NationStates Jolt Archive

Okay, people kept wanting to argue that Bush was better than Clinton and that's why we should re-elect Bush...and they were doing this in my "I'd vote for Bush if..." thread, so I made them a thread over here for them to argue about it and keep that out of my other thread...

Is it really a contest? :D

No, its a slaughter. :points to the poll:

Clinton was one of the greatest presidents that ever lived.

I love Billy.... man oh man...

he is awesome.

What a great guy.

If any person was to blame for 9/11 it was Clinton. He was a complete wuss when it came to terrorism against the US. e.i. The Cole, The embassy bombings, and the way he handled the military conflict in Africa. At least Bush flexed some muscles. What is the point of having military if we let terrorists attack our troops.

Not to mention Clinton lied on the stand. This makes his personal life on the same level as a common criminal. He severely dishonoured our nation by his outrageous behavior.

Clinton did pass good legislation. But any person who is disgusting enough to lie on the stand deosn't deserve the honour of even being considered as better than Bush.

J. Pigg

Hey, Clinton was a good president, yeah, he had some personal life issues, but thats just what it was, his PERSONAL life. Its between him, Hillary, and Monica, there was no reason for the US public to get involved. Besides, Clinton did take action, but it wasn't Bush's little 'crusade.' Clinton got Teddy's Doctrine down pat, Bush just has the part about the big stick. Besides, Clinton's the closest thing we'll ever see to a black president.

Voted Bush.

Clinton, goddammit....he didn't disgrace the President's office, he p**ped it up!

Voted Bush.

Course you did, Sunshine. :D

Hee, Clinton's totally owning Bush.

DP...how many more days until Jolt?

If any person was to blame for 9/11 it was Clinton. He was a complete wuss when it came to terrorism against the US. e.i. The Cole, The embassy bombings, and the way he handled the military conflict in Africa. At least Bush flexed some muscles. What is the point of having military if we let terrorists attack our troops.

Not to mention Clinton lied on the stand. This makes his personal life on the same level as a common criminal. He severely dishonoured our nation by his outrageous behavior.

Clinton did pass good legislation. But any person who is disgusting enough to lie on the stand deosn't deserve the honour of even being considered as better than Bush.

J. Pigg

So... lying is bad only when it's under oath?

Is lying under oath to congress about a personal matter that is none of congress' business so disgusting, but lying about intelligence and evidence in order to send our people into an unneccesary war that distracts us from our true, and very deadly, enemies is not? Well... that was not under oath, was it? So it's just business as usual, right? Not actually disgusting, huh?

If any person was to blame for 9/11 it was Clinton. He was a complete wuss when it came to terrorism against the US. e.i. The Cole, The embassy bombings, and the way he handled the military conflict in Africa. At least Bush flexed some muscles. What is the point of having military if we let terrorists attack our troops.

*Slaps forehead extremely hard* :x

Alright... Bush's main conflict has been inside Iraq, which has pretty much no influence on the terrorist networks we're supposed to be targeting. Let's see: IRAQ AND AL QAIDA ARE NOT LINKED. I do not know how many times this needs to be stated. It has been said by Bush himself that they are not linked. The closest linkage there pretty much is is that they're from the Mid East.

Gauranteed, during Clinton's time, we received more attacks, but take a look at the death tools. Clinton's compared to Bush's in severity pale. Not to mention, Clinton actually worked off the warnings he received. Hell, he created a whole branch in, I believe it was in the FBI (if not that, the CIA), to combat Osama bin Laden and Al Qaida. This was completely ignored by Bush up until about 9/11.

Not to mention Clinton lied on the stand.Bush lied about the WMDs.

Bush's lies kill people.
Clinton's lies didn't.

Not to mention Clinton lied on the stand.Bush lied about the WMDs.

Bush's lies kill people.
Clinton's lies didn't.

I'd lie too if i was caught cheating.

I heard that Clinton likes women with big butts, which is cool. I haven't heard anything good about Bush.

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I'd lie too if i was caught cheating.

Particularly if I had to face Hilary in bed at night. I'd never get any sleep because I'd live in constant fear that she'd Bobbit me. :shock:

Why wasn't 'Neither' a choice? I would have picked that.

Facing Hillary in bed at night is scary enough as is...seriously I can't say I really blame him for cheating >.<

Facing Hillary in bed at night is scary enough as is...seriously I can't say I really blame him for cheating >.<

Haha…sure! Blame Clinton for the 9/11 events… blame him for the bad economy., blame him for the bad weather too!

The truth is that Clinton promoted peace and strengthened democracy during his administration. He protected Americans by combating terrorism in Afghanistan and Sudan, and through diplomacy in North Korea and Iraq. There are so many things that Clinton did to improve people’s lives that it almost makes it…idk… irrelevant to criticize him—especially when comparing him to Bush, which is ludicrous!

Clinton lied on the stand, eh? Well, ok, what have Bush and his people been doing throughout these four years? Exactly, chronically lying and in many instances under oath. Uh huh and one more little thing to point out; CLINTON’S SEX LIFE NEVER BELONGED IN POLITICS OR IN THE PUBLIC EYE! It’s ridiculous how the right wing is still fixated on his personal life.

Facing Hillary in bed at night is scary enough as is...seriously I can't say I really blame him for cheating >.<

True she did look like a Lesbian. I mean yikes I would be afraid to go to bed with her after she found out i was trying to get as many interns as possible. I really would be terrifyed she was going to bobbit me.

Hmm...I wonder why Bush would make a testimony under oath for the 9/11 committee...maybe he learned a lesson from Clinton and decided that he better not get himself stuck in that situation...besides, Bush has a record of dealing with cops and knows how to get himself out of trouble, eh?

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Clinton lied on the stand, eh? Well, ok, what have Bush and his people been doing throughout these four years? Exactly, chronically lying and in many instances under oath. Uh huh and one more little thing to point out; CLINTON’S SEX LIFE NEVER BELONGED IN POLITICS OR IN THE PUBLIC EYE! It’s ridiculous how the right wing is still fixated on his personal life.

It's a tactic that still works today. Accuse somebody of something that is either a) not a crime and their own personal business &/or b) something you cannot prove they did. Then watch them squirm and if in their squirming they do anything that you CAN pin on them, you've "caught" them.

That's how the current administration put on its commodities law show trial, its witchhunt against that "major stock market cheater" Martha Stewart. Accuse her of something based on coincidence and then wait for her to panic and try to cover up the appearance of impropriety. Then, even when she calms down and undoes her attempt, you can still convict her on evidence tampering even though your original charges are so flimsy that no jury would convict.

That's how they went against Clinton. Call him on something that has nothing to do with his job (he works from home, after all) and is not illegal, and thus push him into either putting his personal life on tv in his own words or lying to congress.

The crime is found in the "suspect's" ill-advised responses to the witch hunt. Way to fight crime, people!

Haha…sure! Blame Clinton for the 9/11 events… blame him for the bad economy., blame him for the bad weather too!

Haha, I figure the right will be still blaming Clinton well into the next decade..lol.. ;)

You know...I bet it was Clinton that left Saddam in power after the first Gulf War too? And Pearl Harbor is his fault too...and you know what...if the American legislators are only willing to impeach on things like getting head in the oval office, then I shall immediately denounce my avidly adamant heterosexuality and go give Gee Dub a blow job just to get him out of there...

Isn't it amazing how Clinton, nearly four years after he left office, is still dominating the entire world with his policies? Now that's staying power.

You know...I bet it was Clinton that left Saddam in power after the first Gulf War too? And Pearl Harbor is his fault too...and you know what...if the American legislators are only willing to impeach on things like getting head in the oval office, then I shall immediately denounce my avidly adamant heterosexuality and go give Gee Dub a blow job just to get him out of there...

Umm, don't forget it was Clinton who was the assassin who started WW1 too! :lol:

Wait, I have an unconfirmed report that Clinton actually ate the apple from the Tree of Knowledge.

Then he nailed Eve.

Then Adam.

Then Eve again.

Is there no depth to the depravity of this man?

Won't someone please think of the children!

i think clinton is better

Clinton most definitely has the upper hand when it comes to this. Sure, personally he's a bit of an asshole, but when it comes to what he did against Al Qaeda and terrorism in general, compared to Bush he looks like a saint.

During the end of Clinton's presidency, he was getting criticism for his "obsession" with bin Laden and Al Qaeda. There were people saying that the money, time and effort going towards fighting against them would be more useful going somewhere else. Guess who was right?

I do think Bush did a good job handling 9/11 and eradicating the Taliban. However, he's also used 9/11 as an excuse to go into Iraq, after telling everyone that Saddam helped out with it.

If any person was to blame for 9/11 it was Clinton. He was a complete wuss when it came to terrorism against the US. e.i. The Cole, The embassy bombings, and the way he handled the military conflict in Africa. At least Bush flexed some muscles. What is the point of having military if we let terrorists attack our troops.

Not to mention Clinton lied on the stand. This makes his personal life on the same level as a common criminal. He severely dishonoured our nation by his outrageous behavior.

Clinton did pass good legislation. But any person who is disgusting enough to lie on the stand deosn't deserve the honour of even being considered as better than Bush.

J. Pigg


Look kids...this is what a person that doesnt have any idea of what theyre talking about, looks like.

Look kids...this is what a person that doesnt have any idea of what theyre talking about, looks like.
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As much as Bush nauseates me, when it comes to treason, Clinton is hard to top. Read the book 'Year of the Rat' for more details.

As much as Bush nauseates me, when it comes to treason, Clinton is hard to top. Read the book 'Year of the Rat' for more details.

1) AWOL isn't treason?
2) Desertion isn't treason?
3) Lying to the people you govern in order to garner support for an unjust war that violates the charter of an international organization we created isn't treason?
4) Proposing constitutional ammendments to restrict rights isn't treason?
5) Saying "There ought to be limits to freedom" isn't treason?

(Why don't you tell us the gist of the book as I'm not going to go out and buy it any time soon just to reply to your failed attempt at an argument on an online forum.)

Clinton only lied about sex, Bush lied about nukes; that's quite a big difference, isn't it?

How many Americans do you know that lie about sex? Tons.

Hmm, seems lying about sex is the "American" thing to do these days.


How many Americans do you know that lie about nukes? A presidential administration full of them, but that's pretty much it.

And now we've really (drops the F-bomb)ed it up. Iran is mobilizing troops on the southern part of the Iran/Iraq border. Hooah, Gee Dub, Hooah!

As much as Bush nauseates me, when it comes to treason, Clinton is hard to top. Read the book 'Year of the Rat' for more details.

1) AWOL isn't treason?
2) Desertion isn't treason?
3) Lying to the people you govern in order to garner support for an unjust war that violates the charter of an international organization we created isn't treason?
4) Proposing constitutional ammendments to restrict rights isn't treason?
5) Saying "There ought to be limits to freedom" isn't treason?

(Why don't you tell us the gist of the book as I'm not going to go out and buy it any time soon just to reply to your failed attempt at an argument on an online forum.)

Have you checked the "facts" around those accusations, Opal? Particularly accusations 1 and 2.

As for 3, the justness of the War is debatable, esp. in light of Gen. Clark's conduct of actions in Bosnia and Kosovo (having civilian convoys strafed, covering up casualties as "Training Accidents", etc...).

The Clinton Administration's only prosecutable crime is one that would have resulted in a life sentence during the Cold war- the sale of Missile Guidance technology to the People's Republic of China in 1997. Everything else was garden-variety run of the mill corruption. Bill's involvement in the S&L scandal wasn't prosecuteable only because of the statute of Limitations-the actual Whitewater scandal involved bank fraud and bribery-but the evidence was (successfully) witheld until mere days after the law says you can't bring formal charges.
Besides, Bill's a Democrat-the laws don't apply to them the same way in the court of Public Opinion.

i believe freeway blogger summed it up nicely:
"no one died when clinton lied"

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i believe freeway blogger summed it up nicely:
"no one died when clinton lied"

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Nicely said indeed. Oh, by the way...I don't have any respect for pro-Bushers that refuse to see F9/11 (not that that is what we are discussing here...).

As much as Bush nauseates me, when it comes to treason, Clinton is hard to top. Read the book 'Year of the Rat' for more details.

1) AWOL isn't treason?
2) Desertion isn't treason?
3) Lying to the people you govern in order to garner support for an unjust war that violates the charter of an international organization we created isn't treason?
4) Proposing constitutional ammendments to restrict rights isn't treason?
5) Saying "There ought to be limits to freedom" isn't treason?

(Why don't you tell us the gist of the book as I'm not going to go out and buy it any time soon just to reply to your failed attempt at an argument on an online forum.)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Bush! HE committed treason, too! Virtually every 20th century (and 21st, in Bushy Boy's case) President committed treason in one form or another, with the possible exceptions of (and note I said 'possible') T.R. and Coolidge.

i believe freeway blogger summed it up nicely:
"no one died when clinton lied"

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Nicely said indeed. Oh, by the way...I don't have any respect for pro-Bushers that refuse to see F9/11 (not that that is what we are discussing here...).
Sorry we're not going to finance Moore.

As much as Bush nauseates me, when it comes to treason, Clinton is hard to top. Read the book 'Year of the Rat' for more details.

1) AWOL isn't treason?
2) Desertion isn't treason?
3) Lying to the people you govern in order to garner support for an unjust war that violates the charter of an international organization we created isn't treason?
4) Proposing constitutional ammendments to restrict rights isn't treason?
5) Saying "There ought to be limits to freedom" isn't treason?

(Why don't you tell us the gist of the book as I'm not going to go out and buy it any time soon just to reply to your failed attempt at an argument on an online forum.)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Bush! HE committed treason, too! Virtually every 20th century (and 21st, in Bushy Boy's case) President committed treason in one form or another, with the possible exceptions of (and note I said 'possible') T.R. and Coolidge.

Hmm, depending on how much of F9/11 you want to believe...I think Bush/Bush&co take the cake for worst treason in the past 100 years.

Clinton, goddammit....he didn't disgrace the President's office, he p**ped it up!

? And a homophobic nazi who doesnt believe in evolution is better by default?
Bush doesnt care about the environment, women's right to choose, euthanasia, gay rights, people's right to privacy from the government (what used to be valued by REAL republicans), or any sort of educational system.

I'm sorry, Clinton might have slept around and "caused 9-11", but he was still 10000 times better than Bush.

Besides, 9-11 is entirely overrated. Get over it. Seriously, there are much more important things than 3000 dead people.
Besides, it was bound to happen sometime. If anything we should blame the people who gave the WMD to Al Qaeda during the Iraq/Iran conflict: the first Bush administration. But I don't. I think that is completly unfair, and that the first Bush was a fine President who just made a shortsighted decision.

Yes, you want a real Republican, look to Teddy Roosevelt and Lincoln. These neo-conservative Christian wackjobs aren't even human.

The real Republican outlook was limited government intervention (except for national security) and the securing of people's rights.

Bush hasn't allowed many rights.
And he hasn't exactly been keeping out of people's private lives.

And once again, I could care less about national security (because you could aruge either way if he has or has not been taking care of it), as this is something more countries HAVE to deal with.

Besides, it was bound to happen sometime. If anything we should blame the people who gave the WMD to Al Qaeda during the Iraq/Iran conflict: the first Bush administration. But I don't. I think that is completly unfair, and that the first Bush was a fine President who just made a shortsited decision.

I think the CIA started equipping Iraq before the first Gulf War. I don't know where, but I think that the CIA was the reason Saddam first came to power. Just like Castro. And the reason the Taliban defeated the Soviets...and the reason Bay of Pigs sucked...and...yea...