).

And it can't be Clinton, can it? He can't serve as President again or am I mistaken on this?
Berkylvania
25-06-2004, 00:46
Course it'll have an impact. So will the next five months before the elections (I guess that's really four months, since we're almost done with June).

And it can't be Clinton, can it? He can't serve as President again or am I mistaken on this?
Aiera
25-06-2004, 00:56
Colodia
25-06-2004, 05:16
Course it'll have an impact. So will the next five months before the elections (I guess that's really four months, since we're almost done with June).

And it can't be Clinton, can it? He can't serve as President again or am I mistaken on this?
Clinton can serve as Vice-Prez...can't he?
BackwoodsSquatches
25-06-2004, 05:20
Course it'll have an impact. So will the next five months before the elections (I guess that's really four months, since we're almost done with June).

And it can't be Clinton, can it? He can't serve as President again or am I mistaken on this?
Clinton can serve as Vice-Prez...can't he?

I dont believe so no.

The idea of having a Vice President, is that in case something where to happen to Kerry, Clinton would take his job.
Clinton cant do this becuase hes already served the maximum number of terms in office allowed by our Constitution.
Dian
25-06-2004, 05:20
I think he means Hillary Clinton but that won't happen. It will have a minor but crucial impact. But I'm expecting Bush to win.
Colodia
25-06-2004, 05:29
Course it'll have an impact. So will the next five months before the elections (I guess that's really four months, since we're almost done with June).

And it can't be Clinton, can it? He can't serve as President again or am I mistaken on this?
Clinton can serve as Vice-Prez...can't he?

I dont believe so no.

The idea of having a Vice President, is that in case something where to happen to Kerry, Clinton would take his job.
Clinton cant do this becuase hes already served the maximum number of terms in office allowed by our Constitution.

Dian: I do mean William J. Clinton

My reply: Yes, but I've seen somewhere on that CNN voting to see who is the most likely Vice-President, W. Clinton was one of the voting choices.
Opal Isle
25-06-2004, 05:34
The idea of having a Vice President, is that in case something where to happen to Kerry, Clinton would take his job.
Clinton cant do this becuase hes already served the maximum number of terms in office allowed by our Constitution.

Whoa...Backwood, calm down. Don't flex your intellectual muscles too much. The president might be abashed that you've mastered basic American civics before him. (Psst, he stills think a VP is there to do all the work while he vacations and such...)

I dont believe so no.
Oh, by the way, I don't think the Consitution says anything about this. I think that this is a loophole that should be ammended. (But until it is ammended, I think W.J. Clinton should be Kerry's VP then Kerry should resign immediately after being sworn in...)
Mutant Dogs
25-06-2004, 05:36
Kerry and Bush are tied in a dead heat in polls. I was just thinking - would the choice of Kerry's Veep right now drastically change these numbers for or against his favor?

VEEP? :shock:
BackwoodsSquatches
25-06-2004, 05:43
The idea of having a Vice President, is that in case something where to happen to Kerry, Clinton would take his job.
Clinton cant do this becuase hes already served the maximum number of terms in office allowed by our Constitution.

Whoa...Backwood, calm down. Don't flex your intellectual muscles too much. The president might be abashed that you've mastered basic American civics before him. (Psst, he stills think a VP is there to do all the work while he vacations and such...)

I dont believe so no.
Oh, by the way, I don't think the Consitution says anything about this. I think that this is a loophole that should be ammended. (But until it is ammended, I think W.J. Clinton should be Kerry's VP then Kerry should resign immediately after being sworn in...)

I also believe that there was an ammendment to the Constitution after F.D.R served his fourth term, that may have covered this angle.
Im not sure, exactly wich one, it was but I believe the stipulation was addressed.
Mutant Dogs
25-06-2004, 05:47
WHATS VEEP?
Unterwasserseestaat
25-06-2004, 06:02
WHATS VEEP?

'veep' = V. P. = Vice-President

Also, the qualifications for VEEP are the same as for President, 35 years old, born in the US, and not having previously served as president. Billiam Clinton is pretty much out, though it reflects on the BS sentimentality of CNN to put him in the poll.

(and if anyone wants to see hardcore intellect-flexing):
In the 2000 campaign, Cheney had to change his resideny status from Texas to Wyoming. Because, the Constitution says that people in the Electoral College can't vote for both a President and a VEEP from their state. So if Cheney hadn't moved, then electors in Texas couldn't have voted Bush-Cheney. How odd is that?
Pantylvania
25-06-2004, 09:24
it seems that those who watch Fox News think that it's down to Hillary Clinton and John Edwards. Never mind that Clinton has a grand total of 3 1/2 years of political experience and didn't make John Kerry's long list

edit: I forgot to answer the question from the beginning of this thread. Unless Kerry does something stupid like choose Gray Davis or wait another month before deciding, the VP announcement should help him
Lenbonia
25-06-2004, 09:29
Both Clinton's are out. All of this strange obsession with Hillary is somewhat bizarre, because basically the only reason for it is that she was married to Bill. First Lady is not a qualification for public office, it's akin to nepotism. Get over her already! A first term senator shouldn't become a VP OR a President, especially since her first term isn't even up yet! Yes I know she is intelligent on her own, without help from Bill, but that doesn't really matter. We're talking about the second highest (theoretically, at least) and highest offices in the US here!
The Most Glorious Hack
25-06-2004, 09:33
Also, the qualifications for VEEP are the same as for President, 35 years old, born in the US, and not having previously served as president. Billiam Clinton is pretty much out, though it reflects on the BS sentimentality of CNN to put him in the poll.


I'm pretty sure Clinton could be the VP. It's just that if something happened to Kerry, he couldn't become President. Similar to the situation when Clinton's Sec. of State was a non-US born citizen. If enough people died that she was next in line, she'd be passed over, however it didn't effect her role as Sec of State.
Pantylvania
25-06-2004, 09:39
I'm pretty sure Clinton could be the VP. It's just that if something happened to Kerry, he couldn't become President. Similar to the situation when Clinton's Sec. of State was a non-US born citizen. If enough people died that she was next in line, she'd be passed over, however it didn't effect her role as Sec of State.the VP's status as the next in line is mandated by the Constitution. The order of replacements after that is decided by Congress so they can just skip one of the Cabinet secretaries if they want to
Lenbonia
25-06-2004, 09:40
Also, the qualifications for VEEP are the same as for President, 35 years old, born in the US, and not having previously served as president. Billiam Clinton is pretty much out, though it reflects on the BS sentimentality of CNN to put him in the poll.


I'm pretty sure Clinton could be the VP. It's just that if something happened to Kerry, he couldn't become President. Similar to the situation when Clinton's Sec. of State was a non-US born citizen. If enough people died that she was next in line, she'd be passed over, however it didn't effect her role as Sec of State.

Bill Clinton wouldn't run for VP, especially since one of the surest ways to loes the support of the American public is to bend the rules. The Constitution might not explicitly prevent him from doing so (that's an if, right now I can't remember what I figured out the answer was to that the first time I say it mentioned--and I don't feel like researching right now), but it surely must have intended to prevent such a thing. It would be immoral for him to break the spirit of the document in order to pursue his own political career.