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And oust all the political whores and corporate pig dems--the same way rightwing extremists hijacked the GOP--its time for some BALANCE in the political realm--corporate sellouts in the DNC are not good enuf rivals for wild eyed fanatics that now control the GOP

So two extremes will bring us back to the middle ground, eh?

And I don't really see that wild-eyed look you talk about, but that's probably just me.

You cannot defeat capitalism with government. The Marxists tried it and it failed. The government is just as much an enemy as capitalism.

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This is the sort of thing that got you deated, remember?

So two extremes will bring us back to the middle ground, eh?

And I don't really see that wild-eyed look you talk about, but that's probably just me.yes we need true competition in the realm of ideas--currently both partys represent the 2 wings of the same Vulture

You cannot defeat capitalism with government. The Marxists tried it and it failed. The government is just as much an enemy as capitalism.

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I like big butts!
http://img63.photobucket.com/albums/v193/eddy_the_great/steatopygia.jpgwell if we take over govt from within we can pass laws to outlaw it

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This is the sort of thing that got you deated, remember?dont disturb the mods

So two extremes will bring us back to the middle ground, eh?

And I don't really see that wild-eyed look you talk about, but that's probably just me.yes we need true competition in the realm of ideas--currently both partys represent the 2 wings of the same Vulture

Who the hell is this guy. Anyone will tell you that liberalism isn't the way to go. Conservative Democrats and Conservative Republicans are they way to go. They are the most stable of people and do know what is good for the country.

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This is the sort of thing that got you deated, remember?dont disturb the mods

So two extremes will bring us back to the middle ground, eh?

And I don't really see that wild-eyed look you talk about, but that's probably just me.yes we need true competition in the realm of ideas--currently both partys represent the 2 wings of the same Vulture

Who the hell is this guy. Anyone will tell you that liberalism isn't the way to go. Conservative Democrats and Conservative Republicans are they way to go. They are the most stable of people and do know what is good for the country.conservatives are dinosaurs and hold back progress--we need people who can think out of the box

You cannot defeat capitalism with government. The Marxists tried it and it failed. The government is just as much an enemy as capitalism.
Didn't the CNT enter the Popular Front goverment? Or do you prefer not to mention that. :lol:

So two extremes will bring us back to the middle ground, eh?

And I don't really see that wild-eyed look you talk about, but that's probably just me.yes we need true competition in the realm of ideas--currently both partys represent the 2 wings of the same Vulture

Who the hell is this guy. Anyone will tell you that liberalism isn't the way to go. Conservative Democrats and Conservative Republicans are they way to go. They are the most stable of people and do know what is good for the country.conservatives are dinosaurs and hold back progress--we need people who can think out of the box

No sorry. Conservatives knows what needs to be done. I hate to say it but the Liberals are out of touch and are socialistic in nature. They have want us to become like the old USSR! The only way that they can survive in this day in age. Not going to happen. The people will reject the Left side of the Democratic Party.

"left" & "right," "Liberal" & "Conservative" carry absolutely no meaning outside 'the box,' it is solely within the box that these assignations have any meaning.

So two extremes will bring us back to the middle ground, eh?

And I don't really see that wild-eyed look you talk about, but that's probably just me.yes we need true competition in the realm of ideas--currently both partys represent the 2 wings of the same Vulture

Who the hell is this guy. Anyone will tell you that liberalism isn't the way to go. Conservative Democrats and Conservative Republicans are they way to go. They are the most stable of people and do know what is good for the country.conservatives are dinosaurs and hold back progress--we need people who can think out of the box

No sorry. Conservatives knows what needs to be done. I hate to say it but the Liberals are out of touch and are socialistic in nature. They have want us to become like the old USSR! The only way that they can survive in this day in age. Not going to happen. The people will reject the Left side of the Democratic Party.the majority of the people dont vote because theyre not hearing our leaders say leftwing things--conservatives can only win when LESS people vote

DP

Didn't the CNT enter the Popular Front goverment? Or do you prefer not to mention that.

Which would explain their success rate.

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Man you sure are full of it! WHo do you listen too? Air America?

Liberals have been out of touch for a long time. The lost the last 2 elections. They are out of power and they don't know how to handle it. The people want a change and they made it. They don't want more liberal policies! Face that fact jack!

"left" & "right," "Liberal" & "Conservative" carry absolutely no meaning outside 'the box,' it is solely within the box that these assignations have any meaning.true but people outside the box still need to know who to oppose

Man you sure are full of it! WHo do you listen too? Air America?

Liberals have been out of touch for a long time. The lost the last 2 elections. They are out of power and they don't know how to handle it. The people want a change and they made it. They don't want more liberal policies! Face that fact jack!yeah Im listening to air america exactly now and if libs are so out of touch why is air america getting higher ratings then Rush Windbag?

I wouldn't mind the Democrats going farther to the left, more election wins for us then.

I wouldn't mind the Democrats going farther to the left, more election wins for us then.I dont agree--I think alot of people are turned off to politics cause politicians dont speak strongly about the issues that matter to them and insted are all corporate suckups--If you think libs cant generate excitement and high turn out then how do you explain what Howard Dean accomplished?

Howard Dean ended up accomplishing nothing.

conservatives are dinosaurs and hold back progress--we need people who can think out of the box

Maybe stereotyped christian conservatives who rely on fiat reasoning, but I'd say some Liberal beliefs are more 'pre-historic' than one's that can be broadly labeled 'Conservative,' such as social minarchy. At least rightist economic minarchy relies on prior infrastructure and isn't an atavism into pre-established conditions before human progress influenced it's own civil model, as in social minarchy.

Howard Dean ended up accomplishing nothing.Dean created the internet precedent and he proved that strong speaking liberals generate excitement and dems that run to the middle generate comas

So two extremes will bring us back to the middle ground, eh?

And I don't really see that wild-eyed look you talk about, but that's probably just me.yes we need true competition in the realm of ideas--currently both partys represent the 2 wings of the same Vulture

Who the hell is this guy. Anyone will tell you that liberalism isn't the way to go. Conservative Democrats and Conservative Republicans are they way to go. They are the most stable of people and do know what is good for the country.conservatives are dinosaurs and hold back progress--we need people who can think out of the box

No sorry. Conservatives knows what needs to be done. I hate to say it but the Liberals are out of touch and are socialistic in nature. They have want us to become like the old USSR! The only way that they can survive in this day in age. Not going to happen. The people will reject the Left side of the Democratic Party.

What was that with being out of touch?

Liberal != Socialism
Liberal != Communism

i agree, in so far as i would like to actually see TWO parties in our two party system. right now the Democrats are trying to out-conservative the Republicans, and it's boring as all hell.

conservatives are dinosaurs and hold back progress--we need people who can think out of the box

Maybe stereotyped christian conservatives who rely on fiat reasoning, but I'd say some Liberal beliefs are more 'pre-historic' than one's that can be broadly labeled 'Conservative,' such as social minarchy. At least rightist economic minarchy relies on prior infrastructure and isn't an atavism into pre-established conditions before human progress influenced it's own civil model, as in social minarchy.can you translate this into english?

Man you sure are full of it! WHo do you listen too? Air America?

Liberals have been out of touch for a long time. The lost the last 2 elections. They are out of power and they don't know how to handle it. The people want a change and they made it. They don't want more liberal policies! Face that fact jack!yeah Im listening to air america exactly now and if libs are so out of touch why is air america getting higher ratings then Rush Windbag?


Could you show your source for that statement about Air America getting higher ratings then Rush Limbaugh? Last time I checked, Rush had a few hundred, and Air America had 15.

i agree, in so far as i would like to actually see TWO parties in our two party system. right now the Democrats are trying to out-conservative the Republicans, and it's boring as all hell.and its also the reason why dems lose elections

i agree, in so far as i would like to actually see TWO parties in our two party system. right now the Democrats are trying to out-conservative the Republicans, and it's boring as all hell.

Agree with you on that one.....

Man you sure are full of it! WHo do you listen too? Air America?

Liberals have been out of touch for a long time. The lost the last 2 elections. They are out of power and they don't know how to handle it. The people want a change and they made it. They don't want more liberal policies! Face that fact jack!yeah Im listening to air america exactly now and if libs are so out of touch why is air america getting higher ratings then Rush Windbag?


Could you show your source for that statement about Air America getting higher ratings then Rush Limbaugh? Last time I checked, Rush had a few hundred, and Air America had 15.I heard it in an aol chatroom

i agree, in so far as i would like to actually see TWO parties in our two party system. right now the Democrats are trying to out-conservative the Republicans, and it's boring as all hell.and its also the reason why dems lose elections

well, that, and the fact that the Democratic party sucks at life. i mean, they couldn't win an election as the incumbents during economic boom, with Dubya as their opposition...it takes real idiocy to fumble the hand they had, but durned if they didn't manage it.

Man you sure are full of it! WHo do you listen too? Air America?

Liberals have been out of touch for a long time. The lost the last 2 elections. They are out of power and they don't know how to handle it. The people want a change and they made it. They don't want more liberal policies! Face that fact jack!yeah Im listening to air america exactly now and if libs are so out of touch why is air america getting higher ratings then Rush Windbag?


Could you show your source for that statement about Air America getting higher ratings then Rush Limbaugh? Last time I checked, Rush had a few hundred, and Air America had 15.I heard it in an aol chatroom


Well, what you heard mustve been a joke. Air America is also is financial trouble. Don't repeat things from aol chatrooms so liberally. :roll:

i agree, in so far as i would like to actually see TWO parties in our two party system. right now the Democrats are trying to out-conservative the Republicans, and it's boring as all hell.

Agree with you on that one.....people figure that as long as dems are trying to out-republican the republican they might as well just vote for the republican--its not only a self defeating strategy but also has the destructive effect of pushing everything too far to the corporate- facist right

i agree, in so far as i would like to actually see TWO parties in our two party system. right now the Democrats are trying to out-conservative the Republicans, and it's boring as all hell.and its also the reason why dems lose elections

well, that, and the fact that the Democratic party sucks at life. i mean, they couldn't win an election as the incumbents during economic boom, with Dubya as their opposition...it takes real idiocy to fumble the hand they had, but durned if they didn't manage it.exactly--they act like someone cut off their balls--thats why Deans campaign genereated so much excitement--finally here was a dem that came out swinging--this was before the corporate media assassanated Dean

the server really needs to get a life

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someone really needs to do something about this server

Dp

Dp

Man you sure are full of it! WHo do you listen too? Air America?

Liberals have been out of touch for a long time. The lost the last 2 elections. They are out of power and they don't know how to handle it. The people want a change and they made it. They don't want more liberal policies! Face that fact jack!yeah Im listening to air america exactly now and if libs are so out of touch why is air america getting higher ratings then Rush Windbag?

HAHAHAHAHA!

Thanks for the laugh! If you truely believe that then you are in Fantasy Land. Rush has more markets than Air America and is national. Air America is in 6 cities and only 6 cities. If they are winning the market game, they wouldn't be bankrupt, they would be paying their bills and they're not! Get your facts straight before you post something rediculous!

conservatives are dinosaurs and hold back progress--we need people who can think out of the box

Maybe stereotyped christian conservatives who rely on fiat reasoning, but I'd say some Liberal beliefs are more 'pre-historic' than one's that can be broadly labeled 'Conservative,' such as social minarchy. At least rightist economic minarchy relies on prior infrastructure and isn't an atavism into pre-established conditions before human progress influenced it's own civil model, as in social minarchy.can you translate this into english?

http://www.dictionary.com/

i agree, in so far as i would like to actually see TWO parties in our two party system. right now the Democrats are trying to out-conservative the Republicans, and it's boring as all hell.and its also the reason why dems lose elections

well, that, and the fact that the Democratic party sucks at life. i mean, they couldn't win an election as the incumbents during economic boom, with Dubya as their opposition...it takes real idiocy to fumble the hand they had, but durned if they didn't manage it.exactly--they act like someone cut off their balls--thats why Deans campaign genereated so much excitement--finally here was a dem that came out swinging--this was before the corporate media assassanated Dean

Dean kind of assassinated himself.

That crazed yelling he did; not really helpful.

Wasn't their also a comment of wanting the support of the guys who drive around with guns in the racks of their trucks?

Man you sure are full of it! WHo do you listen too? Air America?

Liberals have been out of touch for a long time. The lost the last 2 elections. They are out of power and they don't know how to handle it. The people want a change and they made it. They don't want more liberal policies! Face that fact jack!yeah Im listening to air america exactly now and if libs are so out of touch why is air america getting higher ratings then Rush Windbag?


Could you show your source for that statement about Air America getting higher ratings then Rush Limbaugh? Last time I checked, Rush had a few hundred, and Air America had 15.I heard it in an aol chatroom


Well, what you heard mustve been a joke. Air America is also is financial trouble. Don't repeat things from aol chatrooms so liberally. :roll:air america is in no finicial trouble--alot of that is just rightwing wishful thinking

Man you sure are full of it! WHo do you listen too? Air America?

Liberals have been out of touch for a long time. The lost the last 2 elections. They are out of power and they don't know how to handle it. The people want a change and they made it. They don't want more liberal policies! Face that fact jack!yeah Im listening to air america exactly now and if libs are so out of touch why is air america getting higher ratings then Rush Windbag?


Could you show your source for that statement about Air America getting higher ratings then Rush Limbaugh? Last time I checked, Rush had a few hundred, and Air America had 15.I heard it in an aol chatroom


Well, what you heard mustve been a joke. Air America is also is financial trouble. Don't repeat things from aol chatrooms so liberally. :roll:air america is in no finicial trouble--alot of that is just rightwing wishful thinking


In denial i see? Air America is in trouble and there is no denying that!

Dean kind of assassinated himself.

That crazed yelling he did; not really helpful.

Wasn't their also a comment of wanting the support of the guys who drive around with guns in the racks of their trucks?

actually, there was this report put out (which i will try to find online and post a link to) showing that Dean really did get shafted by the media; he made no more mistakes than any of the other candidates, and certainly didn't make as bad mistakes as many, but the ones he did make were waaaaaaaaay over publicized compared to other candidates. it's weird, and i don't know quite what to think about it, but the report i read had so many specifics it really raised my eyebrows. hopefully i will be able to track it down, but maybe somebody else knows what i am talking about and where to find it...?

Man you sure are full of it! WHo do you listen too? Air America?

Liberals have been out of touch for a long time. The lost the last 2 elections. They are out of power and they don't know how to handle it. The people want a change and they made it. They don't want more liberal policies! Face that fact jack!yeah Im listening to air america exactly now and if libs are so out of touch why is air america getting higher ratings then Rush Windbag?


Could you show your source for that statement about Air America getting higher ratings then Rush Limbaugh? Last time I checked, Rush had a few hundred, and Air America had 15.I heard it in an aol chatroom


Well, what you heard mustve been a joke. Air America is also is financial trouble. Don't repeat things from aol chatrooms so liberally. :roll:air america is in no finicial trouble--alot of that is just rightwing wishful thinking

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

That is the second good laugh in ten minutes! I guess you don't follow the news as well as you think.

I'm the second person to tell you that they are and you denounce me! They are in financial trouble it isn't wishful thinking. The papers and the news media have all said that they are bankrupt. Hell some people yanked it off the air and a judge puts it back on.

They are in serious trouble my friend. I'm surprised that they are still on the air and not off the air.

GET YOUR FACTS BEFORE SPOUTING SOMETHING!

Man you sure are full of it! WHo do you listen too? Air America?

Liberals have been out of touch for a long time. The lost the last 2 elections. They are out of power and they don't know how to handle it. The people want a change and they made it. They don't want more liberal policies! Face that fact jack!yeah Im listening to air america exactly now and if libs are so out of touch why is air america getting higher ratings then Rush Windbag?

HAHAHAHAHA!

Thanks for the laugh! If you truely believe that then you are in Fantasy Land. Rush has more markets than Air America and is national. Air America is in 6 cities and only 6 cities. If they are winning the market game, they wouldn't be bankrupt, they would be paying their bills and they're not! Get your facts straight before you post something rediculous!

Actually, in those cities that AA is airing in, they are in fact getting higher ratings. They also didn't go bankrupt, they underwent a restructuring of finances when they realized they had more red ink than black on their bills. That situation has since been resolved, as it only those extreme naysayers who wished to deny AA's very existence jumped on the story and labeled it a "bankruptcy"

However, they are airing from 6 of the "most liberal" cities, as many people point out; thus their advantage isn't surprising.

Which two elections are you referring to? 2000, and....?

conservatives are dinosaurs and hold back progress--we need people who can think out of the box

Maybe stereotyped christian conservatives who rely on fiat reasoning, but I'd say some Liberal beliefs are more 'pre-historic' than one's that can be broadly labeled 'Conservative,' such as social minarchy. At least rightist economic minarchy relies on prior infrastructure and isn't an atavism into pre-established conditions before human progress influenced it's own civil model, as in social minarchy.can you translate this into english?

http://www.dictionary.com/I dont read elitist books

Man you sure are full of it! WHo do you listen too? Air America?

Liberals have been out of touch for a long time. The lost the last 2 elections. They are out of power and they don't know how to handle it. The people want a change and they made it. They don't want more liberal policies! Face that fact jack!yeah Im listening to air america exactly now and if libs are so out of touch why is air america getting higher ratings then Rush Windbag?

HAHAHAHAHA!

Thanks for the laugh! If you truely believe that then you are in Fantasy Land. Rush has more markets than Air America and is national. Air America is in 6 cities and only 6 cities. If they are winning the market game, they wouldn't be bankrupt, they would be paying their bills and they're not! Get your facts straight before you post something rediculous!

Actually, in those cities that AA is airing in, they are in fact getting higher ratings. They also didn't go bankrupt, they underwent a restructuring of finances when they realized they had more red ink than black on their bills. That situation has since been resolved, as it only those extreme naysayers who wished to deny AA's very existence jumped on the story and labeled it a "bankruptcy"

However, they are airing from 6 of the "most liberal" cities, as many people point out; thus their advantage isn't surprising.

Which two elections are you referring to? 2000, and....?

Man you really are out of touch. Yes they did go bankrupt. It was reported and backed up! That was the reason for the restructuring. As for the ratings, they are not there nationally. Maybe in the cities where they are at but not nationally. You yourself just pointed out that they are in the 6 most liberal cities. so your arguement literally goes out the window.

As for the elections. 2000 and 2002 they lost as well as the California Recall and the 2 other governor races!

A dictionary is elistist?

Wow didn't know I was one!

i agree, in so far as i would like to actually see TWO parties in our two party system. right now the Democrats are trying to out-conservative the Republicans, and it's boring as all hell.and its also the reason why dems lose elections

well, that, and the fact that the Democratic party sucks at life. i mean, they couldn't win an election as the incumbents during economic boom, with Dubya as their opposition...it takes real idiocy to fumble the hand they had, but durned if they didn't manage it.exactly--they act like someone cut off their balls--thats why Deans campaign genereated so much excitement--finally here was a dem that came out swinging--this was before the corporate media assassanated Dean

Dean kind of assassinated himself.

That crazed yelling he did; not really helpful.

Wasn't their also a comment of wanting the support of the guys who drive around with guns in the racks of their trucks?Deans yelling wasnt crazy at all--the media hyped that to death and it essentially was a total non issue--and yeah Dean was pro-gun which wouldve taken Votes away from Bush

Man you sure are full of it! WHo do you listen too? Air America?

Liberals have been out of touch for a long time. The lost the last 2 elections. They are out of power and they don't know how to handle it. The people want a change and they made it. They don't want more liberal policies! Face that fact jack!yeah Im listening to air america exactly now and if libs are so out of touch why is air america getting higher ratings then Rush Windbag?


Could you show your source for that statement about Air America getting higher ratings then Rush Limbaugh? Last time I checked, Rush had a few hundred, and Air America had 15.I heard it in an aol chatroom


Well, what you heard mustve been a joke. Air America is also is financial trouble. Don't repeat things from aol chatrooms so liberally. :roll:air america is in no finicial trouble--alot of that is just rightwing wishful thinking


In denial i see? Air America is in trouble and there is no denying that!I just did

"The left wing needs to take over the dem party"

You mean they haven't already? :lol:

Believe it or not, Red Arrow, a good portion of Americans are totally indifferent to what their country does... well, at least most of the people at my school are...

Dean kind of assassinated himself.

That crazed yelling he did; not really helpful.

Wasn't their also a comment of wanting the support of the guys who drive around with guns in the racks of their trucks?

actually, there was this report put out (which i will try to find online and post a link to) showing that Dean really did get shafted by the media; he made no more mistakes than any of the other candidates, and certainly didn't make as bad mistakes as many, but the ones he did make were waaaaaaaaay over publicized compared to other candidates. it's weird, and i don't know quite what to think about it, but the report i read had so many specifics it really raised my eyebrows. hopefully i will be able to track it down, but maybe somebody else knows what i am talking about and where to find it...?Incertonia will get it

Man you sure are full of it! WHo do you listen too? Air America?

Liberals have been out of touch for a long time. The lost the last 2 elections. They are out of power and they don't know how to handle it. The people want a change and they made it. They don't want more liberal policies! Face that fact jack!yeah Im listening to air america exactly now and if libs are so out of touch why is air america getting higher ratings then Rush Windbag?


Could you show your source for that statement about Air America getting higher ratings then Rush Limbaugh? Last time I checked, Rush had a few hundred, and Air America had 15.I heard it in an aol chatroom


Well, what you heard mustve been a joke. Air America is also is financial trouble. Don't repeat things from aol chatrooms so liberally. :roll:air america is in no finicial trouble--alot of that is just rightwing wishful thinking

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

That is the second good laugh in ten minutes! I guess you don't follow the news as well as you think.

I'm the second person to tell you that they are and you denounce me! They are in financial trouble it isn't wishful thinking. The papers and the news media have all said that they are bankrupt. Hell some people yanked it off the air and a judge puts it back on.

They are in serious trouble my friend. I'm surprised that they are still on the air and not off the air.

GET YOUR FACTS BEFORE SPOUTING SOMETHING!air america is in the air--GET USED TO IT

Believe it or not, Red Arrow, a good portion of Americans are totally indifferent to what their country does... well, at least most of the people at my school are...well that will change when Bush reinstates the draft--just because someone doesnt pay attention to politics wont stop politics from killing them

Believe it or not, Red Arrow, a good portion of Americans are totally indifferent to what their country does... well, at least most of the people at my school are...well that will change when Bush reinstates the draft--just because someone doesnt pay attention to politics wont stop politics from killing them

Problem. Bush cant reinstate the draft without Congressional Approval! Besides its a DEMOCRAT FROM NEW YORK, Rep Shumer, wants it reinstated and everyone from Rumsfield to the Generals to Many Reps and Senators said we don't need it! Don't hold your breath for this to pass.

Yes it is on the air. Not denying that it was off the air. However, they're influence is miniscule and hardly has money to pay their own people. That constitutes Financial Troubles. Hence why they are restructering. Maybe if they ever get to the markets that matter, then maybe they can do something. Until the MKULTRA, they are a spec on the broadcast map.

Believe it or not, Red Arrow, a good portion of Americans are totally indifferent to what their country does... well, at least most of the people at my school are...well that will change when Bush reinstates the draft--just because someone doesnt pay attention to politics wont stop politics from killing them

Problem. Bush cant reinstate the draft without Congressional Approval! Besides its a DEMOCRAT FROM NEW YORK, Rep Shumer, wants it reinstated and everyone from Rumsfield to the Generals to Many Reps and Senators said we don't need it! Don't hold your breath for this to pass.

Yes it is on the air. Not denying that it was off the air. However, they're influence is miniscule and hardly has money to pay their own people. That constitutes Financial Troubles. Hence why they are restructering. Maybe if they ever get to the markets that matter, then maybe they can do something. Until the MKULTRA, they are a spec on the broadcast map.a spec of truth in a sea of lies is a very potent force

Believe it or not, Red Arrow, a good portion of Americans are totally indifferent to what their country does... well, at least most of the people at my school are...well that will change when Bush reinstates the draft--just because someone doesnt pay attention to politics wont stop politics from killing them

Problem. Bush cant reinstate the draft without Congressional Approval! Besides its a DEMOCRAT FROM NEW YORK, Rep Shumer, wants it reinstated and everyone from Rumsfield to the Generals to Many Reps and Senators said we don't need it! Don't hold your breath for this to pass.

Yes it is on the air. Not denying that it was off the air. However, they're influence is miniscule and hardly has money to pay their own people. That constitutes Financial Troubles. Hence why they are restructering. Maybe if they ever get to the markets that matter, then maybe they can do something. Until the MKULTRA, they are a spec on the broadcast map.a spec of truth in a sea of lies is a very potent force

Believe it or not, Red Arrow, a good portion of Americans are totally indifferent to what their country does... well, at least most of the people at my school are...well that will change when Bush reinstates the draft--just because someone doesnt pay attention to politics wont stop politics from killing them

Problem. Bush cant reinstate the draft without Congressional Approval! Besides its a DEMOCRAT FROM NEW YORK, Rep Shumer, wants it reinstated and everyone from Rumsfield to the Generals to Many Reps and Senators said we don't need it! Don't hold your breath for this to pass.

Yes it is on the air. Not denying that it was off the air. However, they're influence is miniscule and hardly has money to pay their own people. That constitutes Financial Troubles. Hence why they are restructering. Maybe if they ever get to the markets that matter, then maybe they can do something. Until the MKULTRA, they are a spec on the broadcast map.a spec of truth in a sea of lies is a very potent force

Believe it or not, Red Arrow, a good portion of Americans are totally indifferent to what their country does... well, at least most of the people at my school are...well that will change when Bush reinstates the draft--just because someone doesnt pay attention to politics wont stop politics from killing them

Problem. Bush cant reinstate the draft without Congressional Approval! Besides its a DEMOCRAT FROM NEW YORK, Rep Shumer, wants it reinstated and everyone from Rumsfield to the Generals to Many Reps and Senators said we don't need it! Don't hold your breath for this to pass.

Yes it is on the air. Not denying that it was off the air. However, they're influence is miniscule and hardly has money to pay their own people. That constitutes Financial Troubles. Hence why they are restructering. Maybe if they ever get to the markets that matter, then maybe they can do something. Until the MKULTRA, they are a spec on the broadcast map.a spec of truth in a sea of lies is a very potent force

Name one truth that they have broadcasted!

Believe it or not, Red Arrow, a good portion of Americans are totally indifferent to what their country does... well, at least most of the people at my school are...well that will change when Bush reinstates the draft--just because someone doesnt pay attention to politics wont stop politics from killing them

Problem. Bush cant reinstate the draft without Congressional Approval! Besides its a DEMOCRAT FROM NEW YORK, Rep Shumer, wants it reinstated and everyone from Rumsfield to the Generals to Many Reps and Senators said we don't need it! Don't hold your breath for this to pass.

Yes it is on the air. Not denying that it was off the air. However, they're influence is miniscule and hardly has money to pay their own people. That constitutes Financial Troubles. Hence why they are restructering. Maybe if they ever get to the markets that matter, then maybe they can do something. Until the MKULTRA, they are a spec on the broadcast map.

Well a buddy told me(take it with a grain of salt) that a friend told him that there is a great deal of money going to be allocated for "improving" draft offices. He thought they were probably going to reinstitute it after the elections.

I have not verified so again......

I do not think Bush is stupid enough to reinstate the draft. And congress would NEVER let it pass.
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The Democratic party was already taken over by the "radical left." The Republican party, Bush in particular, is not as "right wing" as you think it is. Bush has done a lot of stupid things that would seem like Kerry would do -- mostly what I'm thinking of is the "guest visa program." a REAL right winger would have the border patrolled with military on a shoot-to-kill basis.
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In reality, though, this "left-wing right-wing" one dimentional crap doesn't really work all that well, unless you are talking about a solely ECONOMIC line. If that is the case (which it isn't), the "left wing right wing" would work.

www.politicalcompass.org

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload6/Krry.GIF

And oust all the political whores and corporate pig dems--the same way rightwing extremists hijacked the GOP--its time for some BALANCE in the political realm--corporate sellouts in the DNC are not good enuf rivals for wild eyed fanatics that now control the GOP

The Dems are left-wing enough as it is. They are at the mercy of their left-wing/liberal supporters - the teachers unions, the black affirmative-action types, the feminists, the hispanics who want more government handouts and even less immigration controls, the multiculturalists, the "gays", etc - the usual motley collection of deviants, rootless cosmopolitans, special interest groups, internationalists, and idiots. Decent old-style conservatives like Zell Miller are ostracized from the party.

The GOP though is hardly much better. Social conservatives (paleo-conservatives) are treated with disdain. Bush and his neo-conservative friends are more interested in serving the interests of big business and Israel than anything else.

The social conservatives - the ones who are truly right-wing, not the neocons who are more and more socially liberal and pro-big-business - are the recipients of a few minor gestures, such as the appointment of some conservative judges, or Bush’s marriage amendment, but some of them feel that Bush just wishes they would shut up and go away - or at least just support the party on election day and not make any trouble.

Bush’s GOP is hardly right wing at all. The old right wing was concerned with getting America out of the world and its problems - a Republic, not an Empire. They would have protected American industries rather than supported NAFTA and outsourcing. They would have made an real effort to enforce immigration laws, not given way to the demands of the corporations and their need for cheap labor.

I find it hard to believe that any self-respecting conservative can vote for Bush. If the only reason for voting for him is that he’s the slightly better of two truly appalling candidates, then just stay home, that’s not a good enough reason.

LOL :D :lol: :D :lol:

Great picture, DGNT

Different subject entirely, but actually Nader has some good points to make. Socially liberal he may be, but there's one guy who is concerned more with the interests of the American worker and not under the spell of the corporations.

He was interviewed recently by the American Conservative magazine and here, at last, was one person who wants to get rid of NAFTA and control immigration for the benefit of the average American worker and not for the corporations and/or the multicultural morons. It was surprising to see someone so commonly portrayed as extreme left-wing making some good points about the detrimental effects of mass-immigration. Almost no one does that any more.

What’s interesting is that the old left-right identification is starting to fall away. The old boundaries are changing - when Nader can start to appeal to people on the right then that has to be good.

Different subject entirely, but actually Nader has some good points to make. Socially liberal he may be, but there's one guy who is concerned more with the interests of the American worker and not under the spell of the corporations.

He was interviewed recently by the American Conservative magazine and here, at last, was one person who wants to get rid of NAFTA and control immigration for the benefit of the average American worker and not for the corporations and/or the multicultural morons. It was surprising to see someone so commonly portrayed as extreme left-wing making some good points about the detrimental effects of mass-immigration. Almost no one does that any more.

What’s interesting is that the old left-right identification is starting to fall away. The old boundaries are changing - when Nader can start to appeal to people on the right then that has to be good.I posted an article on Nader reaching out to conservatives

Believe it or not, Red Arrow, a good portion of Americans are totally indifferent to what their country does... well, at least most of the people at my school are...well that will change when Bush reinstates the draft--just because someone doesnt pay attention to politics wont stop politics from killing them

Problem. Bush cant reinstate the draft without Congressional Approval! Besides its a DEMOCRAT FROM NEW YORK, Rep Shumer, wants it reinstated and everyone from Rumsfield to the Generals to Many Reps and Senators said we don't need it! Don't hold your breath for this to pass.

Yes it is on the air. Not denying that it was off the air. However, they're influence is miniscule and hardly has money to pay their own people. That constitutes Financial Troubles. Hence why they are restructering. Maybe if they ever get to the markets that matter, then maybe they can do something. Until the MKULTRA, they are a spec on the broadcast map.a spec of truth in a sea of lies is a very potent force

Name one truth that they have broadcasted!that Bush sucks

does anybody really care about conservatives or liberals? the average american hardly knows what these labels mean. and your even more stupid if you would consider yourself one of these. america is complex, duh! so why should you define your political beliefs in one word, right or left, dem. or rep. i am an independent; yes one word but at least i know what that means! i would have to agree with the "liberals" or the "left wing. democrats make good leaders, easy as that; republicans rely on manipulating information. imagine it was a democrat who lead the war in Iraq today, you honestly think he wouldnt be impeached! republicans just flat out LIE and we excuse them! yeah clinton lied but about what? gettin head from an intern, ooohhh my GOD! this adminisstration is full of lies and if you dont believe it then what is it, errors, failures, misunderstandings. During clinton think of what the news consisted of, O.J., and Monica Lewinsky; bush on the other hand, 9/11, corporate corruption, laggind economy, failed intelligence on wmd, mounting coalition and civilian deaths in iraq, beheadings. and countless other isssues. conservatives are driven by the religions fundamentalists thats why so many people are "right wingers" america is deeply religious and there is nothing wrong with that but when you have preachers giving god's opinion in their own view, thats were we are corrupted. conservative influence is everywhere, so big surprise many americans are conservatives. but i guarentee more americans dont even know what being conservative means than those who actually think they are.

You really think the right-wing extremists took over the GOP?

www.vonbluvens.org

MKULTRA ARE YOU THE RED ARROW? :shock:

Man you really are out of touch. Yes they did go bankrupt. It was reported and backed up! That was the reason for the restructuring. As for the ratings, they are not there nationally. Maybe in the cities where they are at but not nationally. You yourself just pointed out that they are in the 6 most liberal cities. so your arguement literally goes out the window.

As for the elections. 2000 and 2002 they lost as well as the California Recall and the 2 other governor races!
At this point you'll have to source, because you're the only one who believes this. The fact is, they are in major media markets and they are doing well. Any media outlet is going to have trouble at the begining until it establishes an audience base to get sponsers and set rates. Hedging that the markets are liberal smacks of 'cry wolf' and really just, as I said, hedging. "No one will listen to it." "No one in a media market will listen." "No one in a media market that isn't one I don't like."

The outrating of Rush happened in NY. That is a grail of media markets and matters a great deal. It's why there is less attempts to dance on Air America's grave these days, because the fact is it is taking hold.

Man you really are out of touch. Yes they did go bankrupt. It was reported and backed up! That was the reason for the restructuring. As for the ratings, they are not there nationally. Maybe in the cities where they are at but not nationally. You yourself just pointed out that they are in the 6 most liberal cities. so your arguement literally goes out the window.

As for the elections. 2000 and 2002 they lost as well as the California Recall and the 2 other governor races!
At this point you'll have to source, because you're the only one who believes this. The fact is, they are in major media markets and they are doing well. Any media outlet is going to have trouble at the begining until it establishes an audience base to get sponsers and set rates. Hedging that the markets are liberal smacks of 'cry wolf' and really just, as I said, hedging. "No one will listen to it." "No one in a media market will listen." "No one in a media market that isn't one I don't like."

The outrating of Rush happened in NY. That is a grail of media markets and matters a great deal. It's why there is less attempts to dance on Air America's grave these days, because the fact is it is taking hold.
They haven't gone bankrupt, but they have restructured--read about it
a couple of days ago. But the problem was never the business plan. It was
the fact that the guys who got the ball rolling claimed to have more money
than they really had, so the big surplus everyone--including the talent--
thought they had was really debt.

However--and this is the good part--since the restructuring and since the
new people have taken over, Air America is running smoothly and is
winning the ratings war in New York. All that's happened is that the
planned expansion is a little slower than was originally anticipated. They
aren't disappearing any time soon.

I'd post a link to all this, but the article was in the Wall Street Journal and
you have to have a paid subscription for that.

Seems like a lot of people here don't even know what liberal means.
Liberal - correspondant to the liberties of the individual.
Conservative - changing little, spending little, doing less to upset norm and more to preserve what works for it socially.
Look it up if you don't understand. Even if, socially, certain powers have encouraged flip-flop euphemizing to suit their paragon of misinformation, it doesn't mean you're any way educated because you listen to a radio blowhard.

If it were that simple, life would be great. Well, no, it wouldn't, but you get my point. The definitions in America nowadays are a bit more "in-depth" than that, but I still say one-dimentional measuring is completely inaccurate

And oust all the political whores and corporate pig dems--the same way rightwing extremists hijacked the GOP--its time for some BALANCE in the political realm--corporate sellouts in the DNC are not good enuf rivals for wild eyed fanatics that now control the GOP

i agree man! death to the motherfuc|king MAN!

It'd be great if the Democratic Party was controlled by the left wing, all that would happen would be that all of the center voters in the party would be alienated, and the Party would be crippled.

Didn't the CNT enter the Popular Front goverment? Or do you prefer not to mention that.

Which would explain their success rate.

Wouldn't you agree that they got crushed millitarilly not politically? Even so, they still were a lot more effective then the modern anarchist movement. They actually had their base in the working class for one thing.

You know, maybe the far left should take over the Democratic Party.
Im a Liberal, but a Liberal Independant.
Im ashamed for the Democrats, they have the better strategies, the brighter people, and the more effective economic plan.

The problem is that theyre also a bunch of pussies.

They whine and bitch, but when it comes to accomplishing anything, the Republicans snuff it.
..and the Dems dont do anything about it.

Get the people out to vote.

Vote your conscience.

Be proud of your country and get off your fat lazy asses and let the world know that you have a say in who leads you.
Dont like Bush?
Then put down the Doritos, put some pants on...snuff out the doobie....and go freakin vote!

Those who do not make their voice heard....do not have the right to complain about who leads the Government.

I bitch about Bush all the time.

I have voted in every election since I was 18.

You know, maybe the far left should take over the Democratic Party.
Im a Liberal, but a Liberal Independant.
Im ashamed for the Democrats, they have the better strategies, the brighter people, and the more effective economic plan.

The problem is that theyre also a bunch of pussies.

They whine and bitch, but when it comes to accomplishing anything, the Republicans snuff it.
..and the Dems dont do anything about it.

Get the people out to vote.

Vote your conscience.

Be proud of your country and get off your fat lazy asses and let the world know that you have a say in who leads you.
Dont like Bush?
Then put down the Doritos, put some pants on...snuff out the doobie....and go freakin vote!

Those who do not make their voice heard....do not have the right to complain about who leads the Government.

I bitch about Bush all the time.

I have voted in every election since I was 18.this is all that Im saying

A wise man once told me: dont worry about the top... start local and voice your opinions there - you have to take baby steps my friend

A wise man once told me: dont worry about the top... start local and voice your opinions there - you have to take baby steps my friendjah--subvert the democratic party at the local level and replace the yuppie scum and corporate maggots with the morally correct--McAuliffe must be thrown out with yesterdays trash

A wise man once told me: dont worry about the top... start local and voice your opinions there - you have to take baby steps my friendjah--subvert the democratic party at the local level and replace the yuppie scum and corporate maggots with the morally correct--McAuliffe must be thrown out with yesterdays trash

As much as this may shock you MKULTRA I agree with the idea of throwing out McAuliffe!

A wise man once told me: dont worry about the top... start local and voice your opinions there - you have to take baby steps my friendjah--subvert the democratic party at the local level and replace the yuppie scum and corporate maggots with the morally correct--McAuliffe must be thrown out with yesterdays trash

As much as this may shock you MKULTRA I agree with the idea of throwing out McAuliffe!when the hard right and the hard left agree you know that its gotta mean its a crisis